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gina409
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
Posted by Erica
I also think mostly the girls. With mark up $45 is not an outrageous price. You really can't get much for less than $20-25, so the lesson only cost you guys $40 or so.
But a good waiter should clarify with the wine list
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
The girls for sure. You are paying, you find out what it cost.
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| Posted 6/10/12 11:37 PM |
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
Posted by BunnyWife
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I will go against the grain.
In those situations, as I have been in them, the waiter has ALWAYS given me a HOUSE WINE. Not something fancy and certainly not something that high of a cost.
I would be pissed.
It's taking advantage of the consumer.
I mean, I think most people would feel uncomfortable and tacky to agree to a wine suggested by a waiter and then ask, "Umm..by the way..how much is it?"
Can you imagine a guy doing that on a date? It's a reasonable question, just an uncomfortable one.
I'm willing to bet they know this, and therefore, can get away with it.
Usually in these cases, the waiters I have had have confirmed the price before going to get it.
I'm on the side of the girls.
ITA. I think the waiter took advantage of a bunch of girls whom he knew had no idea about wine or prices of bottles. He totally padded the check. Their fault for not asking, but let's be real here....he definitely took advantage of them.
Really? I feel like they were fools for NOT asking for a wine list! If he really wanted to take advantage of them he would have sent over the $100+ bootle.
To the OP...what restaurant was this?
My general point is that any waiter worth his or her salt would disclose the price before adding something to the bill.
For example, whenever I switch things up on a menu (salad instead of rice or fries, for example) or an extra side of X, the waiter generally says "the additional cost will be X, is that ok?"
In customer service, you can't just add something to a service, and have it consumed without ever disclosing the price.
In retail, it's different, because at the point of sale, a guest could say, "Gee, let me remove that item. I wasn't aware of how high the cost."
Here, the wine was consumed, and then bill was given. THere was no choice, they had to pay. I just find it unfair and mostly bad business, if anything.
That's just my POV, not saying I'm right, but just how I see things and it's what I would do if I were a server.
I'd want my guests happy and to be in the know of any additional prices and to inform them of them...especially if they came across as inexperienced in choosing a wine. I would have gotten them a wine list to review and then offer up suggestions. This is how I have always been treated in my dining experiences, at both fancy and non-fancy establishments.
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| Posted 6/10/12 11:43 PM |
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ElizaRags35
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
Posted by cncforever
I will go against the grain.
In those situations, as I have been in them, the waiter has ALWAYS given me a HOUSE WINE. Not something fancy and certainly not something that high of a cost.
I would be pissed.
It's taking advantage of the consumer.
I mean, I think most people would feel uncomfortable and tacky to agree to a wine suggested by a waiter and then ask, "Umm..by the way..how much is it?"
Can you imagine a guy doing that on a date? It's a reasonable question, just an uncomfortable one.
I'm willing to bet they know this, and therefore, can get away with it.
Usually in these cases, the waiters I have had have confirmed the price before going to get it.
I'm on the side of the girls.
I agree, probably because I'm not a wine drinker and have no idea what a bottle of wine costs in a restaurant. I'd be pissed too if I were in that group. However, I would have asked for a wine list.
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| Posted 6/11/12 12:12 AM |
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Diana712
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
Lesson... Always ask for a wine list.. He may have served you a bottle he enjoys and wanted to please you,,
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Erica
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
What if the group had called him over and asked for an additional appetizer? Does the waiter need to inform them of that price too? I would see nothing wrong if he didn't.
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| Posted 6/11/12 6:17 AM |
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skew
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
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However, I do spend a lot of time at wineries, checking out different wines, etc. There are PLENTY of great wines available for under $45.
absolutely - at the store or available for purchasing at a winery. but that same decent bottle that is $15 at the liquor store can very well be $45 at the restaurant. and even if some restaurants have great merlots for under $45, that doesn't mean that *this* restaurant does
ITA. I don't think $45 for a bottle of wine is that uncommon. The waiter should have provided you with a wine list but when he didn't, you should have asked.
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| Posted 6/11/12 7:36 AM |
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I agree with others. You should have checked the list but I don't think the waiter was taking advantage with a $45 bottle. It could have been the house merlot at a decent restaurant.
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yankinmanc
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
This recently happened to a friend of mine at Jamie Oliver's restaurant, her huband asked for a glass of wine and the waiter brought over a $30 glass of wine! She paid it, but was annoyed that the waiter didn't say anything to her. The waiter should have shown you the wine list, but you guys also should have been aware of what you were buying.
So my opinion is that both parties are to blame. Chalk it up to experience.
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JRsMaMa
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
I think it's the girls fault, sorry. I also think that $45 isn't too much for a bottle of wine. I think it's definitely middle of the road. He could have given you a $75+ bottle. Next time be sure to ask for a wine list.
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| Posted 6/11/12 8:29 AM |
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peanutbutter2
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
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Posted by cncforever
I will go against the grain.
In those situations, as I have been in them, the waiter has ALWAYS given me a HOUSE WINE. Not something fancy and certainly not something that high of a cost.
I would be pissed.
It's taking advantage of the consumer.
I mean, I think most people would feel uncomfortable and tacky to agree to a wine suggested by a waiter and then ask, "Umm..by the way..how much is it?"
Can you imagine a guy doing that on a date? It's a reasonable question, just an uncomfortable one.
I'm willing to bet they know this, and therefore, can get away with it.
Usually in these cases, the waiters I have had have confirmed the price before going to get it.
I'm on the side of the girls.
ITA. I think the waiter took advantage of a bunch of girls whom he knew had no idea about wine or prices of bottles. He totally padded the check. Their fault for not asking, but let's be real here....he definitely took advantage of them.
Really? I feel like they were fools for NOT asking for a wine list! If he really wanted to take advantage of them he would have sent over the $100+ bootle.
To the OP...what restaurant was this?
Honestly, I would rather not same the name of the restaurants. I don't like to give specific details of places.
Fools? Foolish mistake maybe. Calling us "fools" seems a little extreme. Is name calling necessary? I'm sure everyone has made a mistake. Like I said, I can expect that we made a mistake. What is with the harshness though? I don't really get it. 
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jilliibabii
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
Posted by Little-J-Mommy
Posted by cncforever
I will go against the grain.
In those situations, as I have been in them, the waiter has ALWAYS given me a HOUSE WINE. Not something fancy and certainly not something that high of a cost.
I would be pissed.
It's taking advantage of the consumer.
I mean, I think most people would feel uncomfortable and tacky to agree to a wine suggested by a waiter and then ask, "Umm..by the way..how much is it?"
Can you imagine a guy doing that on a date? It's a reasonable question, just an uncomfortable one.
I'm willing to bet they know this, and therefore, can get away with it.
Usually in these cases, the waiters I have had have confirmed the price before going to get it.
I'm on the side of the girls.
ITA. I think the waiter took advantage of a bunch of girls whom he knew had no idea about wine or prices of bottles. He totally padded the check. Their fault for not asking, but let's be real here....he definitely took advantage of them.
I have to agree with this. I'm usually given the house wine because I definitely don't know a thing about wine. In fact, the cheaper the better.
But yeah, it sounds like he just said to himself "Whatever is fine, huh?" and went for something more expensive than one might expect. Still ultimately the girls fault for not asking.
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| Posted 6/11/12 9:27 AM |
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rojerono
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
I agree that it's the customer's responsibility to make sure that they know the price of what they are ordering.
I don't think it was an extreme amount of money for a bottle of red in a restaurant - it's probably a middling range and he figured he'd split the difference between a cheap bottle and a high end bottle - HOWEVER if he were a great waiter he would have said "I have a few good selections for the Merlot, did you have a price range in mind?"
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| Posted 6/11/12 9:38 AM |
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Katareen
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
Posted by rojerono
I agree that it's the customer's responsibility to make sure that they know the price of what they are ordering.
I don't think it was an extreme amount of money for a bottle of red in a restaurant - it's probably a middling range and he figured he'd split the difference between a cheap bottle and a high end bottle - HOWEVER if he were a great waiter he would have said "I have a few good selections for the Merlot, did you have a price range in mind?"
Agreed...as a former waitress I would have brought over 3 bottles in 3 price ranges and let the customers choose.
If the group was large enough where the mandatory tip was included in the check, I'd say he might be trying to pad his tip.
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| Posted 6/11/12 9:42 AM |
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
Posted by rojerono
I agree that it's the customer's responsibility to make sure that they know the price of what they are ordering.
I don't think it was an extreme amount of money for a bottle of red in a restaurant - it's probably a middling range and he figured he'd split the difference between a cheap bottle and a high end bottle - HOWEVER if he were a great waiter he would have said "I have a few good selections for the Merlot, did you have a price range in mind?"
I agree.
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| Posted 6/11/12 9:42 AM |
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
I think they are both at fault: the girls should have asked for a wine list (and I am sure going forward they will); and the waiter should have said I suggest X it's Y price is that ok?
I agree with the posters that said that of course the waiter will get something to pad up the bill. His tip is based off the total anyway. It definitely could have been worse though.
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| Posted 6/11/12 9:44 AM |
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MrsFrizzle
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
I'd say a little of both. The waiter may have taken the situation as free reign to give you whatever he thought best even if it were a little pricey.
However I would always ask for the wine list or say any bottle of Merlot under $25 or something like that. You have to be your own advocate in everything.
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| Posted 6/11/12 9:50 AM |
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Jugglemom
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
Posted by twicethefun
At some restaurants $45 is on the low end. if he gave the $100 bottle i would think he took advantage, but $45? not really.
I agree with this. At most restaurants the cheapest bottle of wine is about $45. So I don't think it is anything out of the ordinary. I would also NEVER blindly order a bottle - I always look at the list.
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| Posted 6/11/12 9:54 AM |
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teachermom
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
Girls. You should always ask for a list for this exact reason. Also, $45 isn't crazy for a bottle of wine so I don't think the waiter was trying to pull a fast one on you. You were actually lucky that they gave you a $45 bottle!
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| Posted 6/11/12 9:54 AM |
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JennP
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
I agree with those who said fault lies with both parties.
Posted by Erica
What if the group had called him over and asked for an additional appetizer? Does the waiter need to inform them of that price too? I would see nothing wrong if he didn't.
I think the difference here is that appetizer prices are listed on the menu so the waiter can assume they already know how much it is.
Even if they don't, there is generally a lot less variation in appetizer prices.
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MrsA1012
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
The girl's fault.
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| Posted 6/11/12 10:28 AM |
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jams92
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
i def think its the girls fault. at a good restaurant the bottle of wine probably range from $20 - $90 so a $45 bottle is mid range. The waiter didnt know what you wanted so he took a guess and opted for something in the middle.
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| Posted 6/11/12 10:32 AM |
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
I think $45 is pretty mid-range for a bottle of wine. And I don't think the waiter was necessarily trying to jack up the bill. When you said to bring over anything, he may have been concerned with giving you a "cheap" wine that you wouldn't have liked, so he went for something mid-range that he knew was good wine. If you didn't ask about the price, he was right to assume you didn't really care too much.
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| Posted 6/11/12 10:46 AM |
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kahlua716
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
If I were the server I would've asked what the girls' price range was and then chosen a bottle at that range.
If I were in the group I would have specified the amount I was looking to spend.
If I were a man taking a woman out to dinner- I would request a wine list and pretend I knew something about wine 
Everyone is at fault- the waiter probably took advantage a bit, but the girls shouldn't be angry because they could've asked or specified a price point.
ETA: I also have to agree with those that spoke of the mark up on wine- it's crazy!
I used to work at a chain restaurant and we sold a bottle of Sutter Home that went for $7 in a liquor store for $25. Nuts.
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Re: What do you think of this situation?
I think the girl's were at fault for not asking for a wine list. Most restaurants I know of charge much more for the same bottle of wine you can get in a store. So if you went to the store maybe they would have charged you $20 for an identical bottle of wine, but when you buy wine in a restaurant that is their "bread and butter." They have a huge mark up per bottle. I don't think $45 for one bottle of wine in a mid range restaurant is excessive and frankly it might have been one of their less expensive wines too. I would chalk this up as a lesson learned. Sorry it upset you though.
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