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KarenK122
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Season 2 of The Affair
Loved Loved Loved the Finale. I can't believe it was all 3 of them. Great plot twist. I also don't think that Noah would have said guilty. It was so uncharacteristic of him. Maybe that was just Allison's thought and he really didn't. Can't wait for next season!
I also have no idea why Helen was there. The last I remember is that she was not talking to her mother and she threw her out of the house.
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
Holy shiit it was SO GOOD! Loved finale and cliff hanger!
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| Posted 12/21/15 9:24 AM |
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ready2go
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
Posted by KarenK122
I also have no idea why Helen was there. The last I remember is that she was not talking to her mother and she threw her out of the house.
Good point.
I keep wondering about Helen. I need to rewatch the scene when she ran Scotty over. When Noah later tells Alison on the dance floor at the end that Helen thinks she hit a deer, is he covering for Helen? So Helen is paying for the lawyer for Noah bc she knows it was her and not him? I can't figure out if Helen is totally clear on what happened, especially bc she was drunk.
ETA- I watched the scene again... It was completely obvious to Helen that is wasn't a deer. Noah even yelled that it wasn't!
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| Posted 12/21/15 10:11 AM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
Posted by ready2go
Posted by KarenK122
I also have no idea why Helen was there. The last I remember is that she was not talking to her mother and she threw her out of the house.
Good point.
I keep wondering about Helen. I need to rewatch the scene when she ran Scotty over. When Noah later tells Alison on the dance floor at the end that Helen thinks she hit a deer, is he covering for Helen? So Helen is paying for the lawyer for Noah bc she knows it was her and not him? I can't figure out if Helen is totally clear on what happened, especially bc she was drunk.
I think Noah was just giving Allison the story they are going to stick to in order to get the car repaired. Both Helen and Allison know FULL WELL that it wasn't a deer and that Helen hit someone, of course someone being Scotty. Helen knew when Noah dropped her off that they killed someone (which is why she was freaked out) and obviously Helen HAS to know she killed someone since Noah is on trial and she's paying for all of the legal fees.
All three KNOW what happened that night, the ONLY thing that wasn't 100% for sure was if Helen ever found out that Allison was there, in the bushes, and pushed Scotty. They didn't let on if Helen knew that, she certainly didn't know that night but Noah may have told her after the fact.
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| Posted 12/21/15 10:24 AM |
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JennP
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
Posted by ready2go
Posted by KarenK122
I also have no idea why Helen was there. The last I remember is that she was not talking to her mother and she threw her out of the house.
Good point.
I keep wondering about Helen. I need to rewatch the scene when she ran Scotty over. When Noah later tells Alison on the dance floor at the end that Helen thinks she hit a deer, is he covering for Helen? So Helen is paying for the lawyer for Noah bc she knows it was her and not him? I can't figure out if Helen is totally clear on what happened, especially bc she was drunk.
I believe Helen knows what happened because she seemed like she wasn't all that drunk.
She took a long glance at Noah and then bam.
Anyone, even sober, takes their eyes off the road in that fog and it's easy to hit someone.
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| Posted 12/21/15 10:27 AM |
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JennP
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
Posted by Hofstra26
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I loved the episode and was on the edge of my seat and all but I am bothered by two things:
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Noah standing up and shouting "I'm guilty!" is COMPLETELY out of line with his character. A major underpinning of the show's plotline, especially this season, is Noah's selfishness. To believe that he would then do what is probably the most selfLESS thing a human could do - take a murder rap for someone else - is really hard to swallow.
The Noah we've seen would've let Jeffries take the stand, especially because I'm not sure Alison would've been in danger of prosecution anyway. The only piece of evidence against her is circumstantial - someone could have easily planted the rock there - and the motive is thin because Noah already knew he wasn't Joanie's father (or doubted he was, depending on who you believe.) I am not sure the prosecution could have made a case against her but I'm also not an expert - any criminal lawyers reading?
Also, what the FLUCK was Helen doing at that wedding? To think that she would go to the wedding of the ex husband of the woman her husband left her for as her cut off mother's date three hours from her home is ludicrous. I know they have to stretch it sometimes to accommodate the plot but that's just silly.
They did show him conflicted though about pinning it on Helen or Allison. And I agree, he was really selfish for most of the season but I think he changed A LOT in that year or so after he almost cheated on Allison and saw his DD in the hot tub. There was a noticeable change in his character after those events. He was less self involved, more family oriented, he was more understanding and supportive of what Allison wanted (especially when she got into business with Cole), and he was getting along a lot better with Helen too. I don't think it's out of left field to think he would've thrown himself under the bus to save the women he loved/loves. How could he have chosen?
As for Helen, part of me isn't surprised she would go to the wedding. She has come a long way on the show since their marriage fell apart. Her and Noah had been spending more time together, getting along well, she's been paying all of his legal fees to help get him off, and they did make it clear that even though she was happy with the doctor that she still has feelings for Noah. It was pretty obvious all season she still had a thing for him so I'm sure when her mom asked her to accompany her to the wedding she saw it as an opportunity to see Noah and maybe spend some time with him.
I really LOVED the finale. So, so good...........and I love that we finally know what happened to Scotty and who did it. It was an excellent episode and I am going to have a hard time waiting until Season 3!!!!
True, he did change to an extent, and I agree that his flexibility with Alison and the restaurant does show a different side of him. However, they did plenty to show he was still a selfish a hole (the therapy scene put that on full display.)
Plus I think what he did was a stretch for even a less morally challenged human being, especially since, like I said, I still don't think Alison was truly in jeopardy. Noah was on trial, not Alison, and I think the prosecution would have been fighting an uphill battle going after her. So the whole "Noah has to choose" seems majorly overdramatized to me. Yes, he had to protect Helen because she was the one who ultimately killed Scotty. But Alison, eh.
And Helen? I don't know, they have four kids together, I would think they have enough opportunities to see each other.
I am probably nitpicking too much, though. I need to allow for more poetic license I guess.
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| Posted 12/21/15 10:35 AM |
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ready2go
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by ready2go
Posted by KarenK122
I also have no idea why Helen was there. The last I remember is that she was not talking to her mother and she threw her out of the house.
Good point.
I keep wondering about Helen. I need to rewatch the scene when she ran Scotty over. When Noah later tells Alison on the dance floor at the end that Helen thinks she hit a deer, is he covering for Helen? So Helen is paying for the lawyer for Noah bc she knows it was her and not him? I can't figure out if Helen is totally clear on what happened, especially bc she was drunk.
I think Noah was just giving Allison the story they are going to stick to in order to get the car repaired. Both Helen and Allison know FULL WELL that it wasn't a deer and that Helen hit someone, of course someone being Scotty. Helen knew when Noah dropped her off that they killed someone (which is why she was freaked out) and obviously Helen HAS to know she killed someone since Noah is on trial and she's paying for all of the legal fees.
All three KNOW what happened that night, the ONLY thing that wasn't 100% for sure was if Helen ever found out that Allison was there, in the bushes, and pushed Scotty. They didn't let on if Helen knew that, she certainly didn't know that night but Noah may have told her after the fact.
Yeah, this sounds right to me.
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| Posted 12/21/15 10:48 AM |
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JennP
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by ready2go
Posted by KarenK122
I also have no idea why Helen was there. The last I remember is that she was not talking to her mother and she threw her out of the house.
Good point.
I keep wondering about Helen. I need to rewatch the scene when she ran Scotty over. When Noah later tells Alison on the dance floor at the end that Helen thinks she hit a deer, is he covering for Helen? So Helen is paying for the lawyer for Noah bc she knows it was her and not him? I can't figure out if Helen is totally clear on what happened, especially bc she was drunk.
I think Noah was just giving Allison the story they are going to stick to in order to get the car repaired. Both Helen and Allison know FULL WELL that it wasn't a deer and that Helen hit someone, of course someone being Scotty. Helen knew when Noah dropped her off that they killed someone (which is why she was freaked out) and obviously Helen HAS to know she killed someone since Noah is on trial and she's paying for all of the legal fees.
All three KNOW what happened that night, the ONLY thing that wasn't 100% for sure was if Helen ever found out that Allison was there, in the bushes, and pushed Scotty. They didn't let on if Helen knew that, she certainly didn't know that night but Noah may have told her after the fact.
This was also my understanding, and I wonder if Season 3 will be about how the three of them have something of a pact - possibly made explicit although probably just understood.
They are all guilty of leaving the scene of a fatal accident so they all have something to lose.
However, Helen at some point probably realizes she has nothing to lose by trying to get Alison to go down for the crime, hence the pacifier move - exposing the paternity issue could give Alison a motive. Plus she could possibly get Noah back to boot.
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| Posted 12/21/15 10:52 AM |
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
Posted by JennP
I loved the episode and was on the edge of my seat and all but I am bothered by two things:
SPOILERS
Noah standing up and shouting "I'm guilty!" is COMPLETELY out of line with his character. A major underpinning of the show's plotline, especially this season, is Noah's selfishness. To believe that he would then do what is probably the most selfLESS thing a human could do - take a murder rap for someone else - is really hard to swallow.
The Noah we've seen would've let Jeffries take the stand, especially because I'm not sure Alison would've been in danger of prosecution anyway. The only piece of evidence against her is circumstantial - someone could have easily planted the rock there - and the motive is thin because Noah already knew he wasn't Joanie's father (or doubted he was, depending on who you believe.) I am not sure the prosecution could have made a case against her but I'm also not an expert - any criminal lawyers reading?
Also, what the FLUCK was Helen doing at that wedding? To think that she would go to the wedding of the ex husband of the woman her husband left her for as her cut off mother's date three hours from her home is ludicrous. I know they have to stretch it sometimes to accommodate the plot but that's just silly.
i agree so much with all of this
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| Posted 12/21/15 11:04 AM |
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Smileyd17
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
As For Helen knowing about Allison, part of me says YES. Why?
She gave the lawyer the babys pacifier. Hmmmmmmmmmm. She was trying to pin it on her.
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| Posted 12/21/15 11:49 AM |
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
Posted by Smileyd17
As For Helen knowing about Allison, part of me says YES. Why?
She gave the lawyer the babys pacifier. Hmmmmmmmmmm. She was trying to pin it on her.
I think Helen wants Noah back and IS willing to punish Alison for it, however, with the pacifier -- I think she was just trying to help. She probably doesn't know that Noah already knew...
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| Posted 12/21/15 12:00 PM |
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Blazesyth
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
Posted by JennP
Also, what the FLUCK was Helen doing at that wedding? To think that she would go to the wedding of the ex husband of the woman her husband left her for as her cut off mother's date three hours from her home is ludicrous. I know they have to stretch it sometimes to accommodate the plot but that's just silly.
Don't forget that the brides mother also worked at Helen's mother's house. So, for all we know she could be very close to the housekeeper and daughter.
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| Posted 12/21/15 12:31 PM |
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JennP
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
Posted by Blazesyth
Posted by JennP
Also, what the FLUCK was Helen doing at that wedding? To think that she would go to the wedding of the ex husband of the woman her husband left her for as her cut off mother's date three hours from her home is ludicrous. I know they have to stretch it sometimes to accommodate the plot but that's just silly.
Don't forget that the brides mother also worked at Helen's mother's house. So, for all we know she could be very close to the housekeeper and daughter.
Oh, I totally see why Helen's mother went. Her place there would make sense even if she didn't pay for the whole thing.
I just think Helen going as her date is a stretch after everything that happened.
But that is just me nitpicking the plotline - she was there, so there is obviously A reason for it. I also understand that they had to get her at the scene somehow.
ETA I just realized you meant maybe Helen herself was close to the family, maybe from growing up with them. We as the viewers haven't seen that because it's background and not relevant. Good point, and it makes it a little more palatable if Helen felt some sort of social obligation.
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| Posted 12/21/15 12:50 PM |
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
SO good!!! I had a sneaking suspicion Helen was the one who killed Scotty because she was going all out to protect Noah, paying for the lawyer, etc. But then I'd tell myself, ehh maybe not because why would she be in Montauk/at Cole's wedding?? I love that all 3 of them are somehow involved but I don't like that Noah yelled out he's guilty. I don't want to wait for season 3!!
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| Posted 12/21/15 5:51 PM |
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shadows
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Season 2 of The Affair
I loved everything EXCEPT the "I'm guilty!" At the end. That just seemed too Hollywood for me, too dramatic. Cane believe we have to wait another nine long months for season three!!
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| Posted 12/21/15 8:38 PM |
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JDubs
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
Wow what a twist, can't wait to see what happens!
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| Posted 12/22/15 8:43 AM |
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
Posted by JennP
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by ready2go
Posted by KarenK122
I also have no idea why Helen was there. The last I remember is that she was not talking to her mother and she threw her out of the house.
Good point.
I keep wondering about Helen. I need to rewatch the scene when she ran Scotty over. When Noah later tells Alison on the dance floor at the end that Helen thinks she hit a deer, is he covering for Helen? So Helen is paying for the lawyer for Noah bc she knows it was her and not him? I can't figure out if Helen is totally clear on what happened, especially bc she was drunk.
I think Noah was just giving Allison the story they are going to stick to in order to get the car repaired. Both Helen and Allison know FULL WELL that it wasn't a deer and that Helen hit someone, of course someone being Scotty. Helen knew when Noah dropped her off that they killed someone (which is why she was freaked out) and obviously Helen HAS to know she killed someone since Noah is on trial and she's paying for all of the legal fees.
All three KNOW what happened that night, the ONLY thing that wasn't 100% for sure was if Helen ever found out that Allison was there, in the bushes, and pushed Scotty. They didn't let on if Helen knew that, she certainly didn't know that night but Noah may have told her after the fact.
This was also my understanding, and I wonder if Season 3 will be about how the three of them have something of a pact - possibly made explicit although probably just understood.
They are all guilty of leaving the scene of a fatal accident so they all have something to lose.
However, Helen at some point probably realizes she has nothing to lose by trying to get Alison to go down for the crime, hence the pacifier move - exposing the paternity issue could give Alison a motive. Plus she could possibly get Noah back to boot.
I don't think that Helen knows Allyson was there.
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
The only thing that confuses me is I thought Helen and her Mom no longer spoke to each other??
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Hofstra26
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
Posted by tann22
The only thing that confuses me is I thought Helen and her Mom no longer spoke to each other??
They had a fight but in the timeline that was months before the wedding so I can only assume they reconciled.
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| Posted 12/22/15 11:24 AM |
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Smileyd17
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
Posted by tann22
The only thing that confuses me is I thought Helen and her Mom no longer spoke to each other??
that was right after divorce. this is 3 yrs later so anything could of happen in between and we also see a very different mother.
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| Posted 12/22/15 11:25 AM |
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Season 2 of The Affair
This episode was amazing, what a didn't expect that!!! I can't believe we have to wait to long for the next season to start.
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| Posted 12/22/15 1:53 PM |
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babyfever24
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
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I loved everything EXCEPT the "I'm guilty!" At the end. That just seemed too Hollywood for me, too dramatic. Cane believe we have to wait another nine long months for season three!!
this exactly!!!
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| Posted 12/22/15 7:08 PM |
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Season 2 of The Affair
I feel like if the truth ever came out, Helen would be the most at fault, since she was driving. Allison only pushed Scotty to protect herself from him in the moment, not intentionally to keep him quiet. Or at least that's what her version of the story has us believe. I wonder if it's possible he wasn't trying to rape her and really did push him intentionally, not realizing it was Noah 's car coming down the road.
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| Posted 12/23/15 8:15 AM |
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
Posted by LiveItUp
I feel like if the truth ever came out, Helen would be the most at fault, since she was driving. Allison only pushed Scotty to protect herself from him in the moment, not intentionally to keep him quiet. Or at least that's what her version of the story has us believe. I wonder if it's possible he wasn't trying to rape her and really did push him intentionally, not realizing it was Noah 's car coming down the road.
I don't know.... That is like a deer jumping out in front of your car, if you are driving and someone is pushed or jumps in front of your car it would be very hard to prevent hitting it/them. Helen would be at fault if she took a breathalyzer on the scene and they realized she was over the limit, but since there is no proof she was drinking, then I don't see anyone really being at fault, even Allison since it was self defense. But in Allisons case, it comes down to the truth, she would be the only one who knows he was trying to rape her, so who knows if her story would hold up in court.
I don't think Helen knew Allison was there, if she did, I don't see why she wouldn't reveal it so Noah gets off, and there is no way to pin it on her.
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Re: Season 2 of The Affair
I have a question - flash back to I think last season (I've binge watched both seasons), when the trial was first starting and Helen hired her family's lawyer - when Allison saw this she was furious.
I'm sure she isn't the most fond of Helen, but why the anger and not wanting "her" lawyer to be Noah's and for Helen to be paying for it?
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