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LadyMaravilla
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Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
He argued that if a pregnant woman can choose among abortion, adoption or raising a child, a man involved in an unintended pregnancy should have the choice of declining the financial responsibilities of fatherhood.
Do, you think he has a valid point?
Court Rejects Roe Vs. Wade For Men
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Posted 11/8/07 11:24 AM  |
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Lisa
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Re: Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
A man ALWAYS has a choice not to pay for a child....I dont see why this is even a issue. There are plenty of "dead-beat" dads/fathers out there!!
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| Posted 11/8/07 11:38 AM |
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headoverheels
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Re: Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
Posted by Lisa
A man ALWAYS has a choice not to pay for a child....I dont see why this is even a issue. There are plenty of "dead-beat" dads/fathers out there!!
yes, but if the mother wanted to, she could take him to court, sue, and have his wages garnished. to not pay child support is illegal, plain and simple.
i am not sure how i feel about it... if it is true that this man was coerced into having a child, that's one thing, but where was his sense of responsibilty? he was perfectly capable of putting a condom on if he really didn't want a child. yes, she may have violated his trust, but as a man, having sex, he had to know that the responsibility can't be hers 100%. what if she really truly thought she couldn't have kids and this was a lucky surprise?
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| Posted 11/8/07 11:42 AM |
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Phyl
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Re: Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
Posted by Lisa
A man ALWAYS has a choice not to pay for a child....I dont see why this is even a issue. There are plenty of "dead-beat" dads/fathers out there!!
Yes there are. My XH is one of the biggest DBD's in OC! I wouldn't be surprised if his picture in posted in the Post Offices!
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| Posted 11/8/07 11:44 AM |
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Shelly
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Re: Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
Well the man can CHOOSE to use a condom in the first place, so it will be a non-issue. The woman can't make the baby all on her own.
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| Posted 11/8/07 11:44 AM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
I would say he does have a right to choose. He can choose to be responsible for the birth control prior to conception.
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| Posted 11/8/07 11:54 AM |
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~Colleen~
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Re: Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
Posted by nrthshgrl
I would say he does have a right to choose. He can choose to be responsible for the birth control prior to conception.
But doesn't that argument work for those opposing Roe v Wade (for women)? "She could have chosen to be responsible prior to having sex instead of choosing an abortion afterwards".
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| Posted 11/8/07 11:57 AM |
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Kara
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Posted by Shelly
Well the man can CHOOSE to use a condom in the first place, so it will be a non-issue. The woman can't make the baby all on her own.
That same woman could choose not to have sex with that man without a condom, too, couldn't she?
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| Posted 11/8/07 12:08 PM |
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pinkandblue
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Re: Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
I just want to add that I am 100% pro choice but I always found it un-nerving that it is really up to the woman whether to have the baby, give it up for adoption or abort...and the father has no say in that, I do not think that is right .
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| Posted 11/8/07 12:43 PM |
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ETAB
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Re: Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
Posted by Kara
Posted by Shelly
Well the man can CHOOSE to use a condom in the first place, so it will be a non-issue. The woman can't make the baby all on her own.
That same woman could choose not to have sex with that man without a condom, too, couldn't she?
I agree. I never really thought of it that way .
Well another thing is men have 9 months to decide how they will support this baby financially, basically if the man wants nothing to do with the child all he really needs to do is pay child support. a woman's body and life is changing from day one so she has more of a right to decide since 9 out of 10 times she will be the main support for that child.
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| Posted 11/8/07 12:46 PM |
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MrsS2005
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Re: Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
Posted by stephanief
I just want to add that I am 100% pro choice but I always found it un-nerving that it is really up to the woman whether to have the baby, give it up for adoption or abort...and the father has no say in that, I do not think that is right .
I see what you're saying, but since the woman is the one carrying the baby, the father shouldn't have the right to force her to have the baby or to abort. It would be nice if the father's opinion was taken into consideration, but ultimately it should be the woman's decision.
I agree with the court's decision. Once the woman makes the decision to have the baby, it's no longer a mother's rights vs. father's rights issue. It should be about the best interest of the child. Children shouldn't suffer b/c their fathers didn't want kids or didn't want to financially support them.
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| Posted 11/8/07 1:07 PM |
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DancinBarefoot
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Re: Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
Posted by ~Colleen~
Posted by nrthshgrl
I would say he does have a right to choose. He can choose to be responsible for the birth control prior to conception.
But doesn't that argument work for those opposing Roe v Wade (for women)? "She could have chosen to be responsible prior to having sex instead of choosing an abortion afterwards".
The abortion opponents have been arguing that abortion should not be another form of birth control.
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| Posted 11/8/07 1:22 PM |
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Re: Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
Posted by DancinBarefoo
The abortion opponents have been arguing that abortion should not be another form of birth control.
It shouldn't be.
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| Posted 11/8/07 1:30 PM |
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~Colleen~
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Re: Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
Posted by DancinBarefoot
The abortion opponents have been arguing that abortion should not be another form of birth control.
They have been arguing that it shouldn't be a choice period. They don't have criteria.
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| Posted 11/8/07 1:38 PM |
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Whamtastic
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Re: Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by stephanief
I just want to add that I am 100% pro choice but I always found it un-nerving that it is really up to the woman whether to have the baby, give it up for adoption or abort...and the father has no say in that, I do not think that is right .
I see what you're saying, but since the woman is the one carrying the baby, the father shouldn't have the right to force her to have the baby or to abort. It would be nice if the father's opinion was taken into consideration, but ultimately it should be the woman's decision.
I don't know how I feel about this. As a woman, if I get pregnant, but want to terminate the pregnancy, I can do so even if the father doesn't want me to. Or I can keep the baby even if the father wants me to terminate the pregnancy. In one situation, I am totally within my legal rights to keep this man from having this child, by terminating. But if I want the baby and he doesn't, I can legally force him to financially support this child? It doesn't seem fair to me. As jerky as it may seem to legally disassociate yourself from your child before it's even born, it seems fair that he should be allowed to make that decision, but I do think it should be discussed right away, as the mother would need to make plans to deal with not having that extra money to help raise her child.
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| Posted 11/8/07 1:38 PM |
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Shelly
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Re: Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
Posted by Whamtastic
I don't know how I feel about this. As a woman, if I get pregnant, but want to terminate the pregnancy, I can do so even if the father doesn't want me to. Or I can keep the baby even if the father wants me to terminate the pregnancy. In one situation, I am totally within my legal rights to keep this man from having this child, by terminating. But if I want the baby and he doesn't, I can legally force him to financially support this child? It doesn't seem fair to me. As jerky as it may seem to legally disassociate yourself from your child before it's even born, it seems fair that he should be allowed to make that decision, but I do think it should be discussed right away, as the mother would need to make plans to deal with not having that extra money to help raise her child.
I see your point, but until men are physically capable of carrying a child, I think the decision rests with the mother. And a man chose to have sex with this woman, most likely without protection, he has to deal with the consequences. It may not be 100% fair, but until men can carry babies, it never will and this is the most fair solution IMO.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
Posted by Shelly
I see your point, but until men are physically capable of carrying a child, I think the decision rests with the mother. And a man chose to have sex with this woman, most likely without protection, he has to deal with the consequences. It may not be 100% fair, but until men can carry babies, it never will and this is the most fair solution IMO.
ITA!
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Re: Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
Posted by Whamtastic
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by stephanief
I just want to add that I am 100% pro choice but I always found it un-nerving that it is really up to the woman whether to have the baby, give it up for adoption or abort...and the father has no say in that, I do not think that is right .
I see what you're saying, but since the woman is the one carrying the baby, the father shouldn't have the right to force her to have the baby or to abort. It would be nice if the father's opinion was taken into consideration, but ultimately it should be the woman's decision.
I don't know how I feel about this. As a woman, if I get pregnant, but want to terminate the pregnancy, I can do so even if the father doesn't want me to. Or I can keep the baby even if the father wants me to terminate the pregnancy. In one situation, I am totally within my legal rights to keep this man from having this child, by terminating. But if I want the baby and he doesn't, I can legally force him to financially support this child? It doesn't seem fair to me. As jerky as it may seem to legally disassociate yourself from your child before it's even born, it seems fair that he should be allowed to make that decision, but I do think it should be discussed right away, as the mother would need to make plans to deal with not having that extra money to help raise her child.
This is exactly how I feel about this.
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| Posted 11/8/07 1:52 PM |
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MrsS2005
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Re: Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
Posted by Whamtastic
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by stephanief
I just want to add that I am 100% pro choice but I always found it un-nerving that it is really up to the woman whether to have the baby, give it up for adoption or abort...and the father has no say in that, I do not think that is right .
I see what you're saying, but since the woman is the one carrying the baby, the father shouldn't have the right to force her to have the baby or to abort. It would be nice if the father's opinion was taken into consideration, but ultimately it should be the woman's decision.
I don't know how I feel about this. As a woman, if I get pregnant, but want to terminate the pregnancy, I can do so even if the father doesn't want me to. Or I can keep the baby even if the father wants me to terminate the pregnancy. In one situation, I am totally within my legal rights to keep this man from having this child, by terminating. But if I want the baby and he doesn't, I can legally force him to financially support this child? It doesn't seem fair to me. As jerky as it may seem to legally disassociate yourself from your child before it's even born, it seems fair that he should be allowed to make that decision, but I do think it should be discussed right away, as the mother would need to make plans to deal with not having that extra money to help raise her child.
It may not be fair to the father, but it's fair to the child. Why should the child suffer b/c the father doesn't want him/her or doesn't want any financial responsibility?
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| Posted 11/8/07 2:38 PM |
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Re: Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
Posted by stephanief
I just want to add that I am 100% pro choice but I always found it un-nerving that it is really up to the woman whether to have the baby, give it up for adoption or abort...and the father has no say in that, I do not think that is right .
I have to say I agree with this as well.
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| Posted 11/8/07 2:49 PM |
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Re: Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'
IMHO, t's not his body.
He can pick up and walk away...a pregnant woman cannot do the same.
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