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stinger
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Question about guns
Does anyone know if the mass shooters who are killing with automatic weapons are getting them legally or illegally?
Trying to determine my stance on the debate.
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Momma2015
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Re: Question about guns
Well, it varies. The Texas shooter was dishonorably discharged from the military which prohibits the sale of any weapons or ammunition. But he seems to have purchased it from a guns & ammo shop. Not sure how. Perhaps if there was a waiting period or better background checks, even if he was using a false ID, this could've been discovered. Or ya know, don't sell assault rifles to the general public...
ETA: But no, this was not a gun purchased on the black market. This was a regular shop that anyone can walk into.
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Tulips915
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Re: Question about guns
Posted by Momma2015
Or ya know, don't sell assault rifles to the general public...
I didn't hear how he got the guns. Even if they didn't sell it to them, i'm sure he could have gotten (stolen) them from someone he knew. Doesn't almost everyone in TX have a gun?
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| Posted 11/6/17 9:18 AM |
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MsSissy
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Re: Question about guns
Posted by stinger
Does anyone know if the mass shooters who are killing with automatic weapons are getting them legally or illegally?
Trying to determine my stance on the debate.
I believe every gun the Vegas shooter had was legal. He owned a total of 47 guns.
Why need needed all those assault rifles is beyond my comprehension.
ETS: As for the Texas shooter from what's being reported it was also legal.
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| Posted 11/6/17 9:22 AM |
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Momma2015
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Re: Question about guns
Posted by Tulips915
Posted by Momma2015
Or ya know, don't sell assault rifles to the general public...
I didn't hear how he got the guns. Even if they didn't sell it to them, i'm sure he could have gotten (stolen) them from someone he knew. Doesn't almost everyone in TX have a gun?
CNN is reporting that Kelley himself purchased the gun at Academy Sports and Outdoors Store in San Antonio. 
He also had it as his profile picture on FB.
ETA: Quote from CNN:
"Kelley purchased the Ruger AR-556 rifle in April 2016 from an Academy Sports & Outdoors store in San Antonio, a law enforcement official told CNN.
When Kelley filled out the background check paperwork at the store, he checked the box to indicate he didn't have disqualifying criminal history, the official said. He listed an address in Colorado Springs, Colorado when he bought the rifle, the official said."
Link.
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Tulips915
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Re: Question about guns
Well then this is even more F'd up!!! 
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| Posted 11/6/17 9:25 AM |
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GoldenRod
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Re: Question about guns
This is two years old, but based on reports of the more recent shootings, the stats still hold up...
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/more-80-percent-guns-used-mass-shootings-obtained-legally-n474441
Eighty-two percent of weapons involved in mass shootings over the last three decades have been bought legally, according to a database compiled by Mother Jones magazine that defines a mass shooting as taking the lives of at least four people in a public place. Using that criteria, Mother Jones found 73 mass shootings since 1982.
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This is from earlier this year:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/guns-mass-shootings-obtained-legally-including-congressional-baseball/story?id=48055331
According to a database maintained by Mother Jones, there have been at least 90 mass shootings in the United States since 1982, and most of the shooters got their guns legally. The database focuses on what the publication calls "indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker," and excludes shootings stemming from more conventional crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence.
Of the 143 guns wielded by killers in mass shootings, more than three quarters were obtained legally, including dozens of assault weapons and semi-automatic handguns with high-capacity magazines, according to Mother Jones.
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gina409
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Re: Question about guns
I thought it was bad conduct from service?
So under federal law he can purchase the weapon. Which is ridiculous after charges of assault on his wofand. Hold and jail time
And as for
The Vegas shooter. Why is it ok for anyone to own 47 guns
Doesn't that set up a red flag??
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w8andsee
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Re: Question about guns
Posted by gina409
And as for
The Vegas shooter. Why is it ok for anyone to own 47 guns
Doesn't that set up a red flag??
I was told from a gun owner that there is no mass database of gun owners and what they own.
Also gun owners are against any such database because they are afraid if a gun gets banned, then the government will come at take it away.
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ohbaby08
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Re: Question about guns
Posted by w8andsee
Posted by gina409
And as for
The Vegas shooter. Why is it ok for anyone to own 47 guns
Doesn't that set up a red flag??
I was told from a gun owner that there is no mass database of gun owners and what they own.
Also gun owners are against any such database because they are afraid if a gun gets banned, then the government will come at take it away.
That's just utter bullsh*t.
I have to show my license at the pharmacy to buy cold meds in case I'm trying to make meth, but one person can have 47 freaking guns and no one is tracking that. WTAF!!!!!
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MarathonKnitter
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Re: Question about guns
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by w8andsee
Posted by gina409
And as for
The Vegas shooter. Why is it ok for anyone to own 47 guns
Doesn't that set up a red flag??
I was told from a gun owner that there is no mass database of gun owners and what they own.
Also gun owners are against any such database because they are afraid if a gun gets banned, then the government will come at take it away.
That's just utter bullsh*t.
I have to show my license at the pharmacy to buy cold meds in case I'm trying to make meth, but one person can have 47 freaking guns and no one is tracking that. WTAF!!!!!
that's because there is "legit" money to be made by guns and ammo. the "legit" people don't make money from meth.
follow the money!!
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PhyllisNJoe
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Re: Question about guns
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by w8andsee
Posted by gina409
And as for
The Vegas shooter. Why is it ok for anyone to own 47 guns
Doesn't that set up a red flag??
I was told from a gun owner that there is no mass database of gun owners and what they own.
Also gun owners are against any such database because they are afraid if a gun gets banned, then the government will come at take it away.
That's just utter bullsh*t.
I have to show my license at the pharmacy to buy cold meds in case I'm trying to make meth, but one person can have 47 freaking guns and no one is tracking that. WTAF!!!!!
Is there really no Mass Gun Database? I have to ask DH about that. I know that he has his guns listed on his permit - I would imagine that the listing is saved in a database - not just printed on his permit and then discarded. Maybe it's different by state?
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GoldenRod
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Re: Question about guns
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by w8andsee
Posted by gina409
And as for
The Vegas shooter. Why is it ok for anyone to own 47 guns
Doesn't that set up a red flag??
I was told from a gun owner that there is no mass database of gun owners and what they own.
Also gun owners are against any such database because they are afraid if a gun gets banned, then the government will come at take it away.
That's just utter bullsh*t.
I have to show my license at the pharmacy to buy cold meds in case I'm trying to make meth, but one person can have 47 freaking guns and no one is tracking that. WTAF!!!!!
Is there really no Mass Gun Database? I have to ask DH about that. I know that he has his guns listed on his permit - I would imagine that the listing is saved in a database - not just printed on his permit and then discarded. Maybe it's different by state?
Every state is (very) different. NY is one of the strictest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
An unrestricted jurisdiction is one in which a permit is not required to carry a concealed handgun. This is sometimes called constitutional carry. Within the unrestricted category, there exists states that are fully unrestricted, where no permit is required for lawful open or concealed carry, and partially unrestricted, where certain forms of concealed carry may be legal without a permit, while other forms of carry may require a permit.
Among U.S. states, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas,[disputed] Idaho (residents only), Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Dakota (residents only; concealed carry only), Vermont, West Virginia[55] and Wyoming (residents only) are fully unrestricted, and allow those who are not prohibited from owning a firearm to carry a concealed firearm in any place not deemed off-limits by law without a permit. Idaho, North Dakota and Wyoming only extend permitless carry to residents of the state; non-residents must still have a permit issued by their home state to legally carry concealed in these states. Permitless concealed carry in Mississippi only covers certain manners of carrying; see table above. These states also allow the open carry of a handgun without a permit with the exception of North Dakota and certain localities in Missouri.
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Several states don't require any type of permit to carry a concealed weapon in public. If there's no permit to carry, there's definitely no permit to connect the guns to the owners.
ETA:
Congress currently has a bill going through the process (of course, heavily backed by the NRA) that will allow anyone who is allowed a gun in their home state to be allowed to carry in any other state. (Reciprocity).
This means, that if you live in one of the states that doesn't require a permit to carry a gun, you would be 100% legal to travel to NY and carry without a permit.
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MsSissy
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Re: Question about guns
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
Is there really no Mass Gun Database? I have to ask DH about that. I know that he has his guns listed on his permit - I would imagine that the listing is saved in a database - not just printed on his permit and then discarded. Maybe it's different by state?
Is there a limit on how many you can own?
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PhyllisNJoe
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Re: Question about guns
Posted by MsSissy
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
Is there really no Mass Gun Database? I have to ask DH about that. I know that he has his guns listed on his permit - I would imagine that the listing is saved in a database - not just printed on his permit and then discarded. Maybe it's different by state?
Is there a limit on how many you can own?
I’m not sure if there’s a limit to be honest. I can ask him that too. He just acquired antiques from a grandfather and had to put them on the license as well. NY seems to be fairly strict with the gun laws (for gun owners)
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PhyllisNJoe
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Re: Question about guns
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by w8andsee
Posted by gina409
And as for
The Vegas shooter. Why is it ok for anyone to own 47 guns
Doesn't that set up a red flag??
I was told from a gun owner that there is no mass database of gun owners and what they own.
Also gun owners are against any such database because they are afraid if a gun gets banned, then the government will come at take it away.
That's just utter bullsh*t.
I have to show my license at the pharmacy to buy cold meds in case I'm trying to make meth, but one person can have 47 freaking guns and no one is tracking that. WTAF!!!!!
Is there really no Mass Gun Database? I have to ask DH about that. I know that he has his guns listed on his permit - I would imagine that the listing is saved in a database - not just printed on his permit and then discarded. Maybe it's different by state?
Every state is (very) different. NY is one of the strictest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
An unrestricted jurisdiction is one in which a permit is not required to carry a concealed handgun. This is sometimes called constitutional carry. Within the unrestricted category, there exists states that are fully unrestricted, where no permit is required for lawful open or concealed carry, and partially unrestricted, where certain forms of concealed carry may be legal without a permit, while other forms of carry may require a permit.
Among U.S. states, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas,[disputed] Idaho (residents only), Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Dakota (residents only; concealed carry only), Vermont, West Virginia[55] and Wyoming (residents only) are fully unrestricted, and allow those who are not prohibited from owning a firearm to carry a concealed firearm in any place not deemed off-limits by law without a permit. Idaho, North Dakota and Wyoming only extend permitless carry to residents of the state; non-residents must still have a permit issued by their home state to legally carry concealed in these states. Permitless concealed carry in Mississippi only covers certain manners of carrying; see table above. These states also allow the open carry of a handgun without a permit with the exception of North Dakota and certain localities in Missouri.
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Several states don't require any type of permit to carry a concealed weapon in public. If there's no permit to carry, there's definitely no permit to connect the guns to the owners.
ETA:
Congress currently has a bill going through the process (of course, heavily backed by the NRA) that will allow anyone who is allowed a gun in their home state to be allowed to carry in any other state. (Reciprocity).
This means, that if you live in one of the states that doesn't require a permit to carry a gun, you would be 100% legal to travel to NY and carry without a permit.
From what I know about Suffolk County - DHs permit is good for just Suffolk county. There may be Somehing to allow you to cross into Nassau (I could be wrong) but definitely not into the boros because it’s all different laws.
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GoldenRod
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Re: Question about guns
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by w8andsee
Posted by gina409
And as for
The Vegas shooter. Why is it ok for anyone to own 47 guns
Doesn't that set up a red flag??
I was told from a gun owner that there is no mass database of gun owners and what they own.
Also gun owners are against any such database because they are afraid if a gun gets banned, then the government will come at take it away.
That's just utter bullsh*t.
I have to show my license at the pharmacy to buy cold meds in case I'm trying to make meth, but one person can have 47 freaking guns and no one is tracking that. WTAF!!!!!
Is there really no Mass Gun Database? I have to ask DH about that. I know that he has his guns listed on his permit - I would imagine that the listing is saved in a database - not just printed on his permit and then discarded. Maybe it's different by state?
Every state is (very) different. NY is one of the strictest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
An unrestricted jurisdiction is one in which a permit is not required to carry a concealed handgun. This is sometimes called constitutional carry. Within the unrestricted category, there exists states that are fully unrestricted, where no permit is required for lawful open or concealed carry, and partially unrestricted, where certain forms of concealed carry may be legal without a permit, while other forms of carry may require a permit.
Among U.S. states, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas,[disputed] Idaho (residents only), Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Dakota (residents only; concealed carry only), Vermont, West Virginia[55] and Wyoming (residents only) are fully unrestricted, and allow those who are not prohibited from owning a firearm to carry a concealed firearm in any place not deemed off-limits by law without a permit. Idaho, North Dakota and Wyoming only extend permitless carry to residents of the state; non-residents must still have a permit issued by their home state to legally carry concealed in these states. Permitless concealed carry in Mississippi only covers certain manners of carrying; see table above. These states also allow the open carry of a handgun without a permit with the exception of North Dakota and certain localities in Missouri.
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Several states don't require any type of permit to carry a concealed weapon in public. If there's no permit to carry, there's definitely no permit to connect the guns to the owners.
ETA:
Congress currently has a bill going through the process (of course, heavily backed by the NRA) that will allow anyone who is allowed a gun in their home state to be allowed to carry in any other state. (Reciprocity).
This means, that if you live in one of the states that doesn't require a permit to carry a gun, you would be 100% legal to travel to NY and carry without a permit.
From what I know about Suffolk County - DHs permit is good for just Suffolk county. There may be Somehing to allow you to cross into Nassau (I could be wrong) but definitely not into the boros because it’s all different laws.
Currently.
This new bill is designed to override the local laws, and allow carrying across State lines, and other jurisdictions.
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PhyllisNJoe
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Re: Question about guns
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by w8andsee
Posted by gina409
And as for
The Vegas shooter. Why is it ok for anyone to own 47 guns
Doesn't that set up a red flag??
I was told from a gun owner that there is no mass database of gun owners and what they own.
Also gun owners are against any such database because they are afraid if a gun gets banned, then the government will come at take it away.
That's just utter bullsh*t.
I have to show my license at the pharmacy to buy cold meds in case I'm trying to make meth, but one person can have 47 freaking guns and no one is tracking that. WTAF!!!!!
Is there really no Mass Gun Database? I have to ask DH about that. I know that he has his guns listed on his permit - I would imagine that the listing is saved in a database - not just printed on his permit and then discarded. Maybe it's different by state?
Every state is (very) different. NY is one of the strictest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
An unrestricted jurisdiction is one in which a permit is not required to carry a concealed handgun. This is sometimes called constitutional carry. Within the unrestricted category, there exists states that are fully unrestricted, where no permit is required for lawful open or concealed carry, and partially unrestricted, where certain forms of concealed carry may be legal without a permit, while other forms of carry may require a permit.
Among U.S. states, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas,[disputed] Idaho (residents only), Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Dakota (residents only; concealed carry only), Vermont, West Virginia[55] and Wyoming (residents only) are fully unrestricted, and allow those who are not prohibited from owning a firearm to carry a concealed firearm in any place not deemed off-limits by law without a permit. Idaho, North Dakota and Wyoming only extend permitless carry to residents of the state; non-residents must still have a permit issued by their home state to legally carry concealed in these states. Permitless concealed carry in Mississippi only covers certain manners of carrying; see table above. These states also allow the open carry of a handgun without a permit with the exception of North Dakota and certain localities in Missouri.
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Several states don't require any type of permit to carry a concealed weapon in public. If there's no permit to carry, there's definitely no permit to connect the guns to the owners.
ETA:
Congress currently has a bill going through the process (of course, heavily backed by the NRA) that will allow anyone who is allowed a gun in their home state to be allowed to carry in any other state. (Reciprocity).
This means, that if you live in one of the states that doesn't require a permit to carry a gun, you would be 100% legal to travel to NY and carry without a permit.
From what I know about Suffolk County - DHs permit is good for just Suffolk county. There may be Somehing to allow you to cross into Nassau (I could be wrong) but definitely not into the boros because it’s all different laws.
Currently.
This new bill is designed to override the local laws, and allow carrying across State lines, and other jurisdictions.
That doesn’t seem necessary at all. I mean, I can see for cash carry reasons - maybe. But for anybody and everybody, you’re just asking for it.
I’ve been saying all along, I wish they would have to make you renew your permit every few years. New background check, mental check, etc. someone who was totally sane 10 years ago can go totally insane today. Not even just becauae of psychological issues .. but what about a brain tumor? Changes people. accident with severe head trauma ? Changes people. So many things can cause a totally sane person to become a maniac.
There needs to be follow up , renewal testing.
As we know, that won’t help the illegal gun problems (which are HUGE) but one step at a time I guess
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