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Re: Hero father tries to attack Larry Nassar at sentencing
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I just read that a Go Fund Me page set up for this Dad has already raised over $10,000 within 3 hours.
For what though? He wasn’t charged with anything, “given the nature of the case” - rightly so. This judge gives me hope.
It was probably set up before the charges were dropped.
Exactly he has no reason to deserve a GoFundMe
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Re: Hero father tries to attack Larry Nassar at sentencing
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I thought you were explaining one of the accounted stories.
Oh sorry. I meant just molestors in general and how they manipulate.
ETS: sorry originally I was talking about 1 of the gymnast. The one that went to the police and they believed Nassar instead. Brianne Randall. Im not sure if she stayed on or not.
The 2nd part of my reply was about molesters im general and how they work.
I apologize for the confusion.
Brianne Randall-Gay receives apology
Edited again: Brianne wasnt a gymnast. She was referred to him dur to back injuries from soccer and tennis. But I dont believe she went back to see him.
It’s a sick world! No apologies needed, thanks for sharing though. I can’t even imagine how many victims we don’t know about
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Re: Hero father tries to attack Larry Nassar at sentencing
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I have a hard time that people really think that literally hundreds of parents just sold out there children to make them stars. Really? I'm not saying it never happens but literally hundreds and hundreds of parents? All but a very small handful that did raise concern. I just can't see that being the case.
This guy was a master manipulator. Everyone said he was so nice, so kind, amazing doctor, etc. I think he knew how you talk his way out of anything. I do blame the college and other authorities (police departments, usa gymnastics, etc) that didn't pull him away from practicing immediately while there was even a question. I read an article about a 24yo woman who went to the college after she claimed assaulted her. There was an investigation and the college believed he was doing valid medical procedures but didn't communicate well with her. Except they didn't even mention the last part to the poor woman so she doubted herself all the while knowing it was wrong.
Now he even has his own attorney (a young female) doubting he's guilty of avoiding all these women. Whatever magic spell he casts on everyone he meets is mind boggling. The whole situation is really.
I agree with this. So many of the girls DID report him to various people in positions of authority and were made to feel like they were crazy and that there was no way this monster could have been doing what they claimed. There were too many people that could have done something that didn't, but I really doubt the parents (for the most part) would have willingly allowed their children to continue to be abused if they really knew what was going on. Just like the girls who reported this, I am sure any parent that raised a concern was manipulated and told about the need for these "treatments" just the way the girls were.
Idk have you be around these parents who want their kids to be famous? I’ve seen it firsthand, I’m not saying it was every parent but come on. I will still stand behind that the majority of these parents did not protect their kids and turned a blind eye or should get slapped for being so dumb. I explained my experiences already.
The things that these kids told the adults and no one believe them. Manipulation my ass. I’ll say it again and again, idc how old my kid is if they are saying the slightest thing that sounds questionable then it’s a problem and needs to be looked at.
I also don’t care what the rules are my kid is not staying in a hotel by themselves and I’m not letting a doctor see them privately in a flucking hotel room. That’s the policy then I guess my kid won’t be an Olympic gold medalist. How do you explain that logic?
I'll explain that logic. Too many people are just plain old stupid. They trust anyone who is a "Dr.", they want their kid to be the best at (Insert whatever sport here) and don't want their kid to be left out or be made fun of by other kids for not being able to stay with the other kids. These are the same parents who side eye the "helicopter moms" and talk shit about them.
My niece has been a figure skater most of her life. She goes to compete in Lake Placid all the time. When they go, The entire FAMILY goes. Not just her with the girls, or "mom, just come the day of the comp, no need to be there the other days" Yea right. My brother and sister inlaw take off of work and go with her. No coach, Dr., janitor, IDGAF who will go near my niece - especially with my brother sitting right there every second.
Plus - it's probably not a popular opinion.. But we have warned the children in our family of predators as soon as they were old enough tot take the bus to school. And by we, I mean we. Their aunts, uncles, cousins. My sister would ask me any type of scenario about strangers/predators in front of my nephew and he'd hear exactly what she was telling him from another person.
I agree, I’m sorry but I’ve been talking about this to my son since he was 3. When my son was 5 and filming someone was like oh we will walk him over to set, I was like umm nope I got it - thanks. By no means am I a helicopter mom but I’m not leaving my kid with strangers or letting my guard down so he can be he next big thing.
I don’t think people want to believe that a parent can turned a blind eye but they do. And at some point you should be accountable for not protecting your kid. I’m not saying these evils thing can’t happen to anyone’s child because your child goes to school etc and you can’t watch them 24/7 but I’m not willing going to let my underage child be with a doctor by themselves.
I think it’s smart to teach your kids about their privacy as uncomfortable as it is.
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Re: Hero father tries to attack Larry Nassar at sentencing
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I'll explain that logic. Too many people are just plain old stupid. They trust anyone who is a "Dr.", they want their kid to be the best at (Insert whatever sport here) and don't want their kid to be left out or be made fun of by other kids for not being able to stay with the other kids. These are the same parents who side eye the "helicopter moms" and talk shit about them.
My niece has been a figure skater most of her life. She goes to compete in Lake Placid all the time. When they go, The entire FAMILY goes. Not just her with the girls, or "mom, just come the day of the comp, no need to be there the other days" Yea right. My brother and sister inlaw take off of work and go with her. No coach, Dr., janitor, IDGAF who will go near my niece - especially with my brother sitting right there every second.
Plus - it's probably not a popular opinion.. But we have warned the children in our family of predators as soon as they were old enough tot take the bus to school. And by we, I mean we. Their aunts, uncles, cousins. My sister would ask me any type of scenario about strangers/predators in front of my nephew and he'd hear exactly what she was telling him from another person.
As far as people trusting doctors how many times have we seen it on here where people ask about vaccines and 10 people reply with "I trust my doctor." Obviously not quite the same, but many people have this feeling that a doctor should be trusted no matter what, not just parents of athletes.
Also many of the girls mentioned that they felt weird about the treatment, but didn't say anything because they felt it must have been legit since coaches etc endorsed this guy. Many of these girls were only 12 or 13 and didn't really understand what was happening.
I think it's great that your family is able to be there for your niece right now, but what happens if she makes it to an international level and has to travel to Canada, Japan, France and Russia all in one year?
And also, there were several girls who were "treated" with parents in the room, but Nassar positioned himself so that the parent couldn't see exactly what was happening. Apparently he just kept a normal conversation going so no one suspected anything. I'm just saying, don't get too comfortable just because you think you have safeguards in place.
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Re: Hero father tries to attack Larry Nassar at sentencing
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I agree, I’m sorry but I’ve been talking about this to my son since he was 3. When my son was 5 and filming someone was like oh we will walk him over to set, I was like umm nope I got it - thanks. By no means am I a helicopter mom but I’m not leaving my kid with strangers or letting my guard down so he can be he next big thing.
I don’t think people want to believe that a parent can turned a blind eye but they do. And at some point you should be accountable for not protecting your kid. I’m not saying these evils thing can’t happen to anyone’s child because your child goes to school etc and you can’t watch them 24/7 but I’m not willing going to let my underage child be with a doctor by themselves.
I think it’s smart to teach your kids about their privacy as uncomfortable as it is.
What if your son was 12 when they asked? Or 14? Or 16? Would you still say no?
Also, many of these girls were treated in the gym during practice hours. Parents were not even notified. The girl mentioned pain and they were sent to see the doctor in the back room. Most parents do not stay for practices as they are 4-5 hours long for gymnasts.
And yes, maybe parents should have told the girls to never see a doctor without telling mom and dad first and maybe they did. But girls are taught from day one in gymnastics never to question their coach. It's something about the culture that definitely needs to change, but that's the way it is right now.
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Re: Hero father tries to attack Larry Nassar at sentencing
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I'll explain that logic. Too many people are just plain old stupid. They trust anyone who is a "Dr.", they want their kid to be the best at (Insert whatever sport here) and don't want their kid to be left out or be made fun of by other kids for not being able to stay with the other kids. These are the same parents who side eye the "helicopter moms" and talk shit about them.
My niece has been a figure skater most of her life. She goes to compete in Lake Placid all the time. When they go, The entire FAMILY goes. Not just her with the girls, or "mom, just come the day of the comp, no need to be there the other days" Yea right. My brother and sister inlaw take off of work and go with her. No coach, Dr., janitor, IDGAF who will go near my niece - especially with my brother sitting right there every second.
Plus - it's probably not a popular opinion.. But we have warned the children in our family of predators as soon as they were old enough tot take the bus to school. And by we, I mean we. Their aunts, uncles, cousins. My sister would ask me any type of scenario about strangers/predators in front of my nephew and he'd hear exactly what she was telling him from another person.
As far as people trusting doctors how many times have we seen it on here where people ask about vaccines and 10 people reply with "I trust my doctor." Obviously not quite the same, but many people have this feeling that a doctor should be trusted no matter what, not just parents of athletes.
Also many of the girls mentioned that they felt weird about the treatment, but didn't say anything because they felt it must have been legit since coaches etc endorsed this guy. Many of these girls were only 12 or 13 and didn't really understand what was happening.
I think it's great that your family is able to be there for your niece right now, but what happens if she makes it to an international level and has to travel to Canada, Japan, France and Russia all in one year?
And also, there were several girls who were "treated" with parents in the room, but Nassar positioned himself so that the parent couldn't see exactly what was happening. Apparently he just kept a normal conversation going so no one suspected anything. I'm just saying, don't get too comfortable just because you think you have safeguards in place.
If my niece were to make it , there is no way she is going to do that kind of traveling as a minor without a parent. My sil would quit her job and be there every step of the way. Also, because we have taught all of them about what’s appropriate and what isn’t, my niece should be able to tell the difference between what’s right and wrong. If it were to happen, I’m confident it would be the one time and she would never go back. Along with the fact that the entire family would be on the news one way or another.
Even at 14, i went to a comp with her and she had to run and change. Her mom was busy talking to a coach and she asked me to go with her. At 14. She was weary about changing with so many in a large space. And when she did change, I stood in front of her, facing away from her, so she felt comfortable.
Vaccines and drs and inappropriate sexual abuse are 2 very different things. I trust my dr with my life. Obviously. He’s who I go to when Im Sick and need scary testing done, etc. doesn’t mean I go into everything he says blindly. But at the end of the day, I trust his knowledge as a physician. Now if I went to my ENT and he told me he needed to do a breast exam, I’d tell him to F off. There are some people who might think “oh, that’s probably part of an exam for this”. Uhhh no.
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Re: Hero father tries to attack Larry Nassar at sentencing
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I agree, I’m sorry but I’ve been talking about this to my son since he was 3. When my son was 5 and filming someone was like oh we will walk him over to set, I was like umm nope I got it - thanks. By no means am I a helicopter mom but I’m not leaving my kid with strangers or letting my guard down so he can be he next big thing.
I don’t think people want to believe that a parent can turned a blind eye but they do. And at some point you should be accountable for not protecting your kid. I’m not saying these evils thing can’t happen to anyone’s child because your child goes to school etc and you can’t watch them 24/7 but I’m not willing going to let my underage child be with a doctor by themselves.
I think it’s smart to teach your kids about their privacy as uncomfortable as it is.
What if your son was 12 when they asked? Or 14? Or 16? Would you still say no?
Also, many of these girls were treated in the gym during practice hours. Parents were not even notified. The girl mentioned pain and they were sent to see the doctor in the back room. Most parents do not stay for practices as they are 4-5 hours long for gymnasts.
And yes, maybe parents should have told the girls to never see a doctor without telling mom and dad first and maybe they did. But girls are taught from day one in gymnastics never to question their coach. It's something about the culture that definitely needs to change, but that's the way it is right now.
I don’t know but I took my stepson to the doctors at 12, 14 and 16 - they are still minors. I don’t understand the question. And idc what the rules were I don’t trust my kid with people idk, end of story. A lot of the kids told their parents and adults and they told them that isn’t what happens. These kids had no advocate, your their parent it’s your job to be their advocate and protector. You want them in a hard sport then you sacrifice.
I just feel like parents are never held accountable. I can bet my left arm their were parents in these cases that were more concerned about their child’s success and fame then protecting them. And if people don’t believe that then I find it crazy.
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Re: Hero father tries to attack Larry Nassar at sentencing
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I'll explain that logic. Too many people are just plain old stupid. They trust anyone who is a "Dr.", they want their kid to be the best at (Insert whatever sport here) and don't want their kid to be left out or be made fun of by other kids for not being able to stay with the other kids. These are the same parents who side eye the "helicopter moms" and talk shit about them.
My niece has been a figure skater most of her life. She goes to compete in Lake Placid all the time. When they go, The entire FAMILY goes. Not just her with the girls, or "mom, just come the day of the comp, no need to be there the other days" Yea right. My brother and sister inlaw take off of work and go with her. No coach, Dr., janitor, IDGAF who will go near my niece - especially with my brother sitting right there every second.
Plus - it's probably not a popular opinion.. But we have warned the children in our family of predators as soon as they were old enough tot take the bus to school. And by we, I mean we. Their aunts, uncles, cousins. My sister would ask me any type of scenario about strangers/predators in front of my nephew and he'd hear exactly what she was telling him from another person.
As far as people trusting doctors how many times have we seen it on here where people ask about vaccines and 10 people reply with "I trust my doctor." Obviously not quite the same, but many people have this feeling that a doctor should be trusted no matter what, not just parents of athletes.
Also many of the girls mentioned that they felt weird about the treatment, but didn't say anything because they felt it must have been legit since coaches etc endorsed this guy. Many of these girls were only 12 or 13 and didn't really understand what was happening.
I think it's great that your family is able to be there for your niece right now, but what happens if she makes it to an international level and has to travel to Canada, Japan, France and Russia all in one year?
And also, there were several girls who were "treated" with parents in the room, but Nassar positioned himself so that the parent couldn't see exactly what was happening. Apparently he just kept a normal conversation going so no one suspected anything. I'm just saying, don't get too comfortable just because you think you have safeguards in place.
If my niece were to make it , there is no way she is going to do that kind of traveling as a minor without a parent. My sil would quit her job and be there every step of the way. Also, because we have taught all of them about what’s appropriate and what isn’t, my niece should be able to tell the difference between what’s right and wrong. If it were to happen, I’m confident it would be the one time and she would never go back. Along with the fact that the entire family would be on the news one way or another.
Even at 14, i went to a comp with her and she had to run and change. Her mom was busy talking to a coach and she asked me to go with her. At 14. She was weary about changing with so many in a large space. And when she did change, I stood in front of her, facing away from her, so she felt comfortable.
Vaccines and drs and inappropriate sexual abuse are 2 very different things. I trust my dr with my life. Obviously. He’s who I go to when Im Sick and need scary testing done, etc. doesn’t mean I go into everything he says blindly. But at the end of the day, I trust his knowledge as a physician. Now if I went to my ENT and he told me he needed to do a breast exam, I’d tell him to F off. There are some people who might think “oh, that’s probably part of an exam for this”. Uhhh no.
Exactly I trust my doctors and the flu vaccine but I don’t trust him/her if they want to give me a Pap smear?? Then I will question it lol.
My cousins daughter is in gymnastics and she travels everywhere with her. I had to take my son out of acting because I couldn’t go with him to film or auditions. The manager was mad because he had potential and wanted me to trust him with a stranger  Either I sacrifice my career or put it on hold, which is what we did .
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Re: Hero father tries to attack Larry Nassar at sentencing
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Those court officers didn't want to have to subdue him. You could see it.
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Re: Hero father tries to attack Larry Nassar at sentencing
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I'll explain that logic. Too many people are just plain old stupid. They trust anyone who is a "Dr.", they want their kid to be the best at (Insert whatever sport here) and don't want their kid to be left out or be made fun of by other kids for not being able to stay with the other kids. These are the same parents who side eye the "helicopter moms" and talk shit about them.
My niece has been a figure skater most of her life. She goes to compete in Lake Placid all the time. When they go, The entire FAMILY goes. Not just her with the girls, or "mom, just come the day of the comp, no need to be there the other days" Yea right. My brother and sister inlaw take off of work and go with her. No coach, Dr., janitor, IDGAF who will go near my niece - especially with my brother sitting right there every second.
Plus - it's probably not a popular opinion.. But we have warned the children in our family of predators as soon as they were old enough tot take the bus to school. And by we, I mean we. Their aunts, uncles, cousins. My sister would ask me any type of scenario about strangers/predators in front of my nephew and he'd hear exactly what she was telling him from another person.
As far as people trusting doctors how many times have we seen it on here where people ask about vaccines and 10 people reply with "I trust my doctor." Obviously not quite the same, but many people have this feeling that a doctor should be trusted no matter what, not just parents of athletes.
Also many of the girls mentioned that they felt weird about the treatment, but didn't say anything because they felt it must have been legit since coaches etc endorsed this guy. Many of these girls were only 12 or 13 and didn't really understand what was happening.
I think it's great that your family is able to be there for your niece right now, but what happens if she makes it to an international level and has to travel to Canada, Japan, France and Russia all in one year?
And also, there were several girls who were "treated" with parents in the room, but Nassar positioned himself so that the parent couldn't see exactly what was happening. Apparently he just kept a normal conversation going so no one suspected anything. I'm just saying, don't get too comfortable just because you think you have safeguards in place.
If my niece were to make it , there is no way she is going to do that kind of traveling as a minor without a parent. My sil would quit her job and be there every step of the way. Also, because we have taught all of them about what’s appropriate and what isn’t, my niece should be able to tell the difference between what’s right and wrong.
Who is to say that the parents haven't taught these girls the same thing? Unless we were there, we can't judge, and can't say the kids were wrong, the parents were wrong, etc. The victim shaming that is in some of the posts I've been reading is pretty sad 
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Re: Hero father tries to attack Larry Nassar at sentencing
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I'll explain that logic. Too many people are just plain old stupid. They trust anyone who is a "Dr.", they want their kid to be the best at (Insert whatever sport here) and don't want their kid to be left out or be made fun of by other kids for not being able to stay with the other kids. These are the same parents who side eye the "helicopter moms" and talk shit about them.
My niece has been a figure skater most of her life. She goes to compete in Lake Placid all the time. When they go, The entire FAMILY goes. Not just her with the girls, or "mom, just come the day of the comp, no need to be there the other days" Yea right. My brother and sister inlaw take off of work and go with her. No coach, Dr., janitor, IDGAF who will go near my niece - especially with my brother sitting right there every second.
Plus - it's probably not a popular opinion.. But we have warned the children in our family of predators as soon as they were old enough tot take the bus to school. And by we, I mean we. Their aunts, uncles, cousins. My sister would ask me any type of scenario about strangers/predators in front of my nephew and he'd hear exactly what she was telling him from another person.
As far as people trusting doctors how many times have we seen it on here where people ask about vaccines and 10 people reply with "I trust my doctor." Obviously not quite the same, but many people have this feeling that a doctor should be trusted no matter what, not just parents of athletes.
Also many of the girls mentioned that they felt weird about the treatment, but didn't say anything because they felt it must have been legit since coaches etc endorsed this guy. Many of these girls were only 12 or 13 and didn't really understand what was happening.
I think it's great that your family is able to be there for your niece right now, but what happens if she makes it to an international level and has to travel to Canada, Japan, France and Russia all in one year?
And also, there were several girls who were "treated" with parents in the room, but Nassar positioned himself so that the parent couldn't see exactly what was happening. Apparently he just kept a normal conversation going so no one suspected anything. I'm just saying, don't get too comfortable just because you think you have safeguards in place.
If my niece were to make it , there is no way she is going to do that kind of traveling as a minor without a parent. My sil would quit her job and be there every step of the way. Also, because we have taught all of them about what’s appropriate and what isn’t, my niece should be able to tell the difference between what’s right and wrong.
Who is to say that the parents haven't taught these girls the same thing? Unless we were there, we can't judge, and can't say the kids were wrong, the parents were wrong, etc. The victim shaming that is in some of the posts I've been reading is pretty sad
Who's to say they did?
I feel like this post is turning into the old diabetic in the store parking lot.
I am in no way saying the kids were wrong. I don't know what their parents taught them but I would imagine they didn't teach them what inappropriate touching is because if they did, as soon as they were touched inappropriately, mom or dad would have been alerted. No? And if they were alerted, it's the parents or guardians job to get to the bottom of it. It's the job of the trusted adults in children's life to protect them. And part of that protection is teaching them things that are hard to explain and uncomfortable to talk about. But it is necessary
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Re: Hero father tries to attack Larry Nassar at sentencing
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I'll explain that logic. Too many people are just plain old stupid. They trust anyone who is a "Dr.", they want their kid to be the best at (Insert whatever sport here) and don't want their kid to be left out or be made fun of by other kids for not being able to stay with the other kids. These are the same parents who side eye the "helicopter moms" and talk shit about them.
My niece has been a figure skater most of her life. She goes to compete in Lake Placid all the time. When they go, The entire FAMILY goes. Not just her with the girls, or "mom, just come the day of the comp, no need to be there the other days" Yea right. My brother and sister inlaw take off of work and go with her. No coach, Dr., janitor, IDGAF who will go near my niece - especially with my brother sitting right there every second.
Plus - it's probably not a popular opinion.. But we have warned the children in our family of predators as soon as they were old enough tot take the bus to school. And by we, I mean we. Their aunts, uncles, cousins. My sister would ask me any type of scenario about strangers/predators in front of my nephew and he'd hear exactly what she was telling him from another person.
As far as people trusting doctors how many times have we seen it on here where people ask about vaccines and 10 people reply with "I trust my doctor." Obviously not quite the same, but many people have this feeling that a doctor should be trusted no matter what, not just parents of athletes.
Also many of the girls mentioned that they felt weird about the treatment, but didn't say anything because they felt it must have been legit since coaches etc endorsed this guy. Many of these girls were only 12 or 13 and didn't really understand what was happening.
I think it's great that your family is able to be there for your niece right now, but what happens if she makes it to an international level and has to travel to Canada, Japan, France and Russia all in one year?
And also, there were several girls who were "treated" with parents in the room, but Nassar positioned himself so that the parent couldn't see exactly what was happening. Apparently he just kept a normal conversation going so no one suspected anything. I'm just saying, don't get too comfortable just because you think you have safeguards in place.
If my niece were to make it , there is no way she is going to do that kind of traveling as a minor without a parent. My sil would quit her job and be there every step of the way. Also, because we have taught all of them about what’s appropriate and what isn’t, my niece should be able to tell the difference between what’s right and wrong.
Who is to say that the parents haven't taught these girls the same thing? Unless we were there, we can't judge, and can't say the kids were wrong, the parents were wrong, etc. The victim shaming that is in some of the posts I've been reading is pretty sad
Who's to say they did?
I feel like this post is turning into the old diabetic in the store parking lot.
I am in no way saying the kids were wrong. I don't know what their parents taught them but I would imagine they didn't teach them what inappropriate touching is because if they did, as soon as they were touched inappropriately, mom or dad would have been alerted. No? And if they were alerted, it's the parents or guardians job to get to the bottom of it. It's the job of the trusted adults in children's life to protect them. And part of that protection is teaching them things that are hard to explain and uncomfortable to talk about. But it is necessary
Have you read anything about this case? The things he was doing he was justifying to the parents, coaches, etc. in that they were "necessary" treatments. Like the pelvic floor thing. Yes that sounds absolutely insane to us. But, we aren't gymnasts that strain every single part of their bodies on a daily basis, and need medical intervention constantly thoughout the season. So the parents probably THOUGH this bullcrap procedure was actually helping their kids. Who are we to sit and judge them or assume they have never told their kids about appropriate or inappropriate touch. And many of these girls and parents DID report this man, and again, his actions were justified and brushed off. Why don't you go ask Aly Raisman and Simone Biles and Gabby Douglas on their facebook pages why they did nothing about the whole thing and see what their response will be?
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PhyllisNJoe
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Re: Hero father tries to attack Larry Nassar at sentencing
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I'll explain that logic. Too many people are just plain old stupid. They trust anyone who is a "Dr.", they want their kid to be the best at (Insert whatever sport here) and don't want their kid to be left out or be made fun of by other kids for not being able to stay with the other kids. These are the same parents who side eye the "helicopter moms" and talk shit about them.
My niece has been a figure skater most of her life. She goes to compete in Lake Placid all the time. When they go, The entire FAMILY goes. Not just her with the girls, or "mom, just come the day of the comp, no need to be there the other days" Yea right. My brother and sister inlaw take off of work and go with her. No coach, Dr., janitor, IDGAF who will go near my niece - especially with my brother sitting right there every second.
Plus - it's probably not a popular opinion.. But we have warned the children in our family of predators as soon as they were old enough tot take the bus to school. And by we, I mean we. Their aunts, uncles, cousins. My sister would ask me any type of scenario about strangers/predators in front of my nephew and he'd hear exactly what she was telling him from another person.
As far as people trusting doctors how many times have we seen it on here where people ask about vaccines and 10 people reply with "I trust my doctor." Obviously not quite the same, but many people have this feeling that a doctor should be trusted no matter what, not just parents of athletes.
Also many of the girls mentioned that they felt weird about the treatment, but didn't say anything because they felt it must have been legit since coaches etc endorsed this guy. Many of these girls were only 12 or 13 and didn't really understand what was happening.
I think it's great that your family is able to be there for your niece right now, but what happens if she makes it to an international level and has to travel to Canada, Japan, France and Russia all in one year?
And also, there were several girls who were "treated" with parents in the room, but Nassar positioned himself so that the parent couldn't see exactly what was happening. Apparently he just kept a normal conversation going so no one suspected anything. I'm just saying, don't get too comfortable just because you think you have safeguards in place.
If my niece were to make it , there is no way she is going to do that kind of traveling as a minor without a parent. My sil would quit her job and be there every step of the way. Also, because we have taught all of them about what’s appropriate and what isn’t, my niece should be able to tell the difference between what’s right and wrong.
Who is to say that the parents haven't taught these girls the same thing? Unless we were there, we can't judge, and can't say the kids were wrong, the parents were wrong, etc. The victim shaming that is in some of the posts I've been reading is pretty sad
Who's to say they did?
I feel like this post is turning into the old diabetic in the store parking lot.
I am in no way saying the kids were wrong. I don't know what their parents taught them but I would imagine they didn't teach them what inappropriate touching is because if they did, as soon as they were touched inappropriately, mom or dad would have been alerted. No? And if they were alerted, it's the parents or guardians job to get to the bottom of it. It's the job of the trusted adults in children's life to protect them. And part of that protection is teaching them things that are hard to explain and uncomfortable to talk about. But it is necessary
Have you read anything about this case? The things he was doing he was justifying to the parents, coaches, etc. in that they were "necessary" treatments. Like the pelvic floor thing. Yes that sounds absolutely insane to us. But, we aren't gymnasts that strain every single part of their bodies on a daily basis, and need medical intervention constantly thoughout the season. So the parents probably THOUGH this bullcrap procedure was actually helping their kids. Who are we to sit and judge them or assume they have never told their kids about appropriate or inappropriate touch. And many of these girls and parents DID report this man, and again, his actions were justified and brushed off.
This reply is exactly how someone like him can get away with what he got away with. We aren’t gymnasts. What do we know what is appropriate when it comes to the medical treatment needed. . it’s your job as a parent or guardian TO KNOW. and if something feels “Icky” it usually is. Please , I understand your defense for the parents. And I am not pointing fingers diredtly at all of them. What I said was it starts at a young age and it continues from there. Parents constant Interaction. Showing their face. Watching everything. Questioning something that seems “icky”. Ask someone else. Ask your trusted physician if need be. There is no excuse for years of abuse to so many. It’s just unacceptable. And I wish that man had even 15 minutes with that slimey douchbag.
And how he could justify getting a hard on , touching breast’s or penatrating anyone’s vagina to anyone is beyond me.
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BargainMama
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Hero father tries to attack Larry Nassar at sentencing
But many of these girls were only abused once and reported it. The parents reported it. His explanations cleared him each time. Sick and sad
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/police-investigated-larry-nassar-for-abuse-13-years-ago-heres-how-he-got-away/2018/01/31/9ea865bc-06c4-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html?utm_term=.93f0cc439676
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PhyllisNJoe
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Re: Hero father tries to attack Larry Nassar at sentencing
Posted by BargainMama
But many of these girls were only abused once and reported it. The parents reported it. His explanations cleared him each time. Sick and sad
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/police-investigated-larry-nassar-for-abuse-13-years-ago-heres-how-he-got-away/2018/01/31/9ea865bc-06c4-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html?utm_term=.93f0cc439676
This is my last reply because we are going back and forth. Obviously we feel very differently about this
Let me ask you a question ... someone you love, a minor, tells you their doctor put his fingers in her vagina to help with her back pain. What do you do? Let’s say you don’t have my temper and you go through proper channels and report it. Nothing happens. He keeps his job and you get shooed away. Do you just take that minor and walk away or do you do everything in your power to warn every single person that has their children there about what’s happening? Do you try and save others from this type of abuse that can and will change their entire lives? People call the news over people vandalizing cars down any suburban street but not about a known child sex offender in a position of power???!
It is not ok. None of it is.
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Re: Hero father tries to attack Larry Nassar at sentencing
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
Posted by BargainMama
But many of these girls were only abused once and reported it. The parents reported it. His explanations cleared him each time. Sick and sad
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/police-investigated-larry-nassar-for-abuse-13-years-ago-heres-how-he-got-away/2018/01/31/9ea865bc-06c4-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html?utm_term=.93f0cc439676
This is my last reply because we are going back and forth. Obviously we feel very differently about this
Let me ask you a question ... someone you love, a minor, tells you their doctor put his fingers in her vagina to help with her back pain. What do you do? Let’s say you don’t have my temper and you go through proper channels and report it. Nothing happens. He keeps his job and you get shooed away. Do you just take that minor and walk away or do you do everything in your power to warn every single person that has their children there about what’s happening? Do you try and save others from this type of abuse that can and will change their entire lives? People call the news over people vandalizing cars down any suburban street but not about a known child sex offender in a position of power???!
It is not ok. None of it is.
Who said it was ok? And how do you know the parents didn't warn everyone? Many DID go to the police, the school, etc. In fact, many did just that. But, again, fell on deaf ears, and was justified. Everything isn't always so "black and white" in life. And for you to blame these girls and their parents...that's repulsive to me. But yes, I have no desire to go back and forth with you either.
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PhyllisNJoe
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Re: Hero father tries to attack Larry Nassar at sentencing
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
Posted by BargainMama
But many of these girls were only abused once and reported it. The parents reported it. His explanations cleared him each time. Sick and sad
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/police-investigated-larry-nassar-for-abuse-13-years-ago-heres-how-he-got-away/2018/01/31/9ea865bc-06c4-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html?utm_term=.93f0cc439676
This is my last reply because we are going back and forth. Obviously we feel very differently about this
Let me ask you a question ... someone you love, a minor, tells you their doctor put his fingers in her vagina to help with her back pain. What do you do? Let’s say you don’t have my temper and you go through proper channels and report it. Nothing happens. He keeps his job and you get shooed away. Do you just take that minor and walk away or do you do everything in your power to warn every single person that has their children there about what’s happening? Do you try and save others from this type of abuse that can and will change their entire lives? People call the news over people vandalizing cars down any suburban street but not about a known child sex offender in a position of power???!
It is not ok. None of it is.
Who said it was ok? And how do you know the parents didn't warn everyone? Many DID go to the police, the school, etc. In fact, many did just that. But, again, fell on deaf ears, and was justified. Everything isn't always so "black and white" in life. And for you to blame these girls and their parents...that's repulsive to me. But yes, I have no desire to go back and forth with you either.
I AM NOT BLAMING THESE GIRLS
I am however putting some on their parents / guardians.
I must be an animal
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