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JenniferEver
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Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
For me it would be
gay marriage
and their POLITICAL stand on abortion. I am personally against abortion, but I am troubled by the way the catholic church has treated democrats. It's all political. I don't think the republicans are any more prayerful or holy. They just use the abortion issue as a way to gain political power. In the 70's when the catholic church was fighting agains legalized abortion, the evangelicals stayed out of it saying it was the "catholic issue" but now that they realized they can use it for political reasons, evangelical republicans are all over abortion. I feel that on many other issues (death penalty, providing for the poor, foreign policy) the democratic party is a much better match for catholics, but they/we are being used to by republicans.
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
I don't agree with the Church not recognizing my upcoming beach wedding!! (lol...just had to through this in there after my earlier post.)
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Hi-Fi55
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Abortion
Gay Marriage
Birth Control
Priests not being able to get married
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2girlsforme
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by JenniferEver
and their POLITICAL stand on abortion. I am personally against abortion, but I am troubled by the way the catholic church has treated democrats. It's all political. I don't think the republicans are any more prayerful or holy. They just use the abortion issue as a way to gain political power. In the 70's when the catholic church was fighting agains legalized abortion, the evangelicals stayed out of it saying it was the "catholic issue" but now that they realized they can use it for political reasons, evangelical republicans are all over abortion. I feel that on many other issues (death penalty, providing for the poor, foreign policy) the democratic party is a much better match for catholics, but they/we are being used to by republicans.
ITA Although I understand that the church can never be pro abortion or even neutral on abortion. My major areas of disagreement are birth control and stem cell research. Now that I'm raising children as catholics, I've been forced to confront many of these issues. Without getting into it, for many reasons, my children are being raised catholic. Although I am very disappointed with the church and the recent scandals, I try to remember all the good the church has done all over the world. Again, for me catholicism, as ethnicity, is largely cultural and in all honesty there is no one organized religion that I completely agree with.
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| Posted 1/16/08 11:12 AM |
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J9-13
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Definitely gay marriage
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
As a past catholic, these are some of my reasons for why I became "disenchanted" by this particular religion...
- treatment of women within the religion
- lack of concern for the children being taken advantage of by priests / handling of the molestation cases
- stand on abortion
- stand on gay marriage
- stand on birth control
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| Posted 1/16/08 11:13 AM |
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pinkandblue
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by Hi-Fi55
Abortion
Gay Marriage
Birth Control
Priests not being able to get married
same for me and I hate to say it but their "outdated" beliefs have kept me from the church. I plan to go back with dd but I am uneasy about it as I do not believe in alot of their preachings 
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| Posted 1/16/08 11:14 AM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
birth control is a big one for me too.
While I understand that couples should be open to children, I don't think that smart planning is a bad thing. Some people are not ready for children, and I'd rather they wait and be the best parents they can be. Also, i can be a much more effective parent to 2 or 3 children as opposed to 8 or 9. That's just unrealistic IMO. Population is exploding, we no longer need to "be fruitful and multiply"
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Brittny817
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Having been raised Catholic I can say I disagree with just about everything:
Abortion (I am pro-choice)
Gay Marriage
Divorce (lets get with the times people)
Turning the other way and not recognizing the child abuse/molestation issue with their priests. I think if they would allow their priests to marry they could get a better crop of individuals persuing the priesthood.
ETA: Birth control. Again, lets get with the times!
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pinkandblue
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
oh,
I also think being able to repent no matter how much of a POS you are on this earth and then getting into "heven" is a crock too.
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
only two things
pre-marital sex
ETA: and the use of fertility treatments to get PG
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JenniferEver
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by Brittny817
Divorce (lets get with the times people)
I don't disagree with the Catholic Church's stance on divorce and I don't think they should :"get with the times" on this one, because the times are pretty bad. I think the times need to get with the church and people need to enter into marriage under the right circumstances and do all they can to keep their marriages together. When I get married, it's for life. 
What i do disagree with is a case like my mom. My dad left her. She did NOT want the divorce. She would do anything to keep her marriage together, but it's not up to her. I hate the fact that he can go and get remarried to his teenage bimbo in her fake church and my mom will still be married to this man in the eyes of the catholic church, so she will never be able to remarry. I don't think that's fair. my mom says she has no interest in remarrying, but she is very very into the church and I think if they had a different view she would too. Why is the choice to get an anullment and completely invalidate her 34 year marriage, or to stay alone? That makes me VERY angry and upset. If he's already moved on, she should be free from him. not nullified, but free for the future.
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Lucky09
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Having been raised a catholic and having attended catholic school my whole life I have to say I disagree with many things also. I have also become disenchanted with this religion. I have no idea what I am going to do when I have kids...
Here's my list:
- Gay Marriage
- To re-marry in Catholic Church after divorce you need to obtain an Annulment (which after speaking to someone I know going through this, I think it is very $$$).
- Birth Control
- ABORTION (I am pro-choice)
- Priests not being allowed to marry
- Not dealing with all of the allegations re: child molestation in the right way (ie, setting up programs, catholic schools, etc. to eliminate the opportunity for anything to happen again)
- ETA: Fertility Treatments -- I didn't even KNOW they were against this!
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JenniferEver
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
only two things
pre-marital sex
ETA: and the use of fertility treatments to get PG
I can't believe that the church should be against something that brings life into the world to parents who really want to have a child.
Pre-marital sex? I know a lot of people don't follow this rule, but I've never heard any arguments against it. I'd be interested to hear!
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photoshopbabe
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
their views on:
gay marriage/gay ppl
divorce
abortion
birth control
sex
paying $$ to get married
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Message edited 9/21/2009 2:07:13 PM.
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
only two things
pre-marital sex
ETA: and the use of fertility treatments to get PG
I can't believe that the church should be against something that brings life into the world to parents who really want to have a child.
Pre-marital sex? I know a lot of people don't follow this rule, but I've never heard any arguments against it. I'd be interested to hear!
i know the church frowns on IVF - not sure on artificial insemmination.
It has to do with the unused embryos. In other words, say you fertilize 10 embryos - implant 2 and get PG - what do you do with the other 8.
The pre-marital sex rule is old but I was always taught that the church preached waiting until marriage because sex is seen as an act of procreation and only under an official marriage, is it acceptable.
That may be too old school.
Heck they used to frown on masturbation too - oh well 
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2girlsforme
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
only two things
pre-marital sex
ETA: and the use of fertility treatments to get PG
Funny you say that. A few years ago one of the local catholic hospitals was advertising fertility treatment and my first thought was, are they going to pray for me??
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maybebaby
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
only two things
pre-marital sex
ETA: and the use of fertility treatments to get PG
I agree with these. Good points.
I disagree as well on their stance on gay marriage.
As another poster stated, I try to concentrate on the good in the catholic church. I respect my religion but don't always agree with what they have to say.
However...if you find a good, open minded priest (They are out there!) you can learn a lot and learn that not all are as old school minded.
Interesting fact...my grandmother had to go to 8 different priests before she found one that would tell her it was "ok" for her use birth control. She had had 8 children and was at her wits end. The priest said god would understand, lol and that she needed to for her own health. That was a huge thing for her to get over and realize that she couldn't keep popping out babies OR give up her intimate life.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by cpanyc
Posted by JenniferEver
Pre-marital sex? I know a lot of people don't follow this rule, but I've never heard any arguments against it. I'd be interested to hear!
It is a commandment, Though shall not commit adultery. Any sex outside of marriage would fall under this.
Right. What I meant was I've never heard anyone argue that this should NOT be the rule in the church.
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Message edited 9/21/2009 2:06:50 PM.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
only two things
pre-marital sex
ETA: and the use of fertility treatments to get PG
I can't believe that the church should be against something that brings life into the world to parents who really want to have a child.
Pre-marital sex? I know a lot of people don't follow this rule, but I've never heard any arguments against it. I'd be interested to hear!
i know the church frowns on IVF - not sure on artificial insemmination.
It has to do with the unused embryos. In other words, say you fertilize 10 embryos - implant 2 and get PG - what do you do with the other 8.
The pre-marital sex rule is old but I was always taught that the church preached waiting until marriage because sex is seen as an act of procreation and only under an official marriage, is it acceptable.
That may be too old school.
Heck they used to frown on masturbation too - oh well
I've heard this about IVF, but I REALLY disagree. Isn't being able to bring a child in the world worth it? but it goes back to the abortion argument about when it's really a "life"
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
only two things
pre-marital sex
ETA: and the use of fertility treatments to get PG
I can't believe that the church should be against something that brings life into the world to parents who really want to have a child.
Pre-marital sex? I know a lot of people don't follow this rule, but I've never heard any arguments against it. I'd be interested to hear!
i know the church frowns on IVF - not sure on artificial insemmination.
It has to do with the unused embryos. In other words, say you fertilize 10 embryos - implant 2 and get PG - what do you do with the other 8.
The pre-marital sex rule is old but I was always taught that the church preached waiting until marriage because sex is seen as an act of procreation and only under an official marriage, is it acceptable.
That may be too old school.
Heck they used to frown on masturbation too - oh well
I've heard this about IVF, but I REALLY disagree. Isn't being able to bring a child in the world worth it? but it goes back to the abortion argument about when it's really a "life"
so do i
in our case - had we had to go the IVF route and had leftover eggs, we would have donated them
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic schools, taught in the Archdiocese for 10 years, have a very good friend who is a Pastor of a chuch (who is so very gay) and had IVF! LOL....
I just try to seperate the politics of the church from the faith-based teachings...I have been lucky enough in life to have had wonderful experiences with priests who want change and are progressive in thinking. I believe in Jesus Christ and find that it is my faith in his teachings that guides me in life....not the politics of the hour with the church as an institution. I will also raise my two children as Catholics, but if they want something different, then I am open to that as well!
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maybebaby
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Re: Catholics - What do you disagree with the church about?
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
Posted by JenniferEver
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
only two things
pre-marital sex
ETA: and the use of fertility treatments to get PG
I can't believe that the church should be against something that brings life into the world to parents who really want to have a child.
Pre-marital sex? I know a lot of people don't follow this rule, but I've never heard any arguments against it. I'd be interested to hear!
i know the church frowns on IVF - not sure on artificial insemmination.
It has to do with the unused embryos. In other words, say you fertilize 10 embryos - implant 2 and get PG - what do you do with the other 8.
The pre-marital sex rule is old but I was always taught that the church preached waiting until marriage because sex is seen as an act of procreation and only under an official marriage, is it acceptable.
That may be too old school.
Heck they used to frown on masturbation too - oh well
I've heard this about IVF, but I REALLY disagree. Isn't being able to bring a child in the world worth it? but it goes back to the abortion argument about when it's really a "life"
In my eyes its definitely 100% worth it to bring a child into the world.
But i can see/understand the churchs view on unused embryos. I mean, you have a religion that views life beginning at conception...so of course they would be against the destruction of unused embryos...to the church it is destroying potential life.
But...I don't necessarily agree with it. I do however undestand the underlying mentality whether its right or wrong.
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