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katiebug
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In the future
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MrsRbk
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Re: In the future
I have not really thought about it. My BIL and SIL do not vaccinate my nephews, but on the other side of that, my sister who is a pediatric nuerologist, had no problem vaccinating my nephew.
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katiebug
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Re: In the future
From what I read, many people say it is not the vaccine, but the amount they get at once at a very young age, that it sets a sort of trigger.
I plan on vaccinating my FC, but I do not think that I will allow them to do most of them until they are older, and I will be selective to which ones they get. I don't see a real purpose for vaccines such as for the chicken pox.
There are have also been links that many of the children who have Autism are also Gluten intolerant, which surprisingly studies are finding is very common in people.
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MrsRbk
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Re: In the future
Posted by katiebug
From what I read, many people say it is not the vaccine, but the amount they get at once at a very young age, that it sets a sort of trigger.
I plan on vaccinating my FC, but I do not think that I will allow them to do most of them until they are older, and I will be selective to which ones they get. I don't see a real purpose for vaccines such as for the chicken pox.
There are have also been links that many of the children who have Autism are also Gluten intolerant, which surprisingly studies are finding is very common in people.
my BIL and SIL's kids are Gluten intolerant, or rather my BIL is Gluten intolerant and my SIL is just Gluten sensitive (if that makes sense). However, they are very skeptical about "western medicine" and use only natural remedies for what might be ailing them.
I have not done much research at all about vaccinations, but doesn't a child need them in order to go to school?
ETA: They have no proof that the kids are Gluten intolerant, but since this is their lifestyle, they are raising the kids to follow this lifestyle.
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katiebug
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Re: In the future
I have not done much research at all about vaccinations, but doesn't a child need them in order to go to school?
I think it is only certain vaccines, like whooping cough and measles.
My brothers store specializes in Gluten Free foods and he is starting up a company that makes Gluten free frozen health food. He is the only reason I know anything about Gluten.
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bicosi
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Re: In the future
a child needs to be up to date with their vaccines in order to go to school.
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autumn
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Re: In the future
Posted by katiebug
I am really not trying to start any drama, I am just curious about what you all think about vaccinating your future children.
I am very torn, because I do believe in a link between vaccination and autism (as well as other factors of course) and both my FH and I have cousins that are autistic. So I have begun research to see if there is a safer way to vaccinate my future children.
Just wondering what everyone's thoughts on this topic were.
Again, not causing drama, just honestly curious, and I don't think there is any one right answer.
Katie this is a good topic, because my neice is austic and DH has a cuz that is also austic. I notice a big change in my neice right after she recieved her one year shot. She was very outgoing was always a month or two ahead of her development, never frighten of our puppies barking etc.. A few months after her shots she came to visit and I noticed she cried at the drop of a hat, one of my puppies started to cry and she freaked out, and I mean freaked out. she wasnt responded, she barely said momma or daddy etc. By the time she was two I really had this gut feeling there was something wrong with her. Her speech for a two year old was at a lyr level. My sister in law asked me and I said Yes, I didn't want to suggest possibly autism. She worked with austic children and she had that gut feeling as well. Well she was diagnosed not to long after. She is going to be 8 this month. She has her good days and relapse days. I give my bro and sis in law so much credit or any parent that has a child with autism.
My brother and sis in law didn't give my nephew any shots they gave a herbal type of imune shot. Alot of people consider how they treat my neice austim as alternative method.
She has a strick diet and gets tons of therapy. Sorry so long, I could on
DH and I haven't had this talk yet. When I become preggo then we will discuss it.
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Re: In the future
Posted by katiebug
I have not done much research at all about vaccinations, but doesn't a child need them in order to go to school?
I think it is only certain vaccines, like whooping cough and measles.
My brothers store specializes in Gluten Free foods and he is starting up a company that makes Gluten free frozen health food. He is the only reason I know anything about Gluten.
My FFIL is on a gluten free diet
Where is this store?????
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katiebug
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Re: In the future
It is called Be Well Naturally. It is in Plainview. I know I am biased, but it is a great store. I think it also keeps Kosher.
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Goldi0218
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Re: In the future
The only thing that would keep me from adhering to a prescribed schedule of immunizations/vaccinations would be if my child is not feeling well at the time of the appointment. Other than that, I plan on immunizing my child as instructed.
If I knew of a child that was not vaccinated at all and was in my child's class in school, I would pull my child from that school and find another. IMO it is one thing to try to protect one's child, but not at the expense of other children's health.
I respect others' thoughts, opinions and research but frankly, I wouldnt be surprised if there is a new resurgence of the diseases prevented by vaccinations created to protect us in the first place. To me, the benefits of vaccinations outweigh the risks.
I do not believe in the link between autism and vaccinations. I am in the field and have done a bit of reading on the topic. So far, nothing of what I have read and seen has convinced me of a link. I am more of the school of thought that there is a predisposition of the parents' genetic material influenced by environmental factors to them.
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mia818
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With my ds, I vaccinated. And I am kind of sorry I did, because my son had a lot of issues with speech delays and poor muscle tone. I wish I had delayed the shots until he was older and seperated them and asked for preservative free. For his boosters they will be seperate and preservative free and if my dr gives me a hard time, I will find another ped. I do believe that there is a relation between developmental delays and the mercury/thermosil that is inn the shots. So if I am lucky enough to have another baby, my vaccination protocol will be very different.
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mia818
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Re: In the future
Posted by Goldi0218
If I knew of a child that was not vaccinated at all and was in my child's class in school, I would pull my child from that school and find another. IMO it is one thing to try to protect one's child, but not at the expense of other children's health.
This is interesting because when my DS started prek this September, there was a little girl who was not vaccinated and I was quite surprised because I did not know you could enter school without them! I was kind of freaked by it. The mother is totally anti-vaccination but the school is forcing her to do some. Since she may be going to school with my son until 8th grade, I would feel better about it. But another thing I heard is that they are making the HPV vaccine mandatory. Now I do not have a girl but that is one shot I am not sure you should be forced to give and I do not know if I would give it to her.
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Re: In the future
Posted by Goldi0218
The only thing that would keep me from adhering to a prescribed schedule of immunizations/vaccinations would be if my child is not feeling well at the time of the appointment. Other than that, I plan on immunizing my child as instructed.
If I knew of a child that was not vaccinated at all and was in my child's class in school, I would pull my child from that school and find another. IMO it is one thing to try to protect one's child, but not at the expense of other children's health.
I respect others' thoughts, opinions and research but frankly, I wouldnt be surprised if there is a new resurgence of the diseases prevented by vaccinations created to protect us in the first place. To me, the benefits of vaccinations outweigh the risks.
I do not believe in the link between autism and vaccinations. I am in the field and have done a bit of reading on the topic. So far, nothing of what I have read and seen has convinced me of a link. I am more of the school of thought that there is a predisposition of the parents' genetic material influenced by environmental factors to them.
ITA.
I have worked with MANY children and adults with autism and there is an overwhelming response from parents indicating that they "just knew" something was wrong, even just within the first few months after the child was born. I've never had a parent say to me that they thought there was any link between autism and vaccination. I think the rise in autism diagnoses can partly be attributed to increased awareness by the public and by professionals. Professionals are constantly discovering manifestations of autism that may present themselves as early as 3 months of age.
I think it's important to do whatever it is that you believe in, but from the knowledge that I have right now, I don't believe there is a link.
I think it's also important to remember that CORRELATION does imply CAUSATION. It just so happens that the age of vaccination is also the age at which parents are seeing signs and professionals are diagnosing autism.
There's a high degree of correlation between ice cream sales and murder rates. Does this mean that ice cream causes murder? Of course not. It's important to look at all of the other variables in any situation and to remember that "statistics" can often be misleading.
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Re: In the future
Posted by Goldi0218
The only thing that would keep me from adhering to a prescribed schedule of immunizations/vaccinations would be if my child is not feeling well at the time of the appointment. Other than that, I plan on immunizing my child as instructed.
If I knew of a child that was not vaccinated at all and was in my child's class in school, I would pull my child from that school and find another. IMO it is one thing to try to protect one's child, but not at the expense of other children's health.
I respect others' thoughts, opinions and research but frankly, I wouldnt be surprised if there is a new resurgence of the diseases prevented by vaccinations created to protect us in the first place. To me, the benefits of vaccinations outweigh the risks.
I do not believe in the link between autism and vaccinations. I am in the field and have done a bit of reading on the topic. So far, nothing of what I have read and seen has convinced me of a link. I am more of the school of thought that there is a predisposition of the parents' genetic material influenced by environmental factors to them.
ITA with all that you said.
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Goldi0218
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Re: In the future
Posted by mia818
But another thing I heard is that they are making the HPV vaccine mandatory. Now I do not have a girl but that is one shot I am not sure you should be forced to give and I do not know if I would give it to her.
Regarding HPV...If I have a daughter, I would encourage her to have the shot. Had I not had HPV myself, the past year of needing an RE, having surgery and losing almost one year of TTC time would never have happened. I had cervical stenosis as a result of scar tissue after a cone biopsy/laser procedure for dysplasia. Without that first surgery and my diligence in gynecological care, I could have developed cancer by now. The cervical stenosis made it impossible for DH and I to conceive without me having 4 more procedures at a day-op center which resulted in me being able to accept a catheter for IUI. Thankfully and gratefully, the procedures were a success. However, I wouldnt wish my scenario on anyone else.
We all like to think our daughters will be virtuous angels and that very well might be the case. But all it takes is one boyfriend who slept with the wrong chick and BAM - HPV and many more frequent pap smears. Bottom line is that girls are a lot more sexual earlier than they used to be and they deserve to be protected.
I wish Gardasil was around before I was too old to take it. I remember going in for presurgical testing last April and watching the TV in the waiting room - there was the Gardasil commercial and I just sat there crying.
Sorry for the digression and I certainly do not intend to scare anyone, but this hits very close to home for me and people very close to me.
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mia818
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Re: In the future
Posted by Goldi0218
Posted by mia818
But another thing I heard is that they are making the HPV vaccine mandatory. Now I do not have a girl but that is one shot I am not sure you should be forced to give and I do not know if I would give it to her.
Regarding HPV...If I have a daughter, I would encourage her to have the shot. Had I not had HPV myself, the past year of needing an RE, having surgery and losing almost one year of TTC time would never have happened. I had cervical stenosis as a result of scar tissue after a cone biopsy/laser procedure for dysplasia. Without that first surgery and my diligence in gynecological care, I could have developed cancer by now. The cervical stenosis made it impossible for DH and I to conceive without me having 4 more procedures at a day-op center which resulted in me being able to accept a catheter for IUI. Thankfully and gratefully, the procedures were a success. However, I wouldnt wish my scenario on anyone else.
We all like to think our daughters will be virtuous angels and that very well might be the case. But all it takes is one boyfriend who slept with the wrong chick and BAM - HPV and many more frequent pap smears. Bottom line is that girls are a lot more sexual earlier than they used to be and they deserve to be protected.
I wish Gardasil was around before I was too old to take it. I remember going in for presurgical testing last April and watching the TV in the waiting room - there was the Gardasil commercial and I just sat there crying.
Sorry for the digression and I certainly do not intend to scare anyone, but this hits very close to home for me and people very close to me.
I have limited knowledge of the shot. I totally agree with you about the protection is gives against hpv, as i have a few friends who have it. It just makes me nervous that they like to give it so young. And since it is a new vaccine, there aren't any studies of what it can do.
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Goldi0218
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Re: In the future
Yeah I understand it, but then again, as I said, the kids are "having relations" earlier and are at risk earlier. Its like asking how do you choose between the two evils - one known and one unknown. Now I am starting to understand DH's irrational fear of having daughters.
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mia818
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Re: In the future
Posted by Goldi0218
Yeah I understand it, but then again, as I said, the kids are "having relations" earlier and are at risk earlier. Its like asking how do you choose between the two evils - one known and one unknown. Now I am starting to understand DH's irrational fear of having daughters.
I am with your DH on that one. Not that having a son makes me feel any safer...the little girls today seem to be worse than the boys.
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katiebug
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Re: In the future
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ArmyOfBabies
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Re: In the future
I babysat a boy who had autism and when he was 12 the doctors found out it was caused by a vaccination.
I was nervous about it, but I take DD to the same Ped that my 4 nephews go to and she's had all her vacs and she's fine, so I'm over my nervousness.
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Posted by ArmyOfBabies
I babysat a boy who had autism and when he was 12 the doctors found out it was caused by a vaccination.
I was nervous about it, but I take DD to the same Ped that my 4 nephews go to and she's had all her vacs and she's fine, so I'm over my nervousness.
I know this is off topic, but can I ask how they knew for sure his autism was caused by a vaccination? I have never read any study that conclusively determined a link.
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ArmyOfBabies
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Re: In the future
Posted by Chai77
Posted by ArmyOfBabies
I babysat a boy who had autism and when he was 12 the doctors found out it was caused by a vaccination.
I was nervous about it, but I take DD to the same Ped that my 4 nephews go to and she's had all her vacs and she's fine, so I'm over my nervousness.
I know this is off topic, but can I ask how they knew for sure his autism was caused by a vaccination? I have never read any study that conclusively determined a link.
His doctors found large amounts of mercury in his body ( I think they said it was in his intestines). He was a normal baby up until a round of shots and all of a sudden he was autistic. Last I heard they were takling to a lawyer about suing the doctor and the company that made the vaccine. I used to live next door to them, I don't see them anymore, but this is what they told me years ago.
I know people are nervous about it now, but he was vaccinated 14 years ago. I haven't seen them in a few years, so I don't know what's going on now.
HTH
ETA: The vaccination was known to have small amounts of mercury in it, but whatever happened with the batch he got, there was more than there should have been.
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I have done some research on this topic and from what I have read, the correlation is between the mercury in the preservatives of the immunizations and autistic-like symptoms.
I would prefer to have my future children immunized at an older age, and if there are preservative-free shots, then to use those
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kmac
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Re: In the future
Posted by bicosi
a child needs to be up to date with their vaccines in order to go to school.
This is not always true: Many states' laws require that children receive the recommended immunizations prior to school entry or that parents sign a waiver stating that all or some of the vaccines have not been given because of medical, personal or religious reasons.
I too will be doing a lot of research on this matter. I am not sure that I want to vaccinate my children.
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