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JennP
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Posted by Pumpkin1
Let's be realistic here. The price of coffee is not going to double if employees are paid $15/hour. The price may increase by 25 cents and that 25 cents could help an employee make a living wage and get off government assistance. Do people realize that working 40 hours at $15/hr is only $600 week? Could you live off $600/week?
Not even $600 after taxes are taken out. Or insurance.
Why doesn't the government print more $100 bills and hand them out to everyone?
Are you being sarcastic or is that a serious question?
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by JennP
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Posted by Pumpkin1
Let's be realistic here. The price of coffee is not going to double if employees are paid $15/hour. The price may increase by 25 cents and that 25 cents could help an employee make a living wage and get off government assistance. Do people realize that working 40 hours at $15/hr is only $600 week? Could you live off $600/week?
Not even $600 after taxes are taken out. Or insurance.
Why doesn't the government print more $100 bills and hand them out to everyone?
Are you being sarcastic or is that a serious question?
Sarcastic.
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Posted by Pumpkin1
Let's be realistic here. The price of coffee is not going to double if employees are paid $15/hour. The price may increase by 25 cents and that 25 cents could help an employee make a living wage and get off government assistance. Do people realize that working 40 hours at $15/hr is only $600 week? Could you live off $600/week?
Not even $600 after taxes are taken out. Or insurance.
Why doesn't the government print more $100 bills and hand them out to everyone?
That would be neat 
But the general point I think some of us are making or asking (respectfully) is if you (general you) aren't for workers getting higher wages and you don't want them to get govt help, then what's the solution? Doesn't it have to be one or the other? Either they remain on the pay they do now and possibly qualify and receive help (which people despise) or they get a little more and maybe get off the assistance (but people don't want them to get a higher wage). You know what I'm saying? Which is it?
And with the cost of college these days, it would be great if kids could work at a fast food joint and get paid $15 and bank it for college and then go on to higher Ed.. Maybe helping offset the cost a bit. Then another kid comes along, gets the job, they put it towards school , and so on.
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| Posted 3/3/16 9:02 PM |
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JennP
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
For those who mentioned "free market", I am curious:
How much (if any) government regulation are you willing to tolerate?
Honest question, just curious.
The last time there was almost zero government intervention we had five year olds working in factories.
More recently, there is clear evidence that the massive deregulation of banking in the 80s and 90s played a major role in the recent recession.
And a million things in between.
Where do you draw the line?
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| Posted 3/3/16 9:06 PM |
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JennP
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by Jugglemom
Posted by Millie3
Posted by Jugglemom
I currently loathe all the leading candidates. Trump and Bernie receive most of my vitriol right now. I feel that they are two sides of the same coin. They both prey on people's ignorance in many ways. Trump for obvious reasons and Bernie because he loves to spout his "Big Bank" rehotoric which is very appealing to those that don't truly understand how it all works.
That being said I'm socially liberal (I.e abortion, gay marriage etc) but fiscally very conservative. My main priority is my wallet. Hate me if you must - I really do not care. My DH and I are in that "horrid" portion of the population dubbed the 1%. And we worked pretty hard to get there. Every time we see our paychecks and see that almost half has been taken away and that come every April we still owe - I find it infuriating. I worked 16 hour days for a long time to have so much taken away from me in the name of income equality. My family are minorities who came as immigrants in the 60's and were very successful through hard work and ingenuity. They were never given handouts and understood that hard work was important. And trust me when I say that within the community that I grew up not everyone feels that way. I see all the time how people that I know personally bilk the government and scam their way through life. It may be anecdotal but I don't feel like giving those people my money.
So what do I want from a candidate? Someone who Unites instead of divides. Someone who does not jump on the populist bandwagon of demonizing anyone with some cash or all companies. And most importantly someone that won't fleece me.
Yes it hurts to basically hand over half of what you earn.
Just curious, did you receive financial aid when you attended college?
No I did not receive any financial aid for college ( I attended a private university). I did, however, take out student loans for law school which I still pay.
I think the the problem is that there are a lot of great pie in the sky ideas but how are we paying for this? On the backs of people who are successful? I love the idea of being penalized for my success.
The fact is that life is hard. And working for your success and facing adversity builds character. On a micro scale, I could insulate my kids' lives so that they never have to struggle with anything but would that really benefit them?
I went to school in South Florida and attended a very racially and economically diverse school. There were always kids that messed around and didn't do their work etc and yeah right now the probably struggle. Meanwhile I know some who were very poor and lived in very bad neighborhoods who worked hard and are very successful now. I think we need, as a society, to stop always thinking of ourselves as victims and start being heroes in our own stories. People need to be empowered instead of being told that they cannot achieve anything without help. When people realize that they have the power to shape their own lives i believe we will see change. Instead, we currently have a government that sees themselves as our parent and us as children to be protected. That does not sit well with me.
Honest question: How do you think people should be "empowered"?
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| Posted 3/3/16 9:08 PM |
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Posted by Pumpkin1
Let's be realistic here. The price of coffee is not going to double if employees are paid $15/hour. The price may increase by 25 cents and that 25 cents could help an employee make a living wage and get off government assistance. Do people realize that working 40 hours at $15/hr is only $600 week? Could you live off $600/week?
Not even $600 after taxes are taken out. Or insurance.
Why doesn't the government print more $100 bills and hand them out to everyone?
That would be neat
But the general point I think some of us are making or asking (respectfully) is if you (general you) aren't for workers getting higher wages and you don't want them to get govt help, then what's the solution? Doesn't it have to be one or the other? Either they remain on the pay they do now and possibly qualify and receive help (which people despise) or they get a little more and maybe get off the assistance (but people don't want them to get a higher wage). You know what I'm saying? Which is it?
And with the cost of college these days, it would be great if kids could work at a fast food joint and get paid $15 and bank it for college and then go on to higher Ed.. Maybe helping offset the cost a bit. Then another kid comes along, gets the job, they put it towards school , and so on.
I don't think people are opposed to government assistance, I think they are opposed to the abuse that goes on.
The cost of college these days is a joke and that needs to be addressed. Instead of raising the minimum wage to pay for college, let's take a look how to decrease the cost of college.
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by Pumpkin1
Let's be realistic here. The price of coffee is not going to double if employees are paid $15/hour. The price may increase by 25 cents and that 25 cents could help an employee make a living wage and get off government assistance. Do people realize that working 40 hours at $15/hr is only $600 week? Could you live off $600/week?
$600/week is over 30k a year. Yes, I could and have lived off of that.
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by evrythng4areason
Posted by Pumpkin1
Let's be realistic here. The price of coffee is not going to double if employees are paid $15/hour. The price may increase by 25 cents and that 25 cents could help an employee make a living wage and get off government assistance. Do people realize that working 40 hours at $15/hr is only $600 week? Could you live off $600/week?
$600/week is over 30k a year. Yes, I could and have lived off of that.
I'm impressed, I could not support my family of 5 on that income.
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by evrythng4areason
Posted by Pumpkin1
Let's be realistic here. The price of coffee is not going to double if employees are paid $15/hour. The price may increase by 25 cents and that 25 cents could help an employee make a living wage and get off government assistance. Do people realize that working 40 hours at $15/hr is only $600 week? Could you live off $600/week?
$600/week is over 30k a year. Yes, I could and have lived off of that.
I'm impressed, I could not support my family of 5 on that income.
No one told you to have a family of 5 on that income. Make better choices.
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PhyllisNJoe
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by evrythng4areason
Posted by Pumpkin1
Let's be realistic here. The price of coffee is not going to double if employees are paid $15/hour. The price may increase by 25 cents and that 25 cents could help an employee make a living wage and get off government assistance. Do people realize that working 40 hours at $15/hr is only $600 week? Could you live off $600/week?
$600/week is over 30k a year. Yes, I could and have lived off of that.
I did as well.
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
In response to small businesses and $15 min wage. I have discussed this with DH in length, and if this is to happen, we will have no choice but to cut our staff significantly. It may not hurt big business - McDonald's or other large chains as much - raising cost of Big Mac or coffee by a crazy amount, but small businesses? It'll definitely be a problem.
I know I've said it before and got bombarded with a lot of people denying this exists but people cheat the system every single day. So much so that the people who NEED it are getting turned away. I know too many people collecting government funding and free health insurance and these people make more money then I do. Off the books, not married on purpose, etc. Then there are senior citizens who have done the work, paid their dues and get shit. I have a close family member who only recieves $1,000 a month in SS and is offered $15 a month in food stamps.
The system is a shit show. It is made for people who know how to cheat it. I am not in favor of giving even more bc as it is, it's not being put to good use.
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
In response to small businesses and $15 min wage. I have discussed this with DH in length, and if this is to happen, we will have no choice but to cut our staff significantly. It may not hurt big business - McDonald's or other large chains as much - raising cost of Big Mac or coffee by a crazy amount, but small businesses? It'll definitely be a problem.
I know I've said it before and got bombarded with a lot of people denying this exists but people cheat the system every single day. So much so that the people who NEED it are getting turned away. I know too many people collecting government funding and free health insurance and these people make more money then I do. Off the books, not married on purpose, etc. Then there are senior citizens who have done the work, paid their dues and get shit. I have a close family member who only recieves $1,000 a month in SS and is offered $15 a month in food stamps.
The system is a shit show. It is made for people who know how to cheat it. I am not in favor of giving even more bc as it is, it's not being put to good use.
Perfectly said.
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| Posted 3/3/16 9:36 PM |
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by evrythng4areason
Posted by Pumpkin1
Let's be realistic here. The price of coffee is not going to double if employees are paid $15/hour. The price may increase by 25 cents and that 25 cents could help an employee make a living wage and get off government assistance. Do people realize that working 40 hours at $15/hr is only $600 week? Could you live off $600/week?
$600/week is over 30k a year. Yes, I could and have lived off of that.
I'm impressed, I could not support my family of 5 on that income.
No one told you to have a family of 5 on that income. Make better choices.
The poster did not say she had a family of 5 at while only making $30,000 a year.
And even in the poster did, you have no idea what the circumstances were. Maybe the family was making more money and a job was lost. Maybe it was a 2 parent family that went down to 1 for any number of reasons. Maybe they took in a decreased sibling's kid. There are a million things that could have happened that are not connected in any way to a "choice."
Before I got pregnant with my first daughter, my husband and I went to a banker for a financial review, opened a savings account, designed a spreadsheet, bought a home, and did everything we could think of to prepare financially. Then 2008 happened. My company folded (when I was three months pregnant) and my husband's hours were cut in half. We made it (me going on unemployment, him working several jobs), but barely. Will you judge us too for our choices?
It is this kind of hateful and judgmental thinking that is common during election season, designed to make Americans who don't vote/think like us our enemy.
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| Posted 3/3/16 9:48 PM |
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JennP
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
In response to small businesses and $15 min wage. I have discussed this with DH in length, and if this is to happen, we will have no choice but to cut our staff significantly. It may not hurt big business - McDonald's or other large chains as much - raising cost of Big Mac or coffee by a crazy amount, but small businesses? It'll definitely be a problem.
I know I've said it before and got bombarded with a lot of people denying this exists but people cheat the system every single day. So much so that the people who NEED it are getting turned away. I know too many people collecting government funding and free health insurance and these people make more money then I do. Off the books, not married on purpose, etc. Then there are senior citizens who have done the work, paid their dues and get shit. I have a close family member who only recieves $1,000 a month in SS and is offered $15 a month in food stamps.
The system is a shit show. It is made for people who know how to cheat it. I am not in favor of giving even more bc as it is, it's not being put to good use.
I have an honest clarifying question here if you would indulge me.
You said before you are in the 1% correct? If not, you are comfortable, correct?
And you know people collecting "government funding" who make more than you?
Could you clarify?
I just don't want to assume or misinterpret anything before I respond to that.
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| Posted 3/3/16 9:51 PM |
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by LeeCR7
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by evrythng4areason
Posted by Pumpkin1
Let's be realistic here. The price of coffee is not going to double if employees are paid $15/hour. The price may increase by 25 cents and that 25 cents could help an employee make a living wage and get off government assistance. Do people realize that working 40 hours at $15/hr is only $600 week? Could you live off $600/week?
$600/week is over 30k a year. Yes, I could and have lived off of that.
I'm impressed, I could not support my family of 5 on that income.
No one told you to have a family of 5 on that income. Make better choices.
The poster did not say she had a family of 5 at while only making $30,000 a year.
And even in the poster did, you have no idea what the circumstances were. Maybe the family was making more money and a job was lost. Maybe it was a 2 parent family that went down to 1 for any number of reasons. Maybe they took in a decreased sibling's kid. There are a million things that could have happened that are not connected in any way to a "choice."
Before I got pregnant with my first daughter, my husband and I went to a banker for a financial review, opened a savings account, designed a spreadsheet, bought a home, and did everything we could think of to prepare financially. Then 2008 happened. My company folded (when I was three months pregnant) and my husband's hours were cut in half. We made it (me going on unemployment, him working several jobs), but barely. Will you judge us too for our choices?
It is this kind of hateful and judgmental thinking that is common during election season, designed to make Americans who don't vote/think like us our enemy.
I know she didn't say her family of 5 was surviving on $30k and my comment wasn't really directed at her. My comment was directed towards the people that make poor choices and then complain about the situation they have. Obviously bad things happen to good people and it sucks, but as you pointed out about yourself, those are the people that do what they need to do to survive. Why would I judge you for taking unemployment (something you and your employer pay into) and your husband working several jobs?
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LeeCR7
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by LeeCR7
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by evrythng4areason
Posted by Pumpkin1
Let's be realistic here. The price of coffee is not going to double if employees are paid $15/hour. The price may increase by 25 cents and that 25 cents could help an employee make a living wage and get off government assistance. Do people realize that working 40 hours at $15/hr is only $600 week? Could you live off $600/week?
$600/week is over 30k a year. Yes, I could and have lived off of that.
I'm impressed, I could not support my family of 5 on that income.
No one told you to have a family of 5 on that income. Make better choices.
The poster did not say she had a family of 5 at while only making $30,000 a year.
And even in the poster did, you have no idea what the circumstances were. Maybe the family was making more money and a job was lost. Maybe it was a 2 parent family that went down to 1 for any number of reasons. Maybe they took in a decreased sibling's kid. There are a million things that could have happened that are not connected in any way to a "choice."
Before I got pregnant with my first daughter, my husband and I went to a banker for a financial review, opened a savings account, designed a spreadsheet, bought a home, and did everything we could think of to prepare financially. Then 2008 happened. My company folded (when I was three months pregnant) and my husband's hours were cut in half. We made it (me going on unemployment, him working several jobs), but barely. Will you judge us too for our choices?
It is this kind of hateful and judgmental thinking that is common during election season, designed to make Americans who don't vote/think like us our enemy.
I know she didn't say her family of 5 was surviving on $30k and my comment wasn't really directed at her. My comment was directed towards the people that make poor choices and then complain about the situation they have. Obviously bad things happen to good people and it sucks, but as you pointed out about yourself, those are the people that do what they need to do to survive. Why would I judge you for taking unemployment (something you and your employer pay into) and your husband working several jobs?
I didn't think you would, but that is because I explained my situation, which you wouldn't have known. From the outside, people would have just seen a young couple, one pregnant and not working, and could have judged us for that.
My point is that you have no idea what the true circumstances are when looking at other people's lives. So to make a broad statement like "Make better choices" is unfair when all you know about the situation is salary and number of children.
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by LeeCR7
Posted by SlurpeeDad
I know she didn't say her family of 5 was surviving on $30k and my comment wasn't really directed at her. My comment was directed towards the people that make poor choices and then complain about the situation they have. Obviously bad things happen to good people and it sucks, but as you pointed out about yourself, those are the people that do what they need to do to survive. Why would I judge you for taking unemployment (something you and your employer pay into) and your husband working several jobs?
I didn't think you would, but that is because I explained my situation, which you wouldn't have known. From the outside, people would have just seen a young couple, one pregnant and not working, and could have judged us for that.
My point is that you have no idea what the true circumstances are when looking at other people's lives. So to make a broad statement like "Make better choices" is unfair when all you know about the situation is salary and number of children.
Fair enough. The question initially asked was could you (one person) survive on 30k a year. She spun it into a family of 5, that was really why I took a jab.
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PhyllisNJoe
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by JennP
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
In response to small businesses and $15 min wage. I have discussed this with DH in length, and if this is to happen, we will have no choice but to cut our staff significantly. It may not hurt big business - McDonald's or other large chains as much - raising cost of Big Mac or coffee by a crazy amount, but small businesses? It'll definitely be a problem.
I know I've said it before and got bombarded with a lot of people denying this exists but people cheat the system every single day. So much so that the people who NEED it are getting turned away. I know too many people collecting government funding and free health insurance and these people make more money then I do. Off the books, not married on purpose, etc. Then there are senior citizens who have done the work, paid their dues and get shit. I have a close family member who only recieves $1,000 a month in SS and is offered $15 a month in food stamps.
The system is a shit show. It is made for people who know how to cheat it. I am not in favor of giving even more bc as it is, it's not being put to good use.
I have an honest clarifying question here if you would indulge me.
You said before you are in the 1% correct? If not, you are comfortable, correct?
And you know people collecting "government funding" who make more than you?
Could you clarify?
I just don't want to assume or misinterpret anything before I respond to that.
I am comfortable with my salary based on hours worked and convenience of my job. Without saying my personal income (not household which would include my husbands salary) I know of 2 people, close to my life, who take home more money then I do (a lot of cash/off the books) who receive food stamps, free healthcare, free trade school, and at Different times welfare. That's just who I still keep in contact with. My old neighborhood was swarming with crooks who lived off the system bc they could.
ETA: these people know what they are doing and have said on numerous occasions "if I can get it, why not?"
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Pumpkin1
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by LeeCR7
Posted by SlurpeeDad
I know she didn't say her family of 5 was surviving on $30k and my comment wasn't really directed at her. My comment was directed towards the people that make poor choices and then complain about the situation they have. Obviously bad things happen to good people and it sucks, but as you pointed out about yourself, those are the people that do what they need to do to survive. Why would I judge you for taking unemployment (something you and your employer pay into) and your husband working several jobs?
I didn't think you would, but that is because I explained my situation, which you wouldn't have known. From the outside, people would have just seen a young couple, one pregnant and not working, and could have judged us for that.
My point is that you have no idea what the true circumstances are when looking at other people's lives. So to make a broad statement like "Make better choices" is unfair when all you know about the situation is salary and number of children.
Fair enough. The question initially asked was could you (one person) survive on 30k a year. She spun it into a family of 5, that was really why I took a jab.
Of course you took a jab, you live up to your reputation. Typical male, come on to a mostly women website and take jabs at women without reading the actual post. But, its your typical behavior. Bravo, Mr. Big Stuff!
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by evrythng4areason
Posted by Pumpkin1
Let's be realistic here. The price of coffee is not going to double if employees are paid $15/hour. The price may increase by 25 cents and that 25 cents could help an employee make a living wage and get off government assistance. Do people realize that working 40 hours at $15/hr is only $600 week? Could you live off $600/week?
$600/week is over 30k a year. Yes, I could and have lived off of that.
I'm impressed, I could not support my family of 5 on that income.
No one told you to have a family of 5 on that income. Make better choices.
And, your typical MO, you make personal attacks. Trolling at its finest.
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Kitten1929
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A different spin on presidential candidates...
Message edited 3/4/2016 8:00:38 AM.
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by LeeCR7
Posted by SlurpeeDad
I know she didn't say her family of 5 was surviving on $30k and my comment wasn't really directed at her. My comment was directed towards the people that make poor choices and then complain about the situation they have. Obviously bad things happen to good people and it sucks, but as you pointed out about yourself, those are the people that do what they need to do to survive. Why would I judge you for taking unemployment (something you and your employer pay into) and your husband working several jobs?
I didn't think you would, but that is because I explained my situation, which you wouldn't have known. From the outside, people would have just seen a young couple, one pregnant and not working, and could have judged us for that.
My point is that you have no idea what the true circumstances are when looking at other people's lives. So to make a broad statement like "Make better choices" is unfair when all you know about the situation is salary and number of children.
Fair enough. The question initially asked was could you (one person) survive on 30k a year. She spun it into a family of 5, that was really why I took a jab.
Of course you took a jab, you live up to your reputation. Typical male, come on to a mostly women website and take jabs at women without reading the actual post. But, its your typical behavior. Bravo, Mr. Big Stuff!
I read the entire post. Don't make this a male thing, you women have been taking awful jabs at each other.
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Kitten1929
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A different spin on presidential candidates...
Look, I get where some of you are coming from. You worked really hard to earn a good income and you don't want it eaten up in taxes or social programs for the less fortunate. I just think it's important to understand the how or why; for example, if you lived at home, had family financial support, etc, and to recognize that that is oftentimes not the reality for many people. So I don't think it's fair to condemn people to a bleak existence because they weren't born the right color, or with the right finances, or with the right advantages.
If healthcare and higher education is not a right, then that would be a classist society in which only the rich or upwardly mobile have access to the tools necessary to live a successful life. And we had a society like that for thousands of years. It leaves no room for betterment, and I find that so troubling.
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| Posted 3/4/16 8:16 AM |
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PhyllisNJoe
My Box Is Broken
Member since 6/11 9145 total posts
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by Kitten1929
Look, I get where some of you are coming from. You worked really hard to earn a good income and you don't want it eaten up in taxes or social programs for the less fortunate. I just think it's important to understand the how or why; for example, if you lived at home, had family financial support, etc, and to recognize that that is oftentimes not the reality for many people. So I don't think it's fair to condemn people to a bleak existence because they weren't born the right color, or with the right finances, or with the right advantages.
If healthcare and higher education is not a right, then that would be a classist society in which only the rich or upwardly mobile have access to the tools necessary to live a successful life. And we had a society like that for thousands of years. It leaves no room for betterment, and I find that so troubling.
I can't understand why you just seem to not get the fact that not everyone has had the support you mentioned OR support from the government and yet we still made it. Why is that hard for you? Are you going to say because of my skin color? Or the fact that I worked for $5.50 an hour, 14-16 hrs a day, wore clothes from the thrift shop that would be suitable office attire and slept on the floor of a basement apartment for 2 years until I could save enough to get my mother and I a suitable apartment. It took me 5 years of very long days and nights, struggling to learn a world I didn't understand (corporate world-my family was all blue collar) a Young WOMAN in a mans world, to work my way up to a better salary, better benefits and better lifestyle all around.
I did that.
My mother didn't
The government didn't
All me. And I think that's why I am able to look around and say WORK FOR IT. Show a sign of trying.
What I do agree with government funding for:
1. If a student is getting good grades. Doesn't have to be straight As, but let's be honest - D students (without an obvious learning disability - and no, being poor and hungry isn't a disability bc I was also that growing up and was an honor student ) they should have HELP paying for higher education. Not a FREE RIDE. free ride reaches Zero appreciation for hard work in my eyes.
2. Woman with children who need assistance after husband leaves, she leaves bad marriage, etc. help her get back on her feet. She was doing right by her kids and trying to help them learn what a good life is like. Yes. She needs help. Schooling, some $$ to get by while she learns. If she's flunking out, take it all away.
3. Senior citizens. This is a soft spot for me. The elderly are the least cared for in our society. I look at the elderly the same way I would look at a baby. They need guidance. Thy need help bc a lot are sick and frail and cannot help themselves.
4. Veterans. No explanation needed.
Able bodied people who choose to not push themselves further are not my responsibility. Or they will be if sanders has any shot
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| Posted 3/4/16 8:29 AM |
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Pumpkin1
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Re: A different spin on presidential candidates...
Posted by SlurpeeDad
I read the entire post. Don't make this a male thing, you women have been taking awful jabs at each other.
Clearly, you did not read it. Like I tell me kids, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
I appreciate the differences of opinion and love that many women here have really dug into the issues and set forth their positions based on how it affects them. We should vote based on our beliefs and what we think we benefit our families best. Knowledge is power and we clearly have powerful women on here. You, on the other hand, you take cheap shots by preaching "make better choices." It's not helpful.
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| Posted 3/4/16 8:35 AM |
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