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LittleDiva
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Normal death rate
Just curious bc it came up in conversation...how many people typically die a day in New York? (Prior to covid) I couldn’t find an accurate site.
We were discussing if the “daily death rate” during covid is let’s say 300....sounds morbid but if the normal death rate is 200 is it worth our mental health to live like this?!
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Re: Normal death rate
Funny you ask this. A while back my boss was actually googling how many people die in an average day in the world.
Morbid thing to be googling, I know!
But he was thinking the same as you.
I think they said on a normal day in NYC 145 people die.
Something like that
But who knows how accurate that is
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MrsT809
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Normal death rate
Have you seen all the article the last few days about bodies and coffins literally piling up in nursing homes? I don't think there's anything normal about how many people are dying.
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Re: Normal death rate
Posted by MrsT809
Have you seen all the article the last few days about bodies and coffins literally piling up in nursing homes? I don't think there's anything normal about how many people are dying.
also, all the numbers being reported are for people who have died and were confirmed/suspected to be coronavirus. they aren't counting ALL deaths with they provide the stats.
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LittleDiva
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Re: Normal death rate
Posted by MarathonKnitter
Posted by MrsT809
Have you seen all the article the last few days about bodies and coffins literally piling up in nursing homes? I don't think there's anything normal about how many people are dying.
also, all the numbers being reported are for people who have died and were confirmed/suspected to be coronavirus. they aren't counting ALL deaths with they provide the stats.
Ok, that’s along the lines of what we were trying to figure out. So when they say 350 deaths....they are referring to only covid deaths?
I’m not trying to “normalize” the current situation. It was a conversation that took place and we were just curious as to pre-covid numbers.
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Re: Normal death rate
I don't know the normal death rate, but I know that morgues and funeral homes have run out of capacity so there are bodies in bags just piled up in trucks with nowhere to go. That's grim.
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Re: Normal death rate
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by MarathonKnitter
Posted by MrsT809
Have you seen all the article the last few days about bodies and coffins literally piling up in nursing homes? I don't think there's anything normal about how many people are dying.
also, all the numbers being reported are for people who have died and were confirmed/suspected to be coronavirus. they aren't counting ALL deaths with they provide the stats.
Ok, that’s along the lines of what we were trying to figure out. So when they say 350 deaths....they are referring to only covid deaths?
I’m not trying to “normalize” the current situation. It was a conversation that took place and we were just curious as to pre-covid numbers.
yes. only covid numbers.
so imagine, if NYC normally has 175 deaths/day... now it's 175 plus 300 (or whatever the number might be on that day).
that is very grim.
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Re: Normal death rate
I don’t know the normal rate but you have all those theories out there that people are saying the numbers are being padded.
So o have heard several times things along the line that people who have been dying have been counted as toward the covid cases no matter what they die for.
Or that even if they die and it wasn’t necessarily proven that has anything to do with covid they are being counted as covid death if they show any sign that they have covid 19.
How true is that who knows and honestly who knows we will probably never really know the true numbers.
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LuckyStar
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Normal death rate
The numbers released daily are COVID only.
125 seems low for a normal daily rate. I admit I’ve never done research on the topic but i have a feeling it’s higher than that.
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Re: Normal death rate
Posted by LittleDiva
Ok, that’s along the lines of what we were trying to figure out. So when they say 350 deaths....they are referring to only covid deaths?
I’m not trying to “normalize” the current situation. It was a conversation that took place and we were just curious as to pre-covid numbers.
Yeah those are only Covid deaths reported.
The bodies are piling up but that's because they are ill-equipped to handle them all. They aren't processing them for a number of reasons like the risk of spreading the virus, there are no services right now, it's hard to get family to sign off on what to do with the bodies, etc.
I don't think any of the reporting is accurate right now. I know from some of my friends that the nursing homes (they work at) are labeling all deaths as covid without even testing.
There are articles saying some hospitals are downplaying the numbers to make them look better. Then there are articles saying that hospitals are upping the numbers to get more money.
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Re: Normal death rate
Posted by blu6385
I don’t know the normal rate but you have all those theories out there that people are saying the numbers are being padded.
So o have heard several times things along the line that people who have been dying have been counted as toward the covid cases no matter what they die for.
Or that even if they die and it wasn’t necessarily proven that has anything to do with covid they are being counted as covid death if they show any sign that they have covid 19.
How true is that who knows and honestly who knows we will probably never really know the true numbers.
I don’t know to what extent they are doing this, but this is happening. I know of one absolute case where they did this.
Tbh I’ve never trusted these numbers and the more this goes on the more distrusting I get. I’m not saying a lot of people aren’t dying from Covid but I feel like these numbers are severely skewed.
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Re: Normal death rate
Posted by blu6385
I don’t know the normal rate but you have all those theories out there that people are saying the numbers are being padded.
So o have heard several times things along the line that people who have been dying have been counted as toward the covid cases no matter what they die for.
Or that even if they die and it wasn’t necessarily proven that has anything to do with covid they are being counted as covid death if they show any sign that they have covid 19.
How true is that who knows and honestly who knows we will probably never really know the true numbers.
I was reading today about how they count flu deaths and it's not straight forward either. First off, no one dies from the flu itself. They die bc of related commissions. Also, they don't count it case by case. They take known cases and figure out some complicated coefficients to estimate the total deaths. It said if we counted covid deaths that way it could be much more than has been reported. I don't think that's true in NY but it could be in other states where they suspect deaths are being underreported like FL.
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NervousNell
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Re: Normal death rate
Posted by blu6385
Or that even if they die and it wasn’t necessarily proven that has anything to do with covid they are being counted as covid death if they show any sign that they have covid 19.
How true is that who knows and honestly who knows we will probably never really know the true numbers.
So if I cough, then later that day die of a heart attack, they count me as a Covid death?
Wouldn't surprise me...
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Re: Normal death rate
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
Or that even if they die and it wasn’t necessarily proven that has anything to do with covid they are being counted as covid death if they show any sign that they have covid 19.
How true is that who knows and honestly who knows we will probably never really know the true numbers.
So if I cough, then later that day die of a heart attack, they count me as a Covid death?
Wouldn't surprise me...
Basically yes and how many people are going to actually have an autopsy on family to see if they had underlying conditions?
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Re: Normal death rate
Posted by valentinesbaby
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Posted by blu6385
Or that even if they die and it wasn’t necessarily proven that has anything to do with covid they are being counted as covid death if they show any sign that they have covid 19.
How true is that who knows and honestly who knows we will probably never really know the true numbers.
So if I cough, then later that day die of a heart attack, they count me as a Covid death?
Wouldn't surprise me...
Basically yes and how many people are going to actually have an autopsy on family to see if they had underlying conditions?
Yep, Ridiculous
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Re: Normal death rate
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Posted by blu6385
I don’t know the normal rate but you have all those theories out there that people are saying the numbers are being padded.
So o have heard several times things along the line that people who have been dying have been counted as toward the covid cases no matter what they die for.
Or that even if they die and it wasn’t necessarily proven that has anything to do with covid they are being counted as covid death if they show any sign that they have covid 19.
How true is that who knows and honestly who knows we will probably never really know the true numbers.
I don’t know to what extent they are doing this, but this is happening. I know of one absolute case where they did this.
Tbh I’ve never trusted these numbers and the more this goes on the more distrusting I get. I’m not saying a lot of people aren’t dying from Covid but I feel like these numbers are severely skewed.
The CDC does say they can declare COVID as the manner of death, even if they only suspect it to be. I read it myself on their website.
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Re: Normal death rate
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by Sash
Posted by blu6385
I don’t know the normal rate but you have all those theories out there that people are saying the numbers are being padded.
So o have heard several times things along the line that people who have been dying have been counted as toward the covid cases no matter what they die for.
Or that even if they die and it wasn’t necessarily proven that has anything to do with covid they are being counted as covid death if they show any sign that they have covid 19.
How true is that who knows and honestly who knows we will probably never really know the true numbers.
I don’t know to what extent they are doing this, but this is happening. I know of one absolute case where they did this.
Tbh I’ve never trusted these numbers and the more this goes on the more distrusting I get. I’m not saying a lot of people aren’t dying from Covid but I feel like these numbers are severely skewed.
The CDC does say they can declare COVID as the manner of death, even if they only suspect it to be. I read it myself on their website.
What would be the benefit of that though? Like why do they want to artificial inflate the numbers?
And can't a person who died, where Covid is suspected, be tested?
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BargainMama
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Re: Normal death rate
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by Sash
Posted by blu6385
I don’t know the normal rate but you have all those theories out there that people are saying the numbers are being padded.
So o have heard several times things along the line that people who have been dying have been counted as toward the covid cases no matter what they die for.
Or that even if they die and it wasn’t necessarily proven that has anything to do with covid they are being counted as covid death if they show any sign that they have covid 19.
How true is that who knows and honestly who knows we will probably never really know the true numbers.
I don’t know to what extent they are doing this, but this is happening. I know of one absolute case where they did this.
Tbh I’ve never trusted these numbers and the more this goes on the more distrusting I get. I’m not saying a lot of people aren’t dying from Covid but I feel like these numbers are severely skewed.
The CDC does say they can declare COVID as the manner of death, even if they only suspect it to be. I read it myself on their website.
What would be the benefit of that though? Like why do they want to artificial inflate the numbers?
And can't a person who died, where Covid is suspected, be tested?
I'm guessing it's due to the hospital being overwhelmed and not enough time to perform autopsies to actually determine the true cause of death? I don't know really
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Re: Normal death rate
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by Sash
Posted by blu6385
I don’t know the normal rate but you have all those theories out there that people are saying the numbers are being padded.
So o have heard several times things along the line that people who have been dying have been counted as toward the covid cases no matter what they die for.
Or that even if they die and it wasn’t necessarily proven that has anything to do with covid they are being counted as covid death if they show any sign that they have covid 19.
How true is that who knows and honestly who knows we will probably never really know the true numbers.
I don’t know to what extent they are doing this, but this is happening. I know of one absolute case where they did this.
Tbh I’ve never trusted these numbers and the more this goes on the more distrusting I get. I’m not saying a lot of people aren’t dying from Covid but I feel like these numbers are severely skewed.
The CDC does say they can declare COVID as the manner of death, even if they only suspect it to be. I read it myself on their website.
What would be the benefit of that though? Like why do they want to artificial inflate the numbers?
And can't a person who died, where Covid is suspected, be tested?
I'm guessing it's due to the hospital being overwhelmed and not enough time to perform autopsies to actually determine the true cause of death? I don't know really
True but I would imagine a simple covid test on someone who passed would be quick and easy.
Unless they still don't have enough tests
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Re: Normal death rate
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
Or that even if they die and it wasn’t necessarily proven that has anything to do with covid they are being counted as covid death if they show any sign that they have covid 19.
How true is that who knows and honestly who knows we will probably never really know the true numbers.
So if I cough, then later that day die of a heart attack, they count me as a Covid death?
Wouldn't surprise me...
NO. The reported COVID deaths are those people in hospitals with a diagnosis of COVID that died. Those are the daily death numbers that are being reported. If you are diagnosed with COVID and die at home, you are not counted in the COVID death totals.
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Re: Normal death rate
Posted by LittleDiva
Just curious bc it came up in conversation...how many people typically die a day in New York? (Prior to covid) I couldn’t find an accurate site.
We were discussing if the “daily death rate” during covid is let’s say 300....sounds morbid but if the normal death rate is 200 is it worth our mental health to live like this?!
I have no idea how accurate this is, but here you go
And this really old article says about 50,000 people die each year in New York. Right now, we have 18,610 dead from Coronavirus - and those are just the people that have died in hospitals or nursing homes with a positive test result.
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Re: Normal death rate
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by Sash
Posted by blu6385
I don’t know the normal rate but you have all those theories out there that people are saying the numbers are being padded.
So o have heard several times things along the line that people who have been dying have been counted as toward the covid cases no matter what they die for.
Or that even if they die and it wasn’t necessarily proven that has anything to do with covid they are being counted as covid death if they show any sign that they have covid 19.
How true is that who knows and honestly who knows we will probably never really know the true numbers.
I don’t know to what extent they are doing this, but this is happening. I know of one absolute case where they did this.
Tbh I’ve never trusted these numbers and the more this goes on the more distrusting I get. I’m not saying a lot of people aren’t dying from Covid but I feel like these numbers are severely skewed.
The CDC does say they can declare COVID as the manner of death, even if they only suspect it to be. I read it myself on their website.
What would be the benefit of that though? Like why do they want to artificial inflate the numbers?
And can't a person who died, where Covid is suspected, be tested?
So the hospitals get more money
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Re: Normal death rate
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by Sash
Posted by blu6385
I don’t know the normal rate but you have all those theories out there that people are saying the numbers are being padded.
So o have heard several times things along the line that people who have been dying have been counted as toward the covid cases no matter what they die for.
Or that even if they die and it wasn’t necessarily proven that has anything to do with covid they are being counted as covid death if they show any sign that they have covid 19.
How true is that who knows and honestly who knows we will probably never really know the true numbers.
I don’t know to what extent they are doing this, but this is happening. I know of one absolute case where they did this.
Tbh I’ve never trusted these numbers and the more this goes on the more distrusting I get. I’m not saying a lot of people aren’t dying from Covid but I feel like these numbers are severely skewed.
The CDC does say they can declare COVID as the manner of death, even if they only suspect it to be. I read it myself on their website.
What would be the benefit of that though? Like why do they want to artificial inflate the numbers?
And can't a person who died, where Covid is suspected, be tested?
So basically what is happening is if someone has symptoms and are presumed to be Covid, but they weren’t tested and then they die, they put it as the presumed cause of death. They aren’t just calling heart attack patients Covid. If you die of cancer, heart attack, but no Covid symptoms, they will still put the real reason in the death certificate. I would imagine the reason they aren’t testing every dead person who may have had is because it would be a waste of resources. 90 % of what is stated on the news anyway is lies, and that’s a fact lol.
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Re: Normal death rate
Posted by Mrs213
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by Sash
Posted by blu6385
I don’t know the normal rate but you have all those theories out there that people are saying the numbers are being padded.
So o have heard several times things along the line that people who have been dying have been counted as toward the covid cases no matter what they die for.
Or that even if they die and it wasn’t necessarily proven that has anything to do with covid they are being counted as covid death if they show any sign that they have covid 19.
How true is that who knows and honestly who knows we will probably never really know the true numbers.
I don’t know to what extent they are doing this, but this is happening. I know of one absolute case where they did this.
Tbh I’ve never trusted these numbers and the more this goes on the more distrusting I get. I’m not saying a lot of people aren’t dying from Covid but I feel like these numbers are severely skewed.
The CDC does say they can declare COVID as the manner of death, even if they only suspect it to be. I read it myself on their website.
What would be the benefit of that though? Like why do they want to artificial inflate the numbers?
And can't a person who died, where Covid is suspected, be tested?
So basically what is happening is if someone has symptoms and are presumed to be Covid, but they weren’t tested and then they die, they put it as the presumed cause of death. They aren’t just calling heart attack patients Covid. If you die of cancer, heart attack, but no Covid symptoms, they will still put the real reason in the death certificate. I would imagine the reason they aren’t testing every dead person who may have had is because it would be a waste of resources. 90 % of what is stated on the news anyway is lies, and that’s a fact lol.
Heard this from real people not the news and you can go on the CDC website as they have information how they are writing up death certificates now.
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Re: Normal death rate
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by Mrs213
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by Sash
Posted by blu6385
I don’t know the normal rate but you have all those theories out there that people are saying the numbers are being padded.
So o have heard several times things along the line that people who have been dying have been counted as toward the covid cases no matter what they die for.
Or that even if they die and it wasn’t necessarily proven that has anything to do with covid they are being counted as covid death if they show any sign that they have covid 19.
How true is that who knows and honestly who knows we will probably never really know the true numbers.
I don’t know to what extent they are doing this, but this is happening. I know of one absolute case where they did this.
Tbh I’ve never trusted these numbers and the more this goes on the more distrusting I get. I’m not saying a lot of people aren’t dying from Covid but I feel like these numbers are severely skewed.
The CDC does say they can declare COVID as the manner of death, even if they only suspect it to be. I read it myself on their website.
What would be the benefit of that though? Like why do they want to artificial inflate the numbers?
And can't a person who died, where Covid is suspected, be tested?
So basically what is happening is if someone has symptoms and are presumed to be Covid, but they weren’t tested and then they die, they put it as the presumed cause of death. They aren’t just calling heart attack patients Covid. If you die of cancer, heart attack, but no Covid symptoms, they will still put the real reason in the death certificate. I would imagine the reason they aren’t testing every dead person who may have had is because it would be a waste of resources. 90 % of what is stated on the news anyway is lies, and that’s a fact lol.
Heard this from real people not the news and you can go on the CDC website as they have information how they are writing up death certificates now.
Yes but people are saying that the hospitals are naming all deaths as Covid which is not the case. They are absolutely stating heart attacks and other ailments as cause of death on death certificates
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