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How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

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Smiles111
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How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

Scheduled to bring him tomorrow but now chickening out.

Can you please share your experiences?

Or your reasoning to do it or not do it?

Thanks!

Posted 10/17/12 3:28 PM
 
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ali120206
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How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

I'm not sure what their reactions were since I wasn't in the room when it was done but, they both had a good recovery. The area was red and looked painful for a week or so but, it didn't seem to bother them.

Posted 10/17/12 3:30 PM
 

mommyIam

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Re: How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

we had a mohel do it at a synagogue, but he was also a physician and trained to do the procure in hospitals. He brought the hospital to us.

Honestly, it was a lot less traumatic than I imagined it would be. DS barely cried, then slept for 10 hours. And healed perfectly.

Posted 10/17/12 3:30 PM
 

JRsMaMa
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Re: How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

DS had his done the day after he was born. I wanted it done but didn't know they were doing it that soon. They brought him to me after and he was sound asleep. No problems after either. It healed well and looks good.

Posted 10/17/12 3:30 PM
 

ny55angel
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P

How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

Ds healed well and quickly too. Unfortunately we had to have it redone at a year old, but he healed quickly and easily then too.

Posted 10/17/12 3:33 PM
 

2BadSoSad
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Re: How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

He seemed completely fine. I wasn't there when it was done, as they did it in the nursery the day after he was born. Healed fine, also.

Posted 10/17/12 3:35 PM
 

MCD0524
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How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

we did it in the hospital. They took him from the room and brought him back 1 hour later. He wasn't even crying. I think its worse for us parents then the baby. He will be okay :) It wasn't an option for us, I wanted it done for health reasons.

Posted 10/17/12 4:28 PM
 

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Re: How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

Both ds's had it done int he hospital by my OB. Both were back in less then 10 minutes. Ds1 didn't even cry. i mean nothing. He healed fast and we had no issues. Ds2 came back ok but then proceeded to cry for a solid 24 hours. It was horrible. He had it done at night and I had to pace the room bouncing a shushing him just to get him to quiet down a little. He literally cried non stop. It actually scared me since ds1 was nothing like this. After the first 24 hours he was fine and just whimpered a little for the first couple days at diaper changes. Both healed beautifully and the ped comments on what a nice job the ob did every time he checked them.

Posted 10/17/12 4:38 PM
 

Atherley
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How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

Ds has his done the day after her was born, I was not there when they did it, it only took a few minutes and by the time they bought him back to me he was sound asleep. The hospital had me put bacitacin on it after every diaper change for a few days until it healed.

Posted 10/17/12 8:49 PM
 

maybebaby
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Re: How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

My boys were fine. I didn't notice a reaction really. they both slept a while after it was done, then nothing!

Posted 10/17/12 8:53 PM
 

WestEndLove
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How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

Had DS on a Thurs and they did circ on Sat... Didn't phase him much just looked very red... We put Vaseline on gauze for a few weeks... For like 2 weeks it looked very red but he never showed signs of pain

Posted 10/17/12 8:57 PM
 

Grill
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Re: How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

Circumcision Trauma....CLICK HERE.
Your Mama instincts are kicking in. Go with your gut. Save your boy from this horrific procedure...that yes, he will eventually forget...but it will still impact his concept of the world. Just teach him to wash himself well....and there are no health ramifications. Women have folds too, and we don't cut the female clitoris off. It's the same tissue. Save your baby and listen to what your gut is telling you.

Disclaimer: The above paragraph is based on one Mom's opinion after she considered all the facts. It's not an arguable stance, just an opinion.

Message edited 10/17/2012 9:12:57 PM.

Posted 10/17/12 9:12 PM
 

Grill
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J

Re: How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

He Didn't Cry: Babies in Shock: http://www.drmomma.org/2011/03/he-didnt-cry-babies-in-shock.html

Posted in honor of Griffin Starr, who entered this world perfect, suffered infection and breathing difficulties, and was taken from the NICU to be cut this weekend. May your suffering and loss not be in vain. May many more, in your honor, be spared what you endured at the hand of those who refused information for your sake.
See below for photo credits.

This little one is not screaming. He is not sleeping. But he has gone into shock: a semi-comatose state that the human body slips into in order to physically survive extreme pain and trauma.

After the cutting of his genitals is complete, this little baby may sleep for many hours a day over the next several days or weeks (much more than is normal or healthy for a newborn, and similar to the deep depressive-state sleep that adults often slip into after trauma). He may experience severe 'colic' for weeks and months to come, as his body attempts to heal itself and deal with the very real pain and suffering of both a festering amputation wound, and post-traumatic stress. His cortisol levels (stress hormones) remain high. His metabolic brain functioning has changed. He may have trouble nursing or gaining weight, and he has a significantly greater risk of being deemed a 'failure to thrive' case. He will likely experience pain to a heightened degree in the future, even into adulthood. And his normal sexual functioning is forever impacted as a result of this alteration in form.


There are many side effects to the genital cutting of a human baby. Today, 68% of U.S. parents, 91% of Canadian parents, and the majority of the rest of the world keep their sons intact from birth. Please, be fully informed for the sake of your child.

Posted 10/17/12 9:14 PM
 

DreamsofBaby
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How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

I had it done at my ob office because I wanted him to do it and he couldn't make it to the hospital. I was very nervous a d sick to my stomach about it. I waited in the waiting room and it only took a few minutes. He was crying but I had a bottle ready for him so he calmed down quickly. Diaper changes were nerve wracking but bothered me more than him. It healed fast and he handled like a champ! Have Vaseline and a bunch of 3x3 or 4x4 gauze pads at home, you will need them for about a week after. Good luck!! He will be fine!

Posted 10/17/12 9:14 PM
 

Grill
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J

Re: How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

GENITAL AUTONOMY....It's not your penis to cut off. Here's some more info.


Are You Fully Informed?


To make a fully informed decision. That is what should happen among parents who still have the legal choice to decide whether or not to circumcise their newborn baby. However, studies have shown that all too often parents are simply posed with this question and nothing more:

Would you like to circumcise your son?

Now, there are many inherent problems with this question as it is stated. One is that it would be much more appropriate to ask, "Would you like to keep your son intact?" as this is the natural, normal way human beings (and all mammals), be they male or female, enter the world. To alter or modify a baby's body at birth is not the 'norm' and the question should not be stated as though it is. There is simply nothing typical or natural about cutting off 1/3 to 3/4 (depending on the size of the prepuce organ) of a tiny baby's sensitive genitals immediately upon entrance into the world.

However, these same studies demonstrate that most of the medical personnel posing this question to parents know no more about the prepuce (the organ amputated in U.S. style circumcision) or the surgery of circumcision than the mothers and fathers who are making the decision.

Rarely is a fully informed choice made. And in the case of a newborn baby, this choice is never a fully informed consented choice.

In fact, I have yet to see a parent who is fully informed on the purposes of the prepuce and circumcision elect to cut their baby. It just doesn't happen. The more you know, the worse it is. Period.

I have, however, witnessed those who say they 'researched' the subject by going to Google and hitting up Brian Morris' sponsored sites, by reading MSN news media, Edgar Schoen quotes, or Yahoo reports... by opening headlines from The New York Times or Washington Post.

Sorry, folks, pop media or skewed info from the circumfetish cutting kings doesn't count as 'research' to being fully informed - especially not on this subject. Not when it directly deals with the health, development, bonding and well-being of YOUR BABY. Your child. Who will grow up to be an adult, with a body that was designed perfectly for him - or one that was modified without his consent.

In an effort to stamp out a fraction of the ignorance that resounds throughout pop culture on any given day in North America, there are a number of articles and informative pieces presented here at peaceful parenting. I spent the better portion of my graduate years studying this subject. But you don't have to take 8 years of your life, or hundreds of thousands of dollars, to complete your own quick course on the subject.

If you'd really like to be fully informed in this matter -- one that certainly becomes more urgent, more severe, more horrifying, the more you know -- please don't stop at this site. Dig deeper. Learn more. Open books. Pour over medical journals. Dive into discussions with scholars who are in-the-know; doctors who do study the prepuce and circumcision; historians who know the literature inside and out.

By simply reading the articles and links provided on this site alone, you will be more informed than the vast majority of the rest of the U.S. population on the prepuce organ and circumcision. Yet, I encourage you, if you feel so inclined, to keep going. Check it out for yourself. Don't just take my word for it. And if, while you are out there researching and writing and questioning and building your own mental library of data on this subject, you feel so inclined to come back and write for us here at peaceful parenting - we'd love to have your fresh voice of insight and experience in the matter.

The following is a listing of books, websites, and articles to start with. There are thousands of empirical, peer-reviewed, research journal articles out there on the subject -- those that have been written for the past 100 years on the prepuce and circumcision -- and unfortunately we cannot reasonably list them all here. But these sources will get you off to a great start at being FULLY INFORMED.


BOOKS


What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Circumcision

Circumcision: What Every Parent Should Know

Marked in Your Flesh: Circumcision from Ancient Judea to Modern America

Circumcision: The Hidden Trauma

Circumcision: The Rest of the Story

Doctors Re-examine Circumcision

Circumcision: An American Health Fallacy

Circumcision: The Painful Dilemma

A Surgical Temptation: The Demonization of the Foreskin and the Rise of Circumcision in Britain

Circumcision: A History of the World's Most Controversial Surgery

Questioning Circumcision: A Jewish Perspective

Covenant of Blood: Circumcision and Gender in Rabbinic Judaism

Circumcision Exposed: Rethinking a Medical and Cultural Tradition

In the Name of Humanity: Speaking Out Against Circumcision

40 Compelling Reasons Why You Should Respect His Birthright and Keep Your Son Whole

Children's Genitals Under the Knife

As Nature Made Him: The Boy Who Was Raised As A Girl [1 detailed example of the consequences of botched circumcision]

Sex as Nature Intended It

A Mind of Its Own: A Cultural History of the Penis

The Joy of Uncircumcising *also found as downloadable book here

Crystallized Pathology: The Clitoris, the Penis and Women's Sexual Health *currently limited and ordered by request [email protected]

Circumcision *Mothering reprint of articles


WEBSITES
In Alphabetical Order


As Nature Intended
www.asnatureintended.info

Attorneys for the Rights of the Child
www.arclaw.org

Beyond the Bris
www.beyondthebris.com

Circumcision Decision Maker
http://circumcisiondecisionmaker.com

Catholics Against Circumcision
www.catholicsagainstcircumcision.org

Circumcision Information and Resource Pages
www.cirp.org

Circumcision Information Australia
www.circinfo.org/

Circumcision Information Resource Center of Colorado
www.coloradonocirc.org

The Circumcision Lawyer
www.TheCircumcisionLawyer.com

Circumcision Resource Center
www.circumcision.org

Doctors Opposing Circumcision
www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org

DrMomma.org
www.drmomma.org

End Routine Infant Circumcision
www.4eric.org

Foregen
www.foregen.org

Genital Autonomy
www.genitalautonomy.eu

Historical Medical Quotes on Circumcision
http://circumcisionquotes.com

History of Circumcision
www.historyofcircumcision.net

In Memory of the Sexually Mutilated Child
www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org

Intact America
www.intactamerica.org

Intact Georgia
www.intactgeorgia.com

The Intact Network
www.intactnetwork.org

Intact News
http://intactnews.org

The Intactivism Pages
www.circumstitions.com

International Coalition for Genital Integrity
www.icgi.org

Jewish Circumcision Resource Center
www.jewishcircumcision.org

Jews Against Circumcision
www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org

Male Circumcision and HIV
www.circumcisionandhiv.com

The Male Circumcision Information Site
www.circinfosite.com

MGM Bill: A Bill to End Male Genital Mutilation in the United States
www.mgmbill.org

Mothering Magazine
www.mothering.com

Mothers Against Circumcision
www.mothersagainstcirc.org

National Organization of Circumcision Information Resource Centers
www.nocirc.org

National Organization of Restoring Men
www.norm.org

National Organization to Halt the Abuse and Routine Mutilation of Males
www.noharmm.org

Not Just Skin
www.notjustskin.org

Nurses For the Rights of the Child
http://nurses.cirp.org

Peaceful Parenting
www.drmomma.org

Quran Circumcision [Islam]
www.quran.org/khatne.htm

Quranic Path [Islam]
www.quranicpath.com/misconceptions/circumcision.html

Restoring Tally
www.restoringtally.com

Ridged Band
www.theridgedband.info

Saving Our Sons
www.savingsons.org

Sex As Nature Intended It
www.sexasnatureintendedit.com

Stop The Cut
http://stopthecut.org

Stop Infant Circumcision Society
www.sicsociety.org
www.stopinfantcircumcision.org

Students for Genital Integrity
www.studentsforgenitalintegrity.org

TLC Tugger
www.tlctugger.com

Udonet - Circumcision
www.udonet.com/circumcision

Whole Baby Revolution
www.wholebabyrevolution.com


ARTICLES
The following are items cataloged at DrMomma.org
Additional news, blogs and printables located at The Intact Network


Functions of the Foreskin, Purposes of the Prepuce

The Phony Phimosis Diagnosis

Cut vs. Intact Outcome Statistics

Psychology Today Circumcision Series

Raising Intact Sons

Dr. Dean Edell Statement on Circumcision [+video]

2010 Meta-Analysis of 1200 studies concludes circumcision does much harm, no good

Birth As We Know It: Circumcision Clip

Circumcision Deserves Circumspection

Father/Son Matching Penises: Stop the Insanity! [Penn & Teller]

Plastibell Infant Circumcision

Restoration: The Uncircumcising of Men

The Day I Withdrew From Nursing School

How the Foreskin Protects Against UTIs

Death From Circumcision

You Made a Difference for That One

Circumcision: Already Illegal?

3rd Year Med Student Describes His 1st Circumcision Surgery

Circumcision: Take 3 (Jamie Brendon Stoud)

Babies DO Feel Circumcision Pain

Male Circumcision in the U.S.A. A Human Rights Primer

Dr. Aldeeb Encourages Action, Switzerland Moves Toward Universal Circumcision Ban

My Day [personal dialog]

2010 MGM Bill, March & Demonstration in Washington D.C.

MGM Bill Submitted to Congress

UK Fails to Halt Female Circumcision / US Fails to Halt Male Circumcision

History of Female Circumcision in the United States

The Cut: Documentary on Female Circumcision in Africa

Egypt Makes First Circumcision Arrest

Cleanse Your Children: A Parody

The Effects of Circumcision on Breastfeeding

My Story of Ritual Abuse

Jewish Father's Letter to Son

Heartfelt Gift: Apologizing to Our Sons

Circumcision: What I Wish I'd Known

Stealing Foreskins: The Science of Skin Grafting

4 Year Old Hospitalized after Circumcision Escape Attempt

Forced Retraction: Now What?

I Want My Foreskin for Giftmas

The Circumcision Secret

Forgive Me Love: Music Videos & Free Bumper Stickers

My Beautiful Boy, I am Sorry

Protect Your Intact Son

Jack Black [Year One] & Circumcision in Antiquity

Circumcision Increases Breastfeeding Complications

Religious Reasons for Circumcision Could Breach Human Rights

Circumcision & Breastfeeding

Babies Remember Circumcision Pain

Babies Voice Objections to Circumcision

Mothers Observe Sons Circumcision Surgeries

Dr. Dean Edell Discusses Africa, HIV and Circumcision

Doctors Reject Circumcision as HIV Prevention

HIV Increases in Africa Where Most Men Circumcised

Circumcision & AIDS [video]

Nuts & Bolts of HIV in the USA and why Circumcision Won't Protect Men

The Truth about Circumcision & HIV

African Circumcision Study Ends Early After HIV Increases Among Women

Hypospadias: Surgery and Circumcision

Brian Morris and his circumfetish push to cut the world (a parody)

Circumcision: How Much Does It Hurt?

Patti Ramos: Circumcision Photos

Intactivists: Those Uncommon Activists

Male Circumcision & Women's Health

The Case Against Circumcision

Infection Takes Over Body After Circumcision [Pediatric Urology]

Dr. Sears Statement on Circumcision

MRI Studies: Brain Permanently Altered from Circumcision

Effects of Male Circumcision on Female Arousal and Orgasm

How Male Circumcision Impacts Your Love Life

A Change in How Intercourse Works

Improve Marital Sex: Keep the Foreskins

Male Circumcision Hurts Women

The Foreskins in Oprah's Face Cream

Father Speaks on Oprah about Circumcision

Circumcision Study Ends Early Due to Infant Trauma

Class Action Suit: Circumcised Men Sue & Win

AAP Demonstation in D.C. Oct 2009

New York: Baby Dies from Circumcision

Babies Dies from Circumcision in South Dakota

Baby Dies from Circumcision During Jewish Bris

Circumcision & Christianity

Christianity & Circumcision Resources

Christians: Baptism, Not Circumcision

The Morality of Circumcision According to the Catholic Church

Judaism & Circumcision Resources

CUT: Slicing Through the Myths of Circumcision [video]

Jewish Mother on Circumcision [video]

Misdemeanor Child Abuse For Circumcising Sons

Tattoos and Circumcision of Children

A Dad's View of Circumcision

Infant Pain Increases Adult Sensitivity to Pain

The First Cut is the Deepest

Genital Cutting on those who cannot say NO

Stop Male Genital Mutilation

UTI/Medical Tests: DO NOT RETRACT!

Only Clean What is Seen: Reversing the Epidemic of Forced Retraction

Q&A: Forced Foreskin Retraction

Q&A: Circumcision Regret

Sex Ed: Penis 101

Circumcision: Will You Make the Cut?

New York Times Bloggingheads: Circumcision For All?

Intact: Let's Use Correct Terminology

The Circumcision Decision with Dr. Dean Edell

My Son: The Little Jew with a Foreskin

I'm a Doctor, A Jew, A Father & Grandfather: My Thoughts on Circumcision

Cutting Boys Cuts to the Core

What is Done to Children... they will do to society

Intact vs. Circumcised: Penis Sensitivity Studies

Letter from Georganne Chapin regarding CDC and New York Times Article on Circumcision

Here We Go Again - New York Times on HIV and Circumcision

The Appendix: Useful & Promising [much like the prepuce...]

Australians Argue for Circumcision Ban

Penn & Teller: BullSh*t Episode

Willy Nilly Circumcision Sparks Legal Fear For Doctors

Jury Convicts Mom of Mutilation

Mother of 2 Circumcised Sons Researches Before Baby Boy #3 & Keeps Him Intact [video]

Major Problems with African Based HIV 'Studies'

Circumcision & Human Behavior

Teen Sexual Health in U.S. & Europe: Why the Difference?

Penn Says: Put Down the Knife - Step Away From the Baby

The Sexual Effects of Circumcision

Dr. Christane Northrup ("Women's Bodies, Women's Wisdom" author) on Circumcision

American Baby Magazine: Circumcision, Lies & CDC Misquotes

Circumcision: A Response to Skeptics

How to Care for an Intact Penis

Painful Urination

Basic Care of the Intact Child

Questions Regarding Normal Separation of Prepuce

Intact American CDC Petition

10 Reasons to Take Your Whole Baby Home

Information for Circumcised Fathers Making a Choice for their Sons

Avoiding the Cobra Pose: Circumcised Boys Move Bodies Differently

A Visitor is Shocked

Circumcised? Sue and Win

Thank you Daddy [Fathers who protected their sons are thanked]

Circumcision Info & Resource Links [all found on this page as well]

Circumcision Primer for Christians [authors unknown]

The Cruelest Cut: Fox News Report

Circumcision & Christianity [a soap box rant]

Perfectly Intact! Birth Certificate

Intact America Invites Your Stories

Never Too Old

As Nature Intended

MA MGM Bill Hearing

Georganne Chapin on Fox News

Fox News Report on MA MGM Bill

MA MGM Bill Public Testimonies

Until the Violence Stops!

McGill University Study on Male Body Image & Genital Self Esteem

Circumcision: The Uncut Version (Kate Holt's site)

Cervical Cancer: A Reason for Circumcision?

Male Circumcision & Cervical Cancer

Cervical Cancer & Circumcision

Sandra Bullock Cuts Newly Adopted Son

Article Asks, "Are Infant Foreskins the New Botox?"

My Son is Circumcised, and I Support the MGM Bill

Turtle Heads

Stepping Away From Friendship in the Name of Human Rights

American Baby Intactivist in Scotland

A Strategic Approach to End Infant Circumcision in Canada


MEDICAL STUDIES

The following is a sampling of peer reviewed medical studies pertaining to circumcision and the prepuce (foreskin) that has been published and is accessible in full or part online. List compiled in part by the Circumcision Resource Center at Circumcision.org. To add a study to this list, write to [email protected]

Circumcision Information and Resource Pages - CIRP.org - houses a significant amount of published literature and journal articles available for online viewing.

The International Symposia on Law, Genital Autonomy and Children's Rights (Symposia details here) publishes scholarly articles from the symposia. The first through the eleventh symposia curriculum are linked from the National Organization of Circumcision Information Resource Centers here.

Publications include:

Genital Autonomy: Protecting Personal Choice (2010)

Circumcision and Human Rights (2009)

Bodily Integrity and the Politics of Circumcision: Culture, Controversy and Change (2006)

Flesh and Blood: Perspectives on the Problem of Circumcision in Contemporary Society (2003)

Understanding Circumcision: A Multi-Disciplinary Approach to a Multi-Dimentional Problem (2001)

Male and Female Circumcision: Medical, Legal and Ethical Considerations in Pediatric Practice (1999)

Sexual Mutilations: A Human Tragedy (1997)

Journal Articles


Circumcision is Associated with Adult Difficulty in Identifying and Expressing Feelings

This preliminary study investigates what role early trauma might have in alexithymia (difficulty in identifying and expressing feelings) acquisition for adults by controlling for male circumcision. Three hundred self-selected men were administered the Toronto Twenty-Item Alexithymia Scale checklist and a personal history questionnaire. The circumcised men had age-adjusted alexithymia scores 19.9 percent higher than the intact men; were 1.57 times more likely to have high alexithymia scores; were 2.30 times less likely to have low alexithymia scores; had higher prevalence of two of the three alexithymia factors (difficulty identifying feelings and difficulty describing feelings); and were 4.53 times more likely to use an erectile dysfunction drug. Alexithymia in this population of adult men is statistically significant for having experienced circumcision trauma and for erectile dysfunction drug use. http://mensstudies.metapress.com/content/2772r13175400432/
Bollinger, D. and Van Howe, R. , "Alexithymia and Circumcision Trauma: A Preliminary Investigation," International Journal of Men's Health (2011);184-195.

Circumcision Associated with Sexual Difficulties in Men and Women

A new national survey in Denmark, where about 5% of men are circumcised, examined associations of circumcision with a range of sexual measures in both sexes. Circumcised men were more likely to report frequent orgasm difficulties, and women with circumcised spouses more often reported incomplete sexual needs fulfillment and frequent sexual function difficulties overall, notably orgasm difficulties, and painful sexual intercourse. Thorough examination of these matters in areas where male circumcision is more common is warranted. http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2011/06/13/ije.dyr104.short?rss=1
Frisch, M., Lindholm, M., and Grønbæk, M., "Male Circumcision and Sexual Function in Men and Women: A Survey-based, Cross-sectional Study in Denmark," International Journal of Epidemiology (2011);1–15.

Circumcision is Associated with Premature Ejaculation

Premature ejaculation (PE) is common. However, it has been under-reported and under-treated. The aim of the study was to determine the prevalence of PE and to investigate possible associated factors of PE. This cross-sectional study was conducted at a primary care clinic over a 3-month period in 2008. Men aged 18-70 years attending the clinic were recruited, and they completed self-administered questionnaires. A total of 207 men were recruited with a response rate of 93.2%. Their mean age was 46.0 years. The prevalence of PE was 40.6%. No significant association was found between age and PE. Multivariate analysis showed that erectile dysfunction, circumcision, and sexual intercourse =5 times in 4 weeks were predictors of PE. These associations need further confirmation. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2011.02280.x/full
Tang, W. and Khoo, E. "Prevalence and Correlates of Premature Ejaculation in a Primary Care Setting: A Preliminary Cross-Sectional Study," Journal of Sexual Medicine (2011) Apr 14.

Claim of Circumcision Benefit is Overstated and Premature

Further research is required to assess the feasibility, desirability and cost-effectiveness of circumcision to reduce the acquisition of HIV. This paper endorses the need for such research and suggests that, in its absence, it is premature to promote circumcision as a reliable strategy for combating HIV. Since articles in leading medical journals as well as the popular press continue to do so, scientific researchers should think carefully about how their conclusions may be translated both to policy makers and to a more general audience. The importance of addressing ethico-legal concerns that such trials may raise is highlighted. The understandable haste to find a solution to the HIV pandemic means that the promise offered by preliminary and specific research studies may be overstated. This may mean that ethical concerns are marginalized. Such haste may also obscure the need to be attentive to local cultural sensitivities, which vary from one African region to another, in formulating policy concerning circumcision. http://jme.bmj.com/content/36/12/798.abstract
Fox, M. and Thomson, M., "HIV/AIDS and Circumcision : Lost in Translation," Journal of Medical Ethics 36 (2010):798-801.

Circumcision/HIV Claims are Based on Insufficient Evidence

An article endorsed by thirty-two professionals questions the results of three highly publicized African circumcision studies. The studies claim that circumcision reduces HIV transmission, and they are being used to promote circumcisions. Substantial evidence in this article refutes the claim of the studies. Examples in the article include the following: Circumcision is associated with increased transmission of HIV to women. Conditions for the studies were unlike conditions found in real-world settings. Other studies show that male circumcision is not associated with reduced HIV transmission. The U.S. has a high rate of HIV infection and a high rate of circumcision. Other countries have low rates of circumcision and low rates of HIV infection. Condoms are 95 times more cost effective in preventing HIV transmission. Circumcision removes healthy, functioning, unique tissue, raising ethical considerations. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20965388
Green, L. et al., "Male Circumcision and HIV Prevention: Insufficient Evidence and Neglected External Validity," American Journal of Preventive Medicine 39 (2010): 479-82.

In National Survey Circumcision Had No Protective Effect

A survey of South African men showed that circumcision had no protective effect in the prevention of HIV transmission. This is a concern, and has implications for the possible adoption of mass male circumcision strategy both as a public health policy and an HIV prevention strategy. http://www.ajol.info/index.php/samj/article/view/14003
Connolly, C. et al., South African Medical Journal 98(2008): 789-794.

Circumcision is Not Cost Effective

The findings suggest that behavior change programs are more efficient and cost effective than circumcision. Providing free condoms is estimated to be significantly less costly, more effective in comparison to circumcising, and at least 95 times more cost effective at stopping the spread of HIV in Sub-Saharan Africa. In addition, condom usage provides protection for women as well as men. This is significant in an area where almost 61% of adults living with AIDS are women. http://www.ajol.info/index.php/samj/article/viewFile/14003/2617
McAllister, R. et al., "The Cost to Circumcise Africa," American Journal of Men's Health 7(2008): 307-316.

Circumcision/HIV Have Incomplete Evaluation

The push to institute mass circumcision in Africa, following the three randomized clinical trials (RCTs) conducted in Africa, is based on an incomplete evaluation of real-world preventive effects over the long-term – effects that may be quite different outside the research setting and circumstances, with their access to resources, sanitary standards and intensive counseling. Moreover, proposals for mass circumcision lack a thorough and objective consideration of costs in relation to hoped-for benefits. No field-test has been performed to evaluate the effectiveness, complications, personnel requirements, costs and practicality of proposed approaches in real-life conditions. These are the classic distinctions between efficacy and effectiveness trials, and between internal validity and external validity.

Campaigns to promote safe-sex behaviors have been shown to accomplish a high rate of infection reduction, without the surgical risks and complications of circumcision, and at a much lower cost. For the health community to rush to recommend a program based on incomplete evidence is both premature and ill-advised. It misleads the public by promoting false hope from uncertain conclusions and might ultimately aggravate the problem by altering people’s behavioral patterns and exposing them and their partners to new or expanded risks. Given these problems, circumcision of adults, and especially of children, by coercion or by false hope, raises human rights concerns. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2801441/?tool=pmcentrez&render
Green, L. et al., "Male Circumcision is Not the HIV ‘Vaccine’ We Have Been Waiting For!" Future Medicine 2 (2008): 193-199, DOI 10.2217/17469600.2.3.193.

Circumcision Decreases Sexual Pleasure

A questionnaire was used to study the sexuality of men circumcised as adults compared to uncircumcised men, and to compare their sex lives before and after circumcision. The study included 373 sexually active men, of whom 255 were circumcised and 118 were not. Of the 255 circumcised men, 138 had been sexually active before circumcision, and all were circumcised at >20 years of age. Masturbatory pleasure decreased after circumcision in 48% of the respondents, while 8% reported increased pleasure. Masturbatory difficulty increased after circumcision in 63% of the respondents but was easier in 37%. About 6% answered that their sex lives improved, while 20% reported a worse sex life after circumcision. There was a decrease in masturbatory pleasure and sexual enjoyment after circumcision, indicating that adult circumcision adversely affects sexual function in many men, possibly because of complications of the surgery and a loss of nerve endings. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2006.06646.x/abstract
Kim, D. and Pang, M., "The Effect of Male Circumcision on Sexuality," BJU International 99 (2007): 619-22.

Circumcision Removes the Most Sensitive Parts of the Penis

A sensitivity study of the adult penis in circumcised and uncircumcised men shows that the uncircumcised penis is significantly more sensitive. The most sensitive location on the circumcised penis is the circumcision scar on the ventral surface. Five locations on the uncircumcised penis that are routinely removed at circumcision are significantly more sensitive than the most sensitive location on the circumcised penis.

In addition, the glans (head) of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine touch than the glans of the uncircumcised penis. The tip of the foreskin is the most sensitive region of the uncircumcised penis, and it is significantly more sensitive than the most sensitive area of the circumcised penis. Circumcision removes the most sensitive parts of the penis.

This study presents the first extensive testing of fine touch pressure thresholds of the adult penis. The monofiliment testing instruments are calibrated and have been used to test female genital sensitivity. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17378847
Sorrells, M. et al., “Fine-Touch Pressure Thresholds in the Adult Penis,” BJU International 99 (2007): 864-869.

Circumcision Policy Influenced by Psychosocial Factors

The debate about the advisability of circumcision in English-speaking countries typically has focused on potential health factors. The position statements of committees from national medical organisations are expected to be evidence-based; however, the contentiousness of the ongoing debate suggests that other factors are involved. Various potential factors related to psychology, sociology, religion, and culture may also underlie policy decisions. These factors could affect the values and attitudes of medical committee members, the process of evaluating the medical literature, and the medical literature itself. Although medical professionals highly value rationality, it can be difficult to conduct a rational and objective evaluation of an emotional and controversial topic such as circumcision. A negotiated compromise between polarized committee factions could introduce additional psychosocial factors. These possibilities are speculative, not conclusive. It is recommended that an open discussion of psychosocial factors take place and that the potential biases of committee members be recognized. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2724127/
Goldman, R., “Circumcision Policy: A Psychosocial Perspective,” Paediatrics & Child Health 9 (2004): 630-633.

Circumcision is Not Good Health Policy

A cost-utility analysis, based on published data from multiple observational studies, comparing boys circumcised at birth and those not circumcised was undertaken using the Quality of Well-being Scale, a Markov analysis, the standard reference case, and a societal perspective. Neonatal circumcision increased incremental costs by $828.42 per patient and resulted in an incremental 15.30 well-years lost per 1000 males. If neonatal circumcision was cost-free, pain-free, and had no immediate complications, it was still more costly than not circumcising. Using sensitivity analysis, it was impossible to arrange a scenario that made neonatal circumcision cost-effective. Neonatal circumcision is not good health policy, and support for it as a medical procedure cannot be justified financially or medically. http://www.mendeley.com/research/costutility-analysis-neonatal-circumcision/
Van Howe, R., “A Cost-Utility Analysis of Neonatal Circumcision,” Medical Decision Making 24 (2004):584-601.

Pain, Trauma, Sexual, and Psychological Effects of Circumcision

Infant male circumcision continues despite growing questions about its medical justification. As usually performed without analgesia or anaesthetic, circumcision is observably painful. It is likely that genital cutting has physical, sexual and psychological consequences, too. Some studies link involuntary male circumcision with a range of negative emotions and even post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Some circumcised men have described their current feelings in the language of violation, torture, mutilation and sexual assault. In view of the acute as well as long-term risks from circumcision and the legal liabilities that might arise, it is timely for health professionals and scientists to re-examine the evidence on this issue and participate in the debate about the advisability of this surgical procedure on unconsenting minors. http://epublications.bond.edu.au/hss_pubs/36/
Boyle G. et al., "Male Circumcision: Pain, Trauma and Psychosexual Sequelae," Journal of Health Psychology (2002): 329-343.

Circumcision Results in Significant Loss of Erogenous Tissue

A report published in the British Journal of Urology assessed the type and amount of tissue missing from the adult circumcised penis by examining adult foreskins obtained at autopsy. Investigators found that circumcision removes about one-half of the erogenous tissue on the penile shaft. The foreskin, according to the study, protects the head of the penis and is comprised of unique zones with several kinds of specialized nerves that are important to optimum sexual sensitivity. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8800902
Taylor, J. et al., "The Prepuce: Specialized Mucosa of the Penis and Its Loss to Circumcision," BJU 77 (1996): 291–295.

Circumcision Affects Sexual Behavior

A study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that circumcision provided no significant prophylactic benefit and that circumcised men were more likely to engage in various sexual practices. Specifically, circumcised men were significantly more likely to masturbate and to participate in heterosexual oral sex than uncircumcised men. http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/277/13/1052
Laumann, E. et al., "Circumcision in the U.S.: Prevalence, Prophylactic Effects, and Sexual Practice," JAMA 277 (1997): 1052–1057.

Researchers Demonstrate Traumatic Effects of Circumcision

A team of Canadian researchers produced new evidence that circumcision has long-lasting traumatic effects. An article published in the international medical journal The Lancet reported the effect of infant circumcision on pain response during subsequent routine vaccination. The researchers tested 87 infants at 4 months or 6 months of age. The boys who had been circumcised were more sensitive to pain than the uncircumcised boys. Differences between groups were significant regarding facial action, crying time, and assessments of pain.

The authors believe that "neonatal circumcision may induce long-lasting changes in infant pain behavior because of alterations in the infant’s central neural processing of painful stimuli." They also write that "the long-term consequences of surgery done without anaesthesia are likely to include post-traumatic stress as well as pain. It is therefore possible that the greater vaccination response in the infants circumcised without anaesthesia may represent an infant analogue of a post-traumatic stress disorder triggered by a traumatic and painful event and re-experienced under similar circumstances of pain during vaccination." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9057731
Taddio, A. et al., "Effect of Neonatal Circumcision on Pain Response during Subsequent Routine Vaccination," The Lancet 349 (1997): 599–603.

Circumcision Study Halted Due to Trauma

Researchers found circumcision so traumatic that they ended the study early rather than subject any more infants to the operation without anesthesia. Those infants circumcised without anesthesia experienced not only severe pain, but also an increased risk of choking and difficulty breathing. The findings were published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. Up to 96% of infants in some areas of the United States receive no anesthesia during circumcision. No anesthetic currently in use for circumcisions is effective during the most painful parts of the procedure. http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/278/24/2157.short?cited-by=yes&legid=jama;278/24/2157
Lander, J. et al., "Comparison of Ring Block, Dorsal Penile Nerve Block, and Topical Anesthesia for Neonatal Circumcision," JAMA 278 (1997): 2157–2162.

Circumcised Penis Requires More Care in Young Boys

The circumcised penis requires more care than the natural penis during the first three years of life, according to a report in the British Journal of Urology. The clinical findings of an American pediatrician showed that circumcised boys were significantly more likely to have skin adhesions, trapped debris, irritated urinary opening, and inflammation of the glans (head of the penis) than were boys with a foreskin. Furthermore, because there are large variations of appearance in circumcised boys, circumcision for cosmetic reasons should be discouraged. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1464-410X.1997.00467.x/pdf
Van Howe, R., "Variability in Penile Appearance and Penile Findings: A Prospective Study," BJU 80 (1997): 776–782.

Poll of Circumcised Men Reveals Harm

A poll of circumcised men published in the British Journal of Urology describes adverse outcomes on men’s health and well-being. Findings showed wide-ranging physical, sexual, and psychological consequences. Some respondents reported prominent scarring and excessive skin loss. Sexual consequences included progressive loss of sensitivity and sexual dysfunction. Emotional distress followed the realization that they were missing a functioning part of their penis. Low-self esteem, resentment, avoidance of intimacy, and depression were also noted. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1085.x/pdf
Hammond, T., "A Preliminary Poll of Men Circumcised in Infancy or Childhood," BJU 83 (1999): suppl. 1: 85–92

Psychological Effects of Circumcision Studied

An article titled "The Psychological Impact of Circumcision" reports that circumcision results in behavioral changes in infants and long-term unrecognized psychological effects on men. The piece reviews the medical literature on infants’ responses to circumcision and concludes, "there is strong evidence that circumcision is overwhelmingly painful and traumatic." The article notes that infants exhibit behavioral changes after circumcision, and some men have strong feelings of anger, shame, distrust, and grief about having been circumcised. In addition, circumcision has been shown to disrupt the mother-infant bond, and some mothers report significant distress after allowing their son to be circumcised. Psychological factors perpetuate circumcision. According to the author, "defending circumcision requires minimizing or dismissing the harm and producing overstated medical claims about protection from future harm. The ongoing denial requires the acceptance of false beliefs and misunderstanding of facts. These psychological factors affect professionals, members of religious groups, and parents involved in the practice."

Expressions from circumcised men are generally lacking because most circumcised men do not understand what circumcision is, emotional repression keeps feelings from awareness, or men may be aware of these feelings but afraid of disclosure. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1093.x/abstract
Goldman, R., "The Psychological Impact of Circumcision," BJU 83 (1999): suppl. 1: 93–102

Serious Consequences of Circumcision Trauma in Adult Men Clinically Observed

Using four case examples that are typical among his clients, a practicing psychiatrist presents clinical findings regarding the serious and sometimes disabling long-term somatic, emotional, and psychological consequences of infant circumcision in adult men. These consequences resemble complex post-traumatic stress disorder and emerge during psychotherapy focused on the resolution of perinatal and developmental trauma. Adult symptoms associated with circumcision trauma include shyness, anger, fear, powerlessness, distrust, low self-esteem, relationship difficulties, and sexual shame. Long-term psychotherapy dealing with early trauma resolution appears to be effective in healing these consequences. http://www.cmaj.ca/content/154/6/769.abstract
Rhinehart, J., "Neonatal Circumcision Revistited," Transactional Analysis Journal 29 (1999): 215-221

Anatomy and Function of the Foreskin Documented

A new article describes the foreskin (prepuce) as an integral, normal part of the genitals of mammals. It is specialized, protective, erogenous tissue. A description of the complex nerve structure of the penis explains why anesthetics provide incomplete pain relief during circumcision. Cutting off the foreskin removes many fine-touch receptors from the penis and results in thickening and desensitization of the glans outer layer. The complex anatomy and function of the foreskin dictate that circumcision should be avoided or deferred until the person can make an informed decision as an adult. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1034.x/pdf
Cold, C. and Taylor, J., "The Prepuce," BJU 83 (1999): suppl. 1: 34–44.

Male Circumcision Affects Female Sexual Enjoyment

A survey of women who have had sexual experience with circumcised and anatomically complete partners showed that the anatomically complete penis was preferred over the circumcised penis. Without the foreskin to provide a movable sleeve of skin, intercourse with a circumcised penis resulted in female discomfort from increased friction, abrasion, and loss of natural secretions. Respondents overwhelmingly concurred that the mechanics of coitus were different for the two groups of men. Unaltered men tended to thrust more gently with shorter strokes. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1079.x/pdf
O’Hara, K. and O’Hara, J., "The Effect of Male Circumcision on the Sexual Enjoyment of the Female Partner," BJU 83 (1999): suppl. 1: 79–84

Male Circumcision and Psychosexual Effects Investigated

Infant male circumcision continues despite growing questions about its medical justification. As usually performed without analgesia or anesthetic, circumcision is observably painful. It is likely that genital cutting has physical, sexual, and psychological consequences, too. Some studies link involuntary male circumcision with a range of negative emotions and even post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Some circumcised men have described their current feelings in the language of violation, torture, mutilation, and sexual assault. In view of the acute as well as long-term risks from circumcision and the legal liabilities that might arise, it is timely for health professionals and scientists to re-examine the evidence on this issue and participate in the debate about the advisability of this surgical procedure on unconsenting minors. http://epublications.bond.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1036&context=hss_pubs
Boyle, G., Goldman, R., Svoboda, J.S., and Fernandez, E., "Male Circumcision: Pain, Trauma, and Psychosexual Sequelae," Journal of Health Psychology 7 (2002): 329-343.

Surveys Reveal Adverse Sexual and Psychological Effects of Circumcision

A survey of the 35 female and 42 gay sexual partners of circumcised and genitally intact men, and a separate survey of 53 circumcised and genitally intact men, and a separate survey of 30 genitally intact men themselves indicated that circumcised men experienced significantly reduced sexual sensation along with associated long-lasting negative emotional consequences. http://www.amsciepub.com/doi/abs/10.2466/pr0.2001.88.3c.1105
Boyle, G. and Bensley, G., "Adverse Sexual and Psychological Effects of Male Infant Circumcision,". Psychological Reports 88 (2001): 1105-1106.

Foreskin Reduces the Force Required for Penetration and Increases Comfort

Masters and Johnson observed that the foreskin unrolled with intercourse. However, they overlooked a prior observation that intromission (i.e., penetration) was thereby made easier. To evaluate this observation an artificial introitus was mounted on scales. Repeated measurements showed a 10-fold reduction of force on entry with an initially unretracted foreskin as compared to entry with a retracted foreskin. For the foreskin to reduce the force required it must cover most of the glans when the penis is erect. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12208206
Taves, D., "The Intromission Function of the Foreskin," Med Hypotheses 59 (2002): 180.

Survey of Men Circumcised as Adults Shows Mixed Results

Men circumcised as adults were surveyed to assess erectile function, penile sensitivity, sexual activity and overall satisfaction. Over 80% of these men were circumcised to treat a medical problem. The response rate was 44% among potential responders. Mean age of responders was 42 years at circumcision and 46 years at survey. Adult circumcision appears to result in worsened erectile function, decreased penile sensitivity, no change in sexual activity, and improved satisfaction. Of the men 50% reported benefits and 38% reported harm. Overall, 62% of men were satisfied with having been circumcised. Note: Results may be affected by the fact that there was no sample of normal, healthy, genitally intact men for comparison. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11956453
Fink, K., Carson, C., DeVellis, R., "Adult Circumcision Outcomes Study: Effect on Erectile Function, Penile Sensitivity, Sexual Activity and Satisfaction," J Urol 167 (2002): 2113-2116.

Survey Finds Circumcision Contributes to Vaginal Dryness

The impact of male circumcision on vaginal dryness during coitus was investigated. We conducted a survey of 35 female sexual partners aged 18 to 69 years who had experienced sexual intercourse with both circumcised and genitally intact men. Women reported they were significantly more likely to have experienced vaginal dryness during intercourse with circumcised than with genitally intact men. http://journal.nzma.org.nz/journal/116-1181/595/
Bensley, G. and Boyle, G., "Effects of Male Circumcision on Female Arousal and Orgasm," N Z Med J 116 (2003): 595-596.

Early Adverse Experiences May Lead to Abnormal Brain Development and Behavior

Self-destructive behavior in current society promotes a search for psychobiological factors underlying this epidemic. The brain of the newborn infant is particularly vulnerability to early adverse experiences, leading to abnormal development and behavior. Although several investigations have correlated newborn complications with abnormal adult behavior, our understanding of the underlying mechanisms remains rudimentary. Models of early experience, such as repetitive pain, sepsis, or maternal separation in rodents and other species have noted multiple alterations in the adult brain, correlated with specific behavioral types depending on the timing and nature of the adverse experience. The mechanisms mediating such changes in the newborn brain have remained largely unexplored. Maternal separation, sensory isolation (understimulation), and exposure to extreme or repetitive pain (overstimulation) may cause altered brain development (Circumcision is described as an intervention with long-term neurobehavioral effects.) These changes promote two distinct behavioral types characterized by increased anxiety, altered pain sensitivity, stress disorders, hyperactivity/attention deficit disorder, leading to impaired social skills and patterns of self-destructive behavior. The clinical importance of these mechanisms lies in the prevention of early adverse experiences and effective treatment of newborn pain and stress. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10657682
Anand, K. and Scalzo, F., "Can Adverse Neonatal Experiences Alter Brain Development and Subsequent Behavior? Biol Neonate 77 (2000): 69-82

Posted 10/17/12 9:19 PM
 

computergirl
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Re: How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

Grill, in your first post, you shared your opinion. And there's nothing wrong with that-- the OP did ask for people's opinions, and you gave it. I don't agree with your stance, but I respect your right to share it.

But then you went and spammed us with like, multiple pages of radical propaganda. Look, I respect your passion for the penis, but come on now. Nobody wants to be beat over the head with your opinion. Just state your case and move on.

Posted 10/17/12 9:25 PM
 

Grill
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Re: How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

But then you went and spammed us with like, multiple pages of radical propaganda. Look, I respect your passion for the penis, but come on now. Nobody wants to be beat over the head with your opinion. Just state your case and move on.



I feel like I need to substantiate my opinion with reputable research and relevant resources since it's a minority opinion. I know it's a lot. The OP and other readers can pick and choose or ignore. It's there for the taking or leaving...not beating anyone with it.

Posted 10/17/12 9:29 PM
 

maybebaby
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Re: How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

Grill-the penis is not being "cut off". That sounds a bit much, no?

And there are a lot of reasons TO circumcise as well. Tons of men having it done as they get older...and they will all tell you that they wish it were done earlier.

I'm not saying that people NEED to do it. It's a personal decision, but I absolutely loathe when people spew all this information for reasons against it.

We had our reasons for circumcising our sons. It wasn't a purely aesthetic reason. My own grandfather, who was never circumcised made sure I was doing it to my sons..he's suffered from problems as he's aged due to not having had it done.

Posted 10/17/12 9:30 PM
 

maybebaby
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Re: How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

and i'm sorry but some of the things listed "circumcised boys move their bodies differently" is just ridiculous. What BS. Some of the claims I would read and respect for their medical opinions, but that is insane to me.

Posted 10/17/12 9:32 PM
 

Jacksmommy
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Re: How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

Posted by Grill

But then you went and spammed us with like, multiple pages of radical propaganda. Look, I respect your passion for the penis, but come on now. Nobody wants to be beat over the head with your opinion. Just state your case and move on.



I feel like I need to substantiate my opinion with reputable research and relevant resources since it's a minority opinion. I know it's a lot. The OP and other readers can pick and choose or ignore. It's there for the taking or leaving...not beating anyone with it.



I don't think you can call your research "reputable". It is one sided! Just like EVERYTHING you post. I don't think you have posted 1 thing that was not radical! Its like you look for posts like this just to push your agenda! Not everyone agrees.

To the original poster - DS had it done and it was fine. He didn't even cry and it healed quickly. If you aren't comfortable, then don't do it. I did it for religious reasons and I would do it again.

Posted 10/17/12 9:35 PM
 

jdbaby
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How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

My DS had it done at Stony Brook at 12 months. He was totally fine and back to his normal self by 24 hours. Healing was maybe a week. It's not as dramatic as it sounds above.

Posted 10/17/12 9:54 PM
 

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Re: How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

Posted by computergirl

Grill, in your first post, you shared your opinion. And there's nothing wrong with that-- the OP did ask for people's opinions, and you gave it. I don't agree with your stance, but I respect your right to share it.

But then you went and spammed us with like, multiple pages of radical propaganda. Look, I respect your passion for the penis, but come on now. Nobody wants to be beat over the head with your opinion. Just state your case and move on.



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Posted 10/17/12 9:58 PM
 

itsbabytime
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Re: How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

Wow never seen all that crazy info on circumcision - never heard of anyone questioning it. I will say though that my DS was circumcised in the hospital without any issues at all. The only baby I know that wasn't (for medical reasons) was on antibiotics twice in the first six months of life for UTI's which the Dr. attributed to the child not being circumcised. That's a no-go in my book.

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Posted 10/17/12 10:00 PM
 

ny55angel
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Re: How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

Posted by Grill

But then you went and spammed us with like, multiple pages of radical propaganda. Look, I respect your passion for the penis, but come on now. Nobody wants to be beat over the head with your opinion. Just state your case and move on.



I feel like I need to substantiate my opinion with reputable research and relevant resources since it's a minority opinion. I know it's a lot. The OP and other readers can pick and choose or ignore. It's there for the taking or leaving...not beating anyone with it.



You don't need to substantiate your opinion when you have already linked to it in a prior post. You are not providing reputable research and relevant information when it is a completely one sided article. Reputable studies provide pros, cons and controls for their research. For them to say that my son feels like a part of him missing is crazy. For them to say "I think I might die" is a bit harsh don't you think?!?! I am sure the OP is completely capable of doing her own research and has her own personal opinions on why she is making the choice she is making. for this to be turned into a for/against drama thread is childish.

Posted 10/17/12 10:09 PM
 

Grill
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Re: How was your DS's reaction to / recovery from circumcision?

for this to be turned into a for/against drama thread is childish.


Then stop.
Stop having an opinion on my opinion
and it won't turn into a for/against
thread.
I'm sure the OP is torn since she posted about her own reservations creeping up hours before the 'guillotine'. It's a terrible time for a new mom to feel conflicted and I wanted to share the most poignant information I could to help steer her to a place of comfort and calm with her decision. If she chooses to cut her son, well then at least she looked at both sides (assuming she was pro cut to begin with and then adding on my anti cut info) and she can feel comfortable going forward in an informed way.
So just stop turning the thread.

Posted 10/17/12 10:17 PM
 
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