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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
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and second... sorry kids, Crazies and Criminals are going to get their guns regardless of how much everyone wants to regulate gun control.
Yes, true. But if there are fewer guns and more regulations, there will be fewer mass shootings.
Take a look at statistics.
Unfortunately there are already too many guns out there, so I think it would be too little, too late. For example, we own 6 firearms. What would the gov't do? Confiscate some of them? I don't think so.
I edited my above post with statistics.
So OK, according to your logic, let's do nothing.
In Australia, there was a buy-back scheme for people to sell their guns that were soon to become illegal. People handed them in. The Port Arthur massacre was bad. People were sensible. They did the right thing.
So if guns were to become illegal, and there was an incentive as previously mentioned, you wouldn't hand in your 6? Why? To protect yourself? Give me a break.
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
Posted by beachgirl
With no disrespect but you dont have kids so you dont understand that kids have tempers like adults do...kids are spontaneous and act out in an instance...I have seen kids beat the crap out of each other at this age - especially boys as they are physical - they are not mentally ill...they are kids with frustrations and sometimes belt punch and kick out of frustration - they should NEVER have the power to pull a trigger. Never. And your thoughts on this might change once you become a parent. Would you be comfortable sending your child to a house of a friend for a playdate if you knew there was an unlocked firearm in the house that a child could access? I guarantee you 100% your thoughts will change on this once you become a parent.
I do stand by my opinion that an 8 year old with a murderous temper has something mental brewing...
As I mentioned when you asked me about what I will do/do w/my guns, I answered you this, which I think is reasonable:
Daytime/when we're not at home, etc - kept in a secure wall safe in our bedroom.
Nightime, when we might fear an intruder the most - loaded in the nightstand.
I don't THINK that most people are saying "hey, I leave a bunch of loaded pistols on my dining room table b/c its my right." Leaving a loaded shotgun in the house when you're not there... irresponsible. Keeping said loaded shotgun next to your bedover night... reasonable.
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
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Posted by Penny4YourThoughs
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and second... sorry kids, Crazies and Criminals are going to get their guns regardless of how much everyone wants to regulate gun control.
Yes, true. But if there are fewer guns and more regulations, there will be fewer mass shootings.
Take a look at statistics.
Unfortunately there are already too many guns out there, so I think it would be too little, too late. For example, we own 6 firearms. What would the gov't do? Confiscate some of them? I don't think so.
I edited my above post with statistics.
So OK, according to your logic, let's do nothing.
In Australia, there was a buy-back scheme for people to sell their guns that were soon to become illegal. People handed them in. The Port Arthur massacre was bad. People were sensible. They did the right thing.
So if guns were to become illegal, and there was an incentive as previously mentioned, you wouldn't hand in your 6? Why? To protect yourself? Give me a break.
We paid THOUSANDS of dollars for these guns LEGALLY. Why should we be required to turn them in, sell the back, etc?
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klingklang77
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
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Posted by beachgirl
Can I ask you "penny4yourthoughts" do you keep your firearms locked up? Do you have children in your home that would have easy access to any of your 6 firearms? You dont have to answer but I am curious. Thanks.
Happy to answer.
We don't have children yet. When we do, we will keep them secure of course, especially when we are not at home, but I'm not going to tell you that overnight my DH won't have a loaded handgun in his nightstand. Thats the whole point of HAVING them for home protection.
You have a loaded gun in your nightstand sometimes? Congrats you just put that info out on the internet! If anyone has any piece of your info and any info on where you live, they will go to your house and go for that handgun. Maybe your husband won't hear the intruder, then what happens?
Sorry, but that's irresponsible gun ownership.
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
Posted by Penny4YourThoughs
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Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Penny4YourThoughs
and second... sorry kids, Crazies and Criminals are going to get their guns regardless of how much everyone wants to regulate gun control.
Yes, true. But if there are fewer guns and more regulations, there will be fewer mass shootings.
Take a look at statistics.
Unfortunately there are already too many guns out there, so I think it would be too little, too late. For example, we own 6 firearms. What would the gov't do? Confiscate some of them? I don't think so.
I edited my above post with statistics.
So OK, according to your logic, let's do nothing.
In Australia, there was a buy-back scheme for people to sell their guns that were soon to become illegal. People handed them in. The Port Arthur massacre was bad. People were sensible. They did the right thing.
So if guns were to become illegal, and there was an incentive as previously mentioned, you wouldn't hand in your 6? Why? To protect yourself? Give me a break.
We paid THOUSANDS of dollars for these guns LEGALLY. Why should we be required to turn them in, sell the back, etc?
Thousands of dollars? So if something were made illegal, you would keep it because it cost you thousands of dollars? Last I checked, that's breaking the law.
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
I don't even know why I started engaging in this thread lol. I usually know better.
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
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Posted by Penny4YourThoughs
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Posted by Penny4YourThoughs
and second... sorry kids, Crazies and Criminals are going to get their guns regardless of how much everyone wants to regulate gun control.
Yes, true. But if there are fewer guns and more regulations, there will be fewer mass shootings.
Take a look at statistics.
Unfortunately there are already too many guns out there, so I think it would be too little, too late. For example, we own 6 firearms. What would the gov't do? Confiscate some of them? I don't think so.
I edited my above post with statistics.
So OK, according to your logic, let's do nothing.
In Australia, there was a buy-back scheme for people to sell their guns that were soon to become illegal. People handed them in. The Port Arthur massacre was bad. People were sensible. They did the right thing.
So if guns were to become illegal, and there was an incentive as previously mentioned, you wouldn't hand in your 6? Why? To protect yourself? Give me a break.
We paid THOUSANDS of dollars for these guns LEGALLY. Why should we be required to turn them in, sell the back, etc?
Thousands of dollars? So if something were made illegal, you would keep it because it cost you thousands of dollars? Last I checked, that's breaking the law.
Do I think the gov't has the right to take stuff that I purchased legally? No, of course I don't. That's just silly.
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klingklang77
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
Posted by Penny4YourThoughs
I don't even know why I started engaging in this thread lol. I usually know better.
I can usually understand the argument of responsible gun ownership. Sorry, but I think you are not storing your firearms properly. What do you do when you have visitors over? And their kids?
I was just having this discussion on another message board. The question was "On a playdate do you ask the parents if there are any guns in the house?".
I was really surprised by the people who said they had a relative and they didn't store their guns in a safe "because they don't have kids". The general consensus was that it's irresponsible.
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
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Posted by Penny4YourThoughs
I don't even know why I started engaging in this thread lol. I usually know better.
I can usually understand the argument of responsible gun ownership. Sorry, but I think you are not storing your firearms properly. What do you do when you have visitors over? And their kids?
I was just having this discussion on another message board. The question was "On a playdate do you ask the parents if there are any guns in the house?".
I was really surprised by the people who said they had a relative and they didn't store their guns in a safe "because they don't have kids". The general consensus was that it's irresponsible.
Well they're not out on the coffee table for anyone to see. I hope our guests don't go through our bedroom dresser drawers looking for them. Then we have bigger issues lol. But no, we don't have a gunsafe. When we have kids, we will, but right now we don't see the need.
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klingklang77
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
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Posted by Penny4YourThoughs
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Penny4YourThoughs
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Penny4YourThoughs
and second... sorry kids, Crazies and Criminals are going to get their guns regardless of how much everyone wants to regulate gun control.
Yes, true. But if there are fewer guns and more regulations, there will be fewer mass shootings.
Take a look at statistics.
Unfortunately there are already too many guns out there, so I think it would be too little, too late. For example, we own 6 firearms. What would the gov't do? Confiscate some of them? I don't think so.
I edited my above post with statistics.
So OK, according to your logic, let's do nothing.
In Australia, there was a buy-back scheme for people to sell their guns that were soon to become illegal. People handed them in. The Port Arthur massacre was bad. People were sensible. They did the right thing.
So if guns were to become illegal, and there was an incentive as previously mentioned, you wouldn't hand in your 6? Why? To protect yourself? Give me a break.
We paid THOUSANDS of dollars for these guns LEGALLY. Why should we be required to turn them in, sell the back, etc?
Thousands of dollars? So if something were made illegal, you would keep it because it cost you thousands of dollars? Last I checked, that's breaking the law.
Do I think the gov't has the right to take stuff that I purchased legally? No, of course I don't. That's just silly.
But, in this hypothetical situation, it's illegal. It doesn't matter how you purchased it.
That's like saying you can keep a now illegal drug because you purchased it legally.
But whatever, I'm done arguing about this topic. But please lock up your gun for the safety of others.
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Diane
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
Im all for the 2nd amendment right to own guns.
I know NY does good background checks. Only problem. I feel is that it is so hard to do a mental health background check with all the HIPPA laws. I feel all these shootings are people who are unstable. Someone doesn't just go intentionally on a shooting spree for no reason. How do you check on mental health without violating HIPPA laws.
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Diane
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
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Posted by beachgirl
Firearms should be locked in a gun safe and ammunition in a separate locked up secure gun safe. What's so difficult about this?
I HATE this argument, b/c WTF is the point of HAVING a gun for home protection? "Hey wait armed intruder... I just have to go over here and retrieve my gun from the safe and then load it... just give me 3 minutes."
So silly.
Exactly......have a finger print safe
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
My Father own lots of guns, some are antiques, some he collects and others he uses. He is a hunter. We grew up around them, we were taught to NEVER touch the guns. My brother learned to hunt with my dad at an early age, so the curiosity was never there to touch it plus the fear of my parents was enough too..haha! We weren't even allowed toy guns. Even the nerf guns, with pretend play we were NOT allowed to point it at each other or our asses were in trouble!!. His guns were always locked up so we never could get them anyway. Once we got older we were taught about gun safety and how to use it. 30 years later they are still locked up, actually they are more secure now then when we were younger as the safes have gotten better since then. I believe all guns should be locked up at all times unless your in the house by yourself, no guests. Then if you want it for your protection at night I can understand.
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
Posted by Jonsgirl04
My Father own lots of guns, some are antiques, some he collects and others he uses. He is a hunter. We grew up around them, we were taught to NEVER touch the guns. My brother learned to hunt with my dad at an early age, so the curiosity was never there to touch it plus the fear of my parents was enough too..haha! We weren't even allowed toy guns. Even the nerf guns, with pretend play we were NOT allowed to point it at each other or our asses were in trouble!!. His guns were always locked up so we never could get them anyway. Once we got older we were taught about gun safety and how to use it. 30 years later they are still locked up, actually they are more secure now then when we were younger as the safes have gotten better since then. I believe all guns should be locked up at all times unless your in the house by yourself, no guests. Then if you want it for your protection at night I can understand.
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
Just curious because I really don't know. . .
When you buy a gun and get a license (I'm assuming you need a license before you buy a gun??) they do background checks.
Do they do background checks again down the line, years later? A follow up to see if you would still qualify to own a gun?
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
Posted by w8andsee
Just curious because I really don't know. . .
When you buy a gun and get a license (I'm assuming you need a license before you buy a gun??) they do background checks.
Do they do background checks again down the line, years later? A follow up to see if you would still qualify to own a gun?
Yes, when you renew your license.
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
I personally think that People magazine should stick to celebrity gossip, fluff pieces and human interest stories.
However, I am grateful that they published the information - I can also write a letter encouraging them to enforce the laws already on the books and to focus on mental health issues. Chicago has some of the toughest gun control laws in the nation...
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PhyllisNJoe
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
We are gun owners. They are locked up at all times. It was not easy to get the gun license. We also have no issues with stricter background checks and mental checks because we have nothing to hide. The laws in that sense should be changed. But to think that banning guns all together will stop gun violence is naive. There are plenty of guns in the hands of unlicensed maniacs.
I also agree that an unloaded gun with ammo in another room will do nothing to help yourself in the event of an intruder. They have handgun safes that open with a fingerprint or a 4# pin. that can fix the issue of having a loaded gun on the nightstand.
If you have children, part of being a responsible gun owner is teaching your children about gun safety.
we have a right to defend our home and ourselves to intruders. And that shouldn't change
Stricter laws can help
-better background checks
Including mental, criminal and former drug use
- mandatory gun safety course
- mandatory safes
ALL OF THE ABOVE at time of license renewal
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
We are gun owners. They are locked up at all times. It was not easy to get the gun license. We also have no issues with stricter background checks and mental checks because we have nothing to hide. The laws in that sense should be changed. But to think that banning guns all together will stop gun violence is naive. There are plenty of guns in the hands of unlicensed maniacs.
I also agree that an unloaded gun with ammo in another room will do nothing to help yourself in the event of an intruder. They have handgun safes that open with a fingerprint or a 4# pin. that can fix the issue of having a loaded gun on the nightstand.
If you have children, part of being a responsible gun owner is teaching your children about gun safety.
we have a right to defend our home and ourselves to intruders. And that shouldn't change
Stricter laws can help
-better background checks
Including mental, criminal and former drug use
- mandatory gun safety course
- mandatory safes
ALL OF THE ABOVE at time of license renewal
well said!!!!!!
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
I have had discussions with gun owners in the past. I wanted to know how they think.
And I learned a lot. And I learned the questions we (society) should be asking, not the questions we DO ask.
The first thing I said was why? Why do you NEED to have a high powered rifle?
The answer was simple: The law allows me to. I own it because I can.
then my question.. But why? Why own it at all?
The answer: Because I CAN. I am allowed to.
Hum.
Next question: Why so many?
Answer: Its just like having different cars, or different tools. I want variety. I don't like shooting the shot gun every time. I want this model, or that model to shoot. Its fun.
This made me learn a LOT. I'm not against guns per se. My thought is that since the constitution allows it and we have laws protecting the ownership of guns then so be it. But it made me change the way I think about gun ownership in this country.
The laws have to change if we want to get rid of guns. Fighting about "Ban all guns" wont happen unless the laws change. And as President Obama said last week "become a one issue voter on it".
I think almost all of us agree that the sensible change (that we all see as reasonable) is registering guns. background checks. Licenses. renew licenses. Mental health evaluations. Close the loopholes of gun shows. I think there should be mandatory gun safety classes for everyone in the household. I think there should be a written test as well as a "physical" test. JUST like getting your drivers license. All these things will result in less guns on the street.
But we are asking the wrong questions. You speak to a gun enthusiast like Phillisandjoe (or the other girl) and they will say "I am allowed to own a gun, so I do" and they are right. So the more we keep trying to tell them "you should have to give them up, and ban them" is like speaking to a brick wall (NO INSULT MEANT BY THAT, just trying to make a point). They will NOT change their minds no matter how much you WANT them to. They don't have to. The law SAYS they can own the gun.
(And they wont change your minds either).
The questions we SHOULD be asking is to our lawmakers on how to get guns off the street, how do we make better gun laws. How do we regulate? And yes, how can we ban them. (If that's how you see it).
But the law is clear. You are allowed to own a gun. Period. So IMHO we have to stop asking "why do you own a gun" and "why do you need it".
The ANSWER will never change. "I am allowed to by the law so I do".
If we want to make an end to gun violence we have to change the law.
(As a side note: I am NOT attacking Phillis and the other woman. I believe in our constitution, and you have the right to own your guns. I have no problem with that at all and have no problem with your gun ownership).
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
Posted by Paramount
I have had discussions with gun owners in the past. I wanted to know how they think.
And I learned a lot. And I learned the questions we (society) should be asking, not the questions we DO ask.
The first thing I said was why? Why do you NEED to have a high powered rifle?
The answer was simple: The law allows me to. I own it because I can.
then my question.. But why? Why own it at all?
The answer: Because I CAN. I am allowed to.
Hum.
Next question: Why so many?
Answer: Its just like having different cars, or different tools. I want variety. I don't like shooting the shot gun every time. I want this model, or that model to shoot. Its fun.
This made me learn a LOT. I'm not against guns per se. My thought is that since the constitution allows it and we have laws protecting the ownership of guns then so be it. But it made me change the way I think about gun ownership in this country.
The laws have to change if we want to get rid of guns. Fighting about "Ban all guns" wont happen unless the laws change. And as President Obama said last week "become a one issue voter on it".
I think almost all of us agree that the sensible change (that we all see as reasonable) is registering guns. background checks. Licenses. renew licenses. Mental health evaluations. Close the loopholes of gun shows. I think there should be mandatory gun safety classes for everyone in the household. I think there should be a written test as well as a "physical" test. JUST like getting your drivers license. All these things will result in less guns on the street.
But we are asking the wrong questions. You speak to a gun enthusiast like Phillisandjoe (or the other girl) and they will say "I am allowed to own a gun, so I do" and they are right. So the more we keep trying to tell them "you should have to give them up, and ban them" is like speaking to a brick wall (NO INSULT MEANT BY THAT, just trying to make a point). They will NOT change their minds no matter how much you WANT them to. They don't have to. The law SAYS they can own the gun.
(And they wont change your minds either).
The questions we SHOULD be asking is to our lawmakers on how to get guns off the street, how do we make better gun laws. How do we regulate? And yes, how can we ban them. (If that's how you see it).
But the law is clear. You are allowed to own a gun. Period. So IMHO we have to stop asking "why do you own a gun" and "why do you need it".
The ANSWER will never change. "I am allowed to by the law so I do".
If we want to make an end to gun violence we have to change the law.
(As a side note: I am NOT attacking Phillis and the other woman. I believe in our constitution, and you have the right to own your guns. I have no problem with that at all and have no problem with your gun ownership).
I don't take it as a personal attack because I see your point in your response. You are also calling for similar changes that I wouldn't be opposed to.
What I do find somewhat offensive is that I stated (by what I wrote) that the reason I have guns is because the law allows it. That's not the case for me. We have guns for hobby and sport as well as home/self defense. Not just because the law allows us to. The people you polled on this seem to have a very one track mind.
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
Gun control regulations won't solve the problem 100% but does that mean we shouldn't try? What need does an average citizen have for an assault weapon? Heroin is illegal. Yes people still get heroin. Does that mean we should just make it legal?
Something needs to be done. Its out of control. Children are allowed to own long guns in the majority of the states. WHY.
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
How about liability for people who negligently let their guns get into the hands of others (like an unstable 8 year old--or a stable one)? How about liability and punishment to such an extent that people really feel like their liberty is on the line--that they will do lots of hard time? Put the onus on the owners.
I know there are penalties now--but what if they really hurt?
And mandatory insurance and financial liability...don't get me started.
People take lots of chances that they wouldn't take if they knew it could ruin THEIR lives--not just endanger others'.
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
I cannot stand this attitude of 'laws aren't going to change anything' so let's just do nothing while children accidentally murder children because their parents are lazy and irresponsible. This attitude is part of the problem.
There should ABSOLUTELY be penalties for not keeping your gun properly secured.
I could easily see one of my children killing the other if we had an unsecured gun in the house, and no, neither of them are mentally unstable. But they get angry with each other and don't think about the consequences of their actions.
My aunt and uncle bought my cousin a gun with a falsified lease one Christmas. Not in New York, but where they live. It's too damn easy to get a gun legally in this country. I don't think my aunt and uncle should be able to have guns. I don't think all the people who live in their house are mentally stable enough to live in such close proximity to the arsenal they've amassed. Every time I hear of another mass shooting I literally wonder if one of my own family members was the shooter. And I will next time, because there will always be a next time because we just don't care enough.
Scream about mental health all you want - it is a valid point, but it's used as deflection so that we can maintain the status quo.
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Re: Call to Action - From People Magazine
I am in favor of individuals owning guns, but there has to be regulations in place.
1. A written test.
2. A practical test.
3. A mental health test.
4. A background check that if it takes longer means you have to wait and not just get it because the time expired.
5. Liability insurance.
6. Registration of all sales including private sales.
7. Finger printing of registered owners.
8. License renewal ever 10 years with a mental health test.
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