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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by NervousNell
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Yes, I'm surprised they glazed over it also! I think that sends a weird message, like special education is something to be "secretive" about. Inclusion is all about acceptance and understanding, so that would turn me off! It's a great learning opportunity for the children that there are others that are different than them, learn differently, etc., but we can all be accepting of them, and help them if need be.
I think it's moreso the way some parents act regarding the inclusion class. They think any child with an IEP is a social pariah and don't want their precious children near them.
Exactly... my friend showed me what was posted on her local moms FB group page, some of these mothers are disgusting with the things they said about these inclusion classrooms. Her kid was supposed to go in the inclusion class and one mother was complaining on the FB group page, saying she was pissed her her little Johnny who is so smart and well behaved was going into a class with kids that are "wild and slow" something like that. So awful. Hurts to see as a mom of a special needs kid.
and we why wonder why we are raising a generation of brats and bullies. Because they are being raised by parents who are utter and complete assholes. That's why.
Can't blame the kids. It's the asshole parents.
I really hate society sometimes.
Seriously!! I never thought that inclusion classes were looked down upon till I read one post on the parents of school aged children site. I was annoyed and upset. I was thrown for a loop completely. My view on inclusion classes has always been positive since my son qualified for one when he was 3 he is now 5. I only see benefits of them. I think some parents are annoyed that their child may not get as much attention as the ones with IEPs or special needs which is not true at all. We should be teaching our kids to be accepting of all kids with all needs.
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by islandersgirl74
So what determines whether a child is put into an inclusion class or a regular class? Is it that they mainly have focusing issues, learning disabilities, speech delays??? Just trying to understand what the criteria might be. I'm sure it does vary from each district.
I can only speak for my DS, but his speech delay doesn't change how he processes or learns. I was worried about teachers understanding him, but I've only been told that he sometimes has to repeat himself, but otherwise it's fine. For him, the least restrictive path is being in a mainstream classroom and is pulled for 10 mins a day, during a time the teacher feels isn't needed. Sometimes his speech pathogist will push into his classroom as well. I'm sure I could fight for him to be in the inclusion classroom, but until I see him struggling or his teacher feels he needs more hands on assistance, he will stay in mainstream classes. We have only come across 1 child being a little crap about his speech, and after meeting the mother, it was very clear why the daughter was so awful. That would be another reason I would request the inclusion classes down the line.
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
My kids are now in 7th and 9th but just want to say that we loved our DOE ICT classes. Both are gen ed students but there were years including this one that I specifically requested them to be in ICT. Also my girls are very sensitive and kind and never had issues.
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mnmsoinlove
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by islandersgirl74
So what determines whether a child is put into an inclusion class or a regular class? Is it that they mainly have focusing issues, learning disabilities, speech delays??? Just trying to understand what the criteria might be. I'm sure it does vary from each district.
It could really be anything. The district will have likely done an evaluation of the child or the child has a diagnosis from a doctor. My dd has an iep and is in an inclusion class because she has a medical diagnosis and has fine motor delays. She needs help with writing and fine motor skills. It really depends every child has different needs and difficulties. I was hoping my younger dd would end up in an inclusion class because the amount of attention kids receive in an inclusion class. My dd class had 12 iep kids in K, 1st and now in 2nd. There has never been any negative issues arise.
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
there are many children who have IEPs who do not need to be in an Inclusion or self contained class. If a student has a hearing impairment or gets OT they will have an IEP but it doesn't mean they can't succeed in a general ed class.
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DaisyGirl
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by islandersgirl74
So what determines whether a child is put into an inclusion class or a regular class? Is it that they mainly have focusing issues, learning disabilities, speech delays??? Just trying to understand what the criteria might be. I'm sure it does vary from each district.
The determination to go into an inclusion class is done through CSE (Committee on Special Education) which will look to see:
1. If the child has a disability that is impacting his/her learning and
2. What program would best meet their needs in the least restrictive (most mainstream) environment
Children who have IEPs can have a wide variety of services from related services (speech, OT, PT) only, Resource Room, ICT (inclusion), self contained, and out of district placement. What services they get depend on the needs of the child. In theory, it shouldn't vary too much from district to district but I'm sure it does.
Children in inclusion classes should be able to keep up with the general education curriculum with the accommodations provided by the special ed teacher. They should not have behavioral problems.
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DaisyGirl
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by BargainMama
Yes, I'm surprised they glazed over it also! I think that sends a weird message, like special education is something to be "secretive" about. Inclusion is all about acceptance and understanding, so that would turn me off! It's a great learning opportunity for the children that there are others that are different than them, learn differently, etc., but we can all be accepting of them, and help them if need be.
I wish all parents had your attitude. I have taught ICT as the special education teacher and we do usually glaze over it at back to school night. We are open that there are two teachers but we don't specifically state that it is an inclusion class in front of everyone. All the parents know that it is but it feels awkward to say it. I never want to make the parents of the special ed kids feel put on the spot or like everyone is looking around, trying to figure out whose kids are the special ed ones.
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Disneygirl17
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
My oldest happens to be in an inclusion class. It's just the way the chips fell. If she needs the help, it's right there for her. Yes I was a bit annoyed until a teacher friend explained it to me. But I never once said it thought the kids would be "wild and slow" that's just horrible, ignorance and antiquated thinking. So far she loves her class
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Hopefulmama
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by islandersgirl74
So what determines whether a child is put into an inclusion class or a regular class? Is it that they mainly have focusing issues, learning disabilities, speech delays??? Just trying to understand what the criteria might be. I'm sure it does vary from each district.
My son who is in the ICT in K with an IEP has an average IQ, but has fine motor issues that affect his ability to complete tasks. He is also very easily distracted and benefits from the presence of an extra staff person to stay on task. His typical brother is in the same class and does not have an IEP. Looking at the two of them, you would not be able to k ow who has the IEP. Ironically my child with the IEP has a better grasp on letters, numbers, etc than his brother. A child whose needs are more significant is going to be placed in a self contained special ed class. There really isn't anything for a parent of a typical child/genius to worry about ;).
The teachers also kind of glazed over it at the first meeting. They said something like "This is an ICT class with special education and general education students and if you have questions about that we can talk about it at another time."
You could some parents' eyes bulge out of their head at the mention of special ed students sitting there amongst their own.
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islandersgirl74
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
What's the difference between an inclusion class and an integrated class? My daughter is in an integrated pre-k class. You can't tell which kids have ieps and which don't. Most of the kids with the ieps really just have speech or attentions problems. , no behavioral issues. Just just trying to understand the difference.
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BargainMama
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by Hopefulmama
Posted by islandersgirl74
You could some parents' eyes bulge out of their head at the mention of special ed students sitting there amongst their own.
People are seriously disgusting.
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mnmsoinlove
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by BargainMama
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Posted by islandersgirl74
You could some parents' eyes bulge out of their head at the mention of special ed students sitting there amongst their own.
People are seriously disgusting.
They really are! I had people complain to me about the co-lab class not knowing my dd has an IEP. I've had one of them tell me they requested their child not be put in that class because they want their child in a normal class. Another mom told me they think the kids in there should be in a self contained class because it isn't fair to the rest of the kids.
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BargainMama
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by mnmsoinlove
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by Hopefulmama
Posted by islandersgirl74
You could some parents' eyes bulge out of their head at the mention of special ed students sitting there amongst their own.
People are seriously disgusting.
They really are! I had people complain to me about the co-lab class not knowing my dd has an IEP. I've had one of them tell me they requested their child not be put in that class because they want their child in a normal class. Another mom told me they think the kids in there should be in a self contained class because it isn't fair to the rest of the kids.
That is just so wrong! Meanwhile, the inclusion class that my DD was in last year had SO many behavior problems from the general ed kids, not the special education ones!
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Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
I am the general ed half of the inclusion classroom at the high school level. In my opinion, it can only be a positive experience for everyone. Varied methods of instruction to reach everyone, an extra set of eyes and hands, small group instruction is possible, and you have two people who teach about their two life experiences. I think it is a total 100% positive thing for students to see two people who work so well together, we eventually finished each other's sentences.
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KarenK122
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by lightblue
Posted by Katareen
Posted by BargainMama
Yes, I'm surprised they glazed over it also! I think that sends a weird message, like special education is something to be "secretive" about. Inclusion is all about acceptance and understanding, so that would turn me off! It's a great learning opportunity for the children that there are others that are different than them, learn differently, etc., but we can all be accepting of them, and help them if need be.
I think it's moreso the way some parents act regarding the inclusion class. They think any child with an IEP is a social pariah and don't want their precious children near them.
Exactly... my friend showed me what was posted on her local moms FB group page, some of these mothers are disgusting with the things they said about these inclusion classrooms. Her kid was supposed to go in the inclusion class and one mother was complaining on the FB group page, saying she was pissed her her little Johnny who is so smart and well behaved was going into a class with kids that are "wild and slow" something like that. So awful. Hurts to see as a mom of a special needs kid.
and we wonder why we are raising a generation of brats and bullies. Because they are being raised by parents who are utter and complete assholes. That's why.
Can't blame the kids. It's the asshole parents.
I really hate society sometimes.
Exactly! I can not tell you how many times parents have told their child not to play with mine because they didn't want to be known as the "friend" of the autistic girl. Even when the kids got along great, how the parents would make up excuses not to have play dates. I would hear them all talk about her because they didn't know she was mine (she is Chinese and I am not). It is pathetic and it's not just one of two parents, it's a whole load of them. The minority are the ones that are accepting and willing to foster friendships.
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by lightblue
Posted by Katareen
Posted by BargainMama
Yes, I'm surprised they glazed over it also! I think that sends a weird message, like special education is something to be "secretive" about. Inclusion is all about acceptance and understanding, so that would turn me off! It's a great learning opportunity for the children that there are others that are different than them, learn differently, etc., but we can all be accepting of them, and help them if need be.
I think it's moreso the way some parents act regarding the inclusion class. They think any child with an IEP is a social pariah and don't want their precious children near them.
Exactly... my friend showed me what was posted on her local moms FB group page, some of these mothers are disgusting with the things they said about these inclusion classrooms. Her kid was supposed to go in the inclusion class and one mother was complaining on the FB group page, saying she was pissed her her little Johnny who is so smart and well behaved was going into a class with kids that are "wild and slow" something like that. So awful. Hurts to see as a mom of a special needs kid.
and we wonder why we are raising a generation of brats and bullies. Because they are being raised by parents who are utter and complete assholes. That's why.
Can't blame the kids. It's the asshole parents.
I really hate society sometimes.
Exactly! I can not tell you how many times parents have told their child not to play with mine because they didn't want to be known as the "friend" of the autistic girl. Even when the kids got along great, how the parents would make up excuses not to have play dates. I would hear them all talk about her because they didn't know she was mine (she is Chinese and I am not). It is pathetic and it's not just one of two parents, it's a whole load of them. The minority are the ones that are accepting and willing to foster friendships.
Ugh that is so sad. And makes me worry for my own son. 
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
My daughter had an IEP for K & 1 and they told me they would try to put her in the inclusion class but it never happened. I was disappointed. She herself didn't qualify for the inclusion class because her issues were speed and OT but she struggles academically as well and I thought she could benefit from 2 adults being in the room.
I think that most parents who are unaware of what the inclusion class is for automatically assume that it is for children that have behavioral issues. I think that is what causes parents to become alarmed when they hear that their child is in the inclusion class.
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NervousNell
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Re: Question about IEPS and Inclusion Classrooms
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by lightblue
Posted by Katareen
Posted by BargainMama
Yes, I'm surprised they glazed over it also! I think that sends a weird message, like special education is something to be "secretive" about. Inclusion is all about acceptance and understanding, so that would turn me off! It's a great learning opportunity for the children that there are others that are different than them, learn differently, etc., but we can all be accepting of them, and help them if need be.
I think it's moreso the way some parents act regarding the inclusion class. They think any child with an IEP is a social pariah and don't want their precious children near them.
Exactly... my friend showed me what was posted on her local moms FB group page, some of these mothers are disgusting with the things they said about these inclusion classrooms. Her kid was supposed to go in the inclusion class and one mother was complaining on the FB group page, saying she was pissed her her little Johnny who is so smart and well behaved was going into a class with kids that are "wild and slow" something like that. So awful. Hurts to see as a mom of a special needs kid.
and we wonder why we are raising a generation of brats and bullies. Because they are being raised by parents who are utter and complete assholes. That's why.
Can't blame the kids. It's the asshole parents.
I really hate society sometimes.
Exactly! I can not tell you how many times parents have told their child not to play with mine because they didn't want to be known as the "friend" of the autistic girl. Even when the kids got along great, how the parents would make up excuses not to have play dates. I would hear them all talk about her because they didn't know she was mine (she is Chinese and I am not). It is pathetic and it's not just one of two parents, it's a whole load of them. The minority are the ones that are accepting and willing to foster friendships.
I don't understand how as a human, let alone a PARENT, you can act that way!
Having a child has made me even MORE sensitive to others, their feelings etc. I always always always instill in my daughter that she should never leave anyone out, that she should play with everyone and that if she sees a child who is alone or doesn't have many friends, she should befriend them.
Because you know what, I know how I would feel if my DD as left out or bullied, so how can I encourage her to do that to another child and parent?
How parents can tell their children to stay away from other children because they are "different' is beyond me. And truly truly disgusting.
Bullying and racism and a million other disgusting things will NEVER go away as long as their are assholes like that raising kids.
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