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MrsMerlot
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I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
I never had delusions of my place in the (work) world...I never thought I was more "marketable" than I really was..
So why is it these (kids) think they can graduate from college and land a job at a top-tier firm making six figures...just because....and then, they complain if they have to work more than 40 hrs. per week!
THIS IS HIGH FINANCE...it's a buyer's world...companies can pick and choose who they want...
I'm not "older" but I come from knowing - you work hard to get where you want...and I did...I busted my azz starting out as an accountant, and became a Trader...and all within 5 years and tripled my salary! I put in the hours, I sacrificed my weekends....I worked.
WHY?
Why?
Is it their parents I can blame? Is it their professors? Their friends? TV?
WHO?
okay...deep breath. Thank you. Thank you for allowing me this rant...
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
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MrsPJB2007
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
honestly--i blame parents and the PC society that our world has become.
parents who baby their kids and make them princes and princesses----that they are #1 no matter what. giving them anything they want just to make them happy....spoiling them rotten.
giving trophies and blue ribbons to mediocrity --- not wanting to have "grades" or rankings in competition cause it might hurt a kid's feelings. i think the world got soft---and the by-product is the young people who don't think they should have to WORK to achieve anything--it should be handed to them.
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bicosi
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
 I know how stressful this is. And I've noticed that alot of the older graduates seem to have a hard time grasping the whole work thing.
I think that because DH and I carry ourselves so well and because we DON'T complain, that they think that it's something that should be easy.
Unfortunately, I have learned to just let them be and they will have to sadly learn the hard way.
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Ophelia
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
it's all of the above.
I sometimes thank God I came from nothing. I was never handed anything..and I mean from name brand snacks in my lunch box to name brand jeans and sneakers.
I think some people forgot to teach their kids a work ethic, focusing instead on giving them whatever they wanted, instead of having them earn it. (and this can be done no matter how rich you are. Even Ivanka Trump had to work for her allowance)
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cjik
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
There have been a lot of articles lately about Millenials, these are the recent graduates in the workforce now. They do seem to have a sense of entitlement, and a lack of respect for people who have been in the job longer than them. I've noticed it where I work too. According to stuff I have seen, they also have trouble working on projects independently, since they have been in groups often throughout childhood and in school.
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| Posted 2/7/08 4:25 PM |
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
too many kids are overpriviledged..they think it's all about them..they're soft..nowadays we teach kids it's not about winning or losing, but having fun..I say EFF that..you gotta bust ur azz to be the best u can be..look at American Idol, every single one of them thinks they're a star...they'll have better luck at p0rn
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MrsB-07
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
I read on article on this... Gen Y (which I am actually) is more into quality of life then previous generations. It was interesting... the article said that more Gen-Y'ers will look for perks such as telecommuting or shorter work days rather than perks like company cars or something. And also, it's like an inflated ego thing. They think that top notch educations and grades slip them into 6-figure salary. I actually think I have a good work ethic, because my dad kind of pushed that and I'm happy he did. But I see others that I graduated with just floundering in the work world because they are always dissatisfied.
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MrsPJB2007
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
Posted by cjik
There have been a lot of articles lately about Millenials, these are the recent graduates in the workforce now. They do seem to have a sense of entitlement, and a lack of respect for people who have been in the job longer than them. I've noticed it where I work too. According to stuff I have seen, they also have trouble working on projects independently, since they have been in groups often throughout childhood and in school.
yeah--i saw a report i think on the today show or something similiar--about how this Millenials are being so babied and enabled by parents--that they have their moms & dads do their resumes and job hunting for them---and MANY parents actually GO WITH THEIR KIDS TO JOB INTERVIEWS!!! 
they interviewed one mom who basically can't cut the cord and insists on going with her daughter to interviews--and they were asking WHY and she said that she NEEDED to go so she could protect her daughter and help her negotiate her job and make sure she gets the best offer.
and she couldn't quite understand why her daughter wasn't making much progress
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BriBri2u
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
Funny you should bring this up. Over the weekend I was talking to my friends father's girlfriend - she is president of a very popular PR Firm Downtown - amongst other things.
She was telling me how hard it is to find people that ACTUALLY work; that all these "kids" that come out of college expect to be treated as if they are better than typing a letter or getting a fax off the machine.
They tell her that "its not my job" -  & they all want to make six figures without working for it.
She said she had enough and started firing people.
She told the last girl that said it "wasn't her job" - that if she wanted to make money and have the authority to tell people that it isn't my job - a year outside of college THAN she better wake up and smell reality...cause in her PR co you pick up the faxes...
I thought it was a great story...lol
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
I blame the dot.com era for a lot of it. Many of these were in high school when they heard about graduating & being offered the 6-figure job.
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| Posted 2/7/08 4:32 PM |
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
I think its generational. Meaning the next generation thinks that they deserve it all. They should be making 6 figures, and don't ever say the words "entry level" Oh the horror!
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DRMom
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
Posted by Beaver2be
Funny you should bring this up. Over the weekend I was talking to my friends father's girlfriend - she is president of a very popular PR Firm Downtown - amongst other things.
She was telling me how hard it is to find people that ACTUALLY work; that all these "kids" that come out of college expect to be treated as if they are better than typing a letter or getting a fax off the machine.
They tell her that "its not my job" - & they all want to make six figures without working for it.
She said she had enough and started firing people.
She told the last girl that said it "wasn't her job" - that if she wanted to make money and have the authority to tell people that it isn't my job - a year outside of college THAN she better wake up and smell reality...cause in her PR co you pick up the faxes...
I thought it was a great story...lol
See I am torn on this subject. In a way, I think it's great that the employee said that because it's true! Why should you bust your azz for 4 years in college and then take a job hiring you at a certain position if you are going to pick up faxes? IMO-the company should hire an admin who signs up for that sort of work rather than expecting degreed professionals to do admin work.
I probably have a skewed vision since I am in sales and work independently for the most part.
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
I learned my work ethic at home. My parents worked hard. My mom was a teacher and my dad has his own business. Maybe it was being the child of immigrants, but I learned that nothing is handed to you. You have to work for it.
Since I was old enough to work, every summer I had to either go to camp or work. I babysat, colated paper for $3/hour, worked at Express, temped in law offices and became a mother's helper/nanny. My sister worked at starbucks in her summers home from college.
I have never said, that's not my job. I'm a lawyer and even worked as my own secretary and receptionist at times. I still pick up faxes if I'm near the machine when something comes in and I know who its going to.
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Blu-ize
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
Posted by melijane
Posted by Beaver2be
Funny you should bring this up. Over the weekend I was talking to my friends father's girlfriend - she is president of a very popular PR Firm Downtown - amongst other things.
She was telling me how hard it is to find people that ACTUALLY work; that all these "kids" that come out of college expect to be treated as if they are better than typing a letter or getting a fax off the machine.
They tell her that "its not my job" - & they all want to make six figures without working for it.
She said she had enough and started firing people.
She told the last girl that said it "wasn't her job" - that if she wanted to make money and have the authority to tell people that it isn't my job - a year outside of college THAN she better wake up and smell reality...cause in her PR co you pick up the faxes...
I thought it was a great story...lol
See I am torn on this subject. In a way, I think it's great that the employee said that because it's true! Why should you bust your azz for 4 years in college and then take a job hiring you at a certain position if you are going to pick up faxes? IMO-the company should hire an admin who signs up for that sort of work rather than expecting degreed professionals to do admin work.
I probably have a skewed vision since I am in sales and work independently for the most part.
It's part of being a good corporate citizen. You do what you have to do. If the fax is there and you know who it belongs to..pick it up. Not all the time, but when you notice it needs it. It's the attitude. I work with plenty of very educated high ranking people that would never have this attitude. They are where they are because they have a good attitude and work ethic. It doesn't matter about the task. It's not your job...pppffttt! Right out of college knowing nothing...it's hysterical.
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MrsPJB2007
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
Posted by melijane
See I am torn on this subject. In a way, I think it's great that the employee said that because it's true! Why should you bust your azz for 4 years in college and then take a job hiring you at a certain position if you are going to pick up faxes? IMO-the company should hire an admin who signs up for that sort of work rather than expecting degreed professionals to do admin work.
I probably have a skewed vision since I am in sales and work independently for the most part.
not flaming you---but this exact thought process is WHY companies have a hard time with fresh out of college canidates.
why should they hire extra people to do jobs that these grad think are "beneath" them? you have to hire more people---create more of a budget just because some 21 year old thinks that sending a fax or typing up a letter is just not what they are supposed to do? the problem is the kids who have the "its not my job" syndrome. the employees who have been there a long time---had to work their way up the ladder--and so should they. its about paying dues and earning respect...not saying "hire someone else--cause i don't think i should HAVE to do that menial work"
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One of my law school classmates was convinced that he would land the best job of anyone in the class, not have to pay his dues and he'd make a ton of money. I have no idea where he got those ideas, other than the fact that he simply thought he was better than anyone else. He graduated near the bottom of the class, went to work in a schlockey firm and was humbled for a while. Deep down, the feeling that he really is the greatest thing since sliced bread has not gone away. I do not think that the rest of my classmates shared his outlook on life. I think that every generation has a few people like him. I sure hope that the entire generation of young people is not like this. I do have to wonder, though. When my high school friends and I had our after school jobs, we worked hard. Now I see young kids who think they should just be handed the paychecks for their part time jobs.
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I think a lot of it is generational, however, with that said, in my particular field, I have run into people a lot older than I am (I'm 32), in every job I've worked at including current job, who have that same exact sense of entitlement that is described in this thread.
There are always going to be people, regardless of generation, who expect to take the easy way out, who expect to have things handed to them, including but not limited to top notch salaries.
I also think that a lot of people who are older then myself and some of my peers, have a really hard time accepting direction from someone younger, or accepting that someone younger may, in fact, know more than they do, or be better at their job than they are.
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DRMom
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
Posted by Blu-ize
Posted by melijane
Posted by Beaver2be
Funny you should bring this up. Over the weekend I was talking to my friends father's girlfriend - she is president of a very popular PR Firm Downtown - amongst other things.
She was telling me how hard it is to find people that ACTUALLY work; that all these "kids" that come out of college expect to be treated as if they are better than typing a letter or getting a fax off the machine.
They tell her that "its not my job" - & they all want to make six figures without working for it.
She said she had enough and started firing people.
She told the last girl that said it "wasn't her job" - that if she wanted to make money and have the authority to tell people that it isn't my job - a year outside of college THAN she better wake up and smell reality...cause in her PR co you pick up the faxes...
I thought it was a great story...lol
See I am torn on this subject. In a way, I think it's great that the employee said that because it's true! Why should you bust your azz for 4 years in college and then take a job hiring you at a certain position if you are going to pick up faxes? IMO-the company should hire an admin who signs up for that sort of work rather than expecting degreed professionals to do admin work.
I probably have a skewed vision since I am in sales and work independently for the most part.
It's part of being a good corporate citizen. You do what you have to do. If the fax is there and you know who it belongs to..pick it up. Not all the time, but when you notice it needs it. It's the attitude. I work with plenty of very educated high ranking people that would never have this attitude. They are where they are because they have a good attitude and work ethic. It doesn't matter about the task. It's not your job...pppffttt! Right out of college knowing nothing...it's hysterical.
Well I am not right out of college(I am 33) and have done my share of working my way up. If I was asked to grab something out of a fax machine-I would probably do it. But in a "big picture" sort of way-I think this is just more of corporate bullsh!t. If I applied for a job that said: Account Executive:blah blah blah, admin...I would not take it. When I waitressed a couple of times we were asked to clean the bathrooms and I refused. Not my job-I get paid on tips and I get those at my tables not cleaning toilets.
So maybe I'm a b!tch, maybe I am not a good corporate citizen, but I have been gainfully employed since I left college with no major issues..
ETA: as far as picking up faxes for another employee-that is just good manners..I am more referring to jobs that are really NOT YOUR JOB being assigned to you. For example typing letters
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wannabemom
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
simply stated, they think that way becuase everything in life HAS been that easy for them
God speed to those kids.... life will smack them in the @ss soon enough
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cjik
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
Well if this recession is anything like the last one, a lot of the recent grads will have to lose the attitude. There were no jobs to be had at that time, and I wound up taking my first job at a low salary--there just wasn't room to negotiate.
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I once had a new grad fax a cover letter saying they were requesting an $80K starting salary in SOCIAL WORK!!!
Most people getting ready to retire from the field don't make that much!!
We had fun laughing at that one in my office that day. 
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JessInCA
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
I think a lot of people tell kids, with the intention of motivating them and encouraging them to do well in school, that if they go to college and get a degree, they will get a good job and make a lot of money.
They don't often add, "...AFTER you've started off at entry level, done menial tasks that you're overeducated for, kissed the boss's a$$, put in your time, paid your dues," etc.
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Posted by JessInCA
I think a lot of people tell kids, with the intention of motivating them and encouraging them to do well in school, that if they go to college and get a degree, they will get a good job and make a lot of money.
They don't often add, "...AFTER you've started off at entry level, done menial tasks that you're overeducated for, kissed the boss's a$$, put in your time, paid your dues," etc.
Agreed. It was like that in grad school for me. They don't tell you how competitive and well, flooded the social work field has become. It's not just a "corporate" thing. It's an employer's market in most fields nowadays. They can pick and choose who they want to hire and often it's not going to be a new grad who is very green.
I know that in my field, we have limited time to supervise and "hand hold" new grads, especially as funding gets cut all over the place, and the problems we deal with with our clients are even more complex in nature.
I know that sounds really harsh, maybe even mean, but I am just being honest ;).
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Goldi0218
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Re: I have to vent...and a question about LIFE
I am sure my opinion will mimic those of other posters but I am simply to lazy to read them all.
I think children and young adults of today have a sense of entitlement that we and our parents didnt have.
I think it is the responsibility of parents, regardless of income and the advantages they are able to provide, for them to instill a sense of obligation to one's self. Teach a child how to be self-sufficient. I was taught the value of education and how to take care of me. I do just fine. I was raised in privilege and I will be the first to admit it. My parents let us fall many times so we could learn how to deal with life as it hit us. I had plenty of disappointments and heartbreak (personally and professionally) to have learned very valuable life lessons regardless of my family's financial or social status.
Just a few months back I had been listening to a radio show in which they were talking about how management in Corporate America is told to encourage their workers with seemingly meaningless positivity through verbal praise an emails. After years of parents telling kids they are amazing and perfect at everything they do, these same people are falling apart because Mommy and Daddy are not there to do their jobs for them. They are having breakdowns and now managers need to coddle them. What the H is THIS all about? I don't get it. I wont get it. Do they teach this in MBA management programs? I go nuts when my supervisors thank me for doing what I am SUPPOSED to do. "Gee Leslie, thanks for writing that report." Um I HAVE to or Ill get fired. KWIM?
I also agree that we celebrate mediocrity as well. For some reason the idea of every kid getting a trophy or a ribbon for simple participation in an activity really irks me. Life is life. People win. People lose. Kids need to learn coping skills and how to deal with disappointment.
(ramble over)
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