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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
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I don't think the poor people in this country are the problem, pie or not.
I just want to bump this because the real problem is NOT "entitlements" wither they be unemployment, EBT, or Medicare, no matter how much some politicians may want you to believe it.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
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Yeah it's "only pie" but imagine if everyone thought that way. 
They don't. Not all people in need think about trying to get over on the system and not all social workers think like you. I have been blessed to be able to help people truly in need and am fortunate that my good encounters outweigh all of the bad.
I love how when I point out problems with the system, suddenly I am seen as this super negative person. I don't recall saying that everyone is like this or that I hate my job and my work.
Obviously I only know you in this vacuum of lif but as an outsider reading your comments on this thread, I am having trouble seeing the strengths perspective we have all been trained in.
Exactly! And whats worse is I KNOW you just wont get it. Thats why I am not going to argue with you. As much as you think "everyones on my side" on this thread. I can promise you people would be shocked by some of your statements being a social worker. I am being honest.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
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Yeah it's "only pie" but imagine if everyone thought that way.
They don't. Not all people in need think about trying to get over on the system and not all social workers think like you. I have been blessed to be able to help people truly in need and am fortunate that my good encounters outweigh all of the bad.
I love how when I point out problems with the system, suddenly I am seen as this super negative person. I don't recall saying that everyone is like this or that I hate my job and my work.
Obviously I only know you in this vacuum of lif but as an outsider reading your comments on this thread, I am having trouble seeing the strengths perspective we have all been trained in.
Exactly! And whats worse is I KNOW you just wont get it. Thats why I am not going to argue with you. As much as you think "everyones on my side" on this thread. I can promise you people would be shocked by some of your statements being a social worker. I am being honest.
I can say the same about you, because obviously a lot of things I said on this thread, you haven't read at all. You just took out bits and pieces of stuff, or missed the point altogether.
Anyways, I'm done.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
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Posted by juanvi
Posted by greenybeans
I don't think the poor people in this country are the problem, pie or not.
I just want to bump this because the real problem is NOT "entitlements" wither they be unemployment, EBT, or Medicare, no matter how much some politicians may want you to believe it.
just out of curiosity, what is the real problem?
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by maymama
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by juanvi
Posted by greenybeans
I don't think the poor people in this country are the problem, pie or not.
I just want to bump this because the real problem is NOT "entitlements" wither they be unemployment, EBT, or Medicare, no matter how much some politicians may want you to believe it.
just out of curiosity, what is the real problem?
PIE! It is pure, evil tastiness!!!! Warm, gooey filling, flaky crisp crust.... it's powers of persuasion and attraction are no match for mere mortals.....
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by PrincessP
This thread is so absurd, really. I only came on to see what the other poster came back to answer my question which I found the response distrubing in itself. "Life is not fair"....really?!?! i hope to God you are never in a situation where someone just says "well hey ...that sux for you".
I'm the poster who said "unfortunately, life is not fair". And it isn't. It does suck that some people are disabled through no fault of their own and rely on public assistance.
But let's say we all end up agreeing that it's unfair and let them buy their expensive farmers' market pies. Where do we draw the line after that? Most women enjoy manicures. Should we subsidize that too? After all, doesn't everyone have a right to relax and get pampered a little?
I think everyone, no matter how fiscally conservative, would agree that nobody should be going hungry. Everyone should have access to basic medical care. But when did frivolous little *luxuries* become a God-given right?
I stand by my original statement. I think we agree to disagree.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by juanvi
Posted by greenybeans
I don't think the poor people in this country are the problem, pie or not.
I just want to bump this because the real problem is NOT "entitlements" wither they be unemployment, EBT, or Medicare, no matter how much some politicians may want you to believe it.
Yes.. but the real problem is also NOT the ability or inability for a handful of people to be able to buy gourmet whoopie pies at a Farmer's Market.
If you told me that a large chain supermarket decided that EBT wasn't worth their effort then I'd have a MASSIVE issue with that. But we are talking about a single, one woman owned operation who sells PIES. HER opinion is that the crap she creates isn't something that she feels is a necessity in any way, shape or form to anyone. And she's right.. it's not. She made a decision about HER business. Some folks don't even accept credit cards at the farmer's market.. it's a major inconvenience to plastic holders.. should we force them to set up a machine and credit capability because they aren't prepared to serve every single person who might decide they want to buy their product?
I've spend a lot of time volunteering.. (I know.. unusual for someone so cruel hearted as to think that EBT should not necessarily extend to gourmet goods! Shocker!) I've helped in homeless shelters, mental hospitals, Phoenix houses, soup kitchens. I've seen the poorest and sickest of us. They have lamented loss in their life.. the photographs they will never see again, the relatives who cut them off. They've told me how they wish they could see home again .. Florida, India, wherever. They've talked about regrets and happy memories. You know what I never ONCE heard a single person say? "Man.. I wish I could afford a gourmet Whoopie Pie."
Poor people are NOT the problem.
One small business owner with an opinion isnot either.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
I "think" that food stamps can be used for anything. I know that one POS family at our school will wait for people to get to the cash register and pay for all of the items in thier cart with EBT in exchange for cash.. that they use to buy alcohol and smokes.
CPS doesn't help them either. Total tangent but, the system is so corrupt. I think buying a pie is the least of the problems. Do I think they should be buying an expensive pie? Nope. But, the system needs to be so overhauled anyway.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by maymama
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by juanvi
Posted by greenybeans
I don't think the poor people in this country are the problem, pie or not.
I just want to bump this because the real problem is NOT "entitlements" wither they be unemployment, EBT, or Medicare, no matter how much some politicians may want you to believe it.
just out of curiosity, what is the real problem?
The fact that our politicians are in bed with our corporations which leads to tax loopholes through which billions leak every year and the deregulation that allowed anyone with a pulse to get mortgages.
Now the collapse has come and the government is broke and people are pointing to...
...the person who wants the pie.
I can't.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by JennP
Posted by maymama
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by juanvi
Posted by greenybeans
I don't think the poor people in this country are the problem, pie or not.
I just want to bump this because the real problem is NOT "entitlements" wither they be unemployment, EBT, or Medicare, no matter how much some politicians may want you to believe it.
just out of curiosity, what is the real problem?
The fact that our politicians are in bed with our corporations which leads to tax loopholes through which billions leak every year and the deregulation that allowed anyone with a pulse to get mortgages.
Now the collapse has come and the government is broke and people are pointing to...
...the person who wants the pie.
I can't.
corruption on every level. can't pass the buck 100%. we are not talking about the same thing here. BOTTOM LINE - if you cannot afford it, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE IT! (with the exception of neccessities).
If people can buy luxuries on taxpayer dollars, where is the incentive to strive and do it on your own?
Parents who over indulge their children end up with spoiled children who want want want.
And to your point, the same person who wants (but cant afford that pie) is the same person who took a mortgage with zero money down and could never afford it in the first place. everyone needs to be held accountable here.Image Attachment(s):
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
there is a difference and a distinction, two seperate entities here. there are poor people who use these services as the should be and are TRYING to get off of these services and then there are those who ABUSE these services and have no desire to rise above.
the first group mentioned are not part of the problem, the second group IS the problem here.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by maymama
And to your point, the same person who wants (but cant afford that pie) is the same person who took a mortgage with zero money down and could never afford it in the first place. everyone needs to be held accountable here.
First, this doesn't apply to me (we took less than what the banks were offering because we wanted to be able to afford a mortgage on one salary if necessary).
Second, I think the majority of people that were in serious trouble with their zero money down mortgage who couldn't afford it in the person, is a someone who truly doesn't (or didn't) understand finances. I think most people have a hard time grasping that adjustable mortgage rates & balloon payments & predatory lending had a lot to do with it.
I can't understand the "I know someone who takes advantage of the system" argument. I truly believe that the majority of people on welfare, on medicaid are people who cannot afford basic support for thelmselves. The elderly, the disabled, the single mom raising kids, the family where the adults have lost their job. If a privately owned store doesn't want to accept EBT cards, that is their perogative. If that family wants to scrimp on their weekly grocery costs so they can afford a pie for a special occasion, that's their prerogative. As long as it's food related, I don't think we should be policing nutritional values of what people buy - even people on the public dole.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by maymama
And to your point, the same person who wants (but cant afford that pie) is the same person who took a mortgage with zero money down and could never afford it in the first place. everyone needs to be held accountable here.
First, this doesn't apply to me (we took less than what the banks were offering because we wanted to be able to afford a mortgage on one salary if necessary).
Second, I think the majority of people that were in serious trouble with their zero money down mortgage who couldn't afford it in the person, is a someone who truly doesn't (or didn't) understand finances. I think most people have a hard time grasping that adjustable mortgage rates & balloon payments & predatory lending had a lot to do with it.
I can't understand the "I know someone who takes advantage of the system" argument. I truly believe that the majority of people on welfare, on medicaid are people who cannot afford basic support for thelmselves. The elderly, the disabled, the single mom raising kids, the family where the adults have lost their job. If a privately owned store doesn't want to accept EBT cards, that is their perogative. If that family wants to scrimp on their weekly grocery costs so they can afford a pie for a special occasion, that's their prerogative. As long as it's food related, I don't think we should be policing nutritional values of what people buy - even people on the public dole.
i apologize, I should have said some, not all. and it certainly does apply to some.
i do not buy "people truly didnt understand what they were getting in to" ... you take out a 400k loan, it is YOUR responsibility to understand it!
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by maymama
i do not buy "people truly didnt understand what they were getting in to" ... you take out a 400k loan, it is YOUR responsibility to understand it!
I get that they should understand it. I also think that in terms of finances, interest rates, PMI, ARMs, etc, most people had to bone up significantly on their mortgage knowledge. When a company buries its closing costs in your mortgage, I think most people don't get it. Don't get me wrong. I have some bitterness that those people in their kick ass houses can get bailouts & interest rates lowered while I sit in my crappy little house paying my mortgage.
Let's take for example the person I know who has horrible credit. She just got a new car last year. She tells me she only had to pay $xx,000 for it. I am scratching my head at how she could have possibly afforded it. Turns out, the interest rate she's paying plus some additional charges because her credit is so poor means she's not paying what she thought she was.
I think the average person doesn't fully understand the process & loan amounts coupled with quick talking lenders, they really don't get it.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by maymama
i do not buy "people truly didnt understand what they were getting in to" ... you take out a 400k loan, it is YOUR responsibility to understand it!
I get that they should understand it. I also think that in terms of finances, interest rates, PMI, ARMs, etc, most people had to bone up significantly on their mortgage knowledge. When a company buries its closing costs in your mortgage, I think most people don't get it. Don't get me wrong. I have some bitterness that those people in their kick ass houses can get bailouts & interest rates lowered while I sit in my crappy little house paying my mortgage.
Let's take for example the person I know who has horrible credit. She just got a new car last year. She tells me she only had to pay $xx,000 for it. I am scratching my head at how she could have possibly afforded it. Turns out, the interest rate she's paying plus some additional charges because her credit is so poor means she's not paying what she thought she was.
I think the average person doesn't fully understand the process & loan amounts coupled with quick talking lenders, they really don't get it.
but how does a person drive a car off a lot and not know what interest rate she is paying? that is INSANITY!!! I purchased (financed a car) October of last year. I agonized over different lenders and different rates and 48 months vs. 60 and what that would mean in a monthly payment. Of course I knew what I would be paying at the end of the day before they had my John Hancock on paper! If your friends payment was higher than anticipated (and it sounds like she cant afford it)... don't sign on the dotted line! this is what i mean, ya know? but it is all because politicians are SO corrupt. I get that, many are but everyone (the individual - the consumer) needs to man up and take ownership. its like people know they can claim bankruptcy or take handouts and that is their safety net. that is total BS! THAT is what is wrong here!
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kahlua716
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by computergirl
Posted by PrincessP
This thread is so absurd, really. I only came on to see what the other poster came back to answer my question which I found the response distrubing in itself. "Life is not fair"....really?!?! i hope to God you are never in a situation where someone just says "well hey ...that sux for you".
I'm the poster who said "unfortunately, life is not fair". And it isn't. It does suck that some people are disabled through no fault of their own and rely on public assistance.
But let's say we all end up agreeing that it's unfair and let them buy their expensive farmers' market pies. Where do we draw the line after that? Most women enjoy manicures. Should we subsidize that too? After all, doesn't everyone have a right to relax and get pampered a little?
I think everyone, no matter how fiscally conservative, would agree that nobody should be going hungry. Everyone should have access to basic medical care. But when did frivolous little *luxuries* become a God-given right?
I stand by my original statement. I think we agree to disagree.
I completely agree with you.
God forbid I am in that situation some day. I will have to live by the standards that have been set.FWIW- I can't afford to buy expensive pie NOW and I'm not on government assistance and I don't feel as if I'm entitled to it.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by maymama
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by juanvi
Posted by greenybeans
I don't think the poor people in this country are the problem, pie or not.
I just want to bump this because the real problem is NOT "entitlements" wither they be unemployment, EBT, or Medicare, no matter how much some politicians may want you to believe it.
just out of curiosity, what is the real problem?
PIE! It is pure, evil tastiness!!!! Warm, gooey filling, flaky crisp crust.... it's powers of persuasion and attraction are no match for mere mortals.....
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by maymama
there is a difference and a distinction, two seperate entities here. there are poor people who use these services as the should be and are TRYING to get off of these services and then there are those who ABUSE these services and have no desire to rise above.
the first group mentioned are not part of the problem, the second group IS the problem here.
And several programs, such as food stamps, DROP them when they attend college. So woud you find it worth your time to better yourself?
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
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Posted by maymama
there is a difference and a distinction, two seperate entities here. there are poor people who use these services as the should be and are TRYING to get off of these services and then there are those who ABUSE these services and have no desire to rise above.
the first group mentioned are not part of the problem, the second group IS the problem here.
And several programs, such as food stamps, DROP them when they attend college. So woud you find it worth your time to better yourself?
Yes, absolutely.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by maymama
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by maymama
i do not buy "people truly didnt understand what they were getting in to" ... you take out a 400k loan, it is YOUR responsibility to understand it!
I get that they should understand it. I also think that in terms of finances, interest rates, PMI, ARMs, etc, most people had to bone up significantly on their mortgage knowledge. When a company buries its closing costs in your mortgage, I think most people don't get it. Don't get me wrong. I have some bitterness that those people in their kick ass houses can get bailouts & interest rates lowered while I sit in my crappy little house paying my mortgage.
Let's take for example the person I know who has horrible credit. She just got a new car last year. She tells me she only had to pay $xx,000 for it. I am scratching my head at how she could have possibly afforded it. Turns out, the interest rate she's paying plus some additional charges because her credit is so poor means she's not paying what she thought she was.
I think the average person doesn't fully understand the process & loan amounts coupled with quick talking lenders, they really don't get it.
but how does a person drive a car off a lot and not know what interest rate she is paying? that is INSANITY!!! I purchased (financed a car) October of last year. I agonized over different lenders and different rates and 48 months vs. 60 and what that would mean in a monthly payment. Of course I knew what I would be paying at the end of the day before they had my John Hancock on paper! If your friends payment was higher than anticipated (and it sounds like she cant afford it)... don't sign on the dotted line! this is what i mean, ya know? but it is all because politicians are SO corrupt. I get that, many are but everyone (the individual - the consumer) needs to man up and take ownership. its like people know they can claim bankruptcy or take handouts and that is their safety net. that is total BS! THAT is what is wrong here!
I agree on taking ownership. I also think that unfortunately, some people are just not that smart. I know the person that got the car thinks she got a good deal, understood that she had a higher interest rate but when figuring out the total cost of the car was shocked. I'm pretty sure she's not alone in doing it either. Lots of people are in debt because they didn't read the fine print. I also think there are more people in dire circumstances not of their own doing than not.
It's the same reason why I completely disagree with privatizing social security. I think the only ones that will benefit are the ones that know how to invest their savings. The ones who will suffer & be taken advantage of are the ones that rely on ss the most.
For those that are disagreeing about the pie, I'm curious. If someone is willing to do without & forgo some basic needs to indulge, should they be allowed to get pie?
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by maymama
there is a difference and a distinction, two seperate entities here. there are poor people who use these services as the should be and are TRYING to get off of these services and then there are those who ABUSE these services and have no desire to rise above.
the first group mentioned are not part of the problem, the second group IS the problem here.
And several programs, such as food stamps, DROP them when they attend college. So woud you find it worth your time to better yourself?
Actually, that's not necessarily true. There are a number of college programs (generally 2 year) that are pre-approved or can get approved by Food Stamps and/or Public Assistance. Some 4 year programs can get approved as well, but is a little more complicated.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
It's a choice that the EBT cardholder now must scramble to recover from for the remainder of the month. Buying one costly item of any sort is a carefully calculated risk.
Since FS cannot stretch to cover a month's worth of food anyway (and aren't supposed to), the extra cost of the pie will come out of: bus fare, co-pays, etc.
Yes, I think many abuse a system designed to muck and mire them in it, rather than provide the hand up that the inner dignity of human nature normally craves.
I wish only good things for the system's improvement. I also wish physical/ psychological wellness, balance, and strength for those without what it takes to live self-supporting. Wishing for understanding all around.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by JennP
Posted by maymama
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by juanvi
Posted by greenybeans
I don't think the poor people in this country are the problem, pie or not.
I just want to bump this because the real problem is NOT "entitlements" wither they be unemployment, EBT, or Medicare, no matter how much some politicians may want you to believe it.
just out of curiosity, what is the real problem?
The fact that our politicians are in bed with our corporations which leads to tax loopholes through which billions leak every year and the deregulation that allowed anyone with a pulse to get mortgages.
Now the collapse has come and the government is broke and people are pointing to...
...the person who wants the pie.
I can't.
i'm glad i'm not alone in thinking this
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by DirtyBlonde
Posted by JennP
Posted by maymama
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by juanvi
Posted by greenybeans
I don't think the poor people in this country are the problem, pie or not.
I just want to bump this because the real problem is NOT "entitlements" wither they be unemployment, EBT, or Medicare, no matter how much some politicians may want you to believe it.
just out of curiosity, what is the real problem?
The fact that our politicians are in bed with our corporations which leads to tax loopholes through which billions leak every year and the deregulation that allowed anyone with a pulse to get mortgages.
Now the collapse has come and the government is broke and people are pointing to...
...the person who wants the pie.
I can't.
i'm glad i'm not alone in thinking this
I typed this whole thing and deleted. This pretty much sums it up. PIE. It's just freakin PIE. It ain't the problem.
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Re: Baker refuses to take EBT cards...
Posted by Blu-ize
Posted by DirtyBlonde
Posted by JennP
Posted by maymama
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by juanvi
Posted by greenybeans
I don't think the poor people in this country are the problem, pie or not.
I just want to bump this because the real problem is NOT "entitlements" wither they be unemployment, EBT, or Medicare, no matter how much some politicians may want you to believe it.
just out of curiosity, what is the real problem?
The fact that our politicians are in bed with our corporations which leads to tax loopholes through which billions leak every year and the deregulation that allowed anyone with a pulse to get mortgages.
Now the collapse has come and the government is broke and people are pointing to...
...the person who wants the pie.
I can't.
i'm glad i'm not alone in thinking this
I typed this whole thing and deleted. This pretty much sums it up. PIE. It's just freakin PIE. It ain't the problem.
Thanks JennP...That's exactly what I would have said had I not gone to bed
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