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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
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I don’t think it has anything to do with Christmas. This is a substitute teacher who went out of her way to upset small children. Why would anyone purposely upset another person, especially a child? I do think there are psychotic tendencies in a person who intends to cause harm or distress to another person.
If she had slipped and alluded to the fact that Santa wasn’t real, fine. But she just kept digging the hole deeper and deeper. I’m sure these children were becoming visibly upset and she just made it worse. Do you think that behavior is ok? Do you think it’s ok to further upset an already upset person for absolutely no reason?
Where does it say these kids were becoming visibly upset in the article? And this is the perspective of one parent and child? How do we know this is true?
I’m no expert on 6 year olds but I would assume that a whole bunch of them being told there’s no Santa, Easter bunny, tooth fairy, etc probably pissed them off. Just a pure guess.
Are you the teacher who did this? You are bizarrely defensive.
Yes I go around telling kids Santa isn't real for a living. 
It just blows my mind how much emphasis people put on the boogeyman for the holidays. How about instead we teach kids to appreciate what they have the gifts that are given to them instead of insisting that some person in a red suit comes and gives them whatever they want?
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Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
Obviously she has zero respect for these children and for whatever beliefs they have in their household, so she should not be working with kids.
Losing your job isn't the same as having your life ruined. She made a grave error in judgement and should be punished for it.
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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
Posted by NicoleF219
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I don’t think it has anything to do with Christmas. This is a substitute teacher who went out of her way to upset small children. Why would anyone purposely upset another person, especially a child? I do think there are psychotic tendencies in a person who intends to cause harm or distress to another person.
If she had slipped and alluded to the fact that Santa wasn’t real, fine. But she just kept digging the hole deeper and deeper. I’m sure these children were becoming visibly upset and she just made it worse. Do you think that behavior is ok? Do you think it’s ok to further upset an already upset person for absolutely no reason?
Where does it say these kids were becoming visibly upset in the article? And this is the perspective of one parent and child? How do we know this is true?
I’m no expert on 6 year olds but I would assume that a whole bunch of them being told there’s no Santa, Easter bunny, tooth fairy, etc probably pissed them off. Just a pure guess.
Are you the teacher who did this? You are bizarrely defensive.
Yes I go around telling kids Santa isn't real for a living.
It just blows my mind how much emphasis people put on the boogeyman for the holidays. How about instead we teach kids to appreciate what they have the gifts that are given to them instead of insisting that some person in a red suit comes and gives them whatever they want?
I agree to an extent that Christmas has become too commercial etc but again that is not the place of a teacher to decide how a child should be raised, what they believe in, how a family celebrates or doesn't celebrate a holiday.
How people raise their children is completely up to the paretns.
She may not agree with it, you may not agree with it, but it isn't anyone's place to decide how a family raises their kids and what traditions they believe in
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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
Are you really defending this person for telling kids Santa isn't real?? What business is it of yours if parents want their kids to believe in the magic of Santa and Christmas? They're kids for such a short time, why are you against them believing in magic? They have their whole life for reality. It's NOBODY's business! Fact is this teacher is being paid to teach the curriculum. Is Santa on the curriculum? It's certainly not anyone's job to talk about Santa, where Fluffy went when he died, religion, politics, the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny, or sex with other people's kids. That's the PARENT'S job!
It's unbelievable that you're defending her actions. So you'd be cool with standing at the entrance to the magic kindgom and telling every kid who enters none of the bull shit they're about to see is real.
And the commercialization of the holidays has nothing to do with the topic!
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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
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Yes I go around telling kids Santa isn't real for a living.
It just blows my mind how much emphasis people put on the boogeyman for the holidays. How about instead we teach kids to appreciate what they have the gifts that are given to them instead of insisting that some person in a red suit comes and gives them whatever they want?
We should also teach our children empathy and kindness...none of which was shown to these children. Like others have said...it was cruel and mean spirited. I would seriously question the ability of this person to teach that grade level. Today it was just Santa...but it's something else tomorrow.
Appreciation is not taught by believing in Santa or not...especially to 6 and 7 year old...they are taught to appreciate by how they are treated and how they see others they wish to emulate; treat others. You teach gratitude by being grateful...not by taking pleasure in bursting the bubble of some children.
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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
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I don’t think it has anything to do with Christmas. This is a substitute teacher who went out of her way to upset small children. Why would anyone purposely upset another person, especially a child? I do think there are psychotic tendencies in a person who intends to cause harm or distress to another person.
If she had slipped and alluded to the fact that Santa wasn’t real, fine. But she just kept digging the hole deeper and deeper. I’m sure these children were becoming visibly upset and she just made it worse. Do you think that behavior is ok? Do you think it’s ok to further upset an already upset person for absolutely no reason?
Where does it say these kids were becoming visibly upset in the article? And this is the perspective of one parent and child? How do we know this is true?
I’m no expert on 6 year olds but I would assume that a whole bunch of them being told there’s no Santa, Easter bunny, tooth fairy, etc probably pissed them off. Just a pure guess.
Are you the teacher who did this? You are bizarrely defensive.
Yes I go around telling kids Santa isn't real for a living.
It just blows my mind how much emphasis people put on the boogeyman for the holidays. How about instead we teach kids to appreciate what they have the gifts that are given to them instead of insisting that some person in a red suit comes and gives them whatever they want?
Obviously you have a strong opinion against Santa and maybe even Christmas. But did you even read the article??
She basically went through a list of all the fantasies to tell the children they are fake and how its done. Some children really believe and get sad when they find out the truth. I don't need a sub-teacher breaking this news in a mean spirited, ignorant way to my child.
This woman is clearly not balanced and doesn't know how to behave at her job or around children.
ETA: Also you are very judgmental. How do you know a kid isn't taught compassion and appreciation? Believing in Santa doesn't imply kids are NOT being taught morals and ethics.
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Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
That is beyond $hitty.. She actually sounds unstable and I do think she should lose her job.
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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
Posted by NicoleF219
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Posted by NicoleF219
Posted by LuckyStar
I don’t think it has anything to do with Christmas. This is a substitute teacher who went out of her way to upset small children. Why would anyone purposely upset another person, especially a child? I do think there are psychotic tendencies in a person who intends to cause harm or distress to another person.
If she had slipped and alluded to the fact that Santa wasn’t real, fine. But she just kept digging the hole deeper and deeper. I’m sure these children were becoming visibly upset and she just made it worse. Do you think that behavior is ok? Do you think it’s ok to further upset an already upset person for absolutely no reason?
Where does it say these kids were becoming visibly upset in the article? And this is the perspective of one parent and child? How do we know this is true?
I’m no expert on 6 year olds but I would assume that a whole bunch of them being told there’s no Santa, Easter bunny, tooth fairy, etc probably pissed them off. Just a pure guess.
Are you the teacher who did this? You are bizarrely defensive.
Yes I go around telling kids Santa isn't real for a living.
It just blows my mind how much emphasis people put on the boogeyman for the holidays. How about instead we teach kids to appreciate what they have the gifts that are given to them instead of insisting that some person in a red suit comes and gives them whatever they want?
You're completely missing the point
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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
omg you sound like a terrible person.....
let children be children let them have wonder and hope and let them believe in something....
grinch...
eta- this is meant for Nicolewhatever the rest of her name is....
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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
Well damn:
Simek said the teacher also tried to ruin the spirit of other holidays. "She told them reindeer can't fly and elves are not real [and] elf on the shelf is just a pretend doll that your parents move around," Simek wrote on Facebook.
"She did not even stop there: the tooth fairy is not real because mom or dad just sneak into your room in the middle of the night and put money under your pillow, same goes for the Easter bunny. She told them magic does not exist. There is no such thing as magic anything," Simek wrote
What a d!ck. She sounds like loads of fun
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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
Posted by Tulip9
omg you sound like a terrible person.....
let children be children let them have wonder and hope and let them believe in something....
grinch...
eta- this is meant for Nicolewhatever the rest of her name is....
I agree! It has nothing to do with Christmas. That’s like telling a 6 yr old child “no, your grandma and grandpa aren’t up in heaven together playing bingo. They’re buried in dirt and decaying into worm food”
Terrible.
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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
Posted by NicoleF219
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I don’t think it has anything to do with Christmas. This is a substitute teacher who went out of her way to upset small children. Why would anyone purposely upset another person, especially a child? I do think there are psychotic tendencies in a person who intends to cause harm or distress to another person.
If she had slipped and alluded to the fact that Santa wasn’t real, fine. But she just kept digging the hole deeper and deeper. I’m sure these children were becoming visibly upset and she just made it worse. Do you think that behavior is ok? Do you think it’s ok to further upset an already upset person for absolutely no reason?
Where does it say these kids were becoming visibly upset in the article? And this is the perspective of one parent and child? How do we know this is true?
I'm just curious if you have kids? I totally agree with PP. Anyone that shatters my child's spirit doesn't deserve to be around them or any children for that matter.
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Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
She sounds like a miserable person. Like someone said, if she slipped up, then it's just a mistake. But, she intentionally told these kids this.
Seeing the wonder in my DD's eyes at the magic of all these holidays, makes me so happy. And if someone took that away from her, I would be so crushed.
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Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
I'm thinking NicoleF219 is a Troll. What sane adult would try justify this (clearly unstable) teacher's actions? I don't care what religion you are, what you believe in, this is just beyond cruel.
I wish they'd release her name and absolutely hope she's fired. She deserves whatever backlash should occur from this. I hope those kids are still able to enjoy their holiday and that the magic wasn't totally ruined.
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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
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I don’t think it has anything to do with Christmas. This is a substitute teacher who went out of her way to upset small children. Why would anyone purposely upset another person, especially a child? I do think there are psychotic tendencies in a person who intends to cause harm or distress to another person.
If she had slipped and alluded to the fact that Santa wasn’t real, fine. But she just kept digging the hole deeper and deeper. I’m sure these children were becoming visibly upset and she just made it worse. Do you think that behavior is ok? Do you think it’s ok to further upset an already upset person for absolutely no reason?
Where does it say these kids were becoming visibly upset in the article? And this is the perspective of one parent and child? How do we know this is true?
I'm just curious if you have kids? I totally agree with PP. Anyone that shatters my child's spirit doesn't deserve to be around them or any children for that matter.
This wasn't directed at me, but I don't have children, I don't really like children, and I think this is one of the most despicable things I have ever heard. Anyone who would do this to a small child is clearly unhinged, but at that very least is in the wrong profession!
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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
Posted by NicoleF219
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Posted by NicoleF219
Posted by LuckyStar
I don’t think it has anything to do with Christmas. This is a substitute teacher who went out of her way to upset small children. Why would anyone purposely upset another person, especially a child? I do think there are psychotic tendencies in a person who intends to cause harm or distress to another person.
If she had slipped and alluded to the fact that Santa wasn’t real, fine. But she just kept digging the hole deeper and deeper. I’m sure these children were becoming visibly upset and she just made it worse. Do you think that behavior is ok? Do you think it’s ok to further upset an already upset person for absolutely no reason?
Where does it say these kids were becoming visibly upset in the article? And this is the perspective of one parent and child? How do we know this is true?
I’m no expert on 6 year olds but I would assume that a whole bunch of them being told there’s no Santa, Easter bunny, tooth fairy, etc probably pissed them off. Just a pure guess.
Are you the teacher who did this? You are bizarrely defensive.
Yes I go around telling kids Santa isn't real for a living.
It just blows my mind how much emphasis people put on the boogeyman for the holidays. How about instead we teach kids to appreciate what they have the gifts that are given to them instead of insisting that some person in a red suit comes and gives them whatever they want?
Because the world is a f'ucked up place and any innonnece I can hold onto with my children I am grasping hard on.
People like you need to crawl back into their miserable holes they crawled out of. What a wench...
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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
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Posted by NicoleF219
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by NicoleF219
Posted by LuckyStar
I don’t think it has anything to do with Christmas. This is a substitute teacher who went out of her way to upset small children. Why would anyone purposely upset another person, especially a child? I do think there are psychotic tendencies in a person who intends to cause harm or distress to another person.
If she had slipped and alluded to the fact that Santa wasn’t real, fine. But she just kept digging the hole deeper and deeper. I’m sure these children were becoming visibly upset and she just made it worse. Do you think that behavior is ok? Do you think it’s ok to further upset an already upset person for absolutely no reason?
Where does it say these kids were becoming visibly upset in the article? And this is the perspective of one parent and child? How do we know this is true?
I’m no expert on 6 year olds but I would assume that a whole bunch of them being told there’s no Santa, Easter bunny, tooth fairy, etc probably pissed them off. Just a pure guess.
Are you the teacher who did this? You are bizarrely defensive.
Yes I go around telling kids Santa isn't real for a living.
It just blows my mind how much emphasis people put on the boogeyman for the holidays. How about instead we teach kids to appreciate what they have the gifts that are given to them instead of insisting that some person in a red suit comes and gives them whatever they want?
Because the world is a f'ucked up place and any innonnece I can hold onto with my children I am grasping hard on.
People like you need to crawl back into their miserable holes they crawled out of. What a wench...
I was just gong to say the same. Like what is SO wrong about believing in something fun and good and innocent? In this awful world we live in where things just keep getting more and more effed up every day, where mass shootings are the norm, where there is SO much hatred out there, why on earth would anyone care or be so upset by the fact that we want our children to believe in something magical for a few short years of their lives?
It's not hurting anyone.
If you don't like it, don't want your child to participate in it, fine. Nobody is telling you that you should.
But don't ruin it for everyone else.
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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
Too long to quote but the problem is people now a days can’t believe in different things and be respectful of each other.
What burns my ass is the comment “teach kids to appreciate gifts”... the most asinine thing to say. As if my kid is a selfish little brat because he believes in Santa.
My son goes to Catholic school and even though Santa is the secular part of Christmas they still incorporate it and the elf on the shelf. In addition to teaching about the religious meaning and being charitable.
I find it so odd that someone would be so annoyed or p!ssed at a child believing in magic and fairy tales.
ETA: and I hate the Elf on the Shelf but my son enjoys it at his school so I won’t ruin it for him just because I think it’s weird. My sister also does it with my niece, I never would judge or ruin for her either.
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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
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Too long to quote but the problem is people now a days can’t believe in different things and be respectful of each other.
What burns my ass is the comment “teach kids to appreciate gifts”... the most asinine thing to say. As if my kid is a selfish little brat because he believes in Santa.
My son goes to Catholic school and even though Santa is the secular part of Christmas they still incorporate it and the elf on the shelf. In addition to teaching about the religious meaning and being charitable.
I find it so odd that someone would be so annoyed or p!ssed at a child believing in magic and fairy tales.
ETA: and I hate the Elf on the Shelf but my son enjoys it at his school so I won’t ruin it for him just because I think it’s weird. My sister also does it with my niece, I never would judge or ruin for her either.
I've learned that some people are just SO miserable in their own lives, that they have to knock every single thing everyone else does and believes in. It's insane to me. Therapy is calling those people, big time.
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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
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Posted by Sash
Too long to quote but the problem is people now a days can’t believe in different things and be respectful of each other.
What burns my ass is the comment “teach kids to appreciate gifts”... the most asinine thing to say. As if my kid is a selfish little brat because he believes in Santa.
My son goes to Catholic school and even though Santa is the secular part of Christmas they still incorporate it and the elf on the shelf. In addition to teaching about the religious meaning and being charitable.
I find it so odd that someone would be so annoyed or p!ssed at a child believing in magic and fairy tales.
ETA: and I hate the Elf on the Shelf but my son enjoys it at his school so I won’t ruin it for him just because I think it’s weird. My sister also does it with my niece, I never would judge or ruin for her either.
I've learned that some people are just SO miserable in their own lives, that they have to knock every single thing everyone else does and believes in. It's insane to me. Therapy is calling those people, big time.
I was scrolling through IG the other day and came across a quote that really says it perfectly:
People act on the outside the way they feel on the inside.
Real food for thought.....
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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
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Posted by BargainMama
Posted by Sash
Too long to quote but the problem is people now a days can’t believe in different things and be respectful of each other.
What burns my ass is the comment “teach kids to appreciate gifts”... the most asinine thing to say. As if my kid is a selfish little brat because he believes in Santa.
My son goes to Catholic school and even though Santa is the secular part of Christmas they still incorporate it and the elf on the shelf. In addition to teaching about the religious meaning and being charitable.
I find it so odd that someone would be so annoyed or p!ssed at a child believing in magic and fairy tales.
ETA: and I hate the Elf on the Shelf but my son enjoys it at his school so I won’t ruin it for him just because I think it’s weird. My sister also does it with my niece, I never would judge or ruin for her either.
I've learned that some people are just SO miserable in their own lives, that they have to knock every single thing everyone else does and believes in. It's insane to me. Therapy is calling those people, big time.
I was scrolling through IG the other day and came across a quote that really says it perfectly:
People act on the outside the way they feel on the inside.
Real food for thought.....
Yes!
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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
Wow some people become completely unhinged during the holidays.
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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
I'm so mad at News 12. Last night they run this story and say"teacher tells kids no santa...." My daughter stopped in her tracks and is now obsessing about this story. Thanks a lot News 12!
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Posted by JandJ1224
I'm so mad at News 12. Last night they run this story and say"teacher tells kids no santa...." My daughter stopped in her tracks and is now obsessing about this story. Thanks a lot News 12!
We were watching King of Queens one night recently- we watch the reruns all the time- and DD was in the room, but not really paying attention. She was on her Ipad, but not with headphones so she could hear the TV
It was an episode where Doug's parents kept replacing his dog from childhood every time it died so Doug wouldn't be upset. So Doug thought the dog was like 25 years old and the same dog he had as a kid. 
Carrie got annoyed at his parents for doing this and said something like- What else do you guys do? Have you broken the news to him yet that Santa isn't real?
DH and I looked at each other like 
DD didn't seem to pick up on it though- thankfully she was engaged in whatever she was doing on the ipad.
He and I mentioned it later like - whew dodged a bullet on that one.
But normally what I do in situations where she is like- So and so says Santa isn't real or that the elf is moved by your parents- is say- "oh they just don't believe. You have to believe for Santa to come etc"
She still buys it- thankfully. For now.
In the case of that news story- I'd say- Can you believe that silly teacher, saying Santa isn't real.
Make it like the story was a news headline because it was so silly she would say it.
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Re: Sub-Teacher Tells Students Santa Isn't Real!
Posted by NicoleF219
I think this is a huge jump to make from telling kids that Santa isn't real to being a racist. I think this is one of those things that while many think it was a bad choice shouldn't be something that we are ruining someone's life over. I am shocked at that amount of hatred that is being spewed by people over something like this.
Let me preface this by stating I do not have children.
Children at that age have an innocence that should be enjoyed. There is enough evil and hatred in this world that they do not have to know about just yet.
It is up to the parent(s) to keep this innocence going until they decide the time to tell their children that their childhood fantasies are not real.
A teacher should stick to teaching what the curriculum dictates. This teacher failed in her responsibility and should be held accountable for her actions. It is one thing to correct a child if they say the sky is green instead of blue, a whole other thing to tell a young child that Santa doesn't exist, and neither does the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, Elf on the Shelf.
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