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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
I just am trying to keep an open mind but people say all the time that we all work hard and long hours (and we do- globally, we are one
Of the most worked countries). People say it's a shame that some preach family values but there's few a family who can have dinner together. People ***** about stores being open on holidays. We get angry at lack of maternity and paternity leave.
But let's work non stop for shit pay and maybe 3 jobs
Which is it??
No snark intended. I just don't get it.
I think the anger is not so much with the fact that these workers are now getting that salary, but that everyone else is staying low. It's a horrible juxtaposition between industries. Should people working in McDonalds be making as much, or as will shortly be the reality, more than the people who work in a doctor's office (or as the unit clerk in the Emergency Room)? No, they should not. So raise the salaries of those in the doctors office you might say. Well, take a look at my other thread and you will see that's not so easy. I can guarantee if every doctor needed to pay every person on their payroll $15/hour MINIMUM, there would be no more private practice (which is already going to be the case, but will make the transition that much faster).
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
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I just am trying to keep an open mind but people say all the time that we all work hard and long hours (and we do- globally, we are one
Of the most worked countries). People say it's a shame that some preach family values but there's few a family who can have dinner together. People ***** about stores being open on holidays. We get angry at lack of maternity and paternity leave.
But let's work non stop for shit pay and maybe 3 jobs
Which is it??
No snark intended. I just don't get it.
THANK YOU!!! It's like people who are against abortion. They really want you to keep that child but screw you once it's out of your womb if you need help.
I'm glad someone gets my point of view. I'm sitting here in shock with some of these responses. People who don't work currently or complain non stop about their jobs here - I see that a lot on Facebook commenters. And they are entitled to do what they wish and say what they want but come on. There's a bigger picture than what you see out your own window.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
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I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
this I can agree with I don't agree with the $15 an hour they should not be getting paid that to work at Fast Food.
the real issue is about a million other things. taxes are too high. companies are constantly getting out of paying taxes through loop holes while the middle class is barely surviving and pay taxes out of their ass.
healthcare should actually be regulated the amount being charged I am sure is marked up a ton than what it actually cost!
the list can go on but the solution to poverty should not be raising a job to work at a fast food place be $15 an hour that's not going to solve anything just make things worse!
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Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
...., this is what the 1 percent wants. Us poor folk (and yeah we all are if you're not the 1 percent) fighting among one another and keeping each other down.
While They have loop holes and a set of rules that only apply to them. Must be nice.
Like the CEO who lays off much of his workforce yet still takes a bonus.
But Joe Schmoe getting $15 is a crime right
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
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I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
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Stop. Cashiers at Mcdonalds and Walmart should NOT be making the same as a teacher. Or an editor. OR a fireman. STOP. You just sound like you're chock full of white guilt.
The question is not which job is worth more. The question is that people need a living wage. Facts support that people cannot support themselves with this minimum wage. Facts support that the minimum wage we have now is costing taxpayers more money.
And teachers don't make tons of money in some areas. But they do get pensions, insurance, etc. But that's another argument.
I understand that people NEED to live, but no one should go into a job at a fast food restaurant or a supermarket as a cashier and expect for to earn career type wages - unless they work their way UP in a company.
No one is talking about "career type wages". We are talking about the minimum amount that someone needs to support themselves.
The amount needed for anyone to survive while working in Burger King would FAR exceed what any fast food worker should EVER make in that type of job. I'm sorry, life costs money. A LOT of it. And if all you are capable of doing is a minimum wage job then do what generations before did................ bust your a$$, work 2-3 jobs, and do what you need to to support your family. Don't just sit back with NO skills and whine that you should make more money for nothing. For the love of god..............putting fries into a carton does NOT warrant $15/hr. That's ridiculous.
Oh sure. Go work 2-3 jobs. Why should ANYONE be forced to do that to live? I thought as a country we are supposed to be better than your average developing nation.The lack of compassion some people have is mind blowing. And really, how does this effect you or anyone else who is against this? I'll say it again, we are SUBSIDIZING the companies and people that own these business. We as taxpayers are paying for their workers healthcare and food and what ever other public assistance because the companies are not taking care of their employees. And it's not as easy as "then go get a better paying job". Here is research the basically shows that is close to impossible.
Poverty and Low Wage Workers
NYTimes Article on Poverty and Wages
I worked 3 jobs in college that I attended FULL TIME so I could pay my rent, my car, food ETC ETC. You do what you have to do if you can do it! And guess what ... after I graduated I was so proud of myself that I did it on my own! Taught me great work ethic.
Great! Good for you! You are very lucky that not only were you able to afford tuition, you were able to afford to feed your family and pay your rent/mortgage at the same time. Most people aren't luck enough to be able to do that.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
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Stop. Cashiers at Mcdonalds and Walmart should NOT be making the same as a teacher. Or an editor. OR a fireman. STOP. You just sound like you're chock full of white guilt.
The question is not which job is worth more. The question is that people need a living wage. Facts support that people cannot support themselves with this minimum wage. Facts support that the minimum wage we have now is costing taxpayers more money.
And teachers don't make tons of money in some areas. But they do get pensions, insurance, etc. But that's another argument.
I understand that people NEED to live, but no one should go into a job at a fast food restaurant or a supermarket as a cashier and expect for to earn career type wages - unless they work their way UP in a company.
No one is talking about "career type wages". We are talking about the minimum amount that someone needs to support themselves.
The amount needed for anyone to survive while working in Burger King would FAR exceed what any fast food worker should EVER make in that type of job. I'm sorry, life costs money. A LOT of it. And if all you are capable of doing is a minimum wage job then do what generations before did................ bust your a$$, work 2-3 jobs, and do what you need to to support your family. Don't just sit back with NO skills and whine that you should make more money for nothing. For the love of god..............putting fries into a carton does NOT warrant $15/hr. That's ridiculous.
Oh sure. Go work 2-3 jobs. Why should ANYONE be forced to do that to live? I thought as a country we are supposed to be better than your average developing nation.The lack of compassion some people have is mind blowing. And really, how does this effect you or anyone else who is against this? I'll say it again, we are SUBSIDIZING the companies and people that own these business. We as taxpayers are paying for their workers healthcare and food and what ever other public assistance because the companies are not taking care of their employees. And it's not as easy as "then go get a better paying job". Here is research the basically shows that is close to impossible.
Poverty and Low Wage Workers
NYTimes Article on Poverty and Wages
Because you do what you have to in order to survive. Life isn't a freakin handout and nobody said it's easy to get by. But you do what you have to, you work as hard as you can, and you make the best life possible for yourself. It's not about being compassionate, it's being realistic. Sorry, I'm not a bleeding heart, I believe it's on YOU to take care of YOU and make it in the world. EVERYTHING I've ever had was because either I or DH worked for it, no handouts and no relying on anyone else. Why aren't we all held to that standard????
When I started working minimum wage was $4.25/hr, you couldn't live on that in AT ALL and in the 25'ish years since I started working minimum wage has gone up and guess what, you STILL can't live off it. Point is, it really doesn't matter what the minimum wage is, it's NOT meant to be a "livable wage". It's NEVER been a livable wage and if your minimum wage job isn't enough money for you to get by, work more, work longer, get another job. We all have the capacity to better ourselves in some way. Not everyone can be a CEO and make millions but we can ALL do better if we put the work in.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
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I just am trying to keep an open mind but people say all the time that we all work hard and long hours (and we do- globally, we are one
Of the most worked countries). People say it's a shame that some preach family values but there's few a family who can have dinner together. People ***** about stores being open on holidays. We get angry at lack of maternity and paternity leave.
But let's work non stop for shit pay and maybe 3 jobs
Which is it??
No snark intended. I just don't get it.
THANK YOU!!! It's like people who are against abortion. They really want you to keep that child but screw you once it's out of your womb if you need help.
I'm glad someone gets my point of view. I'm sitting here in shock with some of these responses. People who don't work currently or complain non stop about their jobs here - I see that a lot on Facebook commenters. And they are entitled to do what they wish and say what they want but come on. There's a bigger picture than what you see out your own window.
One of the BIGGER pictures is that the corporations make more money but don't pass those profits to their workers.
Isn't anyone ENRAGED that WE (yes, your tax dollars) gives Walmart tax breaks and incentives while they don't pay their workers shizz????
That McDonalds has on their website how to apply for welfare?
They have the money and CAN afford to pay their workers a decent enough wage. The choose not to.
One of the problems in this country is that these jobs were never intended to be careers (for the most part). They were intended for the young kid to have a job and make some money. Then when the kid graduated another kid was there to take his place. With Jobs hard to come by and education a privilege its no wonder a lot of people are flipping burgers for 10 years.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by Seawolf
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
You mean the people making multiple millions of dollars a year? I don't care how hard you worked to get there, that's an OBSCENE salary. (And yes, I think it's obscene for actors as well.)
"A new report by the Economic Policy Institute shows that CEO compensation at the largest corporations has ballooned by 937 percent since 1978, when adjusted for inflation. A typical worker’s compensation grew a measly 10.2 percent over the same period.
The average CEO compensation at the 350 publicly owned companies with the largest annual revenue in the U.S. last year was $15.2 million, according to the EPI, a left-leaning think tank. That’s a 21.7 percent rise since just 2010. "
Huff Post CEO Pay VS Typical MIDDLE class
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by Seawolf
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
You do realize $15 dollars an hour comes out to just a little over $17,000 a year if you work a 40 hour week, right? You think the base living of any person in this country should be lower then that? All, this does is makes these peoples lives a little nicer, a little more secure for their children. Why is this so offensive to you?
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
To tie in with the other thread:
CEO Pay Watch UnitedHealth Group Inc.
Stephen Hemsley, CEO
Total compensation: $66,125,208 for the year ended Dec. 31, 2014
Salary: $1,300,000
Non-equity incentive pay: $3,949,000
Other compensation: $107,479
Exercised stock options: $45,569,049
Value realized on vesting shares: $15,199,680
New stock options: 83,918
The top earner in our report was UnitedHealth Group chief Stephen J. Hemsley, with $102 million in total pay. Hemsley drew $3.3 million in salary and bonus, but also realized $98 million from the exercise of vested stock options.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by Seawolf
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
"A new study finds that significant numbers of people have less money available in liquid assets than what they face in the maximum deductibles and total out-of-pocket health cost limits under insurance plans.
Only three in five households have enough liquid assets to meet a deductible of either $1,200 per individual or $2,400 per family, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation study. Only about half of U.S. households had enough such assets to cover higher deductibles of $2,500 per individual or $5,500 per family.
The situation only gets worse for households when considering their exposure to total out-of-pocket costs. Just 48 percent of households have enough liquid assets to cover what were considered to be the mid-range of such out-of-pocket health cost limits: $3,000 per individual and $6,000 per family, according to the Kaiser study.
Just 37 percent can meet the higher range of such costs, or $6,000 per individual and $12,000 per family, the study found."
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by BunnyWife
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I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
You do realize $15 dollars an hour comes out to just a little over $17,000 a year if you work a 40 hour week, right? You think the base living of any person in this country should be lower then that? All, this does is makes these peoples lives a little nicer, a little more secure for their children. Why is this so offensive to you?
Are you speaking AFTER taxes? Before it is $31,200.
Our police officers only start at $41,000.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by jessnbrian
"A new study finds that significant numbers of people have less money available in liquid assets than what they face in the maximum deductibles and total out-of-pocket health cost limits under insurance plans.
Only three in five households have enough liquid assets to meet a deductible of either $1,200 per individual or $2,400 per family, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation study. Only about half of U.S. households had enough such assets to cover higher deductibles of $2,500 per individual or $5,500 per family.
The situation only gets worse for households when considering their exposure to total out-of-pocket costs. Just 48 percent of households have enough liquid assets to cover what were considered to be the mid-range of such out-of-pocket health cost limits: $3,000 per individual and $6,000 per family, according to the Kaiser study.
Just 37 percent can meet the higher range of such costs, or $6,000 per individual and $12,000 per family, the study found."
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And the CEO of United Health is making 66 million a year. Yeah. It's obviously the poor and their minimum wage we should be so up in arms about 
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by jessnbrian
"A new study finds that significant numbers of people have less money available in liquid assets than what they face in the maximum deductibles and total out-of-pocket health cost limits under insurance plans.
Only three in five households have enough liquid assets to meet a deductible of either $1,200 per individual or $2,400 per family, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation study. Only about half of U.S. households had enough such assets to cover higher deductibles of $2,500 per individual or $5,500 per family.
The situation only gets worse for households when considering their exposure to total out-of-pocket costs. Just 48 percent of households have enough liquid assets to cover what were considered to be the mid-range of such out-of-pocket health cost limits: $3,000 per individual and $6,000 per family, according to the Kaiser study.
Just 37 percent can meet the higher range of such costs, or $6,000 per individual and $12,000 per family, the study found."
Source
And the CEO of United Health is making 66 million a year. Yeah. It's obviously the poor and their minimum wage we should be so up in arms about
And there is a 15% cap on "profits", I call BULLSH*T.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
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Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by Seawolf
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
You do realize $15 dollars an hour comes out to just a little over $17,000 a year if you work a 40 hour week, right? You think the base living of any person in this country should be lower then that? All, this does is makes these peoples lives a little nicer, a little more secure for their children. Why is this so offensive to you?
Are you speaking AFTER taxes? Before it is $31,200.
Our police officers only start at $41,000.
After taxes. But I'm seeing different numbers depending on family size and what not.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by Seawolf
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
You do realize $15 dollars an hour comes out to just a little over $17,000 a year if you work a 40 hour week, right? You think the base living of any person in this country should be lower then that? All, this does is makes these peoples lives a little nicer, a little more secure for their children. Why is this so offensive to you?
Offensive??  I just don't understand how ANYONE can think $15/hr is reasonable for that type of job. It's ridiculous.
$17K/yr to flip a burger sounds about right to me. Sorry, but it does. If that salary isn't suitable to someone then do what the rest of us do.............get a better education, get a better job, work more, work harder, get a skill, make yourself more valuable.
Minimum wage should NOT exceed the hourly rate for a job that requires an actual skill, or training, or education.
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| Posted 7/27/15 3:34 PM |
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MrsB612
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Seawolf
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
You do realize $15 dollars an hour comes out to just a little over $17,000 a year if you work a 40 hour week, right? You think the base living of any person in this country should be lower then that? All, this does is makes these peoples lives a little nicer, a little more secure for their children. Why is this so offensive to you?
Your math is WAY off. $15 paid full time annually is $31k+
Same pay salary as an EMT - except they are making french fries and not saving lives.
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| Posted 7/27/15 3:35 PM |
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by afternoondelight828
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Seawolf
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
You do realize $15 dollars an hour comes out to just a little over $17,000 a year if you work a 40 hour week, right? You think the base living of any person in this country should be lower then that? All, this does is makes these peoples lives a little nicer, a little more secure for their children. Why is this so offensive to you?
Are you speaking AFTER taxes? Before it is $31,200.
Our police officers only start at $41,000.
After taxes. But I'm seeing different numbers depending on family size and what not.
Here is something to read regarding how much 2 people make before and after taxes:
Joe legal works in construction, has a Social Security number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
Jose illegal also works in construction has no Social Security number and makes $15.00 per hour cash, under the table.
Ready?... now pay attention....
Joe legal: $25.00 per hour × 40 hours = $1,000.00 per week or $52,000.00 per year. Now, take 31% away for State and Federal taxes. Joe legal now has $31,231.00.
Jose illegal: $15.00 an hour × 40 hours = $600.00 per week or $31,200.00 per year. Jose illegal pays no taxes. Jose illegal now has $31,200.00.
Joe legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe legal now has $24,031.00.
Jose illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the State and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe legal spends $500.00 per month for food or $6,000.00 per year. Joe legal now has $18,031.00.
Jose illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps, WIC and welfare. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe legal pays rent of 1,200.00 per month or $14,400.00 per year. Joe legal now has $9,631.00.
Jose illegal receives $500.00 per month Federal rent subsidy. Jose illegal pays out that $500.00 per month or $6,000.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe legal pays $200.00 per month or $2,400.00 per year for car insurance. Some of that is uninsured motorist insurance. Joe legal now has $7,231.00.
Jose illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance."... and still has $31,000.00.
Joe legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline.. etc.
Jose illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline and what he sends out of the country every month....
Joe legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
Jose illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.
Joe legal's and Jose illegal's children both attend the same elementary school.
Joe legal pays for his children's lunches while...
Jose illegal's children get a government-sponsored lunch.
Jose illegal's children have an after school ESL program.
Joe legal's children go home.
Now, when they reach college age...
Joe legal's kids may not get into a State school and may not qualify for scholarships, grants or other tuition help, even though Joe has been paying for State schools through his taxes, while...
Jose illegal's kids go to the, 'head of the class' because they are a minority.
Joe legal and Jose illegal both benefit from the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not.
Do you get it, now?
If we vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens,... we are part of the problem.
Its way PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans!
We need to keep this going -- we need to make changes ASAP!
What are you waiting for?...Pass it on!
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| Posted 7/27/15 3:37 PM |
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by MrsB612
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Seawolf
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
You do realize $15 dollars an hour comes out to just a little over $17,000 a year if you work a 40 hour week, right? You think the base living of any person in this country should be lower then that? All, this does is makes these peoples lives a little nicer, a little more secure for their children. Why is this so offensive to you?
Your math is WAY off. $15 paid full time annually is $31k+
Same pay salary as an EMT - except they are making french fries and not saving lives.
Exactly and the starting salary for a police officer is only $10,000 more a year. They put their lives at risk everyday. Someone flipping burgers is not.
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| Posted 7/27/15 3:38 PM |
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jessnbrian
Only God knows His plan for us
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Seawolf
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
You do realize $15 dollars an hour comes out to just a little over $17,000 a year if you work a 40 hour week, right? You think the base living of any person in this country should be lower then that? All, this does is makes these peoples lives a little nicer, a little more secure for their children. Why is this so offensive to you?
Offensive?? I just don't understand how ANYONE can think $15/hr is reasonable for that type of job. It's ridiculous.
$17K/yr to flip a burger sounds about right to me. Sorry, but it does. If that salary isn't suitable to someone then do what the rest of us do.............get a better education, get a better job, work more, work harder, get a skill, make yourself more valuable.
Minimum wage should NOT exceed the hourly rate for a job that requires an actual skill, or training, or education.
I agree... and I do think it's outrageous to make this increase, for FF workers. That said. I don't understand why we aren't more outraged over the fact that CEO pay has increased ONE THOUSAND PERCENT since 1978 while the average worker (ie - you and I) their salary has increased just over TEN PERCENT. That's what is outrageous. AND much of that CEO's salary (because it's in stock options, and bonuses, etc) is TAX FREE due to loopholes. And we pay, nearly 40%?
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| Posted 7/27/15 3:38 PM |
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BunnyWife
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Seawolf
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
You do realize $15 dollars an hour comes out to just a little over $17,000 a year if you work a 40 hour week, right? You think the base living of any person in this country should be lower then that? All, this does is makes these peoples lives a little nicer, a little more secure for their children. Why is this so offensive to you?
Offensive?? I just don't understand how ANYONE can think $15/hr is reasonable for that type of job. It's ridiculous.
$17K/yr to flip a burger sounds about right to me. Sorry, but it does. If that salary isn't suitable to someone then do what the rest of us do.............get a better education, get a better job, work more, work harder, get a skill, make yourself more valuable.
Minimum wage should NOT exceed the hourly rate for a job that requires an actual skill, or training, or education.
I'm going to suggest you read or re-read the the one study and the article I posted before. It's not as easy as you're making it seem. Those are the facts. Not some "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" mantra. Some people aren't luck enough to even have boots.
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| Posted 7/27/15 3:38 PM |
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klingklang77
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by BunnyWife
Oh sure. Go work 2-3 jobs. Why should ANYONE be forced to do that to live? I thought as a country we are supposed to be better than your average developing nation.The lack of compassion some people have is mind blowing. And really, how does this effect you or anyone else who is against this? I'll say it again, we are SUBSIDIZING the companies and people that own these business. We as taxpayers are paying for their workers healthcare and food and what ever other public assistance because the companies are not taking care of their employees. And it's not as easy as "then go get a better paying job". Here is research the basically shows that is close to impossible.
Poverty and Low Wage Workers
NYTimes Article on Poverty and Wages
I'm just doing the math now.
15$ an hour x 40 hours is 600$ a week--so let's say $600 x 4 weeks that's $2,400 a month before taxes. That's $28,800 a year. Before taxes and SS. Before insurance and vacation time (if that's even offered). I have no idea what the tax threshold is in the US.
Let's say it's $20,000 after taxes and insurance. How can a single mother with one kid live off of that alone? According to an article it costs $12,000 a year to raise a child (I think this figure is off, but whatever). So that leaves $8,000 for food, rent, clothing, transport, etc.
That's a tight squeeze and that mother could probably do it with one child. But not 2. She sure won't be able to save for college for them and then the cycle starts again.
Please don't throw in anecdotal evidence here.
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| Posted 7/27/15 3:39 PM |
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BunnyWife
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by afternoondelight828
Posted by MrsB612
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Seawolf
I work 3 jobs. You do what you have to do.
I'm very sorry. It's not right and you shouldn't have to work three jobs to support yourself. For the supposed "Greatest Country in the World" we certainly do a ****** job of taking care of our citizens.
I wish there was a 5 page thread on this site with people up in arms about income inequality. That's the real issue here. The the CEO of McDonalds will still be beyond wealthy even if has to pay his workers 15 bucks an hour.
I will NEVER understand getting angry at what a CEO makes. Do you have even the slightest clue the amount of work it takes to even get to that level??? The sacrifices one has to make along the way to even be in that position??? CEO, presidents of companies, top level executives make a $hit ton of money but they have EARNED it and honestly, I don't begrudge them those salaries. It pays to be at the top and not everyone will even come close to making it that far in their careers. If you reach that level it's pretty impressive and you should be compensated well, that level of success is seen by only a select few.
Just not sure why people get their panties in a knot over people who have clearly educated themselves and worked hard to make the money they do. I don't care that the Wal-Mart president is a millionaire, it STILL doesn't mean that a cashier with a HS education and no skills should make more then minimum wage. What is wrong in this world??? There is a reason why it pays to go to college, or become specialized or an expert in your field, or have a career over just a "job". I feel like the generations before us had a work ethic, now everyone just wants a handout.
You do realize $15 dollars an hour comes out to just a little over $17,000 a year if you work a 40 hour week, right? You think the base living of any person in this country should be lower then that? All, this does is makes these peoples lives a little nicer, a little more secure for their children. Why is this so offensive to you?
Your math is WAY off. $15 paid full time annually is $31k+
Same pay salary as an EMT - except they are making french fries and not saving lives.
Exactly and the starting salary for a police officer is only $10,000 more a year. They put their lives at risk everyday. Someone flipping burgers is not.
That is after taxes for one person and I agree EMS/Cops/Fireman are ridiculously underpaid for their jobs.
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| Posted 7/27/15 3:41 PM |
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