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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
I stand by what I have said and I don't really see the need to justify my position any further (it's pointless) or even defend the silly remarks that I lack compassion. Attacking someone's character is childish. This isn't elementary school, grow up. You may not agree with what I have to say but to question my character as a person is not only obnoxious but out of line.
It's always the same cr@p on this board, different day. People get overly offended by EVERYTHING and god forbid someone should have a difference of opinion on ANY thread............it's war. It happens constantly on here. You don't have to agree with everything you read, I surely do not, but I do draw the line at being outright obnoxious to fellow posters. But I am not surprised, it's usually the same few who think they know everything and are always right.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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Jess. thats not what NO FAULT insurance is.
really, from a billing standpoint, that is how it was understood. not sure if from an insurance perspective it's different.
I was under the impression that it was insurance for people injured in car accidents when no one is "at fault" that covered injury???? I'd love to learn if that is not the case.
its paid for by the policyholder of the vehicle you are in. It's not something we "all contribute to" and "pull out from" kwim? And it does NOTHING to deter law suits.. it actually has increased law suits through subrogation. But this has no bearing on the post topic.. hahah sorry.
sorry I meant "we all" as policyholders...like "we all" as insurance holders like "we all" as payers into Medicare!
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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Jess. thats not what NO FAULT insurance is.
really, from a billing standpoint, that is how it was understood. not sure if from an insurance perspective it's different.
I was under the impression that it was insurance for people injured in car accidents when no one is "at fault" that covered injury???? I'd love to learn if that is not the case.
its paid for by the policyholder of the vehicle you are in. It's not something we "all contribute to" and "pull out from" kwim? And it does NOTHING to deter law suits.. it actually has increased law suits through subrogation. But this has no bearing on the post topic.. hahah sorry.
sorry I meant "we all" as policyholders...like "we all" as insurance holders like "we all" as payers into Medicare!
I thought Hofstra was saying that if you dont have a policy you dont get the benefits...that's technically true..if the car doesn't have insurance...you dont' get NO fault Benefits..kwim.. (totally not defending her.. just clarifing!0 
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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Jess. thats not what NO FAULT insurance is.
really, from a billing standpoint, that is how it was understood. not sure if from an insurance perspective it's different.
I was under the impression that it was insurance for people injured in car accidents when no one is "at fault" that covered injury???? I'd love to learn if that is not the case.
its paid for by the policyholder of the vehicle you are in. It's not something we "all contribute to" and "pull out from" kwim? And it does NOTHING to deter law suits.. it actually has increased law suits through subrogation. But this has no bearing on the post topic.. hahah sorry.
sorry I meant "we all" as policyholders...like "we all" as insurance holders like "we all" as payers into Medicare!
I thought Hofstra was saying that if you dont have a policy you dont get the benefits...that's technically true..if the car doesn't have insurance...you dont' get NO fault Benefits..kwim.. (totally not defending her.. just clarifing!0
really Lin, I know for a fact we billed No Fault for an accident victim even if both cars were not insured. and I know we were paid. that's odd. or maybe not. I haven't worked in medical billing in a few years. but anyway, if I was muddy, I appreciate the clarity!!  I don't mind being wrong if I am wrong.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by Hofstra26
I stand by what I have said and I don't really see the need to justify my position any further (it's pointless) or even defend the silly remarks that I lack compassion. Attacking someone's character is childish. This isn't elementary school, grow up. You may not agree with what I have to say but to question my character as a person is not only obnoxious but out of line.
It's always the same cr@p on this board, different day. People get overly offended by EVERYTHING and god forbid someone should have a difference of opinion on ANY thread............it's war. It happens constantly on here. You don't have to agree with everything you read, I surely do not, but I do draw the line at being outright obnoxious to fellow posters. But I am not surprised, it's usually the same few who think they know everything and are always right.
Not everyone is going to have the same opinion, its the nature of a discussion
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by Hofstra26
We're not on the same page because to me health coverage is not a "right". Health coverage is a BENEFIT. It's part of a BENEFITS package through whoever you work for. Your employer pays into these benefits. As an employee you pay into these benefits. As an employee you pay even more into these benefits to cover your children, spouse, etc. On top of that when it comes time to claim these medical benefits you have to make co-pays, pay thousands in deductibles, meet coinsurance requirements that amount to even more thousands. It's a fortune out of pocket to have health benefits.
Yeah, so can you just imagine how expensive it is for someone LIKE ME who works full time, yet doesn't have health insurance because by law, I make too much for "Healthy NY" yet the organization I work for doesn't employ enough employees to all us to enroll in a group HMO?
I'm sure you can't.
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And I may be "jobless" but I don't consider my DH's money HIS money. He works to provide for OUR family. It's OUR money. And we use OUR money to pay into OUR health benefits.
Ha! I'm sure he feels that way too, especially when he's stuck in some bullpoop meeting, or stuck on a train or in traffic during his commute. Yeah, I'm SURE he's thinking it sucks for the BOTH of you. Don't kid yourself, it's HIS money, HIS salary. You're just LUCKY he's sharing it with you.
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So what I do NOT understand is how anyone expects to provide health coverage to the thousands or even millions of people out there with no ability to pay into the insurance to begin with. Who pays for that?? Who absorbs that cost??
This is where having the big corporations, and banks, you know, the ones "too big to fail" actually PAY TAXES like the rest of us would come into play. The more money generated by taxes, the more money there is to go into the system.
Posted by Hofstra26
I don't see how health insurance is different than an other form of insurance.
If you get in a car accident and you don't pay to be insured and have coverage, you don't get any benefits when you smack up your car.
When you die, if you didn't pay into a life insurance policy your family doesn't get anything.
If you're sick and don't have health coverage it's not that you can't necessarily be treated, it will just cost you and arm and a leg.
Because you don't NEED life insurance or car insurance to live. People can take PT and life insurance isn't needed to pay for a funeral. But without health insurance, BASIC health care is SO out of reach because the costs are ASTRONOMICAL.
Posted by Hofstra26
My point is that health insurance, like any insurance, is a benefit that is paid into and to just say that EVERYONE should have health coverage means that someone has to absorb that cost. I'm not saying that I am against my taxes being used to help others but let's be realistic for a moment. That drug addict on the street..........unless he has a STRONG support system when he comes out of rehab statistics show he will be right back there so now who absorbs that cost for him to go in and out of rehab constantly? What about the women who get pregnant over and over and over again. Who is paying to deliver those babies and care for those kids when they are sick? Who is absorbing this cost? These astronomical costs!!
To cover EVERYONE means society as a whole will have to pay MORE in taxes, it means the health insurance companies will bill things at an even HIGHER rate to offset the costs which of course means those paying into insurance will have even higher premiums, co-pays, deductibles, and coinsurance.
Tax revenue from the companies that currently don't contribute to the system. If they start to contribute, it eases the burden for everyone.
Posted by Hofstra26
I'm sorry if some of you don't agree. Just because my view differs does not mean I'm selfish, self centered, clueless, or inhumane. This has NOTHING to do with personal character or even a lack of compassion. I'm looking at the healthcare system, which by NO means am I an expert on, from a purely LOGICAL, FINANCIAL standpoint. And logically, I simply don't see how we as a country can offer health benefits to EVERYONE regardless of circumstance when healthcare costs are outrageous on EVERY level. If it can be done somehow then wonderful. That's great! I just don't see it logically happening because at the end of the day even though you're all preaching to me from high up on your soap box nobody really wants to (or can even afford) to be taxed anymore then they already are.
And if there was an easy answer or any easy solution there wouldn't be the healthcare debate that exists today in this country. Clearly, it's easier said then done.
Sorry if I offended anyone but I am not afraid to speak my mind even if it's not the popular opinion. I don't think anything I said was so awful. I was speaking practically about a situation that has no easy answers or solutions. The rest of you should really stop pretending like our healthcare system is something that is so simple to fix.
No one is saying it's an easy problem to fix, I don't recall ANYONE saying it ever was. However, to just sit there and "logically" look at the problem and deem there's no solution but to have a "not my problem" attitude isn't helping the situation either.
Be thankful it isn't your problem, but is it too much to ask or suggest that you TRY and see it from the other side?
How is it that you just don't feel the people of this country deserve some kind of basic healthcare? Do you realize that those without can be just as big of a financial drain on the system? Has your logical view thought of that? Who pays for the person who walks in the ER without insurance? YOU. The tax payer.
So here's a logical thought. Maybe if the people started to think about HOW to change the situation rather than thinking "it's not my problem, I have health insurance" and started giving a poo about people we could find a solution to the problem.
Maybe I'm just being TOO logical.
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I would gladly pay a much higher tax rate if it meant that everyone could have access to QUALITY FOOD (actually tested with a federal agency that has power to shut down plants when they produce food that KILLS people), HEALTH CARE and SAFE HOUSING.
GLADLY. In a HEARTBEAT.
I am lucky that I have a roof over my head, I have health insurance, and I could shop at Whole Foods if I wanted to I guess without too much sacrifice. If they raised my taxes significantly I'd probably have to sacrifice some other comforts but I am telling you I would do it GLADLY. I would HAPPILY pay my share, not to finance another war, but to make sure that we take care of others in this country, to make sure that everyone has a chance at a basic standard of living.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by Hofstra26
I stand by what I have said and I don't really see the need to justify my position any further (it's pointless) or even defend the silly remarks that I lack compassion. Attacking someone's character is childish. This isn't elementary school, grow up. You may not agree with what I have to say but to question my character as a person is not only obnoxious but out of line.
It's always the same cr@p on this board, different day. People get overly offended by EVERYTHING and god forbid someone should have a difference of opinion on ANY thread............it's war. It happens constantly on here. You don't have to agree with everything you read, I surely do not, but I do draw the line at being outright obnoxious to fellow posters. But I am not surprised, it's usually the same few who think they know everything and are always right.
thinking that Jews should be exterminated and blacks should sit on the end of the bus is also an opinion.
so, as you can see, people can have ****** opinions.
people can also make remarks on their facebooks statuses about wanting to cause bodily harm to people when they don't agree...but I am sure that is the mark of maturity. 
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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I would gladly pay a much higher tax rate if it meant that everyone could have access to QUALITY FOOD (actually tested with a federal agency that has power to shut down plants when they produce food that KILLS people), HEALTH CARE and SAFE HOUSING.
GLADLY. In a HEARTBEAT.
I am lucky that I have a roof over my head, I have health insurance, and I could shop at Whole Foods if I wanted to I guess without too much sacrifice. If they raised my taxes significantly I'd probably have to sacrifice some other comforts but I am telling you I would do it GLADLY. I would HAPPILY pay my share, not to finance another war, but to make sure that we take care of others in this country, to make sure that everyone has a chance at a basic standard of living.
Same here...DH and I both think this...and we also pay for our benefits  Just because we're doing well doesn't mean we also don't think about those in need...I wish others would do the same!
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by Hofstra26
We're not on the same page because to me health coverage is not a "right". Health coverage is a BENEFIT. It's part of a BENEFITS package through whoever you work for. Your employer pays into these benefits. As an employee you pay into these benefits. As an employee you pay even more into these benefits to cover your children, spouse, etc. On top of that when it comes time to claim these medical benefits you have to make co-pays, pay thousands in deductibles, meet coinsurance requirements that amount to even more thousands. It's a fortune out of pocket to have health benefits.
And I may be "jobless" but I don't consider my DH's money HIS money. He works to provide for OUR family. It's OUR money. And we use OUR money to pay into OUR health benefits.
So what I do NOT understand is how anyone expects to provide health coverage to the thousands or even millions of people out there with no ability to pay into the insurance to begin with. Who pays for that?? Who absorbs that cost??
I don't see how health insurance is different than an other form of insurance.
If you get in a car accident and you don't pay to be insured and have coverage, you don't get any benefits when you smack up your car.
When you die, if you didn't pay into a life insurance policy your family doesn't get anything.
If you're sick and don't have health coverage it's not that you can't necessarily be treated, it will just cost you and arm and a leg.
My point is that health insurance, like any insurance, is a benefit that is paid into and to just say that EVERYONE should have health coverage means that someone has to absorb that cost. I'm not saying that I am against my taxes being used to help others but let's be realistic for a moment. That drug addict on the street..........unless he has a STRONG support system when he comes out of rehab statistics show he will be right back there so now who absorbs that cost for him to go in and out of rehab constantly? What about the women who get pregnant over and over and over again. Who is paying to deliver those babies and care for those kids when they are sick? Who is absorbing this cost? These astronomical costs!!
To cover EVERYONE means society as a whole will have to pay MORE in taxes, it means the health insurance companies will bill things at an even HIGHER rate to offset the costs which of course means those paying into insurance will have even higher premiums, co-pays, deductibles, and coinsurance.
I'm sorry if some of you don't agree. Just because my view differs does not mean I'm selfish, self centered, clueless, or inhumane. This has NOTHING to do with personal character or even a lack of compassion. I'm looking at the healthcare system, which by NO means am I an expert on, from a purely LOGICAL, FINANCIAL standpoint. And logically, I simply don't see how we as a country can offer health benefits to EVERYONE regardless of circumstance when healthcare costs are outrageous on EVERY level. If it can be done somehow then wonderful. That's great! I just don't see it logically happening because at the end of the day even though you're all preaching to me from high up on your soap box nobody really wants to (or can even afford) to be taxed anymore then they already are.
And if there was an easy answer or any easy solution there wouldn't be the healthcare debate that exists today in this country. Clearly, it's easier said then done.
Sorry if I offended anyone but I am not afraid to speak my mind even if it's not the popular opinion. I don't think anything I said was so awful. I was speaking practically about a situation that has no easy answers or solutions. The rest of you should really stop pretending like our healthcare system is something that is so simple to fix.
There's so much that's factually incorrect here but I'll focus on the bolded part for now... frankly you are, in fact, saying you're against your tax money being used to help others.
I caution you to think it through, this idea that universal healthcare is a "benefit" to the working class only. There are children in Haiti taking DEWORMING PILLS. DEWORMING. CHILDREN. The pills cost PENNIES and keep them parasite-free for 6 months. It can't happen here right? Because we are a first world country, RIIIIIIIIGHT????? And if it did happen, well, their parents should have thought of that and made sure they had insurance RIIIIIIGHT???
Next let's take the case of the drug addict - recovered or not. Still human but anyway... Most recovery professionals will cite the 10% statistic - meaning 10% of the general population suffer from some kind of substance addiction (so roughly 30 million at any given time). Granted that includes everything from the homeless street guy to the immaculately groomed suburban soccer mom with a daily jones for oxycontin.
And well unlike deworming kids, addiction is not simply a matter of medicine + money + distribution to solve.
Still though, the recovery rate hovers around 5% more or less. So each year there are say 1.5 million folks who achieve "recovery" as defined by the AMA (and more importantly, the addict him/herself). You can search the world over but you will not find a harder worker or a more standup citizen than a RECOVERED addict. I know this.
Your tax money has ALREADY GONE to multiple Wall Street CEOs. DIRECTLY. IN THEIR BIG POCKETS. You have either knowingly and happily or unwittingly and miserably allowed them to BUY politicians, BUY healthcare for their nearest and dearest and/or BUY a frigging island in the Caribbean. And it will not stop. WILL.NOT.STOP. now that the precedent has been set. They will amass more and more, they will hold you and your taxes hostage claiming all kinds of doomsday scenarios if they are allowed to go down. They will depend on public fear, ambivalence, and outright disinformation campaigns to keep sucking from the public teet as long as they live.
Who sounds like an addict now?
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
I have mixed feelings about some of the OWS protesters demands but I feel extremely strongly about healthcare.
I think that every American should have access to basic healthcare. If your company offers it great and if they don't then you should have somewhere else to turn.
Im not saying free healthcare because quite frankly I think everyone should pay their fair share. But make it affordable, charge according to income on a sliding scale basis. Whether a family makes $18K a year or $100K a year they pay a certain percentage according to their income whether its 1%, 2%, 3%, etc.
This is something that should be offered. Then no one can complain that they don't have access to affordable healthcare. If they really TRULY can't afford it (lets say elderly, disabled, etc) than obviously offer free care like Medicaid but only if they truly can't afford it.
Why are so many people on Medicaid and don't pay a dime yet they have cable tv, go shopping, luxuries, etc. Stop this...if each of them contribute SOMETHING to their healthcare that is one less drain on our already overburdened system.
Thankfully I have health insurance through my job. The payments get deducted automatically before I bring home any money. This is how it should be for everyone. One middle class family should not have to shell out thousands of dollars a month on health insurance but have taxes taken out of their paychecks to pay for others with free health care. Everyone contributes. And I will go as far as to say even Illegal immigrants. Face it...there has always been and will always be illegal immigrants in the US and they will need health care so quite frankly make them pay just like anyone else. I'm pretty sure most of them wouldn't hesitate to pony up the cash as long as it was affordable.
The bottom line is with routine check ups a lot of conditions can be detected early and treated early thus avoiding the astronomical costs of reactive healthcare down the line.
IMO proper healthcare is something EVERY human being should have access to.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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Posted by Hofstra26
I stand by what I have said and I don't really see the need to justify my position any further (it's pointless) or even defend the silly remarks that I lack compassion. Attacking someone's character is childish. This isn't elementary school, grow up. You may not agree with what I have to say but to question my character as a person is not only obnoxious but out of line.
It's always the same cr@p on this board, different day. People get overly offended by EVERYTHING and god forbid someone should have a difference of opinion on ANY thread............it's war. It happens constantly on here. You don't have to agree with everything you read, I surely do not, but I do draw the line at being outright obnoxious to fellow posters. But I am not surprised, it's usually the same few who think they know everything and are always right.
thinking that Jews should be exterminated and blacks should sit on the end of the bus is also an opinion.
so, as you can see, people can have ****** opinions.
people can also make remarks on their facebooks statuses about wanting to cause bodily harm to people when they don't agree...but I am sure that is the mark of maturity.
Difference being...................said remark wasn't directed at anyone specific.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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And I may be "jobless" but I don't consider my DH's money HIS money. He works to provide for OUR family. It's OUR money. And we use OUR money to pay into OUR health benefits.
Ha! I'm sure he feels that way too, especially when he's stuck in some bullpoop meeting, or stuck on a train or in traffic during his commute. Yeah, I'm SURE he's thinking it sucks for the BOTH of you. Don't kid yourself, it's HIS money, HIS salary. You're just LUCKY he's sharing it with you.
Wow, what a horrible attitude you have.
Are you married?
I'd leave my husband in a heart beat if he he had an attitude like that.
I'll make about $75k more than my DH this year but the money goes into OUR account for OUR family.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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I would gladly pay a much higher tax rate if it meant that everyone could have access to QUALITY FOOD (actually tested with a federal agency that has power to shut down plants when they produce food that KILLS people), HEALTH CARE and SAFE HOUSING.
GLADLY. In a HEARTBEAT.
I am lucky that I have a roof over my head, I have health insurance, and I could shop at Whole Foods if I wanted to I guess without too much sacrifice. If they raised my taxes significantly I'd probably have to sacrifice some other comforts but I am telling you I would do it GLADLY. I would HAPPILY pay my share, not to finance another war, but to make sure that we take care of others in this country, to make sure that everyone has a chance at a basic standard of living.
Same here...DH and I both think this...and we also pay for our benefits Just because we're doing well doesn't mean we also don't think about those in need...I wish others would do the same!
I pay a sh--load for my health insurance, and I do complain about it a lot. My high deductible, everything they don't cover, blah blah. But the fact is, when my asthma medicine comes in every month, I can afford that payment, and if anything catastrophic were to god forbid happen, I have that peace of mind. Far too many don't. Far too many are sick and go without basic medication. It's disgusting.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Hofstra.. I don't know you. I only know your posts here. I can't comment on your past posts because I just don't pay that much attention. With that said I cannot judge you as a person, I can't say who YOU are. But I can say this.. your posts here DO make you seem selfish and self centered and arrogant and heartless. Things are good FOR YOU. Your DH works and his job is secure and your daughter has her mom at home and the world is painted in peaches and cream. Hey.. I'm sure my posts make me seem like a crazy bleeding heart neophyte with no strong grasp on reality. I'm okay with that.
You want to know why there is this protest. WHAT do those crazy fringe members of society want anyway?? Many of them want people like you to realize that the way things are doesn't work for everyone. It might be working for YOU at this moment.. but there are more people suffering than there are living the dream. And they want people like you to realize that you are an effing HEARTBEAT away from being JUST LIKE THEM. You seem to find this incomprehensible. It reminds me of the people who thought the Titanic was unsinkable. Of course there is always the remote POSSIBILITY that a plane could land on my house tomorrow.. but really.. what are the chances? OWS folks want you to know - and people like you to know - that the chances are greater than you think. MUCH greater.
You aren't alone. So many people think like this. And I don't know that I blame you or them or anyone really. We've created this world comprised of isolated little units sitting behind a computer screen to order food and clothes. Talking on our cell phones to avoid eye contact and common courtesies in the real world. So many people seem to have forgotten that this is not just about their own little patch of dirt. Maybe it's because things did work okay for most people for so long. Once upon a time you could say the homeless and the downtrodden were really just fringe parts of society because MOST people were doing okay. But the gap is widening. The rich are getting richer.. the REST OF US are starting to struggle more and more. Like it or not you are one of us Hofstra. You may not want to accept that.. you may not need to accept it right now.. but that's a fact. Your family is #1 and SHOULD be first to you.. but your family is part of the society.. part of the country.. part of the world. Can't you get that? Can't you see that if things don't get fixed it's bad for EVERYONE... you included?
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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And I may be "jobless" but I don't consider my DH's money HIS money. He works to provide for OUR family. It's OUR money. And we use OUR money to pay into OUR health benefits.
Ha! I'm sure he feels that way too, especially when he's stuck in some bullpoop meeting, or stuck on a train or in traffic during his commute. Yeah, I'm SURE he's thinking it sucks for the BOTH of you. Don't kid yourself, it's HIS money, HIS salary. You're just LUCKY he's sharing it with you.
Wow, what a horrible attitude you have.
Are you married?
I'd leave my husband in a heart beat if he he had an attitude like that.
I'll make about $75k more than my DH this year but the money goes into OUR account for OUR family.
I agree. Actually just started a post on parenting about this.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Hofstra26
I stand by what I have said and I don't really see the need to justify my position any further (it's pointless) or even defend the silly remarks that I lack compassion. Attacking someone's character is childish. This isn't elementary school, grow up. You may not agree with what I have to say but to question my character as a person is not only obnoxious but out of line.
It's always the same cr@p on this board, different day. People get overly offended by EVERYTHING and god forbid someone should have a difference of opinion on ANY thread............it's war. It happens constantly on here. You don't have to agree with everything you read, I surely do not, but I do draw the line at being outright obnoxious to fellow posters. But I am not surprised, it's usually the same few who think they know everything and are always right.
thinking that Jews should be exterminated and blacks should sit on the end of the bus is also an opinion.
so, as you can see, people can have ****** opinions.
people can also make remarks on their facebooks statuses about wanting to cause bodily harm to people when they don't agree...but I am sure that is the mark of maturity.
Difference being...................said remark wasn't directed at anyone specific.
all that was said in the posts to you was that what you are WRITING could be construed terribly. maybe you should internalize that. think about it. how you are reflecting on others. and come to grips with what that means about you.
I realize that I can come off as a rolling *****. and I am to a certain extent. I am intolerant. I realize that and I try to be better. take some time for inflection.
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| Posted 10/18/11 11:59 AM |
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brownie
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Hofstra26
And I may be "jobless" but I don't consider my DH's money HIS money. He works to provide for OUR family. It's OUR money. And we use OUR money to pay into OUR health benefits.
Ha! I'm sure he feels that way too, especially when he's stuck in some bullpoop meeting, or stuck on a train or in traffic during his commute. Yeah, I'm SURE he's thinking it sucks for the BOTH of you. Don't kid yourself, it's HIS money, HIS salary. You're just LUCKY he's sharing it with you.
Wow, what a horrible attitude you have.
Are you married?
I'd leave my husband in a heart beat if he he had an attitude like that.
I'll make about $75k more than my DH this year but the money goes into OUR account for OUR family.
I actually agree with this too, DH works for our FAMILY, but this doesn't change the other argument...
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| Posted 10/18/11 12:02 PM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by julz33
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Hofstra26
And I may be "jobless" but I don't consider my DH's money HIS money. He works to provide for OUR family. It's OUR money. And we use OUR money to pay into OUR health benefits.
Ha! I'm sure he feels that way too, especially when he's stuck in some bullpoop meeting, or stuck on a train or in traffic during his commute. Yeah, I'm SURE he's thinking it sucks for the BOTH of you. Don't kid yourself, it's HIS money, HIS salary. You're just LUCKY he's sharing it with you.
Wow, what a horrible attitude you have.
Are you married?
I'd leave my husband in a heart beat if he he had an attitude like that.
I'll make about $75k more than my DH this year but the money goes into OUR account for OUR family.
I agree. Actually just started a post on parenting about this.
I wasn't going to respond but to the person who said the above................my DH does NOT in ANY way have that attitude. I am NOT lucky, I married a man who genuinely cares about providing for his family with NO selfish motives. Everything we have we BOTH worked towards in some way and that includes his career and salary. Everything we have, including "his" salary is OURS. If my DH ever thought otherwise he'd have a problem on his hands.
Sorry that your relationship is so lacking in respect for one another that your DH or significant other would actually think that way.
That's all I wanted to say because that comment actually disgusted me.
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| Posted 10/18/11 12:07 PM |
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by brownie
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Hofstra26
And I may be "jobless" but I don't consider my DH's money HIS money. He works to provide for OUR family. It's OUR money. And we use OUR money to pay into OUR health benefits.
Ha! I'm sure he feels that way too, especially when he's stuck in some bullpoop meeting, or stuck on a train or in traffic during his commute. Yeah, I'm SURE he's thinking it sucks for the BOTH of you. Don't kid yourself, it's HIS money, HIS salary. You're just LUCKY he's sharing it with you.
Wow, what a horrible attitude you have.
Are you married?
I'd leave my husband in a heart beat if he he had an attitude like that.
I'll make about $75k more than my DH this year but the money goes into OUR account for OUR family.
I actually agree with this too, DH works for our FAMILY, but this doesn't change the other argument...
I won't speak for Jenny but what i inferred when I read that was in the (God forbid) event of separation/divorce, that wonderful husband today will be protecting his assets tomorrow kwim? I haven't been divorced but I know many who have and have been SHOCKED at the "breadwinners'" propensity to become a stingy a-hole the minute the separation is effective- no longer wanting to support their ex, and barely making timely support payments for their child(ren). They will move assets into other family names, sell property at a loss, basically do anything to protect what they see as "theirs and theirs alone". It's not pretty and it DOES happen more often than not imho.
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| Posted 10/18/11 12:09 PM |
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rojerono
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Hofstra26
And I may be "jobless" but I don't consider my DH's money HIS money. He works to provide for OUR family. It's OUR money. And we use OUR money to pay into OUR health benefits.
Ha! I'm sure he feels that way too, especially when he's stuck in some bullpoop meeting, or stuck on a train or in traffic during his commute. Yeah, I'm SURE he's thinking it sucks for the BOTH of you. Don't kid yourself, it's HIS money, HIS salary. You're just LUCKY he's sharing it with you.
Wow, what a horrible attitude you have.
Are you married?
I'd leave my husband in a heart beat if he he had an attitude like that.
I'll make about $75k more than my DH this year but the money goes into OUR account for OUR family.
I actually don't THINK Jenn meant it the way you are taking it. I am thinking she more or less meant that if that marriage were to implode the money would become HIS real quick. Everyone shares when things are good and happy.. but if things go south.. the sharing is suddenly kaput.
My husband is currently the sole breadwinner and pays our insurance. He does it happily and I know he doesn't think twice about the fact that he's supporting more than just himself.. but guaranteed that if we decided to split up that tune would not remain the same.
I used to be the only provider in the house at one point.. and my salary was always OUR money.. but if we broke up.. that would have changed.
Message edited 10/18/2011 12:10:29 PM.
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| Posted 10/18/11 12:09 PM |
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
one logical question on health care/health insurance--
for those who don't think everyone should get health insurance, do you also think these people should be denied treatment/health care, and in what circumstances?
Here's my understanding, and please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. I think most people without insurance avoid basic care and preventative care/meds, and show up at an ER with severe problems that are costly to treat. They cant be denied treatment, so now they get their treatment. They get billed. They have no money. They can't pay. The taxpayers, who dont want to pay for health insurance for all, end up paying for this treatment. But, if this sick person had some basic care along the way--annual check ups, meds for minor illnesses before they become major, mental health meds so this person can function better/contribute more--maybe they would actually be less of a burden on society on other taxpayers. preventative care is essential for maintaining health and keeping medical costs low, and that's what gets skipped when there is no insurance.
i wont even say that everyone should have the same level of med insurance. but everyone should get an annual check up. every should get antibiotics for a minor infection before it becomes a massive, life-threatening infection. Everyone should get their mammograms and colonoscopies and pap smears so that g-forbid there is something, it can be treated early, easily, and at a relatively low cost. much easier/cheaper to cut out a small tumor than to treat widespread cancer. much cheaper to take antiobiotics for 2 weeks than to show up on death's door at the hospital needing a lengthy stay and IV antibiotics, and possible surgery because of a massive infection. much wiser to give a person suffering from a mental illness treatment and meds and have them become a functioning member of society than to give them scraps and let them continuously show up in the ER for assorted ailments.
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| Posted 10/18/11 12:09 PM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Hofstra26
I stand by what I have said and I don't really see the need to justify my position any further (it's pointless) or even defend the silly remarks that I lack compassion. Attacking someone's character is childish. This isn't elementary school, grow up. You may not agree with what I have to say but to question my character as a person is not only obnoxious but out of line.
It's always the same cr@p on this board, different day. People get overly offended by EVERYTHING and god forbid someone should have a difference of opinion on ANY thread............it's war. It happens constantly on here. You don't have to agree with everything you read, I surely do not, but I do draw the line at being outright obnoxious to fellow posters. But I am not surprised, it's usually the same few who think they know everything and are always right.
thinking that Jews should be exterminated and blacks should sit on the end of the bus is also an opinion.
so, as you can see, people can have ****** opinions.
people can also make remarks on their facebooks statuses about wanting to cause bodily harm to people when they don't agree...but I am sure that is the mark of maturity.
Difference being...................said remark wasn't directed at anyone specific.
all that was said in the posts to you was that what you are WRITING could be construed terribly. maybe you should internalize that. think about it. how you are reflecting on others. and come to grips with what that means about you.
I realize that I can come off as a rolling *****. and I am to a certain extent. I am intolerant. I realize that and I try to be better. take some time for inflection.
That's why I take what most of what I read on here with a grain of salt because I don't know most of you IRL and because words on a screen are lost when there is no tone behind them.
If my words came off harsh, they weren't meant to be. I was just making my point, voicing my opinion. I just tend to be blunt and to the point and if someone here knew me IRL............they would know that. 
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| Posted 10/18/11 12:09 PM |
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JenniferEver
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
I don't know about anyone on this board, but I know some people IRL who are putting down the OWS people as wanting handouts and most of them are people who grew up in upper middle class families and now have VERY comfortable lives. They have the "American dream" of having achieves or earned more than their parents. They feel they've worked hard to get where they are (ignoring the fact that they had a leg up just by being born into an upper middle class family, but let's set that aside for a moment), and assume that if someone else isn't in their position it's becuase they don't work hard enough. They have never EVER been in a position where they couldn't pay the bills.
It's not a reality for them. DH and I thank god can pay our bills every month but this is how I grew up
1) We never took a family vacation
2) We rarely ate out or went to the movies
3) Our lights, phone, TV, etc were always being turned off because we couldn't afford the bills.
4) My dad got into a serious car accident and just before that, his boss, whom he'd worked for for 20 years had made him an independent contractor to help HIMSELF out in terms of taxes, etc. Because my dad was an IP and not an employee he was screwed and was let go when he couldn't work. He thought he was doing his boss a favor and he was screwing himself. We ate pancakes for dinner many nights during that time. My parents had to borrow money to feed us.
I'm not complaining because we had a roof over our heads, we had clothing, we got by. I know a LOT of people were a LOT worse off. I'm not going to say I had a horrible childhood because we didn't get to go to Disney World, but it did make me feel very insecure to think the lights could go out at any moment, and to have the stress knowing we didn't have money.
DH was laid off about 3x during this financial crisis. His great job he got after college was in the doomed mortgage backed securities division at Bear.
So even though DH and I are ok right now, being poor is VERY real to us. We know it can happen to anyone at any time. Even if WE are never in that situation again (which I sincerely hope and pray to God we are not), I don't want anyone to have to go through worse. We had some safety net. But imagine if there was none? There are people with NO food, not even pancakes for dinner, people who don't have relatives to lend money to make the mortgage payment, etc.
This is REAL. it CAN happen. Even if it doesn't happen to you, WHY is it ok if it happens to someone else? Are they less human than you are?
My dad helped his boss, a childhood friend START the company. No one's job was as secure as his, or so he thought. When it came down to it, the company was more important.
At my company NUMEROUS people who had worked for the company for 20+ years were laid off. Imagine being in your 40's or 50's and looking for a job in THIS economy after having worked at ONE job for the past 25 years. It's happening all around us.
If you still have a job you're not better than anyone else, you're lucky.
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| Posted 10/18/11 12:10 PM |
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HoneyBadger
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by colette
I won't speak for Jenny but what i inferred when I read that was in the (God forbid) event of separation/divorce, that wonderful husband today will be protecting his assets tomorrow kwim? I haven't been divorced but I know many who have and have been SHOCKED at the "breadwinners'" propensity to become a stingy a-hole the minute the separation is effective- no longer wanting to support their ex, and barely making timely support payments for their child(ren). They will move assets into other family names, sell property at a loss, basically do anything to protect what they see as "theirs and theirs alone". It's not pretty and it DOES happen more often than not imho.
Posted by rojerono
I actually don't THINK Jenn meant it the way you are taking it. I am thinking she more or less meant that if that marriage were to implode the money would become HIS real quick. Everyone shares when things are good and happy.. but if things go south.. the sharing is suddenly kaput.
My husband is currently the sole breadwinner and pays our insurance. He does it happily and I know he doesn't think twice about the fact that he's supporting more than just himself.. but guaranteed that if we decided to split up that tune would not remain the same.
I used to be the only provider in the house at one point.. and my salary was always OUR money.. but if we broke up.. that would have changed.
Ladies this is EXACTLY where I'm coming from. I'm glad some people understood.
And I LOVE how everything else I said went ignored. 
but then again, she was "so over this thread " back on page five yet continues to post.
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