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juanvi
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could it be possible to O right after

AF? I got EWCM like a day after AF was finished. SO we BDed just in case. but is that normal? or possible even?? Thanks!!! and yeah and good luck and Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon to all of you!!

Posted 11/18/06 9:54 AM
 
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Re: could it be possible to O right after

it is certainly possible to ovulate at any point in your cycle, even during AF (although that is pretty rare). if you're having fertile CM, i say BD away! i would also consider taking an OPK to see if you're positive.

Posted 11/18/06 10:30 AM
 

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Re: could it be possible to O right after

No its not normal. Normal is ovulating between 12-16 days after AF.

I would keep checking, its very unlikley, so you may have just had EWCM at a different time then normal...thats possible.

Posted 11/18/06 11:59 AM
 

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Re: could it be possible to O right after

i really wouldn't say that it's not "normal" - it's just not as common to ovulate right after menstruation as it is to ovulate 12-16 days after. but there are some instances when ovulation very soon after menstruation would be considered well within normal limits- for example, in a woman with short cycles and/or relatively long menstrual periods. i am not an ob/gyn, but in just the short time that i spent on that service in medical school (6 weeks - that was enough catching babies for me Chat Icon Chat Icon ), i treated a good handful of women that became pregnant during or just after their AF.

also, you may get EWCM several days before you actually ovulate, so there is definitely a chance (depending on what your cycle) that your EWCM today marks the beginning of your fertile period this month. i would try to correlate the mucous with OPKs, though, because this could just be a patch of fertile cervical fluid within your cycle that is not associated with ovulation...

Posted 11/18/06 1:16 PM
 

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Re: could it be possible to O right after

Posted by alexlynn7

i really wouldn't say that it's not "normal" - it's just not as common to ovulate right after menstruation as it is to ovulate 12-16 days after. but there are some instances when ovulation very soon after menstruation would be considered well within normal limits- for example, in a woman with short cycles and/or relatively long menstrual periods.




Its NOT normal. That short of a cycle is a problem and theres a medical reason behind it. A "normal" cycle is 28 days, most women will not have 28 day cycles...meaning most women are not normal ....This much is true.

People do get PG early and late in their cycles...keep in mind this is VERY VERY rare...most of the instances are actually miscalculations on the womens part of when they ovulated.

If you ovulate a few days after AF, your body is not ready for a pregnancy.

Your uterus has not had enough time to prepare and rid itself of last months cycle. Your hormones are not ready and you are not producing enough progeterone or estrogen to support a pregnancy.....

If you ovulate then, its a sign of a hormonal imbalance that is creating your ovulating too soon.

Ovulating too late is also a cause for concern, there are many reasons there, but pregnancy is more likely to occur with a late ovulator because the pregnancy can be supported with rising hormone levels.

Hope that helps a little. Chat Icon

Posted 11/18/06 6:23 PM
 

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Re: could it be possible to O right after

Posted by dm24angel


Its NOT normal. That short of a cycle is a problem and theres a medical reason behind it.



i disagree... but i guess we can go back and forth all day about what constitutes "normal" and wouldn't really get anywhere... i am basing my answer on my medical education and on my research of the medical literature. below i've posted one journal article abstract that i've come across. it illustrates the variability of both length of the menstrual cycle (as short as 22 days), and of the fertile window. notice that only 25% of the women had all of their fertile days between days 10-17 - meaning that at least some of those fertile days come before day 10 in healthy, regularly cycling women.

ETA: if anyone is interested in the full text of the article, FM me and i can email it to you Chat Icon

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Posted 11/18/06 10:48 PM
 

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Re: could it be possible to O right after

Variability in the phases of the menstrual cycle.
Fehring RJ, Schneider M, Raviele K.
J Obstet Gynecol Neonatal Nurs. 2006 May-Jun;35(3):376-84.

OBJECTIVE: To determine variability in the phases of the menstrual cycle among healthy, regularly cycling women. DESIGN: A prospective descriptive study of a new data set with biological markers to estimate parameters of the menstrual cycles. PARTICIPANTS: One hundred forty one healthy women (mean age 29 years) who monitored 3 to 13 menstrual cycles with an electronic fertility monitor and produced 1,060 usable cycles of data. MEASURES AND OUTCOMES: Variability in the length of the menstrual cycle and of the follicular, fertile, and luteal phases, and menses. The estimated day of ovulation and end of the fertile phase was the peak fertility reading on the monitor (i.e., the urinary luteinizing hormone surge). RESULTS: Mean total length was 28.9 days (SD = 3.4) with 95% of the cycles between 22 and 36 days. Intracycle variability of greater than 7 days was observed in 42.5% of the women. Ninety-five percent of the cycles had all 6 days of fertile phase between days 4 and 23, but only 25% of participants had all days of the fertile phase between days 10 and 17. CONCLUSIONS: Among regularly cycling women, there is considerable normal variability in the phases of the menstrual cycle. The follicular phase contributes most to this variability.

Posted 11/18/06 10:50 PM
 

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Re: could it be possible to O right after

I wont argue either, but based on the medical info, that I doubt anyone would want to read, it proves that this "Example" is not normal.

If she ovulated the day after AF , then her cycle was less then 22 days and thus "abnormal" ( according to YOUR study) .

Mean total
length ( mean meaning the AVERAGE was 28 days)

Not sure why you are making it seem like this is normal.

This is something, if true NEEDS to be checked out by a DR. I stand by that.

Posted 11/19/06 12:55 PM
 

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Re: could it be possible to O right after

Posted by dm24angel

I wont argue either, but based on the medical info, that I doubt anyone would want to read, it proves that this "Example" is not normal.

If she ovulated the day after AF , then her cycle was less then 22 days and thus "abnormal" ( according to YOUR study) .



maybe i was totally off-base thinking that non-physicians might want to read medical literature, but i thought i would offer to share it since i have free access to it. as it happens, several women have asked me for it, so i'm glad i put it out there.

nowhere in this thread did the original poster tell us how long her menses are, and how long her luteal phase is. you would need both of these pieces of info to determine the length of her cycle.

for example, let's say she ovulated on the day after AF ended, but her menses last 6 days. ovulation would therefore occur on day 7. if her luteal phase is 15-16 days, then her cycle would be 22-23 days long.

my point is, in response to the poster's original question - yes, it is definitely possible to ovulate soon after AF ends, although this is atypical. and if you do ovulate soon after AF, depending on your other cycle parameters, there is a good chance that your menstrual cycle falls within normal limits for healthy, regularly cycling women.

i agree that the original poster should let her doctor know what her menstrual cycle is like - but i think that every woman who is ttc should be in touch with their docs about this no matter what the menstrual cycle pattern is. if the poster began having trouble conceiving, then that would be grounds for a more extensive infertility workup.

Posted 11/19/06 2:03 PM
 

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Re: could it be possible to O right after

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Posted by alexlynn7

i really wouldn't say that it's not "normal" - it's just not as common to ovulate right after menstruation as it is to ovulate 12-16 days after. but there are some instances when ovulation very soon after menstruation would be considered well within normal limits- for example, in a woman with short cycles and/or relatively long menstrual periods.




Its NOT normal. That short of a cycle is a problem and theres a medical reason behind it. A "normal" cycle is 28 days, most women will not have 28 day cycles...meaning most women are not normal ....This much is true.

People do get PG early and late in their cycles...keep in mind this is VERY VERY rare...most of the instances are actually miscalculations on the womens part of when they ovulated.

If you ovulate a few days after AF, your body is not ready for a pregnancy.

Your uterus has not had enough time to prepare and rid itself of last months cycle. Your hormones are not ready and you are not producing enough progeterone or estrogen to support a pregnancy.....

If you ovulate then, its a sign of a hormonal imbalance that is creating your ovulating too soon.

Ovulating too late is also a cause for concern, there are many reasons there, but pregnancy is more likely to occur with a late ovulator because the pregnancy can be supported with rising hormone levels.

Hope that helps a little. Chat Icon



Wow Donna....thanks for the info...

I am actually really glad to know this...as i thought i might have O'ed early last month as well...



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Posted 11/19/06 2:54 PM
 

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Re: could it be possible to O right after

Posted by alexlynn7

my point is, in response to the poster's original question - yes, it is definitely possible to ovulate soon after AF ends, although this is atypical. and if you do ovulate soon after AF, depending on your other cycle parameters, there is a good chance that your menstrual cycle falls within normal limits for healthy, regularly cycling women.




THIS is the only point Im arguing...It is NOT possible by any "human" means to get pregnant if you ovulate the day after your AF ends. It is physically impossible as the body can not clearly be prepared to sustain a pregnancy.

This is pretty basic information here.

Most women want the facts laid out in Laymans terms...and there it is.

I argued with you the above because I didnt want people to believe that PG was a possibility based SOLEY on ovulating the day after AF....

If Pregnancy happened it was not a "true" AF and was some other type of bleeding.


Again...very basic info here....

im not going to contribute anymore since the difference in opinion is helping NO ONE...and help is all Im trying to do.

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Posted 11/19/06 2:59 PM
 

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Re: could it be possible to O right after

Normal meaning the average -- I agree with Donna and yes have done tons of research -- you don't go through IVFs without reading and rereading all the info out there.

If you ovulate the day after AF your egg would be placed into a basically barren uterus as the lining is shed during menses. Baby needs something to "grab on to" and the hormones are not yet producing the lining.

Can it happen? Yes. Is ti "normal"? No. That doesn't mean the person is a weirdo, just that they need to speak with their Dr. about this abnormal occurance.

Posted 11/19/06 3:43 PM
 

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Re: could it be possible to O right after

Posted by karacg

If you ovulate the day after AF your egg would be placed into a basically barren uterus as the lining is shed during menses. Baby needs something to "grab on to" and the hormones are not yet producing the lining.




Yup!

Posted 11/19/06 5:00 PM
 

juanvi
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Re: could it be possible to O right after

Thank you very much to all of you for all the information. I just hope, and I'm not sure I definitely O'd right after AF but the EWCM (sorry TMI) made me think it could have been, I hope that if by some miracle of god I did get pg. everything will be OK. I hope that for anyone is a position like that. I happen to simply "think" backed up with no research that it could be possible. That anything could be possible and sometimes research doesn't apply to everyone for every situation. I know some stories of miracle babies and whomever experienced such a miracle is, to me, extremely lucky, not someone who is not "normal".

Posted 11/19/06 8:03 PM
 
 
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