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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Posted by NervousNell
I'll preface this by saying I am not a Bill Clinton fan at all.
However...
People always talk about his affairs. Like he was the ONLY president in history who was a pig.
Guess what? Beloved JFK was a womanizing pig too.
People acted like JFK was a god of some kind- meanwhile he was running around like a real man wh0re.
As were several other popular presidents.
Franklin Roosevelt had a long term affair with his wife's secretary!
I'm not saying it's right, but I feel like Bill Clinton is the only one who gets called out for it.
SO true.
I'm not even phased by hearing of a philandering politician, celebrity, etc not because I think it's right but because these people don't lead "normal, every day lives" like we do. They aren't with their spouse every day, they don't sit down to a family dinner every night, their focus is not family and marriage............it's power, fame, and fortune. So I think when you have those things at play it's no surprise they all cheat.
With regards to HRC and Bill's cheating, people use to flame her for staying with him but OF COURSE she did.............it's not because she was madly in love with him, she had an agenda for her OWN political career and he was a means to an end. Like Nervous Nell said, there are MANY former Presidents who have cheated, we just didn't have the media outlets back then that we do today to talk all about it.
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by NervousNell
I'll preface this by saying I am not a Bill Clinton fan at all.
However...
People always talk about his affairs. Like he was the ONLY president in history who was a pig.
Guess what? Beloved JFK was a womanizing pig too.
People acted like JFK was a god of some kind- meanwhile he was running around like a real man wh0re.
As were several other popular presidents.
Franklin Roosevelt had a long term affair with his wife's secretary!
I'm not saying it's right, but I feel like Bill Clinton is the only one who gets called out for it.
SO true.
I'm not even phased by hearing of a philandering politician, celebrity, etc not because I think it's right but because these people don't lead "normal, every day lives" like we do. They aren't with their spouse every day, they don't sit down to a family dinner every night, their focus is not family and marriage............it's power, fame, and fortune. So I think when you have those things at play it's no surprise they all cheat.
With regards to HRC and Bill's cheating, people use to flame her for staying with him but OF COURSE she did.............it's not because she was madly in love with him, she had an agenda for her OWN political career and he was a means to an end. Like Nervous Nell said, there are MANY former Presidents who have cheated, we just didn't have the media outlets back then that we do today to talk all about it.
Exactly - practically 1/3rd of former presidents have been either rumored and/or confirmed to have had affairs/mistresses. Bill Clinton was not the first or the last.
And when people want to talk about morality and presidency, Trump should be the LAST thing anyone thinks of.
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Bill and Hillary need each other. If she should have stayed or leave him after his affairs, seriously, why is it anyone's business? Plenty of regular posters here have decided to stay with cheating spouse. Are they portrayed as calculating *****? No. People have been unjustifiably harsh to Hiklary for years.
She is probably the most overly qualified presidential candidate we ever had in a very long time. She is tough. Because she has had to prove herself ever more as a woman than men before her. Women can't win. A man is tough and he is a go getter. Woman with same attitude is a *****. This is the current attitude also observed in Corporate.
Is she perfect? No. Does she lack the warm touchy freely? Yes. But trump is far from a lovable guy. He is a racist, liar, bigot. Biggest megalomaniac. Without ANY qualifications to run. The man do not have any knowledge of domestic/foreign politics. It's great to have passion like people say it. But when hiring an employee do we hire unqualified employees with just their words they can do it? NO.
Per trump, You are either a fat and ugly woman and judged as a worthless pig and will use all demeaning vocabulary about you or you will be the one he envisions in his bed. So HE can say it like it is, but she is not trustable? The double standard is unbelievable.
Many republicans used their private emails. Why is it any issue with just Hillary? She represents a threat. A woman to tell men what to do. If she deserves to go to jail, so are Bush/Cheney/Rumney. They lied to the Americans to go to Iraq. And yet it seems unbelievable to find them guilty. Many people died in embassies under Bush. Did we spend millions investigating him? She is not found not guilty for nothing. Her name is ran in the dirt to create doubt in people. So what if she has a political career? Can't women have goals in life? The political World is ugly. We need smart people handling it.
She is not loved. That's correct! But neither is Trump.
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Bill Clinton at DNC
I could care less about his affair. I thought his speech was a little boring and fell asleep. It seems so obvious their marriage is one of convenience and always has been.
Side note he looked horrible, old and sickly.
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Posted by Leb
I could care less about his affair. I thought his speech was a little boring and fell asleep. It seems so obvious their marriage is one of convenience and always has been.
Side note he looked horrible, old and sickly.
Well he has health issues.
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Pumpkin1
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Posted by Leb
It seems so obvious their marriage is one of convenience and always has been.
I always thought that the Kevin Spacey/Robin Wright characters on House of Cards had to be based on them.
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Posted by smdl
Bill and Hillary need each other. If she should have stayed or leave him after his affairs, seriously, why is it anyone's business? Plenty of regular posters here have decided to stay with cheating spouse. Are they portrayed as calculating *****? No. People have been unjustifiably harsh to Hiklary for years.
This! I don't understand the criticism of her having stayed with him (not just here, but in the regular non LIF world too). People stay together after one person cheats all the time, for many different reasons - genuine forgiveness, because they have kids, or for financial reasons, for instance. Honestly, she could have stayed with him for completely genuine reasons regardless of her ambition, but no one will ever believe that.
And if she had left him, she would have gotten criticized for giving up and not trying to work things out.
I honestly think that she never would have been able to win when it comes to this.
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Posted by smdl
Bill and Hillary need each other. If she should have stayed or leave him after his affairs, seriously, why is it anyone's business? Plenty of regular posters here have decided to stay with cheating spouse. Are they portrayed as calculating *****? No. People have been unjustifiably harsh to Hiklary for years.
She is probably the most overly qualified presidential candidate we ever had in a very long time. She is tough. Because she has had to prove herself ever more as a woman than men before her. Women can't win. A man is tough and he is a go getter. Woman with same attitude is a *****. This is the current attitude also observed in Corporate.
Is she perfect? No. Does she lack the warm touchy freely? Yes. But trump is far from a lovable guy. He is a racist, liar, bigot. Biggest megalomaniac. Without ANY qualifications to run. The man do not have any knowledge of domestic/foreign politics. It's great to have passion like people say it. But when hiring an employee do we hire unqualified employees with just their words they can do it? NO.
Per trump, You are either a fat and ugly woman and judged as a worthless pig and will use all demeaning vocabulary about you or you will be the one he envisions in his bed. So HE can say it like it is, but she is not trustable? The double standard is unbelievable.
Many republicans used their private emails. Why is it any issue with just Hillary? She represents a threat. A woman to tell men what to do. If she deserves to go to jail, so are Bush/Cheney/Rumney. They lied to the Americans to go to Iraq. And yet it seems unbelievable to find them guilty. Many people died in embassies under Bush. Did we spend millions investigating him? She is not found not guilty for nothing. Her name is ran in the dirt to create doubt in people. So what if she has a political career? Can't women have goals in life? The political World is ugly. We need smart people handling it.
She is not loved. That's correct! But neither is Trump.
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
He's a joke. Listening to him describe his love story made me sick.
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Posted by smdl
Bill and Hillary need each other. If she should have stayed or leave him after his affairs, seriously, why is it anyone's business? Plenty of regular posters here have decided to stay with cheating spouse. Are they portrayed as calculating *****? No. People have been unjustifiably harsh to Hilary for years.
This! Plenty of people in real life. Seriously. It's crazy that we judge her based off of that. (& this comes from someone who has been there, tried, & failed).
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Posted by summertime
He's a joke. Listening to him describe his love story made me sick.
My thoughts too!
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Posted by Leb
I could care less about his affair. I thought his speech was a little boring and fell asleep. It seems so obvious their marriage is one of convenience and always has been.
Side note he looked horrible, old and sickly.
Yes definitely looked old and sounded feeble.
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Posted by smdl
Many republicans used their private emails. Why is it any issue with just Hillary?
I'm curious. Name a republican who hosts or hosted their own email server in their house, especially somebody with as much power as Hillary had.
Hillary was #4 in line to the presidency during her tenure as Secretary. For her to have her own private server that could be easily hackable was "extremely careless" (exact words spoken by the FBI).
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Posted by ave1024
Posted by smdl
Many republicans used their private emails. Why is it any issue with just Hillary?
I'm curious. Name a republican who hosts or hosted their own email server in their house, especially somebody with as much power as Hillary had.
Hillary was #4 in line to the presidency during her tenure as Secretary. For her to have her own private server that could be easily hackable was "extremely careless" (exact words spoken by the FBI).
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clintons-potential-gop-rivals-used-personal-email-accounts-1426205325
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ave1024
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Bill Clinton at DNC
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by ave1024
Posted by smdl
Many republicans used their private emails. Why is it any issue with just Hillary?
I'm curious. Name a republican who hosts or hosted their own email server in their house, especially somebody with as much power as Hillary had.
Hillary was #4 in line to the presidency during her tenure as Secretary. For her to have her own private server that could be easily hackable was "extremely careless" (exact words spoken by the FBI).
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clintons-potential-gop-rivals-used-personal-email-accounts-1426205325
Need to subscribe to read that, but let me ask this again and I will put it in bold so people understand the question. Name a republican who hosts or hosted their own email server in their house.
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Posted by ave1024
Posted by smdl
Many republicans used their private emails. Why is it any issue with just Hillary?
I'm curious. Name a republican who hosts or hosted their own email server in their house, especially somebody with as much power as Hillary had.
Hillary was #4 in line to the presidency during her tenure as Secretary. For her to have her own private server that could be easily hackable was "extremely careless" (exact words spoken by the FBI).
and now the republican candidate is inviting a foreign government to do just that - hack.
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Posted by Kitten1929
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by NervousNell
I'll preface this by saying I am not a Bill Clinton fan at all.
However...
People always talk about his affairs. Like he was the ONLY president in history who was a pig.
Guess what? Beloved JFK was a womanizing pig too.
People acted like JFK was a god of some kind- meanwhile he was running around like a real man wh0re.
As were several other popular presidents.
Franklin Roosevelt had a long term affair with his wife's secretary!
I'm not saying it's right, but I feel like Bill Clinton is the only one who gets called out for it.
SO true.
I'm not even phased by hearing of a philandering politician, celebrity, etc not because I think it's right but because these people don't lead "normal, every day lives" like we do. They aren't with their spouse every day, they don't sit down to a family dinner every night, their focus is not family and marriage............it's power, fame, and fortune. So I think when you have those things at play it's no surprise they all cheat.
With regards to HRC and Bill's cheating, people use to flame her for staying with him but OF COURSE she did.............it's not because she was madly in love with him, she had an agenda for her OWN political career and he was a means to an end. Like Nervous Nell said, there are MANY former Presidents who have cheated, we just didn't have the media outlets back then that we do today to talk all about it.
Exactly - practically 1/3rd of former presidents have been either rumored and/or confirmed to have had affairs/mistresses. Bill Clinton was not the first or the last.
And when people want to talk about morality and presidency, Trump should be the LAST thing anyone thinks of.
In my opinion, it isn't so much about her staying with him, it's him painting this picture of love and mutual respect when he clearly didnt respect her will he was having an affair. I would feel the same way about anyone who has a past of infidelity speaking about their spouse this way. It doesn't matter to me if they were a former president.
I'm not eloquently using my words to explain my feelings. I just had a hard time connecting to what he was saying and finding guininity in it. It actually made me realize more this is a marriage of convinen was for both of them.
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smdl
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Posted by ave1024
Posted by smdl
Many republicans used their private emails. Why is it any issue with just Hillary?
I'm curious. Name a republican who hosts or hosted their own email server in their house, especially somebody with as much power as Hillary had.
Hillary was #4 in line to the presidency during her tenure as Secretary. For her to have her own private server that could be easily hackable was "extremely careless" (exact words spoken by the FBI).
Colin Powell actually. Hence why he defended Hillary on this topic. The use of private emails was allowed at the time she did it. It was changed since then. This is why she cannot be charged. And it would also open a can of worms with republican politicians themselves.
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Posted by ave1024
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by ave1024
Posted by smdl
Many republicans used their private emails. Why is it any issue with just Hillary?
I'm curious. Name a republican who hosts or hosted their own email server in their house, especially somebody with as much power as Hillary had.
Hillary was #4 in line to the presidency during her tenure as Secretary. For her to have her own private server that could be easily hackable was "extremely careless" (exact words spoken by the FBI).
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clintons-potential-gop-rivals-used-personal-email-accounts-1426205325
Need to subscribe to read that, but let me ask this again and I will put it in bold so people understand the question. Name a republican who hosts or hosted their own email server in their house.
Colin Powell used a non-Departmental server.
http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/05/27/reporting-hillary-clinton-media-get-facts-wrong-colin-powells-private-email-use/210613
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ave1024
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
He used a personal account. Powell did NOT utilize a personal server stored in his house.
Like Clinton, Powell used a personal email address. However, there’s a big difference: Clinton hosted her email on a private server located in her home. Powell did not.
So I guess nobody can come up with somebody that used a personal server in their house. 
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Posted by ave1024
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by ave1024
Posted by smdl
Many republicans used their private emails. Why is it any issue with just Hillary?
I'm curious. Name a republican who hosts or hosted their own email server in their house, especially somebody with as much power as Hillary had.
Hillary was #4 in line to the presidency during her tenure as Secretary. For her to have her own private server that could be easily hackable was "extremely careless" (exact words spoken by the FBI).
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clintons-potential-gop-rivals-used-personal-email-accounts-1426205325
Need to subscribe to read that, but let me ask this again and I will put it in bold so people understand the question. Name a republican who hosts or hosted their own email server in their house.
Jeb Bush
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/aug/18/howard-dean/howard-dean-tremendous-number-public-officials-hav/
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Posted by ave1024
He used a personal account. Powell did NOT utilize a personal server stored in his house.
Like Clinton, Powell used a personal email address. However, there’s a big difference: Clinton hosted her email on a private server located in her home. Powell did not.
So I guess nobody can come up with somebody that used a personal server in their house.
Did you read the whole thing or just the title?
OIG Report: Clinton And Powell Both “Used Non-Department Systems On An Exclusive Basis.” According to the OIG report: “OIG identified many examples of staff using personal email accounts to conduct official business; however, OIG could only identify three cases where officials used non-Departmental systems on an exclusive basis for day-to-day operations. These include former Secretaries Powell and Clinton, as well as Jonathan Scott Gration, a former Ambassador to Kenya.” [U.S. Department of State Office of Inspector General report, “Office of the Secretary: Evaluation of Email Records Management and Cybersecurity Requirements,” May 2016]
It doesn't say exactly where the system was housed, but does that really matter if it was in his house or elsewhere? It was non-departmental.
Oh, and Jeb Bush had a server in his house. But, I guess it wasn't labeled "secret," he's good.
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Posted by ave1024
Posted by Pumpkin1
Posted by ave1024
Posted by smdl
Many republicans used their private emails. Why is it any issue with just Hillary?
I'm curious. Name a republican who hosts or hosted their own email server in their house, especially somebody with as much power as Hillary had.
Hillary was #4 in line to the presidency during her tenure as Secretary. For her to have her own private server that could be easily hackable was "extremely careless" (exact words spoken by the FBI).
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clintons-potential-gop-rivals-used-personal-email-accounts-1426205325
Need to subscribe to read that, but let me ask this again and I will put it in bold so people understand the question. Name a republican who hosts or hosted their own email server in their house.
Thank you!!!
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ave1024
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Re: Bill Clinton at DNC
Here's the difference between what Jeb did compared to Hillary. Jeb never hid the fact that he had a personal email and even advertised that he had the email. Jeb also utilized the government email server and wasn't using his personal email server solely to conduct government business.
Hillary the sneaky witch that she is wanted 100% control of her matters and refused to use the government issued email accounts.
And the fact that she got hacked is karma coming to bite her in the ass. Hillary left her server's remote control protocols open so anybody can do a lookup of her email domain, find out the IP to her server, and do an endless amount of login attempts to it to gain access. Hillary should have the word IDIOT tattooed to her forehead for allowing this to happen.
Posted by Pumpkin1
It doesn't say exactly where the system was housed, but does that really matter if it was in his house or elsewhere? It was non-departmental.
Yes on the matter of security it DOES matter and this is why Hillary is a total moron. Powell had an email account on OpenNet which was a brand new internet platform back in the day. I actually read an article that Powell was one of the primary officials to create opennet for ALL the government to use. There were no secrets with Opennet. To compare, him having his info on opennet was like having an account on gmail. Google is not getting hacked anytime soon and neither was Opennet. 
Hillary had her email account on a Microsoft server that any 14 year old can use any one of the tens of hundreds of vulnerabilities Microsoft has to patch monthly to gain access.
How come we don't see Jeb's server being hacked? Oh right... because there is a conspiracy about allowing a woman have power.  Jeb had his shit together. Hillary did not and failed miserably. Hillary also had a MUCH higher government title which makes her look even worse.
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