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gina409
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Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
Past couple days we have all seen the jokes and the comparisons etc
Beck is a amazing artist. And as much as we all hate him so is Kanye. Before kim before the leather pants
But you know what so is Beyoncé. Now I know most don't like her on this board (I happen to)
But I assume she didn't ask for this or knows why Kanye keeps hanging off her d***
So now everyone is ripping her music and how many people write songs for her etc. That's not fair
She is talented. Hate her or not she is talented and it's not fair for people acting like she is not
Everyone says neck deserves respect and he does but so does she and every other artist
My rant for the day lol. Dam you kanye!!!
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Re: Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
Beyonce's album is incredible.
Its so unique - it has a visual component to each song, and she really tried new things and experimented a lot on this record.
Not to take anything away from Beck, haven't heard his album and really don't care about who wins a Grammy, B will be just fine without.
But her album is really amazing, its not generic pop crap, and I hate to see it get ripped for Kanye's stupid antics.
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| Posted 2/10/15 9:34 AM |
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Ayne11
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Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
Where Beyonce is a very talented performer, Beck is a very talented song writer. They have huge talent in different areas and that's what they project.
I just don't like Beyonce as a person, but that has nothing to do with her talent.
#BeckHive haha
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| Posted 2/10/15 9:44 AM |
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DaniJude
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Re: Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
Yeah there's no question she is talented. You raise great points.
There are lots of talents in the music industry -- those who are vocally amazing, those who can also dance, those who play instruments, those who write songs, etc. And then there are some amazing people who do a combo of all of those talents OR ALL OF THEM. And it's incredible.
Sadly, Beyonce -- and I feel indifferent towards her, never been a huge fan, never disliked her -- but sadly, she has been tossed into this totally against her will. I just saw a clip of her when Kanye rushed the stage and you can read her lips clearly go "oh no, not again, no" and then he backed off, and people thought at that time it was a joke, and her and Jay laughed about it -- and looked relieved!!
But, yeah definitely - Beck and her are both talented, obviously in different ways and they sing very different music. And, it pains me to admit that Kanye is also talented --- and sometimes the most talented are the most disturbed. And he is absolutely mixed up - he has some major psychological issues he needs to take care of... before he worries about who is getting what award. Go see someone, seriously. 
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Ayne11
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Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
Anyone else think Pimp Mama Kris put Kanye up to this to divert attention away from Bruce's Vehicular Manslaughter? (I'm half kidding) 
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| Posted 2/10/15 9:50 AM |
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Re: Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
what makes me wonder is how much Kanye supports Beyonce and how hes bff's with Jay Z but J and B didnt even attend kim and Kanyes wedding. from an outsider looking in, they totally hate Kim but we will never know the truth.
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Seawolf
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Re: Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
Beyonce is a mediocre singer who happens to be attractive. Thats about it. She has a great publicist.
Sorry, but in NO way do I consider Kanye to be an "artist." Not in any capacity.
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| Posted 2/10/15 10:11 AM |
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Re: Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
Posted by KittyShops
Beyonce is a mediocre singer who happens to be attractive. Thats about it. She has a great publicist.
Sorry, but in NO way do I consider Kanye to be an "artist." Not in any capacity.
ITA
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| Posted 2/10/15 10:15 AM |
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jessnbrian
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Re: Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
Beyonce is a good singer, she can belt, and I don't remember the awards show it was when she announced her pregnancy, she modulated how many times LIVE???? You might not like her, but from a professional standpoint, that is ridiculously hard to do. That said, to compare her to Beck is unfair. Beck is a songwriter, singer, and musician. He writes everything, and what he writes is insightful and innovative. Her lyrics are ridiculous (most of the time), she doesn't write anything (maybe contributes here and there)... and on her most recent album, I'm sorry, while it was entertaining, I found it to be so degrading. There is no comparison to me.
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Re: Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by KittyShops
Beyonce is a mediocre singer who happens to be attractive. Thats about it. She has a great publicist.
Sorry, but in NO way do I consider Kanye to be an "artist." Not in any capacity.
ITA
I agree 100% as well.
She's a manufactured pop performer, there is no "talent" in that. People like Beyonce are a dime a dozen and they come and go.
Kanye's "music" is garbage. I'm stunned he ever received any accolades for the cr@p he's turned out.
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MrsA1012
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Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
I might take some heat for this but I don't think any of these people are true artists. As someone who adores classical music and grew up around classically trained singers, dancers and musicians I don't think any of these pop music celebs should be called artists. Entertainers with some talent and catchy music yes. Hell, I've certainly enjoyed dancing to Beyonce songs and I'm not saying their isn't merit to that work. However, when you've watched concert pianists practice the most difficult music 10 hours a day , or opera singers who sing in 4/5 languages without amplification or ballet dancers who practice all morning, do a performance and then practice some more you realize the extreme differences between popular entertainment and true art that requires the highest level of talent, sacrifice and perfection.
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| Posted 2/10/15 10:26 AM |
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Re: Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
Posted by KittyShops
Beyonce is a mediocre singer who happens to be attractive. Thats about it. She has a great publicist.
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I completely agree. I can't stand her now, she just takes her clothes off and shakes it around like every other hooch. There is nothing special about her, she is a puppet.
Kanye is another story. I do think he has talent, but I also think his ego and attitude is going to cause it all to come crashing down.
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Re: Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
Then again, I am also of the mindset that rap isn't "music" - it is, at best, some sort of performance poetry art thing, but as a musician I can't wrap my head around "rap" as music.
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| Posted 2/10/15 10:30 AM |
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jessnbrian
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Re: Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
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I might take some heat for this but I don't think any of these people are true artists. As someone who adores classical music and grew up around classically trained singers, dancers and musicians I don't think any of these pop music celebs should be called artists. Entertainers with some talent and catchy music yes. Hell, I've certainly enjoyed dancing to Beyonce songs and I'm not saying their isn't merit to that work. However, when you've watched concert pianists practice the most difficult music 10 hours a day , or opera singers who sing in 4/5 languages without amplification or ballet dancers who practice all morning, do a performance and then practice some more you realize the extreme differences between popular entertainment and true art that requires the highest level of talent, sacrifice and perfection.
As a musician and someone who went to University for music, I completely disagree. I would absolutely consider Beck a "true artist". He writes, sings, plays instruments, etc. Just because something isn't "Classical" does NOT mean it's not "ART". I agree regarding Kanye & Beyonce.
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Re: Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
Posted by jessnbrian
Posted by MrsA1012
I might take some heat for this but I don't think any of these people are true artists. As someone who adores classical music and grew up around classically trained singers, dancers and musicians I don't think any of these pop music celebs should be called artists. Entertainers with some talent and catchy music yes. Hell, I've certainly enjoyed dancing to Beyonce songs and I'm not saying their isn't merit to that work. However, when you've watched concert pianists practice the most difficult music 10 hours a day , or opera singers who sing in 4/5 languages without amplification or ballet dancers who practice all morning, do a performance and then practice some more you realize the extreme differences between popular entertainment and true art that requires the highest level of talent, sacrifice and perfection.
As a musician and someone who went to University for music, I completely disagree. I would absolutely consider Beck a "true artist". He writes, sings, plays instruments, etc. Just because something isn't "Classical" does NOT mean it's not "ART". I agree regarding Kanye & Beyonce.
ita. gina i agree that beyonce is talented as a performer and singer in her own rite but there really isnt any comparing the two. imo, there's talent then there's album of the year talent.
This summed it up for me really wellhttp://www.buzzfeed.com/expresident/why-beck-beat-beyonce#.ka9vLzGGk
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Pumpkin1
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Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
I think the whole thing is orchestrated and that Beyonce and/or Jay Z knew exactly what was going to happen. These people are famewhores.
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gina409
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Re: Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by KittyShops
Beyonce is a mediocre singer who happens to be attractive. Thats about it. She has a great publicist.
Sorry, but in NO way do I consider Kanye to be an "artist." Not in any capacity.
ITA
I agree 100% as well.
She's a manufactured pop performer, there is no "talent" in that. People like Beyonce are a dime a dozen and they come and go.
Kanye's "music" is garbage. I'm stunned he ever received any accolades for the cr@p he's turned out.
Well we can def agree to disagree bc I don't see how Beyoncé is a dime a dozen lol
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Re: Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by KittyShops
Beyonce is a mediocre singer who happens to be attractive. Thats about it. She has a great publicist.
Sorry, but in NO way do I consider Kanye to be an "artist." Not in any capacity.
ITA
I agree 100% as well.
She's a manufactured pop performer, there is no "talent" in that. People like Beyonce are a dime a dozen and they come and go.
Kanye's "music" is garbage. I'm stunned he ever received any accolades for the cr@p he's turned out.
I agree with you 1000%
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Seawolf
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Re: Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
Beyonce doesn't have even 10% of the talent of a REAL singer like Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion (and I don't even care for 2 of them) - she's just well marketed.
My grammar is pretty poor in what I just wrote, but I'm too lazy to deal w/it.
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MrsA1012
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Re: Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
Posted by jessnbrian
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I might take some heat for this but I don't think any of these people are true artists. As someone who adores classical music and grew up around classically trained singers, dancers and musicians I don't think any of these pop music celebs should be called artists. Entertainers with some talent and catchy music yes. Hell, I've certainly enjoyed dancing to Beyonce songs and I'm not saying their isn't merit to that work. However, when you've watched concert pianists practice the most difficult music 10 hours a day , or opera singers who sing in 4/5 languages without amplification or ballet dancers who practice all morning, do a performance and then practice some more you realize the extreme differences between popular entertainment and true art that requires the highest level of talent, sacrifice and perfection.
As a musician and someone who went to University for music, I completely disagree. I would absolutely consider Beck a "true artist". He writes, sings, plays instruments, etc. Just because something isn't "Classical" does NOT mean it's not "ART". I agree regarding Kanye & Beyonce.
Of course non classical work can be art and I'm not saying Beck isn't talented. I enjoy and listen to many popular performers as well. However, I stand by my statement that the level of talent required/ difficulty of the performance repertoire is completely different in the classical genre and requires a dramatically higher level of skill and musical ability. After you've seen someone spend ten hours a day practicing a Beethoven sonata your perspective changes. I'd also extend this argument to some performers on Broadway who have to sing, act and dance with a great deal of skill. Again, that doesn't mean popular music and performers cannot be worthy and talented, but you are comparing apples to oranges.
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Re: Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
I'm not understanding any of this - In my opinion there is NO argument to be had over the validity of anyone's Grammy win or loss ........the ONLY issue here, is that a self important jerkoff took it upon himself to waltz onto the stage UNINVITED during a professional peer's acceptance of an award (and I use the term 'peer' lightly)
Unprofessional move 1 for Kanye, getting up on state, Strike 1 for society for tolerating it.
Unprofessional move 2 for Kayne was him running is mouth about who's deserving of the Grammy ..........Strike 2 for society was allowing him a platform to run his mouth.
Strikes 3 - 250 are for us, and the media going on and on and on about this and GIVING THIS JACKASS EXAXCTLY WHAT HE WANTS !!!! WE are making him relevant, WE are making it so he believes his opinion has any significance. Of COURSE it does, b/c we're all now talking about it
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Re: Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
Posted by MarisaK
I'm not understanding any of this - In my opinion there is NO argument to be had over the validity of anyone's Grammy win or loss ........the ONLY issue here, is that a self important jerkoff took it upon himself to waltz onto the stage UNINVITED during a professional peer's acceptance of an award (and I use the term 'peer' lightly)
Unprofessional move 1 for Kanye, getting up on state, Strike 1 for society for tolerating it.
Unprofessional move 2 for Kayne was him running is mouth about who's deserving of the Grammy ..........Strike 2 for society was allowing him a platform to run his mouth.
Strikes 3 - 250 are for us, and the media going on and on and on about this and GIVING THIS JACKASS EXAXCTLY WHAT HE WANTS !!!! WE are making him relevant, WE are making it so he believes his opinion has any significance. Of COURSE it does, b/c we're all now talking about it
I'd like to see him banned from the Grammy's going forward. They can put his songs in the category but his presence is no longer required at the awards shows.
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TyReseGreen
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Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
I have no issues with Beyoncé. Her music is amazing and she seems ok. A lot of people on this board hates her and maybe I missed it but did something happen for a lot of ladies on here to hate her?
As far as the Kanye/Kim and Jay Z/Beyoncé. I don't think Beyoncé likes Kim. Maybe her history (pre-Kanye).
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Re: Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
Posted by KittyShops
Beyonce doesn't have even 10% of the talent of a REAL singer like Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion (and I don't even care for 2 of them) - she's just well marketed.
My grammar is pretty poor in what I just wrote, but I'm too lazy to deal w/it.
Her voice is not on their level you're right but she can move 10xs better than them.
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Re: Something that's bothering me with this whole Kanye/beck thing
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Posted by KittyShops
Beyonce doesn't have even 10% of the talent of a REAL singer like Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion (and I don't even care for 2 of them) - she's just well marketed.
My grammar is pretty poor in what I just wrote, but I'm too lazy to deal w/it.
Her voice is not on their level you're right but she can move 10xs better than them.
Yes, that I can't argue with. I think she's more of an "entertainer" than a SINGER, per se.
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