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nov04libride
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Catholicism question...
My MIL was explaining to me that babies should be christened early because if they happen to die before being christened they will go to Hell.
I'm not Catholic, but why would babies who die after, say 2 weeks, go to Hell when they haven't even lived yet? Maybe they haven't been formally introduced to the religion as they would in the christening, but why would anyone believe innocent babies will go to Hell?
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Elbee
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Re: Catholicism question...
Catholicism teaches that babies don't go to hell, they are stuck in limbo for eternity.
Do I believe it? Nope, they are innocent children that go to heaven, but ask a ton of old people and they believe it 100%.
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| Posted 8/16/05 10:15 AM |
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Leeners
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Re: Catholicism question...
According to doctrine, you're born with original sin. The purpose of a christening is to cleanse you of that sin so you start with a clean slate. If you are not cleansed of that sin you cannot go to Heaven. It's basically the equivalent of getting your last rites before you die - to absolve you of any sin so you can go to Heaven.
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| Posted 8/16/05 10:17 AM |
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stayandjohn
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Re: Catholicism question...
When babies are baptised they are washed away with the "Original Sin" they were born with, not to say that a 2 week old has sinned but the church teaches that all of us are born with it. When I was PG with my son I told my priest that I wanted him baptised when he was 3-4 weeks old and my priest told me it was not necessary to do it that early anymore. May I ask if your MIL is Italian? I am and I know that my Great Grandmother used to say the same thing, its just a superstition. I did however have John baptised at 4 weeks old
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| Posted 8/16/05 10:18 AM |
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Christine
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Re: Catholicism question...
It something like this...
It stems from everyone being born with original sin...that Adam broke God's law in the garden of eden and everyone being a decendent of Adam it gets passed on.
I was taught that unbatized babies go to limbo, not hell.
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| Posted 8/16/05 10:18 AM |
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I dont really believe in religion in all aspects but the theory is that we are born with original sin from Adam and Eve and baptism washes away the sin.
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LadyMaravilla
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Re: Catholicism question...
Posted by Elbee
Catholicism teaches that babies don't go to hell, they are stuck in limbo for eternity.
Do I believe it? Nope, they are innocent children that go to heaven, but ask a ton of old people and they believe it 100%.
Lisa you crack me up! 
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Yes, that's why my friend was baptised in the hospital because she was premature & only 2 pounds when she was born. 
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Re: Catholicism question...
Posted by Elbee
Catholicism teaches that babies don't go to hell, they are stuck in limbo for eternity.
Do I believe it? Nope, they are innocent children that go to heaven, but ask a ton of old people and they believe it 100%.
They used to teach this, but I believe the limbo thing is no longer Catholic doctrine.
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Leeners
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Yes, that's why my friend was baptised in the hospital because she was premature & only 2 pounds when she was born.
I was too. I had an immature esophagus and they didn't think I was going to make it so I got my baptism and last rites in the same ceremony at the hospital. You know, for all the sins I committed in the three minutes between the baptism and the last rites
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Leeners
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Re: Catholicism question...
Posted by Eireann
Posted by Elbee
Catholicism teaches that babies don't go to hell, they are stuck in limbo for eternity.
Do I believe it? Nope, they are innocent children that go to heaven, but ask a ton of old people and they believe it 100%.
They used to teach this, but I believe the limbo thing is no longer Catholic doctrine.
There's no more pergatory? 
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Elbee
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Lisa you crack me up!
My 83 year old neighbor was so upset when my nephew wasn't baptised soon after he was born and they waited 3-months. He was livid and praying for his soul every morning. Those old italians are strict with their beliefs!
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| Posted 8/16/05 10:25 AM |
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LadyMaravilla
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Well according to the Bible the child is born w/ no sin. In the book of Matthew reads that all the children belong to Christ. Sin did originate from Adam & Eve but when a child is born he has no original sin because a child is innocent. The sin is committed when a child is born into a sinning world, but if a child were to die before being baptized he/she will go to heaven because he is a child of God.
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| Posted 8/16/05 10:29 AM |
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Janice
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Re: Catholicism question...
my mother flips if someone waits over a month to baptize. I was done at 3 weeks, so were my siblings. I think all babies go to heaven regardless
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Leeners
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Posted by LadyLainez
Well according to the Bible the child is born w/ no sin. In the book of Matthew reads that all the children belong to Christ. Sin did originate from Adam & Eve but when a child is born he has no original sin because a child is innocent. The sin is committed when a child is born into a sinning world, but if a child were to die before being baptized he/she will go to heaven because he is a child of God.
That's not true for Catholic doctrine. When you are born, you're born with original sin. (Not saying I agree with it, just saying that's the Church's stance on this). Otherwise, there would be no point in baptisizing a child.
Janice, Lisa - my mom bugs out too when people wait. I think the latest of us happened at 4 weeks and that was me because I was so sick. I think my sister was like a week and a half old! Like who wants to be planning a christening when you just had a baby
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Re: Catholicism question...
Some people believe in a blessing at the hospital. This way the baby is "protected" while it waits to be baptized. Now, you have to remember, that most babies who were born didn't live through infancy due to diseases when Catholicism and its doctrine were being developed.
However, over time doctrine has changed as we have become a more advanced medically.
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| Posted 8/16/05 10:32 AM |
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nov04libride
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Re: Catholicism question...
Posted by stayandjohn
May I ask if your MIL is Italian? I am and I know that my Great Grandmother used to say the same thing, its just a superstition. I did however have John baptised at 4 weeks old
Definitely not 100% Italian, they are a mix...But I could see it just being a superstition. Just seems like a sad theory that all babies are born sinners.
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LadyMaravilla
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Re: Catholicism question...
That's not true for Catholic doctrine. When you are born, you're born with original sin. (Not saying I agree with it, just saying that's the Church's stance on this). Otherwise, there would be no point in baptisizing a child.
Right, that is not what the Catholic doctrine beleives. I am basing it on my faith and on what the Bible reads which is what I beleive. I made the choice to baptize my daughter when she was 1. because my husband and I felt it was the right time.
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Kirsten
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I believe that if you are going to bury the baby in a catholic cemetery in order to put the babies name on the tomb stone the baby must have been baptized and therefore the church will baptize the baby if it has already past on.
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Re: Catholicism question...
Limbo doesn't exist anymore in the Roman Catholic Church... Dh and I found that kind of funny since we both had 12 years of Catholic Education that said it did..
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| Posted 8/16/05 10:57 AM |
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nov04libride
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Re: Catholicism question...
Posted by -Laurie-
Limbo doesn't exist anymore in the Roman Catholic Church... Dh and I found that kind of funny since we both had 12 years of Catholic Education that said it did..
So if limbo doesn't exist they go to Hell then?
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MrsJ
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Re: Catholicism question...
Things like this are one of the reasons why Im not a big fan of the Catholic religion...although I went to Catholic school, made all the sacraments, etc....
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JenniferEver
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I don't believe it. babies are innocent.
I couldn't be baptised until I was almost a year old. I'm sure my Italian grandmothers were flipping out!
ETA: A lot of these Catholic doctrines were formed at a time when the church was trying to gain power. Scaring people into baptising their children is one way to make sure they get to church and do their sacraments (and give $$, and follow the rules, etc). I try to look at everything in context. These rues weren't made today and they weren't made by God, and if they were, they've been corrupted by a several thousand year game of telephone. I just can't believe that a merciful god woudn't bring an innocent baby into heaven. Didn't Jesus die so we'd ALL have salvation?
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Re: Catholicism question...
Posted by nov04libride
Posted by -Laurie-
Limbo doesn't exist anymore in the Roman Catholic Church... Dh and I found that kind of funny since we both had 12 years of Catholic Education that said it did..
So if limbo doesn't exist they go to Hell then?
Well, since I am a cafeteria Catholic, I believe they all go to heaven.
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| Posted 8/16/05 11:24 AM |
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Tah-wee-ZAH
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The "original sin" is believed to not come from anything the baby has done. The original sin they are referring to is the lust that existed between the parents that led to the conception of the child. It is believed that the child is a byproduct of their sin.
Yes, it does stem from the Adam and Eve temptation story (stem.... no pun intended, get it apple... ok, whatever).
On a related note, most Catholics think the feats of the Immaculate Conception commemorates Mary conceiving Jesus. It does not. It refers to Anne (the mother of Mary) conceiving Mary. The Church teaches that in order for the mother of Jesus to be a pure enough woman to carry the son of God then she had to be conceived without sin.
BTW: I now attend Unitarian services. I'm a "recovering Catholic" and no I don't believe in the above. It was the doctrine I was taught in high school theology class.
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