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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
I was on vacation in a place with no internet and barely any cell coverage this week, so I am just hearing about this.
After reading all of the details that I can find so far, I am constantly reminded of the fact that people are constantly making choices and nobody ever thinks that it will happen "to them".
There are recommendations that you leave your child rear facing in a car seat until at least the age of 2 so that you reduce the risk of having a baby with a broken neck or worse from a crash. Many parents don't believe that anything will happen "to them" and they turn their children around sooner.
There are many states where adults are not required to wear seat belts in the back seat even though it is recommended because it is safer. Many adults choose not to wear them because they don't think anything will happen "to them".
There are states where motorcycle riders do not have to wear a helmet, even though it is recommended because it is safer. Many people choose not to wear one because they don't think anything will happen "to them".
It is recommended that men go to the doctor yearly for prostate exams so that you can get early detection for any potential prostate cancer and find yourself in a situation where you can be cured. My FIL didn't believe in that because he didn't think anything could happen "to him". He is now battling stage 4 prostate cancer that has spread to his bones.
So it seems that the recommended maximum capacity of this boat was 10 and they had 27 people on it. I guarantee you every single adult on that boat didn't think anything of it because nothing would happen "to them". They were only going to be sitting out on the water watching the fireworks, what could go wrong?
My point is that people make choices every single day. Most of the time things go smoothly and there are no issues and those people continue to go on in life and take chances. Unfortunately, things do go wrong, and people are left angry and mad at the end results. Looking back, I'm sure all of these people are hating themselves for not saying something. Unfortunately you can't go back in time. Guilt will be their constant companion for the rest of their lives.
While this was an accident, it seems to me from the facts that it was entirely preventable. My heart goes out to those poor children who lost their lives.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
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I am not a mean person and I do have compassion which is why I KNOW that if a child was on that boat i would have died trying to get them out. your child or mine. period.
I am not playing the blame game, i don't care whose fault it was, if any. Accidents happen, i understand that. It was not an accident that all those adults got off that ship alive.
I stand by my "opinion" if i got off that boat alive and my niece, neighbor or my child died i would be ASHAMED of myself.
How do you look at your brother and say, yeah there was an accident your kid is dead. HOW?
So what you're saying is you'd have preferred to see all 27 passengers dead, so at least you'd know that they all tried to save the kids. 
Yours is such a high and mighty response. To say what you would do in such a situation shows such a lack of perspective.
YUP.
See I don't think its me being high and mighty at all. I think im just a MOM.
and if you died trying to save a life (your child or someone else's) what happens to your other children? it isnt clear cut. no one can speak unless they are put in that situation. What if these mothers/fathers could not swim? what if other's were holding them back? Do you think that any person in their right mind would let a panic stricken mother who is likely in shock dive into black water? im sure the water was filled with bodies doing everything they could. unfortunately, there was nothing anyone could do for these kids. WHY lose more lives?
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
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I am not a mean person and I do have compassion which is why I KNOW that if a child was on that boat i would have died trying to get them out. your child or mine. period.
I am not playing the blame game, i don't care whose fault it was, if any. Accidents happen, i understand that. It was not an accident that all those adults got off that ship alive.
I stand by my "opinion" if i got off that boat alive and my niece, neighbor or my child died i would be ASHAMED of myself.
How do you look at your brother and say, yeah there was an accident your kid is dead. HOW?
So what you're saying is you'd have preferred to see all 27 passengers dead, so at least you'd know that they all tried to save the kids.
Yours is such a high and mighty response. To say what you would do in such a situation shows such a lack of perspective.
YUP.
See I don't think its me being high and mighty at all. I think im just a MOM.
and if you died trying to save a life (your child or someone else's) what happens to your other children? it isnt clear cut. no one can speak unless they are put in that situation. What if these mothers/fathers could not swim? what if other's were holding them back? Do you think that any person in their right mind would let a panic stricken mother who is likely in shock dive into black water? im sure the water was filled with bodies doing everything they could. unfortunately, there was nothing anyone could do for these kids. WHY lose more lives?
Are you saying you wouldn't try to save your kids life? you would just accept the fact that they were in a hard to reach place? im not trying to be snarky, i really am intrested in the other side of this. i know my side, i am trying to see how other people can really say that there was "nothing to be done for those kids" (i am quoting you)
to answer your question, i wouldn't be on a boat with 20 people if i didn't know how to swim w/o a life vest on me.
to me it IS very clear cut, but i agree to disagree.
and "why" bc i wouldn't, sorry, couldn't live with myself. and again, it is not just ONE person, every.single.adult. got out alive, and all 3 kids died. to me that is CRAZY.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
The reality of it is that those kids were trapped. Everyone else on that boat survived because they were on deck, not in the cabin. You were not there, so I don't understand how you know that those adults didn't try anything and everything to get those kids out. They could have tried everything in their power, but didn't get to them in time. The only reason those children died was because they were trapped. If they were on deck like the other children, the adults would have been able to save them. I'm sure all of the adults are completely devastated, but I don't think you can cast any blame on them when you don't know how everything played out that night.
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maybe I am biased because I have a close relative who knows owner of boat.
It just sucks all around..no matter how you slice it.
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Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
It's really sad to me that in light of this tragedy, once again, some LIFers have to turn a horrible situation into even more disgusting nonsense.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
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and if you died trying to save a life (your child or someone else's) what happens to your other children? it isnt clear cut. no one can speak unless they are put in that situation. What if these mothers/fathers could not swim? what if other's were holding them back? Do you think that any person in their right mind would let a panic stricken mother who is likely in shock dive into black water? im sure the water was filled with bodies doing everything they could. unfortunately, there was nothing anyone could do for these kids. WHY lose more lives?
Are you saying you wouldn't try to save your kids life? you would just accept the fact that they were in a hard to reach place? im not trying to be snarky, i really am intrested in the other side of this. i know my side, i am trying to see how other people can really say that there was "nothing to be done for those kids" (i am quoting you)
to answer your question, i wouldn't be on a boat with 20 people if i didn't know how to swim w/o a life vest on me.
to me it IS very clear cut, but i agree to disagree.
and "why" bc i wouldn't, sorry, couldn't live with myself. and again, it is not just ONE person, every.single.adult. got out alive, and all 3 kids died. to me that is CRAZY.
I know you didn't ask me directly, but I thought I'd give you my opinion which I guess is on the other side. I hope to God that I'm never in a situation, but in theory of course I would 1000% try to save my child's life. In this case and the case of the fire I think it's really naive to say I'd die before I'd let them die. I can swim really well, but in pitch black water with tons of people all around you, you have no clue which direction is up/down etc or where your kids even are. I'm imagining that at that point you could actually think your kids are out. I'd also have to take into account if I had other children, do I want to leave them motherless/fatherless if I die trying to save someone that I don't even have any idea where they could be.
I just wanted to add as well that their were other kids on that boat that did survive it wasn't 24 adults and three kids. From what I've heard is their were actually quite a few more kids on the boat.
It's easy to judge and say what we think we'd do, but in the end you just don't know. I can't judge those other adults or the parents for not being able to save the kids, I wasn't there.
I have to add and I mean this in the most genuine way (truly), but how did you not kill your husband when he went back in for that cat. I think while it's such an amazing thing to do for that family. I have a dog, I'd be heartbroken if she was lost in a fire, but if that was my DH I'd be pissed as hell that he risked his life for a cat. I think it just goes to further prove that everyone makes different choices in the moment and probably goes to show why your husband is a first responder and I am not. I give you a ton of credit for being so selfless.
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Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
The bottom line is that this was a tragic PREVENTABLE accident. I'm not going to play a blame game...I'm sure every single adult on that boat is going to live with regret the rest of their lives BUT the bottom line is that this was totally preventable.
When you exceed capacity, don't wear a seat belt,etc., you put yourself and possibly others at risk for tragedy. We all think it will never happen to us until it does. NO one is above tragedy but it's even more heartbreaking when the tragedy was preventable.
As far as trying to save the kids we all can sit here and say what we would have done but unless you were on that boat you don't know. I have a fear of water and I can't even begin to imagine the panic of being on a boat one minute and in the water the next when it is pitch black. You don't know what you would have done or could have done in that situation unless you actually lived it. You just don't. I would die and kill for my child but I can't sit here and say that those adults did nothing for those kids because I don't know what went on in those horrible moments...the panic confusion fear. My God my heart is so heavy for all those families. :(
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by maybemommy10
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and "why" bc i wouldn't, sorry, couldn't live with myself. and again, it is not just ONE person, every.single.adult. got out alive, and all 3 kids died. to me that is CRAZY.
It's not that every single adult survived and all 3 kids died. The big point you seem to be missing is that ALL 3 "people" died who were in the cabin. Had there been adults in there, they would very very very likely have died too. And you keep saying all adults got out safely....well that was b/c they were NOT in the cabin. And those 3 kids that died were NOT the only children on the boat. You keep missing the major factor was that ANYONE who was in the cabin stood LITTLE chance of surviving.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by jerseypanda
There are many states where adults are not required to wear seat belts in the back seat even though it is recommended because it is safer. Many adults choose not to wear them because they don't think anything will happen "to them".
There are states where motorcycle riders do not have to wear a helmet, even though it is recommended because it is safer. Many people choose not to wear one because they don't think anything will happen "to them".
It is recommended that men go to the doctor yearly for prostate exams so that you can get early detection for any potential prostate cancer and find yourself in a situation where you can be cured. My FIL didn't believe in that because he didn't think anything could happen "to him". He is now battling stage 4 prostate cancer that has spread to his bones.
So it seems that the recommended maximum capacity of this boat was 10 and they had 27 people on it. I guarantee you every single adult on that boat didn't think anything of it because nothing would happen "to them". They were only going to be sitting out on the water watching the fireworks, what could go wrong?
My point is that people make choices every single day. Most of the time things go smoothly and there are no issues and those people continue to go on in life and take chances. Unfortunately, things do go wrong, and people are left angry and mad at the end results. Looking back, I'm sure all of these people are hating themselves for not saying something. Unfortunately you can't go back in time. Guilt will be their constant companion for the rest of their lives.
While this was an accident, it seems to me from the facts that it was entirely preventable. My heart goes out to those poor children who lost their lives.
Bingo. I said this earlier but MANY people have the mindset that certain bad things won't or can't or likely will not happen to them. But it does happen to SOMEONE. And one day it can be you.
From the moment of conception, parents make choices EVERY day that have to do with the safety of their children or future children. These parents made a poor choice that they had NO ill intent with and sadly learned that bad things can happen to you....even when you probably think it can't or won't.
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Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
You know, nobody is arguing that this was not a tragic accident. But this is not about sitting on the water to watch fireworks thinking nothing is going to happen to YOU. This is about the captain of this boat allowing 27 people on a 34 foot vessel on one of the busiest boating days of the year, and claiming to be more experienced at boating than the actual ownder of the boat. Eff that, and eff this rogue wave nonsense they are all claiming. They were not boating on the Bering Sea, they were on the sound in Northport for God's sake. A 34 foot boat would give every person on that boat less than a foot of room to move around. It's disgusting.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
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and eff this rogue wave nonsense they are all claiming.
Yeah, whoever came up with this rogue wave 'excuse' should have done a little research before spouting that as an option.
Rogue waves happen in the middle of the OCEAN. If a rogue wave hit the LI Sound, Long Island would be much smaller right now.
Using excuses like that makes it seem that the captain is going to point to anything but himself as part of the problem.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by maybemommy10
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Posted by InShock
Posted by maybemommy10
I am not a mean person and I do have compassion which is why I KNOW that if a child was on that boat i would have died trying to get them out. your child or mine. period.
I am not playing the blame game, i don't care whose fault it was, if any. Accidents happen, i understand that. It was not an accident that all those adults got off that ship alive.
I stand by my "opinion" if i got off that boat alive and my niece, neighbor or my child died i would be ASHAMED of myself.
How do you look at your brother and say, yeah there was an accident your kid is dead. HOW?
So what you're saying is you'd have preferred to see all 27 passengers dead, so at least you'd know that they all tried to save the kids.
Yours is such a high and mighty response. To say what you would do in such a situation shows such a lack of perspective.
YUP.
See I don't think its me being high and mighty at all. I think im just a MOM.
and if you died trying to save a life (your child or someone else's) what happens to your other children? it isnt clear cut. no one can speak unless they are put in that situation. What if these mothers/fathers could not swim? what if other's were holding them back? Do you think that any person in their right mind would let a panic stricken mother who is likely in shock dive into black water? im sure the water was filled with bodies doing everything they could. unfortunately, there was nothing anyone could do for these kids. WHY lose more lives?
Are you saying you wouldn't try to save your kids life? you would just accept the fact that they were in a hard to reach place? im not trying to be snarky, i really am intrested in the other side of this. i know my side, i am trying to see how other people can really say that there was "nothing to be done for those kids" (i am quoting you)
to answer your question, i wouldn't be on a boat with 20 people if i didn't know how to swim w/o a life vest on me.
to me it IS very clear cut, but i agree to disagree.
and "why" bc i wouldn't, sorry, couldn't live with myself. and again, it is not just ONE person, every.single.adult. got out alive, and all 3 kids died. to me that is CRAZY.
honestly, i cant swim so how could i jump in after him? i have a husband who is a lifeguard so im sure he would. that was my point. it would have been certain death for me. try to see past your own nose 
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
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Posted by maybemommy10
I am not a mean person and I do have compassion which is why I KNOW that if a child was on that boat i would have died trying to get them out. your child or mine. period.
I am not playing the blame game, i don't care whose fault it was, if any. Accidents happen, i understand that. It was not an accident that all those adults got off that ship alive.
I stand by my "opinion" if i got off that boat alive and my niece, neighbor or my child died i would be ASHAMED of myself.
How do you look at your brother and say, yeah there was an accident your kid is dead. HOW?
So what you're saying is you'd have preferred to see all 27 passengers dead, so at least you'd know that they all tried to save the kids.
Yours is such a high and mighty response. To say what you would do in such a situation shows such a lack of perspective.
YUP.
See I don't think its me being high and mighty at all. I think im just a MOM.
and if you died trying to save a life (your child or someone else's) what happens to your other children? it isnt clear cut. no one can speak unless they are put in that situation. What if these mothers/fathers could not swim? what if other's were holding them back? Do you think that any person in their right mind would let a panic stricken mother who is likely in shock dive into black water? im sure the water was filled with bodies doing everything they could. unfortunately, there was nothing anyone could do for these kids. WHY lose more lives?
Are you saying you wouldn't try to save your kids life? you would just accept the fact that they were in a hard to reach place? im not trying to be snarky, i really am intrested in the other side of this. i know my side, i am trying to see how other people can really say that there was "nothing to be done for those kids" (i am quoting you)
to answer your question, i wouldn't be on a boat with 20 people if i didn't know how to swim w/o a life vest on me.
to me it IS very clear cut, but i agree to disagree.
and "why" bc i wouldn't, sorry, couldn't live with myself. and again, it is not just ONE person, every.single.adult. got out alive, and all 3 kids died. to me that is CRAZY.
I read the article Newsday that said they did try to get into the cabin to save the kids but they couldn't. Your thoughts are they should have died trying then? That doesn't make sense to me...
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
If i didn't know how to swim, I would not be on a boat with my kids in the middle of the ocean alone. I wouldn't take them skiing either, because I don't ski. There are things I don't do with my kids, because it is not SAFE for them. I don't bring them to pools or sprinkler parks alone, because one will go one way and the other will take off in another direction, so i can't protect them, so I can't go alone (yet). My only job in this world is to protect these little people and I make choices every day to insure that. ie. my cousin has a huge underground non fenced pool there can be 25 relatives out there....when i have to use the bathroom (3 floors up) I have taken my kids with me and have sat them on the floor because all it takes is 2 seconds to look away. ok so maybe i am a l il OD
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by maybemommy10
If i didn't know how to swim, I would not be on a boat with my kids in the middle of the ocean alone. I wouldn't take them skiing either, because I don't ski. There are things I don't do with my kids, because it is not SAFE for them. I don't bring them to pools or sprinkler parks alone, because one will go one way and the other will take off in another direction, so i can't protect them, so I can't go alone (yet). My only job in this world is to protect these little people and I make choices every day to insure that. ie. my cousin has a huge underground non fenced pool there can be 25 relatives out there....when i have to use the bathroom (3 floors up) I have taken my kids with me and have sat them on the floor because all it takes is 2 seconds to look away. ok so maybe i am a l il OD
first of all, they werent on the ocean second, a life jacket prevents you from downing but also prevents you from being able to dive into dark waters or below water for that matter. Oh, and they weren't alone!
you are telling me that people who cannot swim have no business being in water or on a boat? you are a special person!
i understand that as parents, "our only job is to protect our kids" (which isnt even true) but ACCIDENTS happen! Accidents, by definition are "unfortunate incidents that happen unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury."
By your logic, you probably should never get in a car or leave your house. Oh wait, fires can happen in homes. A car could come crashing through your front window. A tornado could take you out. Better yet, I dont think there is a safe place in this world for you.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
I said i wouldn't go ALONE. take a breath chick
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
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I said i wouldn't go ALONE. take a breath chick
thanks, chick much more relaxed now!
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by KristenRSF
You know, nobody is arguing that this was not a tragic accident. But this is not about sitting on the water to watch fireworks thinking nothing is going to happen to YOU. This is about the captain of this boat allowing 27 people on a 34 foot vessel on one of the busiest boating days of the year, and claiming to be more experienced at boating than the actual ownder of the boat. Eff that, and eff this rogue wave nonsense they are all claiming. They were not boating on the Bering Sea, they were on the sound in Northport for God's sake. A 34 foot boat would give every person on that boat less than a foot of room to move around. It's disgusting.
I agree. But when people comment about people thinking things won't happen to them, that includes the captain AND the owner of the boat. As well as all the people who got on, were squeezed on there, took their children on there, and didn't seem to think it was MAYBE a bad idea. And if that thought did occur to any of them, apparently they thought NOTHING would happen to them, and took the gamble.
I agree the captain AND owner are the first ones who should NOT have allowed that. But everyone other adult should have enought sense to realize it's dark, they are clearly crammed on that boat, etc.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
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and eff this rogue wave nonsense they are all claiming.
Yeah, whoever came up with this rogue wave 'excuse' should have done a little research before spouting that as an option.
Rogue waves happen in the middle of the OCEAN. If a rogue wave hit the LI Sound, Long Island would be much smaller right now.
Using excuses like that makes it seem that the captain is going to point to anything but himself as part of the problem.
I agree. I tend to think the wave came when the boat toppled over and THAT was the wave he is bringing up, only that wave happened after the fact. The boat was probably just too top heavy and he made a sharp turn, too many people on one side maybe and it went down. Of course with a big splash comes a wave...so there's his wave he is talking about.
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Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Another story on News12 about a boat in Wading River that capsized. 4 adults and 1 kid on board........................A 7 FOOT BOAT.
Everyone is safe but I really just can't with people.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by KristenRSF
Another story on News12 about a boat in Wading River that capsized. 4 adults and 1 kid on board........................A 7 FOOT BOAT.
Everyone is safe but I really just can't with people.
we were out yesterday on the boat and we saw EIGHT teenage boys on a 9 ft. boat. I nearly had a heart attack!
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by Blazesyth
Posted by KristenRSF
and eff this rogue wave nonsense they are all claiming.
Yeah, whoever came up with this rogue wave 'excuse' should have done a little research before spouting that as an option.
Rogue waves happen in the middle of the OCEAN. If a rogue wave hit the LI Sound, Long Island would be much smaller right now.
Using excuses like that makes it seem that the captain is going to point to anything but himself as part of the problem.
From what I have read, I think what he is referring to is the wakes from other boats. I'm not under the impression he means a true rogue wave. When there is that amount of boat traffic, the wakes make the area just as rough as the ocean.
Silvertons are quality boats made to handle ocean waves well. I think the boat was too top heavy with adults on the fly bridge and when he took the wake of another other boat, it caused the boat to tip. Once that happened, there was no way of saving anyone in the cabin. Given the layout of that particular boat, they are lucky there were not more people in the cabin. It was a horrible accident and I feel very sorry for all of those families.
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| Posted 7/9/12 12:44 PM |
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Ladybug63
Ohh... baby
Member since 5/06 2527 total posts
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
There are a lot of details that have not been released to the public. If and when these details are released I think a lot of us will have a new point of view on the matter :(
I truly and deeply feel terrible for the loss every single person involved is feeling right now however IMO there were many irresponsible decisions made and every adult on board was negligent IMO.
ETA: I too think they are referring to a "rogue wave" as a large wake. I've been in that very spot 100's of times and with weather approaching & numerous boats under way it's not uncommon to have a 4, 5 or even 6 foot roller come in. That coupled with the overloaded boat made for a disaster. 
Message edited 7/9/2012 5:30:43 PM.
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| Posted 7/9/12 5:24 PM |
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sasha96
lovin' my 2 little ladies!
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by cncforever
maybe I am biased because I have a close relative who knows owner of boat.
It just sucks all around..no matter how you slice it.
I used to work in the school where one of the children went (elementary). The faculty there is heartbroken. Everyone's hearts go out to the families. Such a tragedy!
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| Posted 7/9/12 6:05 PM |
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