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SweetestOfPeas
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What do you think about this? Berkeley to Marines: You're 'not welcome in our city'
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I think it's disgusting. 
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JenniferEver
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Re: What do you think about this? Berkeley to Marines: You're 'not welcome in our city'
I think the title is swayed. They didn't say "marines" they are aiming at marine recruiters, in light of this statement (which I agree DOES happen):
"Military recruiters are salespeople known to lie to and seduce minors and young adults into contracting themselves into military service with false promises regarding jobs, job training, education and other benefits."
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| Posted 2/9/08 1:53 PM |
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MsMBV
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Re: What do you think about this? Berkeley to Marines: You're 'not welcome in our city'
Posted by JenniferEver
I think the title is swayed. They didn't say "marines" they are aiming at marine recruiters, in light of this statement (which I agree DOES happen):
"Military recruiters are salespeople known to lie to and seduce minors and young adults into contracting themselves into military service with false promises regarding jobs, job training, education and other benefits."
ITA. When I was in college I was active in the student government. One of the things I was adamant about was the recruiters coming onto the campus uninvited and attempting to recruit students during things like football games, concerts, plays, etc. They would even "stake out" the entrances at the job and transfer fairs. It drove me nuts and to listen to the garbage they tell these kids is enough to make you sick. They lie & promise the world. They make it sound like a treasure hunt or a vacation.
I used to get right into the faces of one of the Sargent recruiters. After many heated arguments I found a town code that allowed me to have them removed from campus anytime they came unannounced or without permission.
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| Posted 2/9/08 1:58 PM |
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Re: What do you think about this? Berkeley to Marines: You're 'not welcome in our city'
Yeah, I was in student gov't too.... and the recruiters are supposed do the impossible.... lure people into Iraq....
They definitely have resorted to shifty tactics, and target people they think are emotionally weak or financially unstable.... they basically try to get people when they're down.
I realize they must do their job and am grateful that they do it, but I also fully understand that communities get upset that they target vulnerable people.....
In the end, I'm neutral about that issue. I just wish they attempted to make army/veterans conditions and benefits better, and instead went after strong and financially independent people....
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neenie
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Re: What do you think about this? Berkeley to Marines: You're 'not welcome in our city'
I saw an interview with one of the organizers yesterday- she was so flighty and illogical. Saying that she supported the Marines (ummm, then why would you stand in the way of them building a stronger force). I'm certainly not supporting the marines recruitment tactics, but i think its kind of a slap in the face to a group thats fighting to protect their safety and freedom.
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lilqtny
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Re: What do you think about this? Berkeley to Marines: You're 'not welcome in our city'
As a VERY PROUD U.S.M.C. wifey, I think it is disgusting. Nobody forces a person to sign a contract. Some people, in college or not, can gain from the military experience. I do not think it is being lured into Iraq. This is our military and we need good men/women to join.
OHHHH RAHHH U.S.M.C.
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JenniferEver
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Re: What do you think about this? Berkeley to Marines: You're 'not welcome in our city'
Posted by neenie
I saw an interview with one of the organizers yesterday- she was so flighty and illogical. Saying that she supported the Marines (ummm, then why would you stand in the way of them building a stronger force). I'm certainly not supporting the marines recruitment tactics, but i think its kind of a slap in the face to a group thats fighting to protect their safety and freedom.
I don' think it's illogical at all. you believe in the marine corps, but object to their shady recruitment tactics
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MsMBV
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Re: What do you think about this? Berkeley to Marines: You're 'not welcome in our city'
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by neenie
I saw an interview with one of the organizers yesterday- she was so flighty and illogical. Saying that she supported the Marines (ummm, then why would you stand in the way of them building a stronger force). I'm certainly not supporting the marines recruitment tactics, but i think its kind of a slap in the face to a group thats fighting to protect their safety and freedom.
I don' think it's illogical at all. you believe in the marine corps, but object to their shady recruitment tactics
I would put myself in this category. I have nothing but respect for the men and women who fight...I think it takes an amazing sense of self and of pride to do so.
I am completely opposed to the tactics that can be employed to recruit.
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| Posted 2/9/08 2:41 PM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: What do you think about this? Berkeley to Marines: You're 'not welcome in our city'
Posted by lilqtny
This is our military and we need good men/women to join.
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I agree, which is why i think we should only have people who KNOW what they are getting into. I think what the military sometimes does is that they target people who are in dire straits financially and promise them the world and it seems like it's the only solution for them..or they make it seem like a vacation (hence the signs in the picture about seeing exotic places), when the reality is that you will have to fight in a war, you may have to kill innocent people you may die.
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headoverheels
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Re: What do you think about this? Berkeley to Marines: You're 'not welcome in our city'
Posted by JenniferEver
I think the title is swayed. They didn't say "marines" they are aiming at marine recruiters, in light of this statement (which I agree DOES happen):
"Military recruiters are salespeople known to lie to and seduce minors and young adults into contracting themselves into military service with false promises regarding jobs, job training, education and other benefits."
ITA with this. if they were saying that MARINES were not welcome in their city then i would have a problem with it - i am a firm believer in supporting our troops, though i do not support the war. berkeley is simply voicing their opinion that they do not agree with the tactics used by marine recruiters - IMO, it's the same thing as refusing to buy clothing from a store that uses sweatshops to make their products.
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headoverheels
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Re: What do you think about this? Berkeley to Marines: You're 'not welcome in our city'
Posted by cpanyc
So are they saying that the people who live in their city are too stupid to make up their own minds? If a recruiter comes a knockin then people are going to blindly sign up to be in the military? Give me a break.
i agree that the majority of people in most cities would be able to sit through a recruitment session and make up their own minds, but what if they are young - 18 or 19 - or suffering from poverty, and are only being persuaded to join by the promise of extra money or college credits or whatever that never actually comes through for them? what i think berkeley is basically saying is that they do not agree with the TACTICS used by marine recruiters (that they lie and exaggerate to get people to join) and this is the reason why they are not welcome.
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JenniferEver
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Re: What do you think about this? Berkeley to Marines: You're 'not welcome in our city'
Posted by cpanyc
Typical. This is a free country and I think it is ridiculous that they are saying the recruiters are not welcome. I see them as a bunch of whiny babies. We don't agree with what you represent or what you do so we don't want you around. Very open minded of them.
So are they saying that the people who live in their city are too stupid to make up their own minds? If a recruiter comes a knockin then people are going to blindly sign up to be in the military? Give me a break.
Some people are gullibe. Some people are in dire straits and will do anything (look at the thousands who fall for the nigerian bank transfer scams?). The goverment cracks down on lenders who use these kinds of tactics against low-income would be homeowners. There are ALL kinds of consumer protections in place. It doesn't mean people are too stupid, it means some practices are DESIGNED to bend the truth to influence people.
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neenie
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Re: What do you think about this? Berkeley to Marines: You're 'not welcome in our city'
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by neenie
I saw an interview with one of the organizers yesterday- she was so flighty and illogical. Saying that she supported the Marines (ummm, then why would you stand in the way of them building a stronger force). I'm certainly not supporting the marines recruitment tactics, but i think its kind of a slap in the face to a group thats fighting to protect their safety and freedom.
I don' think it's illogical at all. you believe in the marine corps, but object to their shady recruitment tactics
i said SHE was illogical. Not someone that i would choose to fight an argument on my behalf- she was flighty and i did not take her seriously at all.
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Re: What do you think about this? Berkeley to Marines: You're 'not welcome in our city'
First of all I will say that to understand Berkeley, you have to spend some time in Berkeley. I lived in the Bay Area for 9 years and I don't think there are too many places in the country like it. They will fine a resident if they find recyclables in their trash. It is like a culture of its own - EXTREMELY liberal and counter-cultural. I think it would be hard for most people who don't live there to understand where this is coming from. The University is known for being famously anit-war during the Vietnam era, but I don't think the University is even that liberal anymore, it is the city itself.
I tend to be left of center politically, but I don't see how the marine recruiting station can legally be driven from their offices if the landlord is allowing them to stay. If the residents of the city of Berkeley are actually going to pass legislation that allows them to kick the Marines out, I think it sets a bad precedent. Who is the next group that is not allowed to conduct business there. If there were no demand at all for their services, they would have left on their own.
I will also add, however, that as a former HS counselor, the military recruiters were relentless about coming on campus to recruit students. We did allow them once a semester or once a year, because for some young people, it is a good choice to enlist for a variety of reasons. The recruiters would call me CONSTANTLY, especially the army and marines, and wanted to come once a week. They would also harass students who came to the presentations, calling several times a week. It can get to be just too much.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: What do you think about this? Berkeley to Marines: You're 'not welcome in our city'
Posted by lilqtny
As a VERY PROUD U.S.M.C. wifey, I think it is disgusting. Nobody forces a person to sign a contract. Some people, in college or not, can gain from the military experience. I do not think it is being lured into Iraq. This is our military and we need good men/women to join.
OHHHH RAHHH U.S.M.C.
 VERY WELL PUT!!!!! every country has a military and has a right to defend their borders. without these brave men and women, we'd all be dead.
my DH's father was a career Air Force pilot who raised 3 boys who all went to college, traveled the world and made a very nice living doing it.
I completely resent all these comments about how it's not a worthy career path and people are being misled.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: What do you think about this? Berkeley to Marines: You're 'not welcome in our city'
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by JenniferEver
I think the title is swayed. They didn't say "marines" they are aiming at marine recruiters, in light of this statement (which I agree DOES happen):
"Military recruiters are salespeople known to lie to and seduce minors and young adults into contracting themselves into military service with false promises regarding jobs, job training, education and other benefits."
ITA with this. if they were saying that MARINES were not welcome in their city then i would have a problem with it - i am a firm believer in supporting our troops, though i do not support the war. berkeley is simply voicing their opinion that they do not agree with the tactics used by marine recruiters - IMO, it's the same thing as refusing to buy clothing from a store that uses sweatshops to make their products.
I disagree with this. it IS a slap in the face to all Marines. do you think when they hear about this that it makes them feel good about themselves?
fine way to support our troops 
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JenniferEver
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Re: What do you think about this? Berkeley to Marines: You're 'not welcome in our city'
I don't think you have to agree with an institution's every practice to support them.
No one said it was an unworthy career path, but people doing it should do it without the hard sell.
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Re: What do you think about this? Berkeley to Marines: You're 'not welcome in our city'
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
I completely resent all these comments about how it's not a worthy career path and people are being misled.
I am not sure to which response you are referring, but since I posted about how I did not like the recruitment tactics I want to respond.
Under no circumstances do I feel like the military is a bad career choice. I would agree that it is not for everyone (but what job is really?) and I am very thankful to and grateful for those who enlist.
My beef is with the "sales pitch" that some recruiters use. I have heard them first hand, and I have also heard the stories when the soldiers come out. Many of them have a hard time proving the credits toward college as the recruiter promised, and many have trouble understanding the Montgomery Bill and determining what they are entitled to. Several times, students had come to me asking to help them try and decipher what they were eligible for and entitled to, and almost all of them said the same thing; "the recruiter was all over me until I signed, and now that I want the benefits, who is there to help me get them?"
In addition, I was displeased that the recruiters felt they did not have to follow the same rules as other employers recruiting for prospects simply because they were military. Some would even interrupt classes without prior permission to recruit. When the professor protested they were publicly called out as anti-American in front of the class. Completely unfair. IMO, it is not hard to find a recruitment office if interested, and with the Internet, it is even easier to get info than ever before.
I understand that we are in a crisis right now - troops are being recalled to Iraq, depletion of available troops, etc. I think to boot someone out of an existing lease is not only unfair, but sets a very bad precedent. The fact that it is a military recruitment center is just making it headline news. I think they should be allowed to fulfill their lease.
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