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kerrycec03
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spinoff to "organic" stuff
Ok, just curious. Do you think the fact that kids today have more allergies than kids 10-15-30 years ago could be attributed to the fact that we are overcautious?
What I mean is kids had plastic bottles, didnt' eat organic, used generic items in their households, had toxic cleaners, etc and still have less allergies than kids today?
Do think making kids tooo sterile in fact harms them?
I personally feel that being overlycautious and too sterile and too organic can harm a kid. Hey, we all ate dirt as a kid and we've all seen kids drop food and pick it up and eat it again, and yet now we're trying to make sure everything our future children touch or ingest is "safe and ok"???? I mean you could drive yourself nuts reading every label, researching too much, etc.
I'm not trying to upset anybody. I know different strokes for different folks. I'm extremely more laid back in this department than most, but the last couple of posts really got me thinking.
I'm all about protecting my future child, but within limits.
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
I totally agree...my kid will eat dirt, put a binky in his mouth that dropped on the floor, have his face licked by my three dogs (at times, even simultaneously) and I am sure he will grow up just fine.
Similiar concept to why "superbugs" have developed that are immune to antibiotics, b/c docs were overcautious and gave antibiotics for ever cough and sniffle....
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
it's not the organic stuff....
allergies are a western 'industrialized world' thing... while there is likely a genetic component, it has been well known for decades that kids growing up in less sterile environments (less clean water, playing in less than sanitary environments, such as in the 3rd world) almost NEVER get allergies.
It has been concluded that allergies develop becuase a baby/toddler's immune system is understimulated. It's due to parents lysoling their entire home down, and using anti-bacterial soaps and cleaners throughout the house. sure, the kids don't get sick, but they're SUPPOSED TO get sick! Since the immune system doesn't 'see' enough bugs to ilicit a normal immune response, it becomes 'bored' and begins to respond to things it 'sees' that it shouldn't normally respond to... such as pollen, dust....
If you keep a kid stuck indoors with lots of dust or a smoker, the kid will be even MORE likely to develop allergies.
so, in a way, YES, it is due to parents being over cautious...but not with organic foods or with chemicals... just by being hyper clean and not letting junior play in the mud 
I should add that while I'm 'organic mom', there is a strict rule in our home of NO anti-microbial hand soaps or cleaners... our home is NOT sterile by any stretch.... and that's purposeful
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randella
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
I don't know about the sterility of a home, or how parents "parent", but as a whole-- I do believe that we are ingesting many more chemicals than previous generations.
With the whole organic thing-- that has blown up over the last few years, and I believe there has been an increase of allergies with kids for longer than that. So, I am not sure of the correlation.
I have been reading Skinny B!tch, Bun in the Oven-- excuse the title, it's just meant to shock. Now, I read Skinny B!tch also-- and the books say a lot of the same things. They do promote an organic only vegan lifestyle, but it is an eye opening read. In the pregnancy one, they cite many different studies, articles, etc. that uncover a lot of the bad things that are in our foods and other products. A lot of these chemicals have been known to cause a battery of health problems that may not affect your baby-- but may affect them when they are an adult.
One example that I recently read-- look at how many of us have IBS... Who had IBS years ago?? This is something that is SO common now, but wasn't in our parents generation. Who knows the cause, but it has to be something we are putting in our bodies, or something our mothers were putting in our bodies while our organs were forming.
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
I honestly think we're more of a "medical" society now, we know more so therefore things that went undiagnosed years ago are now being diagnosed...I think thats part of the reason we're seeing "more" allergies...I also grew up where my mom was terrified of me ever getting sick, she would be insane about it, and lo and behold, I grew up with the worst immune system ever, I catch everything, and she totally thinks its bc she didn't expose me to things that I needed exposure to!!!
I definitely also think there are more toxins and cr*p being put into certain things that I will stay away from, that years ago we didn't have the technology to do so, so for those things I will be cautious!!!
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
I thnk that these days we use antibacterial products such as lysol, hand sanitizer and soaps wayyyyyyy to often and therfore we are basically breeding stronger strains of bacteria that are harder to kill with our current antibiotics. At teh same time our kids immune systems aren't as strong as they use to be.
We currently don't and won't be using antibacterial soaps, hand sanitizers and lysol products in our house because of this.
As for organic foods and plastics etc. 30+ years ago kids didn't have as many toys as children have today. Many of them were made out of wood nd didn't contain as much palstics. I also feel that inteh last 30+ years we have become more dependent on chemicals and chemical by products that leach chemicals all around us. My house was built 110 years ago out of wood, concrete and plaster. These days houses are built out of pressure treated wood (which is know to be highly toxic) different types of insulation that leach chemicals, press board, and sheetrock all of which are artificailly made. This is just an example of the differences in materials 100 years ago.........I definitely believe that the increase in use of artifical materials and substances have increased allergy and asthma rates in kids.
I'm an asthmatic and am HIGHLY sensitive to chemicals. I can't use normal cleaning chemicals in my house or I get an asthma attack. The fumes from new carpeting or construction make me sick immediately. Now not everyone is affected this severely but to me it is obvious that there is somethign in teh enviroment that my body does not tolerate adn therefore I will try and minimize my childs exposure to these chemicals the best I can at home because they will be exposed to it so much more in the outside world.
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MrsFlatbread
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
Posted by randella
I don't know about the sterility of a home, or how parents "parent", but as a whole-- I do believe that we are ingesting many more chemicals than previous generations.
With the whole organic thing-- that has blown up over the last few years, and I believe there has been an increase of allergies with kids for longer than that. So, I am not sure of the correlation.
I have been reading Skinny B!tch, Bun in the Oven-- excuse the title, it's just meant to shock. Now, I read Skinny B!tch also-- and the books say a lot of the same things. They do promote an organic only vegan lifestyle, but it is an eye opening read. In the pregnancy one, they cite many different studies, articles, etc. that uncover a lot of the bad things that are in our foods and other products. A lot of these chemicals have been known to cause a battery of health problems that may not affect your baby-- but may affect them when they are an adult.
One example that I recently read-- look at how many of us have IBS... Who had IBS years ago?? This is something that is SO common now, but wasn't in our parents generation. Who knows the cause, but it has to be something we are putting in our bodies, or something our mothers were putting in our bodies while our organs were forming.
Randi, I also think that since technology has advanced so much over the years, we are able to detect more things now than before...after all the Pap Smear was designed to test for cervical changes brought on by the HPV virus, although they did not know what the HPV virus was back then...they know now...you know what I mean???
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wannabemom
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
Posted by randella
One example that I recently read-- look at how many of us have IBS... Who had IBS years ago?? This is something that is SO common now, but wasn't in our parents generation. Who knows the cause, but it has to be something we are putting in our bodies, or something our mothers were putting in our bodies while our organs were forming.
yeah, IBS and other autoimmune diseases erupt much the same as allergies do. the only difference is that the immune system attacks your own body (IBS, rheumatoid arthritis, MS) rather than an external harmless object (pollen, dust).
to mrs flatbread and her mini pita getting proper exposure to dirt!
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
Posted by MrsFlatbread
Posted by randella
I don't know about the sterility of a home, or how parents "parent", but as a whole-- I do believe that we are ingesting many more chemicals than previous generations.
With the whole organic thing-- that has blown up over the last few years, and I believe there has been an increase of allergies with kids for longer than that. So, I am not sure of the correlation.
I have been reading Skinny B!tch, Bun in the Oven-- excuse the title, it's just meant to shock. Now, I read Skinny B!tch also-- and the books say a lot of the same things. They do promote an organic only vegan lifestyle, but it is an eye opening read. In the pregnancy one, they cite many different studies, articles, etc. that uncover a lot of the bad things that are in our foods and other products. A lot of these chemicals have been known to cause a battery of health problems that may not affect your baby-- but may affect them when they are an adult.
One example that I recently read-- look at how many of us have IBS... Who had IBS years ago?? This is something that is SO common now, but wasn't in our parents generation. Who knows the cause, but it has to be something we are putting in our bodies, or something our mothers were putting in our bodies while our organs were forming.
Randi, I also think that since technology has advanced so much over the years, we are able to detect more things now than before...after all the Pap Smear was designed to test for cervical changes brought on by the HPV virus, although they did not know what the HPV virus was back then...they know now...you know what I mean???
Ditto! See my above post, exactly your thought!!!
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MrsFlatbread
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
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to mrs flatbread and her mini pita getting proper exposure to dirt!
I just took a bow...thank you!
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randella
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
Posted by MrsFlatbread
Randi, I also think that since technology has advanced so much over the years, we are able to detect more things now than before...after all the Pap Smear was designed to test for cervical changes brought on by the HPV virus, although they did not know what the HPV virus was back then...they know now...you know what I mean???
I do agree that we can diagnose a lot more things now-- but I still think that there is some validity to what we put into our bodies affects how our bodies perform.
It's really a chicken and egg thing-- are there more heath problems now because we can diagnose, or are there more health problems because of what we are putting in and on our bodies?
There definitely needs to be a lot of research done-- but as someone posted in the other thread, large companies, and the like, carry a lot of weight with what is approved or communicated to the public. They are more in control than you think. It's just something to think about.
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
Posted by kerrycec03
Ok, just curious. Do you think the fact that kids today have more allergies than kids 10-15-30 years ago could be attributed to the fact that we are overcautious?
What I mean is kids had plastic bottles, didnt' eat organic, used generic items in their households, had toxic cleaners, etc and still have less allergies than kids today?
Do think making kids tooo sterile in fact harms them?
I personally feel that being overlycautious and too sterile and too organic can harm a kid. Hey, we all ate dirt as a kid and we've all seen kids drop food and pick it up and eat it again, and yet now we're trying to make sure everything our future children touch or ingest is "safe and ok"???? I mean you could drive yourself nuts reading every label, researching too much, etc.
I'm not trying to upset anybody. I know different strokes for different folks. I'm extremely more laid back in this department than most, but the last couple of posts really got me thinking.
I'm all about protecting my future child, but within limits.
IMO these are totally different things. Dirt, germs etc are totally different than toxic chemicals. I am no germpphobe. I have two large(80+ lb) dogs that will be in my house and around my kids.
ETA: We do not use antibacterial procucts either. I (knock on wood) have not been REALLY sick since I was like 8. Seriously. I actually had to be on immune suppressants in the beginning of my pregnancy because of my hypervigilant immune system
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
Posted by MrsFlatbread
I totally agree...my kid will eat dirt, put a binky in his mouth that dropped on the floor, have his face licked by my three dogs (at times, even simultaneously) and I am sure he will grow up just fine.
I'm with you on that!
But I do buy organic fruits and veggies most of the time and I buy no hormone/antibiotic meats and dairy products.
I'm not 100% but I try to best when I can. What they put IN food and spray ON food makes me really nervous...where my children are concerned.
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
Kerry, I completely and totally agree. While I do think that some of the chemicals and preservatives used today help contribute to the problem, I also think being "overly cautious" while pregnant can be problematic as well.
I had a student in my class last year with a SEVERE peanut allergy. I spoke with his mom, also a teacher in my building, and she said she was kicking herself for listening to her Dr., who had told her that under NO circumstances was she to ingest ANY nuts or nut products while pregnant, because that could contribute to her unborn child having severe allergies.
Needless to say, I eat about 3 PB&Js a week.
I actually think it's VERY important to expose our kids to a variety of foods while they are in utero. I don't deny myself ANYTHING. The only think I'm cautious with is the cold cuts--I don't feel that we can always trust where they are coming from. But I do have them sometimes.
I don't know...I believe that the placenta is an amazing filter--I've learned that since having to be on painkillers this pregnancy. Sure, some of what we ingest goes right to the baby, but not nearly in the concentrations that we believe they do.
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
I agree in the aspect of exposing our kids to certain "germs." I think that they do need exposure to create their own antibodies and decrease the need for external medicine to remedy the problem.
As for "organic" stuff, I personally use the cleaning products because after cleaning my bathroom one Saturday morning my lungs were BURNING. I thought that "this cannot be good." I have since switched over to all natural and do not have the same problems.
I'm not sure if this is on point to the OP, but there is definitely a difference between exposure to germs and using organic stuff. I am going to clean my house in either case I would just rather not use chemicals to do it.
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
I do agree - but I think I see it a little differently - the antibacterial thing drives me nuts, its one of my pet peeves. Using all these prodcuts is making bacteria more resistant, which in turn is going to make us sicker and harder to treat. I refuse to use antibacterial products. A good wash of the hands with soap and water is all thats is needed.
As for the IBS thing - I think the reason you see that more now than in previous generations is because it was just not called anything in previous generations, it was called a sensitive stomach or something like that. My GI doc has a theory of why it is so much more common in women - that as little girls we are taught to go to the bathroom in public restrooms is gross and hence, hold it in for too long. He thinks that is a contributing factor.
ETA: I use a lot of green products and t ry to buy organic, but thats more for environmental reasons than health reasons.
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
I like using organic products, and will be getting a lot of organic products for baby. I will be breast feeding, and then will use organic food. I'm getting organic mattresses and sheets, and some but not all organic clothes. I'll be using organic bath products, but not sure which one yet.
On the other hand, I'm not a germ-o-phobe in any way. My house is clean enough, but not overly clean, I have 2 dogs and they are always licking me and all over everything, my parents have 2 labs and it's the same there. I won't stop my kid from getting dirty, or being a normal kid, and don't want to overmedicate the baby with antibiotics--will use when necessary, but I don't want to be the kind of parent that is popping medicine into my kid at the slightest sign of anything. I try to be that way myself, and I don't get sick very often, and when I do, I get over it quickly. Oh- the one exception for DD--although I never use the antibacterial stuff, I'm thinking of using it just for the first few weeks when she is born. I know it can be very bad if she gets sick that early, and I think a lot of people will want to come see her early on, especially cause it will be around the holidays. So, I will be trying to avoid germs those first few weeks, but after a month or so, I'll be back to normal.
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
Posted by wannabemom
it's not the organic stuff....
allergies are a western 'industrialized world' thing... while there is likely a genetic component, it has been well known for decades that kids growing up in less sterile environments (less clean water, playing in less than sanitary environments, such as in the 3rd world) almost NEVER get allergies.
It has been concluded that allergies develop becuase a baby/toddler's immune system is understimulated. It's due to parents lysoling their entire home down, and using anti-bacterial soaps and cleaners throughout the house. sure, the kids don't get sick, but they're SUPPOSED TO get sick! Since the immune system doesn't 'see' enough bugs to ilicit a normal immune response, it becomes 'bored' and begins to respond to things it 'sees' that it shouldn't normally respond to... such as pollen, dust....
If you keep a kid stuck indoors with lots of dust or a smoker, the kid will be even MORE likely to develop allergies.
so, in a way, YES, it is due to parents being over cautious...but not with organic foods or with chemicals... just by being hyper clean and not letting junior play in the mud
I should add that while I'm 'organic mom', there is a strict rule in our home of NO anti-microbial hand soaps or cleaners... our home is NOT sterile by any stretch.... and that's purposeful
ITA with all of the above. We also use Vinegar to discinfect, and do not bleach everything or use Lysol (I stopped using Lysol years ago when my mom's oncologist told her NOT to have it in the house as a recovering cancer patient), and I let him get "dirty." The ingestion of chemicals via the skin, food, etc has more to do with the toxidity and the levels of toxins in the body. Also, research has suggested that the more toxins in the body the less the ability the body has to perform even the most basic functions, such as absorbing nutrition and eliminating waste. Since the immune system is also closely related to the digestive system, I think this has a lot to do with why we choose to go organic for DS & for us.
Allergies are a completely different arena, and are not immune driven (from what I have been told my various medical professionals).
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
Posted by chelle
Posted by MrsFlatbread
I totally agree...my kid will eat dirt, put a binky in his mouth that dropped on the floor, have his face licked by my three dogs (at times, even simultaneously) and I am sure he will grow up just fine.
I'm with you on that!
But I do buy organic fruits and veggies most of the time and I buy no hormone/antibiotic meats and dairy products.
I'm not 100% but I try to best when I can. What they put IN food and spray ON food makes me really nervous...where my children are concerned.
Same here- I especially worry about the hormones in milk and meat
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
to a point.. yes babies back then used plastic bottles, but the plastic bottles were made differently than today. Alot of stuff today is recycled and that changes the compounds of the plastic.
When my father was a baby, he drank out of a beer bottle with a nipple on it.. glass not plastic.
I see points to things but then you really go back and think about the past.. the animals were not injected with all these extra hormones back in the day, and produce werent spraid with pesticides.. so all natural.
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
Posted by CkGm
Posted by chelle
Posted by MrsFlatbread
I totally agree...my kid will eat dirt, put a binky in his mouth that dropped on the floor, have his face licked by my three dogs (at times, even simultaneously) and I am sure he will grow up just fine.
I'm with you on that!
But I do buy organic fruits and veggies most of the time and I buy no hormone/antibiotic meats and dairy products.
I'm not 100% but I try to best when I can. What they put IN food and spray ON food makes me really nervous...where my children are concerned.
Same here- I especially worry about the hormones in milk and meat
ITA also.
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Re: spinoff to "organic" stuff
Posted by wannabemom
it's not the organic stuff....
allergies are a western 'industrialized world' thing... while there is likely a genetic component, it has been well known for decades that kids growing up in less sterile environments (less clean water, playing in less than sanitary environments, such as in the 3rd world) almost NEVER get allergies.
It has been concluded that allergies develop becuase a baby/toddler's immune system is understimulated. It's due to parents lysoling their entire home down, and using anti-bacterial soaps and cleaners throughout the house. sure, the kids don't get sick, but they're SUPPOSED TO get sick! Since the immune system doesn't 'see' enough bugs to ilicit a normal immune response, it becomes 'bored' and begins to respond to things it 'sees' that it shouldn't normally respond to... such as pollen, dust....
If you keep a kid stuck indoors with lots of dust or a smoker, the kid will be even MORE likely to develop allergies.
so, in a way, YES, it is due to parents being over cautious...but not with organic foods or with chemicals... just by being hyper clean and not letting junior play in the mud
I should add that while I'm 'organic mom', there is a strict rule in our home of NO anti-microbial hand soaps or cleaners... our home is NOT sterile by any stretch.... and that's purposeful
I totally agree. i'm all for dirt and grim and whatever. my dh used to be one of those kids who got antibiotics for everything and was sick ALL the time. i never took anything and was never sick. since he's been with me and hasn't taken anything for the little things, he's actually been very healthy.
organic is a totally different story for me - more environmental and choosing not to put extra chemicals in your body (the same way i choose to do that by not taking excess medication). plus i think a lot of the organic stuff tastes better and is made better (less sugar, etc.).
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