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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by klingklang77
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That's life. Life isn't fair. Life isn't equal.
Yikes. Yikes to this and everything said by you in this thread. Please, understand that there are other people in this world. Have compassion, understanding, and empathy.
Not that poster but I think she does and what she is trying to say is that everyone wants something for nothing. They want the wage but don't want the hard work or education to get it.
Many people, especially on LI work more than one job. That IS life if you want to live a certain lifestyle AND live here.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by afternoondelight828
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Posted by Hofstra26
That's life. Life isn't fair. Life isn't equal.
Yikes. Yikes to this and everything said by you in this thread. Please, understand that there are other people in this world. Have compassion, understanding, and empathy.
Not that poster but I think she does and what she is trying to say is that everyone wants something for nothing. They want the wage but don't want the hard work or education to get it.
Many people, especially on LI work more than one job. That IS life if you want to live a certain lifestyle AND live here.
Really? I don't see that at all. What I see is pick yourself up and make it work out. You flip burgers? No money for you! OH, it's only temporary? Too bad, you have no skill (at this job). No money for you!
I'm sorry, but all I see is no compassion or understanding of others.
ETA: I'm sort of referring to the NYT article about poverty.
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Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
I can't scroll down on the legal vs illegal post in my phone, but the analogy (in addition to being super offensive) is wrong. You ignore the fact that someone who is undocumented is actually NOT eligible for most benefits, including federal housing subsidies. If they have kids who have status, they might be eligible to be a payee/recipient on behalf of the kids, but people who are undocumented don't "count" for the purposes of most benefit issuances.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Hofstra26
That's life. Life isn't fair. Life isn't equal.
Yikes. Yikes to this and everything said by you in this thread. Please, understand that there are other people in this world. Have compassion, understanding, and empathy.
I do have understanding and compassion BUT I'm also practical and realistic about the world around me. Everything isn't rainbows and light and EVERYONE has some sort of struggle but it's up to the individual to make something of themselves despite whatever their circumstance. There will ALWAYS be someone better or worse off than you, someone who has more or has less, or someone who has had better opportunities in life. Sometimes you might have to work twice as hard as someone else but that's just a fact of life.
We should ALL be doing the best we can to make a good life for ourselves because you CANNOT rely on anyone but yourself. It does not make me lack compassion to make the point that life isn't fair. It just isn't. Anyone who labors under this delusion will be sadly disappointed time and time again.
With regards to the minimum wage, we can just agree to disagree because I *personally* don't believe that jobs of this nature (retail, fast food, etc) are deserving of $15/hr pay. They aren't "careers", they are what is considered in this society to be a "menial job" in which ANYONE regardless of age, education, or experience can be trained to do and because of that fact it does NOT warrant any sort of significant pay. There is a reason why someone who works at Burger King makes only a few bucks an hour and an engineer makes a six figure salary..........the more educated, skilled, and valuable you are to a company the more money you can make.
There is no sense in going back and forth on this, we clearly don't see eye to eye and that's okay. You're entitled to your opinion, I just don't really agree with it. 
ETA - When I was a baby my parents had next to nothing. My dad worked FOUR jobs, SEVEN days a week and practically around the clock. That's what you HAVE to do to take care of your family, it might not be ideal but you do what you have to do to get by. And hard work usually pays off...................eventually my Dad didn't have to do that but he did what was necessary for our family to get by.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by Hofstra26
There is no sense in going back and forth on this, we clearly don't see eye to eye and that's okay. You're entitled to your opinion, I just don't really agree with it.
ETA - When I was a baby my parents had next to nothing. My dad worked FOUR jobs, SEVEN days a week and practically around the clock. That's what you HAVE to do to take care of your family, it might not be ideal but you do what you have to do to get by. And hard work usually pays off...................eventually my Dad didn't have to do that but he did what was necessary for our family to get by.
The first statement- that's your opinion and it's... whatever. I'm tired and this discussion is not worth it with someone who cannot read facts.
To the ETA: that's anecdotal evidence. Again, that means nothing- pure opinion.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by afternoondelight828
Posted by BunnyWife
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Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by Seawolf
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
You do realize $15 dollars an hour comes out to just a little over $17,000 a year if you work a 40 hour week, right? You think the base living of any person in this country should be lower then that? All, this does is makes these peoples lives a little nicer, a little more secure for their children. Why is this so offensive to you?
Are you speaking AFTER taxes? Before it is $31,200.
Our police officers only start at $41,000.
After taxes. But I'm seeing different numbers depending on family size and what not.
Here is something to read regarding how much 2 people make before and after taxes:
Joe legal works in construction, has a Social Security number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
Jose illegal also works in construction has no Social Security number and makes $15.00 per hour cash, under the table.
Ready?... now pay attention....
Joe legal: $25.00 per hour × 40 hours = $1,000.00 per week or $52,000.00 per year. Now, take 31% away for State and Federal taxes. Joe legal now has $31,231.00.
Jose illegal: $15.00 an hour × 40 hours = $600.00 per week or $31,200.00 per year. Jose illegal pays no taxes. Jose illegal now has $31,200.00.
Joe legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe legal now has $24,031.00.
Jose illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the State and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
Jose illegal receives $500.00 per month Federal rent subsidy. Jose illegal pays out that $500.00 per month or $6,000.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
Jose illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance."... and still has $31,000.00.
This argument is so ridiculous I cut most of it out and will only comment on the above incorrect points.
Joe legal is not getting 31% of fed and state taxes out making just over 30k. So not accurate. Try maybe 21% between the two (I haven't looked at the brackets lately, but it's nowhere near 31%). And you aren't even paying the 21% on the full amount.
Jose illegal is only getting emergency treatment and believe me the doctors and hospitals will come calling for money. It's not free like you think. If Jose doesn't pay, his credit is ruined if ever wants to become legal. Another point so erroneous.
In regards to the rent subsidy, have you checked how long the Section 8 waiting list is currently to get housing aid? Try YEARS. Go to citydata forums if you think otherwise. Oh and no Long Island landlord will give Jose Illegal a place to live without a rental history unless the landlord is doing something crooked himself.
As far as the drivers insurance? Good luck with that. You need insurance to drive. Get caught without it? It's a year of a suspended license and a $1000 fine. Get caught again or without a license in general, can lead to jail time. Another silly point really.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Hofstra26
There is no sense in going back and forth on this, we clearly don't see eye to eye and that's okay. You're entitled to your opinion, I just don't really agree with it.
ETA - When I was a baby my parents had next to nothing. My dad worked FOUR jobs, SEVEN days a week and practically around the clock. That's what you HAVE to do to take care of your family, it might not be ideal but you do what you have to do to get by. And hard work usually pays off...................eventually my Dad didn't have to do that but he did what was necessary for our family to get by.
The first statement- that's your opinion and it's... whatever. I'm tired and this discussion is not worth it with someone who cannot read facts.
To the ETA: that's anecdotal evidence. Again, that means nothing- pure opinion.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by ave1024
Posted by afternoondelight828
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by afternoondelight828
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Seawolf
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
You do realize $15 dollars an hour comes out to just a little over $17,000 a year if you work a 40 hour week, right? You think the base living of any person in this country should be lower then that? All, this does is makes these peoples lives a little nicer, a little more secure for their children. Why is this so offensive to you?
Are you speaking AFTER taxes? Before it is $31,200.
Our police officers only start at $41,000.
After taxes. But I'm seeing different numbers depending on family size and what not.
Here is something to read regarding how much 2 people make before and after taxes:
Joe legal works in construction, has a Social Security number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
Jose illegal also works in construction has no Social Security number and makes $15.00 per hour cash, under the table.
Ready?... now pay attention....
Joe legal: $25.00 per hour × 40 hours = $1,000.00 per week or $52,000.00 per year. Now, take 31% away for State and Federal taxes. Joe legal now has $31,231.00.
Jose illegal: $15.00 an hour × 40 hours = $600.00 per week or $31,200.00 per year. Jose illegal pays no taxes. Jose illegal now has $31,200.00.
Joe legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe legal now has $24,031.00.
Jose illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the State and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
Jose illegal receives $500.00 per month Federal rent subsidy. Jose illegal pays out that $500.00 per month or $6,000.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
Jose illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance."... and still has $31,000.00.
This argument is so ridiculous I cut most of it out and will only comment on the above incorrect points.
Joe legal is not getting 31% of fed and state taxes out making just over 30k. So not accurate. Try maybe 21% between the two (I haven't looked at the brackets lately, but it's nowhere near 31%). And you aren't even paying the 21% on the full amount.
Jose illegal is only getting emergency treatment and believe me the doctors and hospitals will come calling for money. It's not free like you think. If Jose doesn't pay, his credit is ruined if ever wants to become legal. Another point so erroneous.
In regards to the rent subsidy, have you checked how long the Section 8 waiting list is currently to get housing aid? Try YEARS. Go to citydata forums if you think otherwise. Oh and no Long Island landlord will give Jose Illegal a place to live without a rental history unless the landlord is doing something crooked himself.
As far as the drivers insurance? Good luck with that. You need insurance to drive. Get caught without it? It's a year of a suspended license and a $1000 fine. Get caught again or without a license in general, can lead to jail time. Another silly point really.
 facts. Not propaganda for Facebook shares. Love them.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Hofstra26
There is no sense in going back and forth on this, we clearly don't see eye to eye and that's okay. You're entitled to your opinion, I just don't really agree with it.
ETA - When I was a baby my parents had next to nothing. My dad worked FOUR jobs, SEVEN days a week and practically around the clock. That's what you HAVE to do to take care of your family, it might not be ideal but you do what you have to do to get by. And hard work usually pays off...................eventually my Dad didn't have to do that but he did what was necessary for our family to get by.
The first statement- that's your opinion and it's... whatever. I'm tired and this discussion is not worth it with someone who cannot read facts.
To the ETA: that's anecdotal evidence. Again, that means nothing- pure opinion.
That's fine and I accept your . I'll just them right back at ya!
No hard feelings, you suggested Bloodline to me, but I just can't debate with you  .
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Hofstra26
There is no sense in going back and forth on this, we clearly don't see eye to eye and that's okay. You're entitled to your opinion, I just don't really agree with it.
ETA - When I was a baby my parents had next to nothing. My dad worked FOUR jobs, SEVEN days a week and practically around the clock. That's what you HAVE to do to take care of your family, it might not be ideal but you do what you have to do to get by. And hard work usually pays off...................eventually my Dad didn't have to do that but he did what was necessary for our family to get by.
The first statement- that's your opinion and it's... whatever. I'm tired and this discussion is not worth it with someone who cannot read facts.
To the ETA: that's anecdotal evidence. Again, that means nothing- pure opinion.
That's fine and I accept your . I'll just them right back at ya!
No hard feelings, you suggested Bloodline to me, but I just can't debate with you .
Oh yea!!................ Off topic buuuut did you love it??!! 
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by ave1024
Posted by afternoondelight828
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by afternoondelight828
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Seawolf
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
You do realize $15 dollars an hour comes out to just a little over $17,000 a year if you work a 40 hour week, right? You think the base living of any person in this country should be lower then that? All, this does is makes these peoples lives a little nicer, a little more secure for their children. Why is this so offensive to you?
Are you speaking AFTER taxes? Before it is $31,200.
Our police officers only start at $41,000.
After taxes. But I'm seeing different numbers depending on family size and what not.
Here is something to read regarding how much 2 people make before and after taxes:
Joe legal works in construction, has a Social Security number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
Jose illegal also works in construction has no Social Security number and makes $15.00 per hour cash, under the table.
Ready?... now pay attention....
Joe legal: $25.00 per hour × 40 hours = $1,000.00 per week or $52,000.00 per year. Now, take 31% away for State and Federal taxes. Joe legal now has $31,231.00.
Jose illegal: $15.00 an hour × 40 hours = $600.00 per week or $31,200.00 per year. Jose illegal pays no taxes. Jose illegal now has $31,200.00.
Joe legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe legal now has $24,031.00.
Jose illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the State and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
Jose illegal receives $500.00 per month Federal rent subsidy. Jose illegal pays out that $500.00 per month or $6,000.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
Jose illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance."... and still has $31,000.00.
This argument is so ridiculous I cut most of it out and will only comment on the above incorrect points.
Joe legal is not getting 31% of fed and state taxes out making just over 30k. So not accurate. Try maybe 21% between the two (I haven't looked at the brackets lately, but it's nowhere near 31%). And you aren't even paying the 21% on the full amount.
Jose illegal is only getting emergency treatment and believe me the doctors and hospitals will come calling for money. It's not free like you think. If Jose doesn't pay, his credit is ruined if ever wants to become legal. Another point so erroneous.
In regards to the rent subsidy, have you checked how long the Section 8 waiting list is currently to get housing aid? Try YEARS. Go to citydata forums if you think otherwise. Oh and no Long Island landlord will give Jose Illegal a place to live without a rental history unless the landlord is doing something crooked himself.
As far as the drivers insurance? Good luck with that. You need insurance to drive. Get caught without it? It's a year of a suspended license and a $1000 fine. Get caught again or without a license in general, can lead to jail time. Another silly point really.
Years for section 8? Not sure where you got that info from but I do know someone who could have been placed in a section 8 apt just recently and all she had to do was find the place and be able to afford the rent. She found a bunch of places so they are there to be found.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Hofstra26
That's life. Life isn't fair. Life isn't equal.
Yikes. Yikes to this and everything said by you in this thread. Please, understand that there are other people in this world. Have compassion, understanding, and empathy.
I do have understanding and compassion BUT I'm also practical and realistic about the world around me. Everything isn't rainbows and light and EVERYONE has some sort of struggle but it's up to the individual to make something of themselves despite whatever their circumstance. There will ALWAYS be someone better or worse off than you, someone who has more or has less, or someone who has had better opportunities in life. Sometimes you might have to work twice as hard as someone else but that's just a fact of life.
We should ALL be doing the best we can to make a good life for ourselves because you CANNOT rely on anyone but yourself. It does not make me lack compassion to make the point that life isn't fair. It just isn't. Anyone who labors under this delusion will be sadly disappointed time and time again.
With regards to the minimum wage, we can just agree to disagree because I *personally* don't believe that jobs of this nature (retail, fast food, etc) are deserving of $15/hr pay. They aren't "careers", they are what is considered in this society to be a "menial job" in which ANYONE regardless of age, education, or experience can be trained to do and because of that fact it does NOT warrant any sort of significant pay. There is a reason why someone who works at Burger King makes only a few bucks an hour and an engineer makes a six figure salary..........the more educated, skilled, and valuable you are to a company the more money you can make.
There is no sense in going back and forth on this, we clearly don't see eye to eye and that's okay. You're entitled to your opinion, I just don't really agree with it.
ETA - When I was a baby my parents had next to nothing. My dad worked FOUR jobs, SEVEN days a week and practically around the clock. That's what you HAVE to do to take care of your family, it might not be ideal but you do what you have to do to get by. And hard work usually pays off...................eventually my Dad didn't have to do that but he did what was necessary for our family to get by.
Everyone wants to live in a fluffy world where everyone gets what they want for minimal work. I live in reality too and tell you like it is also.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by afternoondelight828
Posted by ave1024
Posted by afternoondelight828
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by afternoondelight828
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Seawolf
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
You do realize $15 dollars an hour comes out to just a little over $17,000 a year if you work a 40 hour week, right? You think the base living of any person in this country should be lower then that? All, this does is makes these peoples lives a little nicer, a little more secure for their children. Why is this so offensive to you?
Are you speaking AFTER taxes? Before it is $31,200.
Our police officers only start at $41,000.
After taxes. But I'm seeing different numbers depending on family size and what not.
Here is something to read regarding how much 2 people make before and after taxes:
Joe legal works in construction, has a Social Security number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
Jose illegal also works in construction has no Social Security number and makes $15.00 per hour cash, under the table.
Ready?... now pay attention....
Joe legal: $25.00 per hour × 40 hours = $1,000.00 per week or $52,000.00 per year. Now, take 31% away for State and Federal taxes. Joe legal now has $31,231.00.
Jose illegal: $15.00 an hour × 40 hours = $600.00 per week or $31,200.00 per year. Jose illegal pays no taxes. Jose illegal now has $31,200.00.
Joe legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe legal now has $24,031.00.
Jose illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the State and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
Jose illegal receives $500.00 per month Federal rent subsidy. Jose illegal pays out that $500.00 per month or $6,000.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
Jose illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance."... and still has $31,000.00.
This argument is so ridiculous I cut most of it out and will only comment on the above incorrect points.
Joe legal is not getting 31% of fed and state taxes out making just over 30k. So not accurate. Try maybe 21% between the two (I haven't looked at the brackets lately, but it's nowhere near 31%). And you aren't even paying the 21% on the full amount.
Jose illegal is only getting emergency treatment and believe me the doctors and hospitals will come calling for money. It's not free like you think. If Jose doesn't pay, his credit is ruined if ever wants to become legal. Another point so erroneous.
In regards to the rent subsidy, have you checked how long the Section 8 waiting list is currently to get housing aid? Try YEARS. Go to citydata forums if you think otherwise. Oh and no Long Island landlord will give Jose Illegal a place to live without a rental history unless the landlord is doing something crooked himself.
As far as the drivers insurance? Good luck with that. You need insurance to drive. Get caught without it? It's a year of a suspended license and a $1000 fine. Get caught again or without a license in general, can lead to jail time. Another silly point really.
Years for section 8? Not sure where you got that info from but I do know someone who could have been placed in a section 8 apt just recently and all she had to do was find the place and be able to afford the rent. She found a bunch of places so they are there to be found.
She must have been on the section 8 list from quite some time ago then. I believe the list has been closed for a very long time now, at least in Brookhaven. I had a ton of clients a t my previous job in dire need of it, and they couldn't even get on the list.
I have a homeless family member in another state (with 2 small kids), and everyone says what about section 8 to her. List has been closed for years!
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| Posted 7/27/15 9:27 PM |
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JennP
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Seawolf
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
I couldn't disagree more. However, to directly answer your question, if you're equating hard work and education to what your salary should be, let's do the math. According to a previous poster the average salary for a CEO is 15.2 million. Assuming a 40 hour work week that is ~7300 an hour. Divide that by $15. There is NO way that any CEO is 487 times harder working and more educated than someone "just flipping burgers."
That is part of the reason why some people have their "panties in a bunch." But I guess you do too, with this new law.
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| Posted 7/28/15 1:07 AM |
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seaside
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
So many reactions here.
The Joe/Jose thing is offensive because of the broken english and stereotypes of immigrants. This obscures any point that it tries to make about anything else.
CEO's tend to be predominantly white and male. Until this and other workplace inequality changes, it's hard to say that some people in certain positions automatically deserve so much more than everyone else. If everyone who was smart and talented and hardworking could ascend like that, it'd be easier to swallow.
BUT, I still think that the man draw of fast food has to be its price, and if that goes up, there will be much less demand for it, and many fewer jobs available. People do vote with their feet. So, we'll see.
JMO.
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| Posted 7/28/15 8:05 AM |
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by afternoondelight828
Posted by ave1024
Posted by afternoondelight828
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by afternoondelight828
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Seawolf
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
You do realize $15 dollars an hour comes out to just a little over $17,000 a year if you work a 40 hour week, right? You think the base living of any person in this country should be lower then that? All, this does is makes these peoples lives a little nicer, a little more secure for their children. Why is this so offensive to you?
Are you speaking AFTER taxes? Before it is $31,200.
Our police officers only start at $41,000.
After taxes. But I'm seeing different numbers depending on family size and what not.
Here is something to read regarding how much 2 people make before and after taxes:
Joe legal works in construction, has a Social Security number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
Jose illegal also works in construction has no Social Security number and makes $15.00 per hour cash, under the table.
Ready?... now pay attention....
Joe legal: $25.00 per hour × 40 hours = $1,000.00 per week or $52,000.00 per year. Now, take 31% away for State and Federal taxes. Joe legal now has $31,231.00.
Jose illegal: $15.00 an hour × 40 hours = $600.00 per week or $31,200.00 per year. Jose illegal pays no taxes. Jose illegal now has $31,200.00.
Joe legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe legal now has $24,031.00.
Jose illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the State and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
Jose illegal receives $500.00 per month Federal rent subsidy. Jose illegal pays out that $500.00 per month or $6,000.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
Jose illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance."... and still has $31,000.00.
This argument is so ridiculous I cut most of it out and will only comment on the above incorrect points.
Joe legal is not getting 31% of fed and state taxes out making just over 30k. So not accurate. Try maybe 21% between the two (I haven't looked at the brackets lately, but it's nowhere near 31%). And you aren't even paying the 21% on the full amount.
Jose illegal is only getting emergency treatment and believe me the doctors and hospitals will come calling for money. It's not free like you think. If Jose doesn't pay, his credit is ruined if ever wants to become legal. Another point so erroneous.
In regards to the rent subsidy, have you checked how long the Section 8 waiting list is currently to get housing aid? Try YEARS. Go to citydata forums if you think otherwise. Oh and no Long Island landlord will give Jose Illegal a place to live without a rental history unless the landlord is doing something crooked himself.
As far as the drivers insurance? Good luck with that. You need insurance to drive. Get caught without it? It's a year of a suspended license and a $1000 fine. Get caught again or without a license in general, can lead to jail time. Another silly point really.
Years for section 8? Not sure where you got that info from but I do know someone who could have been placed in a section 8 apt just recently and all she had to do was find the place and be able to afford the rent. She found a bunch of places so they are there to be found.
She must have been on the section 8 list from quite some time ago then. I believe the list has been closed for a very long time now, at least in Brookhaven. I had a ton of clients a t my previous job in dire need of it, and they couldn't even get on the list.
I have a homeless family member in another state (with 2 small kids), and everyone says what about section 8 to her. List has been closed for years!
Thanks for the info. She is in Islip, not Brookhaven but has been in section 8 for many years.
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| Posted 7/28/15 9:47 AM |
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w8andsee
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
I’m frankly really surprised at how many people are against a fast food worker making $15/hour. They took the initiative to unite, they went on strike, they lobbied and campaigned for 3 years and got what they think they deserve. From all articles I’ve found so far, fast food workers are not in the union.
There are so many people in this country that will say “I don’t have xyz, why should they”. That’s the argument I hear for any job that may have a higher wage or a better benefit package. They should be saying I don’t have xyz, how do I go about getting that for myself.
Also the argument of why would my child go to college if they can make $15 hour flipping burgers. Your child should strive for more than $15 an hour and if he/she doesn’t they will soon find out that $15/hour is not enough money if you want a home, a car, a vacation here and there, spending money, etc., etc. All the jobs listed on this thread that were compared to the fast food worker are starting salaries with benefits. Eventually they will make much more. My husband works as a civil servant (one of the jobs listed on this thread). He currently is making $18/hour, however in 5 years he’ll be making $36/hour. The fast food worker at $15/hour is at the max pay. They are not getting raises or benefits.
Times have changed. Fast food workers aren’t just high school kids. They are people with families that they need to support. It’s easy to say to them, get an education. My mom is a legal immigrant with an elementary school education. She worked in factories all her life. Currently she’s retired and living off her savings and her social security. If she needed to work now, she would be looking into fast food restaurants. All of the factories she has worked in her 40 years in the US are closed. People don’t have options. You can’t pay me enough to work in a restaurant. I would only do it if I had no other choice. If you think $15 an hour is a fantastic salary for “easy work”, then you go and get a job at a fast food place to make your “easy money” and I will be more than happy as a customer to support you even if the price of my burger goes up. I will greet you with a smile and respect you for working legal job. Also if your restaurant decides to go with automated tellers, I will go out of my way to support the restaurants that have employees working.
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| Posted 7/28/15 9:50 AM |
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JennP
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by w8andsee
I’m frankly really surprised at how many people are against a fast food worker making $15/hour. They took the initiative to unite, they went on strike, they lobbied and campaigned for 3 years and got what they think they deserve. From all articles I’ve found so far, fast food workers are not in the union.
There are so many people in this country that will say “I don’t have xyz, why should they”. That’s the argument I hear for any job that may have a higher wage or a better benefit package. They should be saying I don’t have xyz, how do I go about getting that for myself.
Also the argument of why would my child go to college if they can make $15 hour flipping burgers. Your child should strive for more than $15 an hour and if he/she doesn’t they will soon find out that $15/hour is not enough money if you want a home, a car, a vacation here and there, spending money, etc., etc. All the jobs listed on this thread that were compared to the fast food worker are starting salaries with benefits. Eventually they will make much more. My husband works as a civil servant (one of the jobs listed on this thread). He currently is making $18/hour, however in 5 years he’ll be making $36/hour. The fast food worker at $15/hour is at the max pay. They are not getting raises or benefits.
Times have changed. Fast food workers aren’t just high school kids. They are people with families that they need to support. It’s easy to say to them, get an education. My mom is a legal immigrant with an elementary school education. She worked in factories all her life. Currently she’s retired and living off her savings and her social security. If she needed to work now, she would be looking into fast food restaurants. All of the factories she has worked in her 40 years in the US are closed. People don’t have options. You can’t pay me enough to work in a restaurant. I would only do it if I had no other choice. If you think $15 an hour is a fantastic salary for “easy work”, then you go and get a job at a fast food place to make your “easy money” and I will be more than happy as a customer to support you even if the price of my burger goes up. I will greet you with a smile and respect you for working legal job. Also if your restaurant decides to go with automated tellers, I will go out of my way to support the restaurants that have employees working.
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| Posted 7/28/15 9:52 AM |
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Seawolf
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Wait - $15 will be the MAX salary they can make? (one of the last posters just wrote that) - is that true? I am under the impression that it will be the "minimum" that they can make, and they could still get raises, etc? Someone please clarify.
This: He currently is making $18/hour, however in 5 years he’ll be making $36/hour. The fast food worker at $15/hour is at the max pay. They are not getting raises or benefits.
^^^ is that true, regarding the "max" pay part? It can't be, right? B/c its the MINIMUM wage for them?
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| Posted 7/28/15 10:01 AM |
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Bridex100
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Wages should be market driven, not government mandated. Almost anyone can be a fast food worker but very few people can be CEOs. If someone is willing to accept the pay for a given job, I don't think the government should interfere. We are a capitalist country.
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| Posted 7/28/15 10:03 AM |
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by Seawolf
Wait - $15 will be the MAX salary they can make? (one of the last posters just wrote that) - is that true? I am under the impression that it will be the "minimum" that they can make, and they could still get raises, etc? Someone please clarify.
I can't see that as if you are making minimum wage, you get raises too. I would like to see where it says that also.
By 2018 it would be raised in NYC and 2021 elsewhere in NY State.
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| Posted 7/28/15 10:14 AM |
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by Bridex100
Wages should be market driven, not government mandated. Almost anyone can be a fast food worker but very few people can be CEOs. If someone is willing to accept the pay for a given job, I don't think the government should interfere. We are a capitalist country.
While I agree with this concept, this theory only works if companies voluntarily will take care of its employees. However, given the rise in wage inequality and Corporate America's refusal to increase wages of its regular employees all while quadrupling CEO compensation, government regulation is inevitable. People here are griping about individuals who abuse food stamps but seem to be ignoring the fact that the largest recipient of government handouts is Corporate America! I'm really scratching my head at the free pass being given to CEOs here. 
(ETA the "scratching my head" emote-icon).
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w8andsee
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by afternoondelight828
Posted by Seawolf
Wait - $15 will be the MAX salary they can make? (one of the last posters just wrote that) - is that true? I am under the impression that it will be the "minimum" that they can make, and they could still get raises, etc? Someone please clarify.
I can't see that as if you are making minimum wage, you get raises too. I would like to see where it says that also.
By 2018 it would be raised in NYC and 2021 elsewhere in NY State.
If you read some of the articles, which I can find in you want. Typically the workers that were interviewed worked for 9+ years never got raises and the ones that did received one raise of 10 cents/hour.
Will they legally be allowed to get a raise? Yes. Will the boss give them raises? I highly doubt it.
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| Posted 7/28/15 10:21 AM |
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by JennP
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Seawolf
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
I couldn't disagree more. However, to directly answer your question, if you're equating hard work and education to what your salary should be, let's do the math. According to a previous poster the average salary for a CEO is 15.2 million. Assuming a 40 hour work week that is ~7300 an hour. Divide that by $15. There is NO way that any CEO is 487 times harder working and more educated than someone "just flipping burgers."
That is part of the reason why some people have their "panties in a bunch." But I guess you do too, with this new law.
My point was very few will EVER make it to CEO status, it takes A LOT to get there and because of that they are VERY well paid. I would expect a CEO of a million/billion dollar company to be raking in HUGE bucks. CEO status of a corporation like McDonald's???................that's a HUGE deal!! ANYONE, and I do mean anyone, can flip burgers which is why it's a job that warrants very little pay, minimum wage. I'm just not sure why anyone would expect to make a considerable living doing that type of job.
Also, I'm NOT saying that someone who has a minimum wage job isn't hard working (NOT at all) BUT it takes A LOT more education, work, skill, expertise, business sense, money sense, and more to SUCCESSFULLY run a company. NOT everyone can do that job, NOT everyone will ever come close to reaching that level of success. To dispute that fact is foolish, if it were SO easy we'd all be CEO's making a $hit ton of money. Sadly, we're not.
This is like  , it's just a topic that we all won't see eye-to-eye on which is perfectly okay.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by w8andsee
Posted by afternoondelight828
Posted by Seawolf
Wait - $15 will be the MAX salary they can make? (one of the last posters just wrote that) - is that true? I am under the impression that it will be the "minimum" that they can make, and they could still get raises, etc? Someone please clarify.
I can't see that as if you are making minimum wage, you get raises too. I would like to see where it says that also.
By 2018 it would be raised in NYC and 2021 elsewhere in NY State.
If you read some of the articles, which I can find in you want. Typically the workers that were interviewed worked for 9+ years never got raises and the ones that did received one raise of 10 cents/hour.
Will they legally be allowed to get a raise? Yes. Will the boss give them raises? I highly doubt it.
I haven't seen any of those articles. Why would they stay someplace for 9 + years without a raise?
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