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Ophelia
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by twiceasnice
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by twiceasnice
Posted by cateyemm
I don't get it. If she cant afford a smart phone, got scholarships, etc, why does she think shes part of the 1%?
Making smart decisions, not living in excess and planning for the future.
it's amazing to me how people don't realize how incredibly insulting this is to many people who did make smart decisions and still find themselves in an incredible hole.
Not me! Unlike the girl with the sign, I had to carry 60,000 in student loans (still have some of it) and when I had the chance, I chose to buy a new SUV that is still very costly. I put my kids in daycare which is like a 2nd mortgage, even though I had family to help, etc etc. My DH now has a 10/hour job because his business slowed to a halt and I am dealing with some increased medical expenses BUT I still wouldn't consider myself one of the 99%. I don't expect ANYONE to help me out and I sure as heck don't blame wall street. The Whitehouse YES, but not Wall Street!
most of these people don't want a hand out...they want a JOB.
but I do agree with you about Washington.
and I am not talking about the President. I am talking about ANY congressperson sitting pretty and voting on these ridiculous tax breaks while allowing corporations to remove all industry and leave us a country of unemployed office workers.
we have NO industry. we need to take it back.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by Ophelia
and I am not talking about the President. I am talking about ANY congressperson sitting pretty and voting on these ridiculous tax breaks while allowing corporations to remove all industry and leave us a country of unemployed office workers.
we have NO industry. we need to take it back.
One of things people dont look at is *why* they get these tax breaks. Im NOT saying I agree, or know a great deal about the subject.
Without the tax breaks they could not afford to make their products here. If they cant affod it, they DO take it to a state that WILL give them the tax breaks. If they cant find that, they WILL go overseas, or to south america.
The tax breaks actually allow them to opperate here in the USA.
Again, this is not a comment about the tax breaks (and how can they pay their CEO's more than they pay in taxes) but just what my understanding is.
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rojerono
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
I made smart decisions, I lived 'below my means' - and here I am. I pray to God that you aren't forced to realize how wrong you are by landing here with me. I mean that sincerely.
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Ophelia
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by VanderZwang
Posted by Ophelia
and I am not talking about the President. I am talking about ANY congressperson sitting pretty and voting on these ridiculous tax breaks while allowing corporations to remove all industry and leave us a country of unemployed office workers.
we have NO industry. we need to take it back.
One of things people dont look at is *why* they get these tax breaks. Im NOT saying I agree, or know a great deal about the subject.
Without the tax breaks they could not afford to make their products here. If they cant affod it, they DO take it to a state that WILL give them the tax breaks. If they cant find that, they WILL go overseas, or to south america.
The tax breaks actually allow them to opperate here in the USA.
Again, this is not a comment about the tax breaks (and how can they pay their CEO's more than they pay in taxes) but just what my understanding is.
who? what company are you speaking of?
Verizon operates here, yet they pay NO federal tax and actually got a refund???
GE???
Carnival Cruise?
Exxon?
they are all based HERE. Exxon actually pays billions of dollars to NIGERIA and gets a tax break for it.
and forgive me, but if you are making BILLIONS of dollars in profit, you could probably pay someone a bit more and employ people here, even if you make 1 or 2 less BILLION.
ETA: my point is, they are getting tax breaks which is supposed to help them create jobs, but we are continuously losing jobs. it's ********. it's not helping anyone. except shareholders. ahhh, we find ourselves back on "wall street"
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by VanderZwang
Posted by Ophelia
and I am not talking about the President. I am talking about ANY congressperson sitting pretty and voting on these ridiculous tax breaks while allowing corporations to remove all industry and leave us a country of unemployed office workers.
we have NO industry. we need to take it back.
One of things people dont look at is *why* they get these tax breaks. Im NOT saying I agree, or know a great deal about the subject.
Without the tax breaks they could not afford to make their products here. If they cant affod it, they DO take it to a state that WILL give them the tax breaks. If they cant find that, they WILL go overseas, or to south america.
The tax breaks actually allow them to opperate here in the USA.
Again, this is not a comment about the tax breaks (and how can they pay their CEO's more than they pay in taxes) but just
what my understanding is.
They've already moved the jobs out in spite of their generous tax breaks.
I thought this was a very well worded response to these types of statements
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by 2boys4me
That's great for her, it's not possible for everyone though. I was abused in my house and the only way to escape was to go away to school. I worked my butt off to get good grades but try studying and paying attention in school the next day when your mom and dad are up all night wasted blasting the mamas and the papas and throwing stuff at each other, at you, ripping the doors off, etc etc it was a nightmare. I worked many many hours at 3 part time jobs to get away, they made me pay for my lunches in high school, all my clothes... no I'm not talking name brand clothes, the basics, my shampoo, etc etc. I managed to graduate in the high 80's, not bad but not good enough for scholarships. When I went to apply for fin aid the law says that you need to declare what your parents make and their salary determines what you pay for school even though they weren't paying a dime. I got ZERO aid. The only way to declare myself independent on the FAFSA is to be married, 25, or have a baby... none applied to me. I went to a SUNY school and became an RA as soon as I possibly could so that my room and board were free. I worked 3 jobs in order to pay for the things school didn't pay for, my books, toiletries, school supplies, my car broke down all the time, gas, car insurance, I didn't have a lap top, or any of that stuff, I never went on spring break. I couldn't even break even. My school work suffered so much. I graduated with debt, couldn't get a teaching job to save my life so just went right to grad school because that's what teachers have to do, could only get into CW Post because my grades were just okay because I couldn't keep up from working so much. Was diagnosed with ADD, my grades soared, a professor made fun of me in front of the class for stuttering twice, contacted the disability office, and now slowly finishing up the last 3 classes I have left of grad school but emotionally scarred every time I go to the school. I have a massive amount of student loans and yet the teacher lay offs keep coming by the droves.
I did everything, everything I could to get myself out of a terrible situation, I did all the "right things" never cut class in high school, got decent grades, went to college, etc etc. and there are no job prospects for me or for anyone else that I know of that went to school for teaching. I graduated undergrad in 2006 with many teachers, and 2 friends have found a teaching job after having to move away from their families.
PLEASE YOU TELL ME... what could I have done different not to have this debt... please enlighten me.
Wow! You are someone to be proud of! I hope you had someone to tell you that
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by VanderZwang
Posted by Ophelia
and I am not talking about the President. I am talking about ANY congressperson sitting pretty and voting on these ridiculous tax breaks while allowing corporations to remove all industry and leave us a country of unemployed office workers.
we have NO industry. we need to take it back.
One of things people dont look at is *why* they get these tax breaks. Im NOT saying I agree, or know a great deal about the subject.
Without the tax breaks they could not afford to make their products here. If they cant affod it, they DO take it to a state that WILL give them the tax breaks. If they cant find that, they WILL go overseas, or to south america.
The tax breaks actually allow them to opperate here in the USA.
Again, this is not a comment about the tax breaks (and how can they pay their CEO's more than they pay in taxes) but just what my understanding is.
Thanks VanderZwang - was going to say the same thing. People can argue that it's "unfair" until they're blue in the face and maybe they are right, but if the end goal is to stimulate the economy then taking measures that will remove incentives for corporate innovation and job growth here in the US and encourage it elsewhere will not achieve that goal. We don't live in a socialist country, and never have.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by twiceasnice
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by twiceasnice
Posted by cateyemm
I don't get it. If she cant afford a smart phone, got scholarships, etc, why does she think shes part of the 1%?
Making smart decisions, not living in excess and planning for the future.
it's amazing to me how people don't realize how incredibly insulting this is to many people who did make smart decisions and still find themselves in an incredible hole.
Not me! Unlike the girl with the sign, I had to carry 60,000 in student loans (still have some of it) and when I had the chance, I chose to buy a new SUV that is still very costly. I put my kids in daycare which is like a 2nd mortgage, even though I had family to help, etc etc. My DH now has a 10/hour job because his business slowed to a halt and I am dealing with some increased medical expenses BUT I still wouldn't consider myself one of the 99%. I don't expect ANYONE to help me out and I sure as heck don't blame wall street. The Whitehouse YES, but not Wall Street!
The White House?? Are you serious? Pleae explain how the White House is responsible for the economy? Do you have any idea how long it takes for a single economic idea to impact the economy? Do you mean Congress?
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by Ophelia
oy this is so ******* ridiculous.
first of all, this person is a moron and her state education failed her b/c she has no comprehension skills.
second of all, I don't want what the 1% has. I am perfectly fine with what I have, what I have worked for, living within my means...but.
I HAVE A JOB.
I want to see what this dumb *** says when she LOSES her job. when she doesn't have income????
there are many peope who lived within their means and then...
THEIR MEANS WAS TAKEN AWAY.
very difficult in this world to live within nothing. or next to nothing.
this stuff is just so rude, I can't take it. a fundamental lack of empathy.
I want the people who are so against these protests to tell me WHERE ARE THE JOBS??
WHY do billion dollar earning companies PAY NO FEDERAL TAX?
it's great to say "live within your means" when you have a JOB. when you don't it's a whole different ball game.
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Ophelia
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by LawyerWife
Posted by VanderZwang
Posted by Ophelia
and I am not talking about the President. I am talking about ANY congressperson sitting pretty and voting on these ridiculous tax breaks while allowing corporations to remove all industry and leave us a country of unemployed office workers.
we have NO industry. we need to take it back.
One of things people dont look at is *why* they get these tax breaks. Im NOT saying I agree, or know a great deal about the subject.
Without the tax breaks they could not afford to make their products here. If they cant affod it, they DO take it to a state that WILL give them the tax breaks. If they cant find that, they WILL go overseas, or to south america.
The tax breaks actually allow them to opperate here in the USA.
Again, this is not a comment about the tax breaks (and how can they pay their CEO's more than they pay in taxes) but just what my understanding is.
Thanks VanderZwang - was going to say the same thing. People can argue that it's "unfair" until they're blue in the face and maybe they are right, but if the end goal is to stimulate the economy then taking measures that will remove incentives for corporate innovation and job growth here in the US and encourage it elsewhere will not achieve that goal. We don't live in a socialist country, and never have.
socialism has no bearing on this whatsoever. I have no idea why you would have even brought that up.
we have no innovation or job growth.
what is happening is that people in China and India and other developing nations that now have many of the trade jobs and customer service jobs that we had here NOW have spending money. so companies are courting to them.
we have sold out our country, pure and simple. and people use the world socialism like it's a four letter word to scare people.
eff that. pay your ******* taxes. have some national pride and keep your company here and put people to work.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
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Posted by rojerono
You don't have to support the protests, believe in what they are saying or even like what they are saying.. but the fact is that the vast majority of you on this board don't even come remotely close to being in the 1%.
So, what is wrong with that?
Where is it written that everyone is entitled to what the 1% has?
Would rather work hard and get as close to that 1% as possible versus those sitting back expecting things to be handed to them.
It's the American DREAM, not the American reality. A job, $$, nice things, these are not RIGHTS these are privileges/rewards for hard work and innovation!
Regardless of what the OWS protestors goal really is, IMO they are failing miserably at it, which is why I think there will be increased violence in the coming weeks if it continues.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by LawyerWife
Posted by VanderZwang
Posted by Ophelia
and I am not talking about the President. I am talking about ANY congressperson sitting pretty and voting on these ridiculous tax breaks while allowing corporations to remove all industry and leave us a country of unemployed office workers.
we have NO industry. we need to take it back.
One of things people dont look at is *why* they get these tax breaks. Im NOT saying I agree, or know a great deal about the subject.
Without the tax breaks they could not afford to make their products here. If they cant affod it, they DO take it to a state that WILL give them the tax breaks. If they cant find that, they WILL go overseas, or to south america.
The tax breaks actually allow them to opperate here in the USA.
Again, this is not a comment about the tax breaks (and how can they pay their CEO's more than they pay in taxes) but just what my understanding is.
Thanks VanderZwang - was going to say the same thing. People can argue that it's "unfair" until they're blue in the face and maybe they are right, but if the end goal is to stimulate the economy then taking measures that will remove incentives for corporate innovation and job growth here in the US and encourage it elsewhere will not achieve that goal. We don't live in a socialist country, and never have.
socialism has no bearing on this whatsoever. I have no idea why you would have even brought that up.
we have no innovation or job growth.
what is happening is that people in China and India and other developing nations that now have many of the trade jobs and customer service jobs that we had here NOW have spending money. so companies are courting to them.
we have sold out our country, pure and simple. and people use the world socialism like it's a four letter word to scare people.
eff that. pay your ******* taxes. have some national pride and keep your company here and put people to work.
There are plenty of corporations that are based here, and employ MANY MANY people here. The reality is to tax them into oblivion isn't going to do anything to help job creation. Not necessarily saying they should pay no taxes whatsoever, but it's certainly a balancing act and not as simple as saying "eff that, pay your taxes." I agree with you that a major part of the problem is the outsource and that we need more innovation to stimulate the economy. Taxing corporations, as a singular remedy, is not going to fix the entire economy and in fact could backfire.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
All arguments aside one way or the other...............what is REAL point of "Occupy Wall Street". Honestly, from everything I've read online and seen on the news they have NO "real" message, NO real plan of action, no list of ideas on how to fix anything, no goal, no anything. Sitting around and whining about the top 1% of wealth in this country is not going to fix anything with our economy.
I get that the economy stinks right now and finding a job isn't very easy but I'm not really sure what these people hope to achieve when all is said and done. What's the end game here? What do they hope to accomplish? I just don't get it really. I *personally* think it's a fruitless effort. I could be wrong, but the whole thing just seems so misguided and all over the place. Perhaps if there was a more cohesive message, goal, and plan it would be different but this just seems like organized whining right now.
If someone wants to enlighten me, feel free. 
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rojerono
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by MrsECullen7319
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by rojerono
You don't have to support the protests, believe in what they are saying or even like what they are saying.. but the fact is that the vast majority of you on this board don't even come remotely close to being in the 1%.
So, what is wrong with that?
Where is it written that everyone is entitled to what the 1% has?
Would rather work hard and get as close to that 1% as possible versus those sitting back expecting things to be handed to them.
It's the American DREAM, not the American reality. A job, $$, nice things, these are not RIGHTS these are privileges/rewards for hard work and innovation!
Regardless of what the OWS protestors goal really is, IMO they are failing miserably at it, which is why I think there will be increased violence in the coming weeks if it continues.
You know what's funny? The American Dream used to be about living a sustainable life. Having a home, food to eat and a decent job to support your family.
The dream never was to be the 1% for most people.
The problem is that those dreams used to be attainable. If you worked hard you could have all those things.
The PROBLEM is that the DREAM is fast becoming a FANTASY. It's a problem when the idea of having a LIVEABLE SALARY is becoming unattainable for people - even the smartest and most hardworking people.
I don't care. People can assume that anyone without a job or who is falling into debt must be irresponsible or must make bad decisions or must be jealous because they aren't willing to put in the hard work that others put in. And NOTHING will change their minds. UNTIL.. it happens to them. 
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by LawyerWife
There are plenty of corporations that are based here, and employ MANY MANY people here. The reality is to tax them into oblivion isn't going to do anything to help job creation. Not necessarily saying they should pay no taxes whatsoever, but it's certainly a balancing act and not as simple as saying "eff that, pay your taxes." I agree with you that a major part of the problem is the outsource and that we need more innovation to stimulate the economy. Taxing corporations, as a singular remedy, is not going to fix the entire economy and in fact could backfire.
I agree 100% with you. And THAT is the point of the protests in my opinion. Get people talking. Get the dialogue going. Bring the challenges to light and work on a solution. These issues have been ignored too long.. by big business AND by big government.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by Hofstra26
All arguments aside one way or the other...............what is REAL point of "Occupy Wall Street". Honestly, from everything I've read online and seen on the news they have NO "real" message, NO real plan of action, no list of ideas on how to fix anything, no goal, no anything. Sitting around and whining about the top 1% of wealth in this country is not going to fix anything with our economy.
I get that the economy stinks right now and finding a job isn't very easy but I'm not really sure what these people hope to achieve when all is said and done. What's the end game here? What do they hope to accomplish? I just don't get it really. I *personally* think it's a fruitless effort. I could be wrong, but the whole thing just seems so misguided and all over the place. Perhaps if there was a more cohesive message, goal, and plan it would be different but this just seems like organized whining right now.
If someone wants to enlighten me, feel free.
I like to be enlightened too.
The other day I asked DH- Well what do they WANT?
Like what do they want in order to stop the protesting? What is the goal?
I am not flaming what they are doing, etc- just genuinely curious as to what it is they want....
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Ophelia
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by LawyerWife
There are plenty of corporations that are based here, and employ MANY MANY people here. The reality is to tax them into oblivion isn't going to do anything to help job creation. Not necessarily saying they should pay no taxes whatsoever, but it's certainly a balancing act and not as simple as saying "eff that, pay your taxes." I agree with you that a major part of the problem is the outsource and that we need more innovation to stimulate the economy. Taxing corporations, as a singular remedy, is not going to fix the entire economy and in fact could backfire.
not taxing them has already backfired.
and no one is taking about oblivion. I would be fine with 10%. which is less than what I pay and I employ people too. I can't outsource my gardener...and since I work for the US govt, I can't employ anyone illegal either. 
and yes, I still say, eff that, pay your taxes. it IS that simple.
there is no singular rememdy in a complex society. I don't understand why people bring up P and Q when we are talking about G.
let's get G. going. then start on H, then move to I. all of these have to be accomplished. and we can and should do them all, but when we use P not getting done as an argument against doing G, NOTHING gets done, and we sit is this muck.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
I went to school down in NC, paid for my school through working full time. Upon graduating with a BA in history I took a job as a paralegal. After working for a few different firms I took a job with the city. I have no student loans and took a job I don't like but it pays the bills.
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Posted by Ophelia
oy this is so ******* ridiculous.
first of all, this person is a moron and her state education failed her b/c she has no comprehension skills.
second of all, I don't want what the 1% has. I am perfectly fine with what I have, what I have worked for, living within my means...but.
I HAVE A JOB.
I want to see what this dumb *** says when she LOSES her job. when she doesn't have income????
there are many peope who lived within their means and then...
THEIR MEANS WAS TAKEN AWAY.
very difficult in this world to live within nothing. or next to nothing.
this stuff is just so rude, I can't take it. a fundamental lack of empathy.
I want the people who are so against these protests to tell me WHERE ARE THE JOBS??
WHY do billion dollar earning companies PAY NO FEDERAL TAX?
it's great to say "live within your means" when you have a JOB. when you don't it's a whole different ball game.
Where is the H E C K friggin ya emote Icon????? ITA
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by hanna7636
I went to school down in NC, paid for my school through working full time. Upon graduating with a BA in history I took a job as a paralegal. After working for a few different firms I took a job with the city. I have no student loans and took a job I don't like but it pays the bills.
i went to school
have manageable loans
have a job
own a home i can afford
i dont even want a cookie for my trouble.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Hofstra26
All arguments aside one way or the other...............what is REAL point of "Occupy Wall Street". Honestly, from everything I've read online and seen on the news they have NO "real" message, NO real plan of action, no list of ideas on how to fix anything, no goal, no anything. Sitting around and whining about the top 1% of wealth in this country is not going to fix anything with our economy.
I get that the economy stinks right now and finding a job isn't very easy but I'm not really sure what these people hope to achieve when all is said and done. What's the end game here? What do they hope to accomplish? I just don't get it really. I *personally* think it's a fruitless effort. I could be wrong, but the whole thing just seems so misguided and all over the place. Perhaps if there was a more cohesive message, goal, and plan it would be different but this just seems like organized whining right now.
If someone wants to enlighten me, feel free.
I like to be enlightened too.
The other day I asked DH- Well what do they WANT?
Like what do they want in order to stop the protesting? What is the goal?
I am not flaming what they are doing, etc- just genuinely curious as to what it is they want....
To answer your questions, READ THIS
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Ophelia
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
I went to a CUNY school so I could pay my bill every semester.
I went at night so I could work full time and pay my own rent and my own bills.
most people a higher balance on credit cards than I do on my SL, and that was taken out when I went to a private school (before I *wised up* and when to a college within my means- oh, it was to supplement my scholarships. b.c I worked hard in school as well as working 3 jobs to help keep my parents and siblings afloat).
where is my cookie?  I am better and smarter and everything-er than most people. I did everything right.
yet, I still can't get a cookie. oh, the humanity.
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ThePinkGoose
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by GioiaMia
Posted by hanna7636
I went to school down in NC, paid for my school through working full time. Upon graduating with a BA in history I took a job as a paralegal. After working for a few different firms I took a job with the city. I have no student loans and took a job I don't like but it pays the bills.
i went to school
have manageable loans
have a job
own a home i can afford
i dont even want a cookie for my trouble.
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by LawyerWife
There are plenty of corporations that are based here, and employ MANY MANY people here. The reality is to tax them into oblivion isn't going to do anything to help job creation. Not necessarily saying they should pay no taxes whatsoever, but it's certainly a balancing act and not as simple as saying "eff that, pay your taxes." I agree with you that a major part of the problem is the outsource and that we need more innovation to stimulate the economy. Taxing corporations, as a singular remedy, is not going to fix the entire economy and in fact could backfire.
not taxing them has already backfired.
and no one is taking about oblivion. I would be fine with 10%. which is less than what I pay and I employ people too. I can't outsource my gardener...and since I work for the US govt, I can't employ anyone illegal either.
and yes, I still say, eff that, pay your taxes. it IS that simple.
there is no singular rememdy in a complex society. I don't understand why people bring up P and Q when we are talking about G.
let's get G. going. then start on H, then move to I. all of these have to be accomplished. and we can and should do them all, but when we use P not getting done as an argument against doing G, NOTHING gets done, and we sit is this muck.
Okay, say corporations pay 10%. What's to stop them from then turning around and laying off tons of workers to save their bottom line? Your argument assumes that no negative implications from taxing corporations and it's simply not true. Corporations owe fiduciary duties to their shareholders. This can and does benefit many people, and not just the uber wealthy. Shareholders can be entities that ordinary people BENEFIT from - such pensions for workers. Taking steps that could diminish corporate wealth could hurt these shareholders. So I guess I just don't agree with you. It's not that simple.
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| Posted 10/17/11 1:13 PM |
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Xelindrya
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Re: On the subject of Occupy Wall St...
I have no degree at all. Like a PP my home life was not 'ideal' and it was easier to get OUT of the house than to cover up bruises. I worked at McDonalds at age 16 through my single year in college (which I paid for).
Just one year tho.. no degree.
None, zero, zilch. I got a job instead. Sure I was making minimum wage, but it was a job. From that job I got another job, just slightly ever so slightly below poverty. But I lived on my own, my own car, my own apt, my own bills. Then I got a job in insurance. Bottom of the barrel. Same clothes every single week. Less than 10yrs later I lived in NY was getting married for $30K and had a job paying me $75K.
Everyone has a story. We all WANT to be the 1% then I'm sure then we'd feel entitled to that position. Until then its easier to hate those with more. I'm not saying its wrong, per se. But there's too much gray. Are we looking for a communist view where everyone is equal?
Meh.. I think the Occupy Wall Street folks are just looking to cause attention and they think its a good thing but they haven't seemed to be able to figure out WHAT attention they want.
I can't back such a medusa cause. I need more focus.. one mind, one idea.
ETA: I've been laid off twice.. both while in NY. Once during the Eliot Spitzer debacle and again one year later. So yeah I know its tough and I busted my BUTT and both times was employed in less than a month (once less than 7days). That's me, the uneducated desperate soul looking for a way to pay the bills. Maybe BECAUSE I had no degree I was a cheap solution to the employers. I'm part of the 99% who are paid less for not having a degree.... regardless that most who HAVE a degree in my industry don't HAVE A DEGREE *IN* my industry. Nothing like knowing the English BA over there who can barely SPEAK english correctly gets $10k more than me... always... even tho I have 12yrs more experience at the job than she does.
I went back to college and got a few hours in.. I'm even phi theta kappa (honors) but who cares? I won't get a pay increase. *shrug*
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