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LittleDiva
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Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
Seems like so many people I talk to keep saying schools are going to close within a month because there will be so many cases.
I’m genuinely trying to wrap my head around something. If positive cases go up, but our hospitalization and death rate aren’t spiking with it....why would we “panic” and close schools?
In my mind, we have opened sooo much and our death rate is so low and some hospitals have no covid patients. Why will opening schools change this? What am I missing?
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
I agree. People are always going to get sick. With this or something else.
As long as they aren't needing hospitalization and dying and/or overwhelming our healthcare system- which was the fear back in March- then I see no reason to keep everything closed down.
Precautions are necessary of course because you don't want it to get back to the way it was in March and April or how it is in other states.
But I know so many people who had it- are a positive case- and either had no symptoms or very mild ones. A girl I work with in NC has it now. She said she feels fine, and has been working the whole time from home. Hasn't even taken a sick day.
She counts as a case though as do the many others who have mild symptoms and recover at home.
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
Posted by NervousNell
I agree. People are always going to get sick. With this or something else.
As long as they aren't needing hospitalization and dying and/or overwhelming our healthcare system- which was the fear back in March- then I see no reason to keep everything closed down.
Precautions are necessary of course because you don't want it to get back to the way it was in March and April or how it is in other states.
But I know so many people who had it- are a positive case- and either had no symptoms or very mild ones. A girl I work with in NC has it now. She said she feels fine, and has been working the whole time from home. Hasn't even taken a sick day.
She counts as a case though as do the many others who have mild symptoms and recover at home.
I’m just trying to understand it. I’m not understanding it and I want to understand it because this affects my family. I’m stressed out at the thought of schools closing again and it gets my blood boiling bc I just don’t understand it. I want someone to have it make sense for me. Why are we so focused on the infection rate?
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Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
There is a big lag between an increase in cases and the death rate.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/data-animation-shows-time-lag-between-covid-19-cases-and-deaths/
If cases increase, death rates will increase but those numbers do not become evident until a few weeks later.
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
Posted by PitterPatter11
There is a big lag between an increase in cases and the death rate.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/data-animation-shows-time-lag-between-covid-19-cases-and-deaths/
If cases increase, death rates will increase but those numbers do not become evident until a few weeks later.
So the article says “ The animation shows that deaths often occur 2-8 weeks after the onset of COVID-19 symptoms”
We have been open in new York for a while now and we aren’t seeing spikes in death.
I just feel with all these precautions in place schools don’t need to close because of positive cases. Obviously if the death rate or hospitalization rate ticks up within 2 months of opening I fully support closing schools.
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
Posted by LittleDiva
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There is a big lag between an increase in cases and the death rate.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/data-animation-shows-time-lag-between-covid-19-cases-and-deaths/
If cases increase, death rates will increase but those numbers do not become evident until a few weeks later.
So the article says “ The animation shows that deaths often occur 2-8 weeks after the onset of COVID-19 symptoms”
We have been open in new York for a while now and we aren’t seeing spikes in death.
I just feel with all these precautions in place schools don’t need to close because of positive cases. Obviously if the death rate or hospitalization rate ticks up within 2 months of opening I fully support closing schools.
By the time death rates goes up, the infection rate will be out of control. You need to mitigate it BEFORE you see a large increase in infection rate.
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
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Posted by LittleDiva
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There is a big lag between an increase in cases and the death rate.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/data-animation-shows-time-lag-between-covid-19-cases-and-deaths/
If cases increase, death rates will increase but those numbers do not become evident until a few weeks later.
So the article says “ The animation shows that deaths often occur 2-8 weeks after the onset of COVID-19 symptoms”
We have been open in new York for a while now and we aren’t seeing spikes in death.
I just feel with all these precautions in place schools don’t need to close because of positive cases. Obviously if the death rate or hospitalization rate ticks up within 2 months of opening I fully support closing schools.
By the time death rates goes up, the infection rate will be out of control. You need to mitigate it BEFORE you see a large increase in infection rate.
Got ya. Thank you.
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
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I agree. People are always going to get sick. With this or something else.
As long as they aren't needing hospitalization and dying and/or overwhelming our healthcare system- which was the fear back in March- then I see no reason to keep everything closed down.
Precautions are necessary of course because you don't want it to get back to the way it was in March and April or how it is in other states.
But I know so many people who had it- are a positive case- and either had no symptoms or very mild ones. A girl I work with in NC has it now. She said she feels fine, and has been working the whole time from home. Hasn't even taken a sick day.
She counts as a case though as do the many others who have mild symptoms and recover at home.
I’m just trying to understand it. I’m not understanding it and I want to understand it because this affects my family. I’m stressed out at the thought of schools closing again and it gets my blood boiling bc I just don’t understand it. I want someone to have it make sense for me. Why are we so focused on the infection rate?
My biggest fear isnt getting it -- it is finding out what the long term effects of having it even mildly could be down the line. That is where I dont think we know enough about any of this.
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
Posted by b2b777
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by NervousNell
I agree. People are always going to get sick. With this or something else.
As long as they aren't needing hospitalization and dying and/or overwhelming our healthcare system- which was the fear back in March- then I see no reason to keep everything closed down.
Precautions are necessary of course because you don't want it to get back to the way it was in March and April or how it is in other states.
But I know so many people who had it- are a positive case- and either had no symptoms or very mild ones. A girl I work with in NC has it now. She said she feels fine, and has been working the whole time from home. Hasn't even taken a sick day.
She counts as a case though as do the many others who have mild symptoms and recover at home.
I’m just trying to understand it. I’m not understanding it and I want to understand it because this affects my family. I’m stressed out at the thought of schools closing again and it gets my blood boiling bc I just don’t understand it. I want someone to have it make sense for me. Why are we so focused on the infection rate?
My biggest fear isnt getting it -- it is finding out what the long term effects of having it even mildly could be down the line. That is where I dont think we know enough about any of this.
Same.
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I don’t watch the news anymore so I have no idea what is being reported to the general public. We are seeing a lot of post-Covid complications now in hospitals. Kidney failure leading to dialysis, stroke, heart attack, dementia, lung scarring causing evaluations for lung transplant or home oxygen dependence, blindness, reactivation of the virus in specific parts of the body months later, ect. and this is only a few months out from initial infection. I want to mention that these weren’t all situations that the person would have developed these issues imminently anyways. We don’t even know the long term implications yet. So mortality may be low but long-term complications are arising that cause major disability and death later.
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
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I don’t watch the news anymore so I have no idea what is being reported to the general public. We are seeing a lot of post-Covid complications now in hospitals. Kidney failure leading to dialysis, stroke, heart attack, dementia, lung scarring causing evaluations for lung transplant or home oxygen dependence, blindness, reactivation of the virus in specific parts of the body months later, ect. and this is only a few months out from initial infection. I want to mention that these weren’t all situations that the person would have developed these issues imminently anyways. We don’t even know the long term implications yet. So mortality may be low but long-term complications are arising that cause major disability and death later.
I've been hearing this too. We need to pay attention to this and to people like you who know so much more than we do.
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
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Posted by LastLightGlow
I don’t watch the news anymore so I have no idea what is being reported to the general public. We are seeing a lot of post-Covid complications now in hospitals. Kidney failure leading to dialysis, stroke, heart attack, dementia, lung scarring causing evaluations for lung transplant or home oxygen dependence, blindness, reactivation of the virus in specific parts of the body months later, ect. and this is only a few months out from initial infection. I want to mention that these weren’t all situations that the person would have developed these issues imminently anyways. We don’t even know the long term implications yet. So mortality may be low but long-term complications are arising that cause major disability and death later.
I've been hearing this too. We need to pay attention to this and to people like you who know so much more than we do.
Yup - I saw on the news where a guy was in recovery but had to relearn how to walk. I'm NOT interested in that being my life. Nor worrying about whether the next blood clot is going to cause a stroke, or that I'll be on oxygen in 10 years b/c my lungs are swiss cheese.
I think people are thinking it's either they get the sniffles or they die - but it's all the stuff in between that scares me more.
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
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Posted by LastLightGlow
I don’t watch the news anymore so I have no idea what is being reported to the general public. We are seeing a lot of post-Covid complications now in hospitals. Kidney failure leading to dialysis, stroke, heart attack, dementia, lung scarring causing evaluations for lung transplant or home oxygen dependence, blindness, reactivation of the virus in specific parts of the body months later, ect. and this is only a few months out from initial infection. I want to mention that these weren’t all situations that the person would have developed these issues imminently anyways. We don’t even know the long term implications yet. So mortality may be low but long-term complications are arising that cause major disability and death later.
I've been hearing this too. We need to pay attention to this and to people like you who know so much more than we do.
Yup - I saw on the news where a guy was in recovery but had to relearn how to walk. I'm NOT interested in that being my life. Nor worrying about whether the next blood clot is going to cause a stroke, or that I'll be on oxygen in 10 years b/c my lungs are swiss cheese.
I think people are thinking it's either they get the sniffles or they die - but it's all the stuff in between that scares me more.
I am not sure that most people are incapable of understanding, though. I think many people do understand, but are in denial. That's why you see so many people online lashing out and raging. They're angry at reality and their own inability to handle it.
It's easier to engage in magical thinking--sniffles or death, and then develop logical fallacies from there. It's convenient and fuels their world views and desires, but it's magical thinking.
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
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Posted by Funkybutt
Posted by seaside
Posted by LastLightGlow
I don’t watch the news anymore so I have no idea what is being reported to the general public. We are seeing a lot of post-Covid complications now in hospitals. Kidney failure leading to dialysis, stroke, heart attack, dementia, lung scarring causing evaluations for lung transplant or home oxygen dependence, blindness, reactivation of the virus in specific parts of the body months later, ect. and this is only a few months out from initial infection. I want to mention that these weren’t all situations that the person would have developed these issues imminently anyways. We don’t even know the long term implications yet. So mortality may be low but long-term complications are arising that cause major disability and death later.
I've been hearing this too. We need to pay attention to this and to people like you who know so much more than we do.
Yup - I saw on the news where a guy was in recovery but had to relearn how to walk. I'm NOT interested in that being my life. Nor worrying about whether the next blood clot is going to cause a stroke, or that I'll be on oxygen in 10 years b/c my lungs are swiss cheese.
I think people are thinking it's either they get the sniffles or they die - but it's all the stuff in between that scares me more.
I am not sure that most people are incapable of understanding, though. I think many people do understand, but are in denial. That's why you see so many people online lashing out and raging. They're angry at reality and their own inability to handle it.
It's easier to engage in magical thinking--sniffles or death, and then develop logical fallacies from there. It's convenient and fuels their world views and desires, but it's magical thinking.
I also think that some people can't see that it IS possible to get it, recover and have no long term side effects. That life can go on.
It's easier to think of it as all doom and gloom and guaranteed death. Not sure why.
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by seaside
Posted by Funkybutt
Posted by seaside
Posted by LastLightGlow
I don’t watch the news anymore so I have no idea what is being reported to the general public. We are seeing a lot of post-Covid complications now in hospitals. Kidney failure leading to dialysis, stroke, heart attack, dementia, lung scarring causing evaluations for lung transplant or home oxygen dependence, blindness, reactivation of the virus in specific parts of the body months later, ect. and this is only a few months out from initial infection. I want to mention that these weren’t all situations that the person would have developed these issues imminently anyways. We don’t even know the long term implications yet. So mortality may be low but long-term complications are arising that cause major disability and death later.
I've been hearing this too. We need to pay attention to this and to people like you who know so much more than we do.
Yup - I saw on the news where a guy was in recovery but had to relearn how to walk. I'm NOT interested in that being my life. Nor worrying about whether the next blood clot is going to cause a stroke, or that I'll be on oxygen in 10 years b/c my lungs are swiss cheese.
I think people are thinking it's either they get the sniffles or they die - but it's all the stuff in between that scares me more.
I am not sure that most people are incapable of understanding, though. I think many people do understand, but are in denial. That's why you see so many people online lashing out and raging. They're angry at reality and their own inability to handle it.
It's easier to engage in magical thinking--sniffles or death, and then develop logical fallacies from there. It's convenient and fuels their world views and desires, but it's magical thinking.
I also think that some people can't see that it IS possible to get it, recover and have no long term side effects. That life can go on.
It's easier to think of it as all doom and gloom
and guaranteed death. Not sure why.
Speaking for myself, my life is definitely not doom and gloom-quite the opposite. Nor do I think I'd be guaranteed a doomy outcome if I got sick. But there are too many unknowns not to have the experts guiding health protocols right now. That's all I have ever felt. Mask wearing, school openings, testing, even temporary lockdowns where they are necessary, should be determined by scientists and experts.
This will not last forever. But I am of the belief that it will get worse before it gets better if we don't follow the experts. And with no way to know whom it will hit hard and how, it's a game of roulette out there.
I was just replying to funkybutt about people who persist in thinking that it's either the sniffles or death; or like the flu. Life does, indeed, go on.
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
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Seems like so many people I talk to keep saying schools are going to close within a month because there will be so many cases.
I’m genuinely trying to wrap my head around something. If positive cases go up, but our hospitalization and death rate aren’t spiking with it....why would we “panic” and close schools?
In my mind, we have opened sooo much and our death rate is so low and some hospitals have no covid patients. Why will opening schools change this? What am I missing?
My understanding that closures would be to nip it in the bud, before it gets out of control again. From what I understand, ( and is happening in other states) indivdual schools, or possibly districs will close of there are are cases there ( not sure if it is for any cases or just a lot of cases) but it doesn't mean the whole state will close, unless it is a widespread problem.
Even if they are mild cases, kids can bring them hom to grandma, it can spread exponentiall,y etc, and we will be right back where we were. All of the stats need to be monitored as a whole.
I think people are concerned becuase social distancing is hard to do in a school & litlle kids might not understand or have patience for masks & older kids might think they are invincible. And this is the most wide spread thing that people "have" to do. (Some people are still opting to not go tot stores, restaurants, etc.)
I was pleasantly surprised that infections didn't incrase when indoor dining opened. Hopefully we will all be pleasantly surprised when school starts.
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I’m not sure this is really the only issue. We are dealing with a virus that we still know very very little about. They are starting to see that even in people and kids that were asymptomatic there is damage that may initially be symptomless. For just one example- google “COVID, student athletes and heart”. They are now seeing that both kids and adults that may have been asymptomatic and still are but are walking around with a ticking time bomb where if they exert themselves they could drop dead. So, since they are only now starting to screen for this and if u look at the high percentages from the studies that have been done so far - it paints a very different picture than what we are all Operating under. I have heard from our community doctors that it’s not just the heart but they are seeing a number of other health issues pop up In people and kids That have COVID antibodies. If you want another example look up the recent research and news on “neurological issues in both kids and adults post COVID.” So - to answer your question - I don’t think the concern is just as simple as you are making it out to be, and for the poster that said you can get it mild, recover and have no long term effects - you really don’t know that this is the case at this point!
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
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I’m not sure this is really the only issue. We are dealing with a virus that we still know very very little about. They are starting to see that even in people and kids that were asymptomatic there is damage that may initially be symptomless. For just one example- google “COVID, student athletes and heart”. They are now seeing that both kids and adults that may have been asymptomatic and still are but are walking around with a ticking time bomb where if they exert themselves they could drop dead. So, since they are only now starting to screen for this and if u look at the high percentages from the studies that have been done so far - it paints a very different picture than what we are all Operating under. I have heard from our community doctors that it’s not just the heart but they are seeing a number of other health issues pop up In people and kids That have COVID antibodies. If you want another example look up the recent research and news on “neurological issues in both kids and adults post COVID.” So - to answer your question - I don’t think the concern is just as simple as you are making it out to be, and for the poster that said you can get it mild, recover and have no long term effects - you really don’t know that this is the case at this point!
And we can cross the street and hit by a bus.
We don't know anything about this virus, correct. We can only learn as we go along but we can't stop life as we have seen it has had worse outcomes than just death from covid.
I think the media is the worst part of this virus and they are pitting people against each other and making everything the worst scenario and loving it.
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
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Posted by itsbabytime
I’m not sure this is really the only issue. We are dealing with a virus that we still know very very little about. They are starting to see that even in people and kids that were asymptomatic there is damage that may initially be symptomless. For just one example- google “COVID, student athletes and heart”. They are now seeing that both kids and adults that may have been asymptomatic and still are but are walking around with a ticking time bomb where if they exert themselves they could drop dead. So, since they are only now starting to screen for this and if u look at the high percentages from the studies that have been done so far - it paints a very different picture than what we are all Operating under. I have heard from our community doctors that it’s not just the heart but they are seeing a number of other health issues pop up In people and kids That have COVID antibodies. If you want another example look up the recent research and news on “neurological issues in both kids and adults post COVID.” So - to answer your question - I don’t think the concern is just as simple as you are making it out to be, and for the poster that said you can get it mild, recover and have no long term effects - you really don’t know that this is the case at this point!
And we can cross the street and hit by a bus.
We don't know anything about this virus, correct. We can only learn as we go along but we can't stop life as we have seen it has had worse outcomes than just death from covid.
I think the media is the worst part of this virus and they are pitting people against each other and making everything the worst scenario and loving it.
Exactly. If this is going to be the end of our lives because of the "what if's" then well that's pretty sad.
I have heard plenty of stories of young "healthy" athletes dropping dead after exerting themselves from a heart issue that they never knew they had way before COVID was a thing.
You would always hear on the news about a high school football player or a 21 year old baseball player or runner who just suddenly died of cardiac arrest.
It happens. Just because they have COVID antibodies it doesn't mean that was the cause of it.
We won't really know the "long" term effects of this for 10 to 20 years. So until then what?
What's the long term effects of the flu?
If I die tomorrow of a heart issue will it be because I had the flu 5 years ago?
Strep can cause major issues too... like rheumatic fever.
Maybe it's just me, maybe I'm too laid back. But that's just how I was raised.
I always live by the quote- worrying never stopped anyone from dying, but it stops you from living.
If I sat here and worried about everything that could possibly kill me, I'd be in a mental hospital. I know myself. I have to let certain things go.
I'm careful, I don't want to get sick with anything, viruses, flu, pink eye, even a cold. I take precautions.
But I have to live
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
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Posted by itsbabytime
I’m not sure this is really the only issue. We are dealing with a virus that we still know very very little about. They are starting to see that even in people and kids that were asymptomatic there is damage that may initially be symptomless. For just one example- google “COVID, student athletes and heart”. They are now seeing that both kids and adults that may have been asymptomatic and still are but are walking around with a ticking time bomb where if they exert themselves they could drop dead. So, since they are only now starting to screen for this and if u look at the high percentages from the studies that have been done so far - it paints a very different picture than what we are all Operating under. I have heard from our community doctors that it’s not just the heart but they are seeing a number of other health issues pop up In people and kids That have COVID antibodies. If you want another example look up the recent research and news on “neurological issues in both kids and adults post COVID.” So - to answer your question - I don’t think the concern is just as simple as you are making it out to be, and for the poster that said you can get it mild, recover and have no long term effects - you really don’t know that this is the case at this point!
And we can cross the street and hit by a bus.
We don't know anything about this virus, correct. We can only learn as we go along but we can't stop life as we have seen it has had worse outcomes than just death from covid.
I think the media is the worst part of this virus and they are pitting people against each other and making everything the worst scenario and loving it.
Exactly. If this is going to be the end of our lives because of the "what if's" then well that's pretty sad.
I have heard plenty of stories of young "healthy" athletes dropping dead after exerting themselves from a heart issue that they never knew they had way before COVID was a thing.
You would always hear on the news about a high school football player or a 21 year old baseball player or runner who just suddenly died of cardiac arrest.
It happens. Just because they have COVID antibodies it doesn't mean that was the cause of it.
We won't really know the "long" term effects of this for 10 to 20 years. So until then what?
What's the long term effects of the flu?
If I die tomorrow of a heart issue will it be because I had the flu 5 years ago?
Strep can cause major issues too... like rheumatic fever.
Maybe it's just me, maybe I'm too laid back. But that's just how I was raised.
I always live by the quote- worrying never stopped anyone from dying, but it stops you from living.
If I sat here and worried about everything that could possibly kill me, I'd be in a mental hospital. I know myself. I have to let certain things go.
I'm careful, I don't want to get sick with anything, viruses, flu, pink eye, even a cold. I take precautions.
But I have to live
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
Posted by itsbabytime
I’m not sure this is really the only issue. We are dealing with a virus that we still know very very little about. They are starting to see that even in people and kids that were asymptomatic there is damage that may initially be symptomless. For just one example- google “COVID, student athletes and heart”. They are now seeing that both kids and adults that may have been asymptomatic and still are but are walking around with a ticking time bomb where if they exert themselves they could drop dead. So, since they are only now starting to screen for this and if u look at the high percentages from the studies that have been done so far - it paints a very different picture than what we are all Operating under. I have heard from our community doctors that it’s not just the heart but they are seeing a number of other health issues pop up In people and kids That have COVID antibodies. If you want another example look up the recent research and news on “neurological issues in both kids and adults post COVID.” So - to answer your question - I don’t think the concern is just as simple as you are making it out to be, and for the poster that said you can get it mild, recover and have no long term effects - you really don’t know that this is the case at this point!
Every article I found with that reference to the heart stated specifically that myocarditis is a known effect of any virus including the flu and colds. Any evidence that the risk is higher is based limited research and anecdotal evidence. (And no offense but in the past some posters have dismissed this sort of evidence)
Nell mentioned strep. Well I personally know two children who had undetected strep who needed major heart surgery...one will have a pacemaker for the rest of his life.
I’m not saying I’m not taking this seriously. I am. Everyone I know is. But it’s almost like everyone is acting like the world was safe before this. It wasn’t. We faced the exact same risks and dangers. This one just has a new name.
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| Posted 8/11/20 5:32 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
Posted by Pomegranate5
Every article I found with that reference to the heart stated specifically that myocarditis is a known effect of any virus including the flu and colds. Any evidence that the risk is higher is based limited research and anecdotal evidence. (And no offense but in the past some posters have dismissed this sort of evidence)
My neighbor actually had a root canal last year that landed her in the hospital with myocarditis.
The world is a scary place. And yet, we live the best we can....
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| Posted 8/11/20 5:38 PM |
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valentinesbaby
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Pomegranate5
Every article I found with that reference to the heart stated specifically that myocarditis is a known effect of any virus including the flu and colds. Any evidence that the risk is higher is based limited research and anecdotal evidence. (And no offense but in the past some posters have dismissed this sort of evidence)
My neighbor actually had a root canal last year that landed her in the hospital with myocarditis.
The world is a scary place. And yet, we live the best we can....
Exactly so many freak things happen on life. We can’t live being worried about them all then we won’t be able to live.
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| Posted 8/11/20 6:40 PM |
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OhBoyorGirl
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
Posted by Funkybutt
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Posted by LastLightGlow
I don’t watch the news anymore so I have no idea what is being reported to the general public. We are seeing a lot of post-Covid complications now in hospitals. Kidney failure leading to dialysis, stroke, heart attack, dementia, lung scarring causing evaluations for lung transplant or home oxygen dependence, blindness, reactivation of the virus in specific parts of the body months later, ect. and this is only a few months out from initial infection. I want to mention that these weren’t all situations that the person would have developed these issues imminently anyways. We don’t even know the long term implications yet. So mortality may be low but long-term complications are arising that cause major disability and death later.
I've been hearing this too. We need to pay attention to this and to people like you who know so much more than we do.
Yup - I saw on the news where a guy was in recovery but had to relearn how to walk. I'm NOT interested in that being my life. Nor worrying about whether the next blood clot is going to cause a stroke, or that I'll be on oxygen in 10 years b/c my lungs are swiss cheese.
I think people are thinking it's either they get the sniffles or they die - but it's all the stuff in between that scares me more.
Exactly this. My DH had the virus. He is “recovered”. Ask him how he’s feeling, he will tell you “I feel fine!” As someone who has known him for 20+ years- sure, he’s “fine”, and for that I am truly grateful. But he is NOT the same. 41 years old, very physically fit, no underlying conditions. He was the sickest I have even seen him, and honestly- in pre-Covid times- I would’ve insisted on an ER visit for him bc of his “pneumonia” or whatever else I would’ve thought he had. But, he toughed it out at home, recovered at home. Scariest 2 weeks ever. And now, almost 4 months later- still coughing- like a smokers cough, voice still sounds groggy, still gets winded, still easily fatigued......he’s aged significantly from this, and yet “he’s fine”.
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| Posted 8/11/20 6:58 PM |
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jlm2008
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Re: Your opinion on infection rate vs death or hospitalization rate
Posted by LastLightGlow
I don’t watch the news anymore so I have no idea what is being reported to the general public. We are seeing a lot of post-Covid complications now in hospitals. Kidney failure leading to dialysis, stroke, heart attack, dementia, lung scarring causing evaluations for lung transplant or home oxygen dependence, blindness, reactivation of the virus in specific parts of the body months later, ect. and this is only a few months out from initial infection. I want to mention that these weren’t all situations that the person would have developed these issues imminently anyways. We don’t even know the long term implications yet. So mortality may be low but long-term complications are arising that cause major disability and death later.
Unfortunately people are incapable of understanding all of this. THIS is what scares most logical people about the virus. That is why it is so ridiculous and completely uninformed when peoples rallying cry is " oh but only 1% will die". I'm not worried about dying, I'm worried about the life long complications, which many are worse than death in my opinion. So I may recover, but might as well be dead.
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| Posted 8/11/20 8:19 PM |
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