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nicrae
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by maybemommy10
I don't get how all 27 adults are alive and the three kids are dead. Not one tried to get those children out? Dead ass, if those were my kids or family/friends kids, I would have died trying to get them out alive. How are you not ashamed of getting off that boat alive?
Seriously were you there??? You have no idea how hard they tried to get those kids out. NO IDEA. People didn't have a choice of getting off that boat alive. They were tossed into the water. There wasn't an evacuation....it was one minute you're on the boat and the next you're in dark water. I'm sure the 74 year old grandmother who was saving her 7 year old granddaughter should really be ashamed that she also couldn't save her 11 year old granddaughter??
It is comments like this that make me wonder what is wrong with people in this world. Have some compassion for people that survived a horrific accident.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
I think one report said that a few adults would not board the other ship trying to look for others (assuming the children). The boat was upside down, the chances of getting into the cabin without oxygen was slim. Plus it was pitch black.
This situation was just tragic.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
this is just a tragic accident. I am sure every adult on that boat was confused and everything happened so fast, it's not like they had a chance to gather their thoughts and make sure every child was there. Every single person on that boat will forever think what they could have/ should have done differently for the rest of their lives. I pray for these poor children and the families who lost them.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I blame all the adults who were on that boat. Nobody had the wherewithal to say "hey, wait a minute...maybe this isn't such a good idea? This boat wasn't designed to hold this many people." I'm pretty sure the passenger capacity is around 15. To me, this was an obvious bad decision made by a lot of people!
Very True. I wouldn't hold just the captain responsible. Every adult on that boat played a part in this tragedy.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
SO sad may they rest in peace..I hate boats, I never go on them, I used to take the ferry every day in the summer to fire island but one today is was really bad, SO from that day on I never stepped on a boat. I will never go on a boat again. Not my cup of tea
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| Posted 7/7/12 11:02 AM |
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by Blazesyth
Wearing the lifejacket in the cabin could be an issue. Because if you're floating at the ceiling, you may be over the door top. You'd have to take the life jacket off so you can sink and go under the door threshold - or have enough force to propel yourself to do this with the lifejacket on.
This is neither here nor there but the boat capsized so you're actually floating up to the floor. However, in complete darkness while you are essentially drowning, I highly doubt anyone would have been able to find the door.
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Blazesyth
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by lululu
Posted by Blazesyth
Wearing the lifejacket in the cabin could be an issue. Because if you're floating at the ceiling, you may be over the door top. You'd have to take the life jacket off so you can sink and go under the door threshold - or have enough force to propel yourself to do this with the lifejacket on.
This is neither here nor there but the boat capsized so you're actually floating up to the floor. However, in complete darkness while you are essentially drowning, I highly doubt anyone would have been able to find the door.
Ah yes - I was typing as if it was a sinking scenario vs a capsize scenario. Whether it's the floor or ceiling - scary!
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
It is a tragic accident. I don't want to play the blame game, but I feel awful for those families who lost a child.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
The whole thing is just tragic. I can't stop thinking about the poor children and families.
It really hit today when the news trucks & reporters were at the local funeral home today. The 12 year old boy's wake was held there.
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| Posted 7/7/12 10:41 PM |
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by lvdolphins
The whole thing is just tragic. I can't stop thinking about the poor children and families.
It really hit today when the news trucks & reporters were at the local funeral home today. The 12 year old boy's wake was held there.
I was watching News12 yesterday and was pretty disgusted by the fact that they had their news trucks there. I couldn't imagine being the parent of that child and having reporters and all these outsiders at the funeral. That is something where you have close friends and family come to, to comfort and support you at this time of need. The reporters were even stopping family members that were driving and interviewing them. It was even more crazy that aunts and uncles were actually answering their questions. The whole thing was bizarre, to me at least.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by Marcie
Posted by maybemommy10
I don't get how all 27 adults are alive and the three kids are dead. Not one tried to get those children out? Dead ass, if those were my kids or family/friends kids, I would have died trying to get them out alive. How are you not ashamed of getting off that boat alive?
This is exactly what my husband said tonight...
They DID try to save the kids. It's a horrible tragedy. I can't even fathom what those poor families are feeling.
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More divers arrived, but it was too late to save the three victims: a 12-year-old boy, his 11-year-old cousin and an 8-year-old girl, whose family had come along for the floating spectacle. Paramedics tried to revive the first girl they pulled from the cabin, the 11-year-old, but could not; the others were dead when their bodies were recovered from the sunken boat.
Even before all the bodies were found, there was a clear sense of hopelessness among those who survived.
A mother of one victim could be heard repeating, “He’s gone, he’s gone,” said Dave Asher, an emergency medical technician for the Oyster Bay Fire Department. “They knew they were in the cabin.”
Ms. Treanor, who wept as she spoke in the doorway of her home in Huntington Station, said that she and others had tried to rescue the children trapped in the cabin. “We tried to get into the boat for those kids.’'
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maybemommy10
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by nicrae
Posted by maybemommy10
I don't get how all 27 adults are alive and the three kids are dead. Not one tried to get those children out? Dead ass, if those were my kids or family/friends kids, I would have died trying to get them out alive. How are you not ashamed of getting off that boat alive?
Seriously were you there??? You have no idea how hard they tried to get those kids out. NO IDEA. People didn't have a choice of getting off that boat alive. They were tossed into the water. There wasn't an evacuation....it was one minute you're on the boat and the next you're in dark water. I'm sure the 74 year old grandmother who was saving her 7 year old granddaughter should really be ashamed that she also couldn't save her 11 year old granddaughter??
It is comments like this that make me wonder what is wrong with people in this world. Have some compassion for people that survived a horrific accident.
I am not a mean person and I do have compassion which is why I KNOW that if a child was on that boat i would have died trying to get them out. your child or mine. period.
I am not playing the blame game, i don't care whose fault it was, if any. Accidents happen, i understand that. It was not an accident that all those adults got off that ship alive.
I stand by my "opinion" if i got off that boat alive and my niece, neighbor or my child died i would be ASHAMED of myself.
How do you look at your brother and say, yeah there was an accident your kid is dead. HOW?
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by maybemommy10
Posted by nicrae
Posted by maybemommy10
I don't get how all 27 adults are alive and the three kids are dead. Not one tried to get those children out? Dead ass, if those were my kids or family/friends kids, I would have died trying to get them out alive. How are you not ashamed of getting off that boat alive?
Seriously were you there??? You have no idea how hard they tried to get those kids out. NO IDEA. People didn't have a choice of getting off that boat alive. They were tossed into the water. There wasn't an evacuation....it was one minute you're on the boat and the next you're in dark water. I'm sure the 74 year old grandmother who was saving her 7 year old granddaughter should really be ashamed that she also couldn't save her 11 year old granddaughter??
It is comments like this that make me wonder what is wrong with people in this world. Have some compassion for people that survived a horrific accident.
I am not a mean person and I do have compassion which is why I KNOW that if a child was on that boat i would have died trying to get them out. your child or mine. period.
I am not playing the blame game, i don't care whose fault it was, if any. Accidents happen, i understand that. It was not an accident that all those adults got off that ship alive.
I stand by my "opinion" if i got off that boat alive and my niece, neighbor or my child died i would be ASHAMED of myself.
How do you look at your brother and say, yeah there was an accident your kid is dead. HOW?
You make it sound as simple as a movie...where the parent is a hero or a hero who dies trying. If you cannot see and have no idea where to go, should the adults or parents have just purposely died to prove a point? Leave their other children parentless just to make a point, to die known as someone who tried to be a hero?
Can you not imagine that there was NO visibility of where the cabin probably even was? Should they just have submerged themselves under water to die? This is not a movie. It's real life, and I think it's very heartless to blame parents for NOT dying to prove to others they tried.
Should the woman, Madonna (forget her last name) who lost all her children AND her parents in that house fire at Xmas time, be ashamed she didn't die with her WHOLE family? Should she have just went in the house to burn to death along with them, to try to save them when she didn't have the proper means or skills or equipment to do so? Just as these adults didn't have the diving skills, masks, gear, light, etc, to get under a capsized boat to get into a cabin submerged in the pitch black of night?
You really think they should be ashamed they didn't die trying to accomplish something they could NOT possibly do without the proper equipment/gear?
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InShock
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by maybemommy10
I am not a mean person and I do have compassion which is why I KNOW that if a child was on that boat i would have died trying to get them out. your child or mine. period.
I am not playing the blame game, i don't care whose fault it was, if any. Accidents happen, i understand that. It was not an accident that all those adults got off that ship alive.
I stand by my "opinion" if i got off that boat alive and my niece, neighbor or my child died i would be ASHAMED of myself.
How do you look at your brother and say, yeah there was an accident your kid is dead. HOW?
So what you're saying is you'd have preferred to see all 27 passengers dead, so at least you'd know that they all tried to save the kids. 
Yours is such a high and mighty response. To say what you would do in such a situation shows such a lack of perspective.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
I am so sick of hearing the 'rouge wave' excuse. The harbor was PACKED that night with boats. Don't you think if a rogue wave came out of nowhere and sank a 34 foot boat that all (or the majority) the other boats out there that were smaller would have sank as well?
I am sure once these funerals are over, the charges and lawsuits are going to start to fly like mad.
Sure, money can buy a bigger boat...but it cannot buy common sense.
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Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
I too was wondering why no other boats saw this huge wave.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
In that kind of darkness, you would need someone trained as a rescue diver to save those kids, and by the time anyone would get there, it would be too late. If I were sitting on the next boat, by the time I got ym SCUBA equipment put together and on me, it would probably be to late, KWIM?
I wasn't there so I don't know how fast the boat went down, but if people did try to like, I don't know skin dive in total darkness, they probably would have been killed too. I'm sure people were frantically looking for the kids.
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No rogue wave. But I can see a rough wake combined with maybe turning to fast, plus too many people on board.
I don't see what blaming accomplishes. It's easy to sit in judgement, but don't you think they did all that they could? I'm sure they rather they were the ones who died. The superiority surprises me. These are not trash bag parents who left their kid in a hot car. They were parents who want on a boat with their kids hoping to catch some fireworks.
I also wouldn't say that I would have died trying to save everyone come hell or high water, or that the parents must be ashamed, because you never know if you will end up in similiar situation, and sometimes life throws you what you feebly think you could endure.. Especially when you're so quick to judge others. I'd watch what I say.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by lvdolphins
The whole thing is just tragic. I can't stop thinking about the poor children and families.
It really hit today when the news trucks & reporters were at the local funeral home today. The 12 year old boy's wake was held there.
Was that in east northport? I thought I saw cameras there!
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maybemommy10
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by InShock
Posted by maybemommy10
I am not a mean person and I do have compassion which is why I KNOW that if a child was on that boat i would have died trying to get them out. your child or mine. period.
I am not playing the blame game, i don't care whose fault it was, if any. Accidents happen, i understand that. It was not an accident that all those adults got off that ship alive.
I stand by my "opinion" if i got off that boat alive and my niece, neighbor or my child died i would be ASHAMED of myself.
How do you look at your brother and say, yeah there was an accident your kid is dead. HOW?
So what you're saying is you'd have preferred to see all 27 passengers dead, so at least you'd know that they all tried to save the kids.
Yours is such a high and mighty response. To say what you would do in such a situation shows such a lack of perspective.
YUP.
See I don't think its me being high and mighty at all. I think im just a MOM.
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maybemommy10
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by Goobste
Should the woman, Madonna (forget her last name) who lost all her children AND her parents in that house fire at Xmas time, be ashamed she didn't die with her WHOLE family? Should she have just went in the house to burn to death along with them, to try to save them when she didn't have the proper means or skills or equipment to do so? ?
YUP.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
I ask seriously .. Did something happen to you in your life where you were abandoned and no one rescued you, whether in a minor situation or major one? I'm not judging, just trying to comprehend your thinking here and wondering if it is fueled by a past experience.
I also ask, because my husband has a similar philosophy as you, he'd die trying to save whoever and wouldn't think twice, even if it he knew it were impossible.
You have twins, so let's say one was safe and one was not - and neither was your DH. Do you go in and try to save the rest, knowing it's impossible, and leave the baby in the safe haven? or take safe baby with you and all go down together? My DH rather we all go at once than leave one behind, KWIM? Even though I disagree, I can kind of see his thinking.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by cncforever
I ask seriously .. Did something happen to you in your life where you were abandoned and no one rescued you, whether in a minor situation or major one? I'm not judging, just trying to comprehend your thinking here and wondering if it is fueled by a past experience.
I also ask, because my husband has a similar philosophy as you, he'd die trying to save whoever and wouldn't think twice, even if it he knew it were impossible.
You have twins, so let's say one was safe and one was not - and neither was your DH. Do you go in and try to save the rest, knowing it's impossible, and leave the baby in the safe haven? or take safe baby with you and all go down together? My DH rather we all go at once than leave one behind, KWIM? Even though I disagree, I can kind of see his thinking.
Just because I wouldn't let a child die under my watch does not mean i am mentally unstable lol To answer your question, no. I guess I just have a different mind set then most here. Mine is not always a popular opinion ! and that is ok!
Here is a situation that happened recently : DH caught a decent fire (FDNY), and went back in to rescue a cat! (hes not even a cat person lol) It wasn't a 4 alarm or anything but still he could have been hurt. Most would NEVER understand that, and deem him nuts too, but if you ask him why he did it he would tell you "if it were my jack (our dog) i would want someone to go back in and get him." Imagine what lengths he would go to rescue a child.
But i gurantee you, if it were your child on that boat you would a weirdo like him to risk everything to save them.
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Re: Boat full of fireworks watchers capsizes near Long Island's Oyster Bay; 3 dead
Posted by cncforever
You have twins, so let's say one was safe and one was not - and neither was your DH. .
No man left behind. cept DH
I try to save my kids, DH can handle himself.
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