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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Posted by JennCo
I guess parents dont care if their kids are sitting in a classroom of 40 students and 1 teacher.
parents don't care?? wow, sounds like you are the one that doesn't care! how about parents have NO other option but to go into work most of the time and they don't get any snow days and in this economy they can't risk losing their job (yes, most paretns don't have tenure at their jobs for security and pensions that they can fall back on either if they do).
so when school is open, you'll have to shovel out and drag yourself in just like the rest of us do
ITA
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
I understand your points i really do.We are very fortunate in our job. Im not trying to be mean. I rarely take a day off and only once for a snow day, I was pg. But working in NYC makes you bitter bc we ARE treated like babysitters.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
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ETA: funny thing is that many parents are starting to resent the idea that their NYC teachers are able to live so far outside of the city. there is talk of making NYC teachers live within the five boroughs like they did with other NYC jobs.
I totally and completely agree with this. I've lived in NYC all my life, and I know the chanting has begun.
wow - can't even imagine how many people this would put out of work, myself and the majority of my colleagues included. many including myself started out living in the city and have moved to the island. is there a reason other than for bad weather? cuz i don't see the point of this.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Posted by jewels
I don't think teachers deserve special treatment by any means just a little unerstanding.
ETA - I never understand these debates. Teachers sometimes come off as lazy or spoiled and others come off as teacher-haters. What's the point?
This I totally respect. I feel for my mailman who was just here 15 minutes ago to deliver my mail! I mean seriously getting it today vs tomorrow TO Me isnt that big a deal but he was here!
I agree with your ETA this is exactly what I was thinking when I first read this post and normally I stay away from debate posts but I couldnt help it! Between here and FB everyone is complaining about the snow.
As Sam Champion said the other day..."Listen people, ITS WINTER"
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
I work at a college *STATE and we are required to show up. Even when classes are canceled we are required to show up or take our own time. It is life that is how it is. I get being a teacher can present challenges and always been attacked but honestly I don't get the complaining about how the city schools never shut down.
If your a nurse, doctor, EMS, most state/local employees in general all are required to show up or take their own personal time. That is what your position is detailed and everyone knows this when getting hired. That is why some of us work close and take a hit financially in order to have this "perk."
As the argument that your not a babysitter but a teacher - i do understand it but in order for people to work a child must be watched. Many parents don't get paid days off and therefore must send their kids off to school since they can't afford childcare. As a teacher your almost as important as that parent to this child because in most cases they would be left alone. Think about it - teachers teach that child x amount of hours per day for whatever months and mentor that kid. That is a pretty big chunk of time in this child's life. SO although your not the "nanny" your really a second "parent" to this kid.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
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I guess parents dont care if their kids are sitting in a classroom of 40 students and 1 teacher.
Wow.
And I guess you don't care that there are parents who are struggling financially and NEED to go to work or risk losing pay that they can't afford to lose to put food on their family's table, or even risk losing their jobs because someone else DID make the effort to come in, and that not everyone has the luxury of family to help them or back-up childcare.
I didnt mean it like THAT! Im sorry because it came off like that. What I meant was that it Is less important that they are there with insufficient number of adults watching all those kids
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Posted by Hofstra26
As an ex-NYC teacher who lives in Stony Brook and had to travel into Flushing every day when it snowed I ALWAYS took a sick day. I didn't care who had a problem with it, the DOE can kiss my a$$. On a GOOD day it took me 2 hrs. to get to work and another 2 hrs. home, when it snowed...........there was NO point in even trying to get to work. Not to mention that most of the time the city doesn't even have the consideration to suspend alternate side parking so there isn't even a single place to park when you get to school. The one time I actually showed up because it wasn't going to start snowing till later (which it did) I left school at 2:40 and didn't get home until 7:30pm.
So while I get that whole argument of you have a job and you get paid to be there it doesn't mean I want to sit in a car for 15 hrs. to literally babysit (because on snow days it is what you're doing since they collapse classes since many teachers don't show up) and risk my life on dangerous roads because it's "my job". Do I think the city should close schools when there is a bad storm?...........H-E-L-L yes because it's a danger to the children, parents, and teachers who are all trying to trudge through 15 inches of snow to get there. It's not safe. But I will also say, because the city hardly ever closes............thank god for sick days! At least half of my 10 earned sick days per school year were spent on "snow days".
Noboyd is arguing that it's your choice to come not come to work but NOBODY says that teachers are babysitters. That's a ridiculous statement.
If the school is open, I am expecting my kid to be taught.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Posted by jgl
I understand your points i really do.We are very fortunate in our job. Im not trying to be mean. I rarely take a day off and only once for a snow day, I was pg. But working in NYC makes you bitter bc we ARE treated like babysitters.
And I think while most of us totally understand the standpoint of the teachers...its the attitude that we originally conveyed that because you are teachers there should be some special considerations that started the debate on here. It stinks no matter what the profession to have to go to work when the conditions to get there are sub-par, and I agree I used to work in the city and its not fun in bad weather...
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Posted by Kelly9904
As Sam Champion said the other day..."Listen people, ITS WINTER"
didn't hear that - love it - sad but true - wish it were spring already!!!
Posted by Nifheim
As the argument that your not a babysitter but a teacher - i do understand it but in order for people to work a child must be watched. Many parents don't get paid days off and therefore must send their kids off to school since they can't afford childcare. As a teacher your almost as important as that parent to this child because in most cases they would be left alone. Think about it - teachers teach that child x amount of hours per day for whatever months and mentor that kid. That is a pretty big chunk of time in this child's life. SO although your not the "nanny" your really a second "parent" to this kid.
put so well, ITA - it's part of the job
and i do feel bad for "my kids" at work when I have to stay home for DS because they miss me (or at least most do!)
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Posted by jgl
I understand your points i really do.We are very fortunate in our job. Im not trying to be mean. I rarely take a day off and only once for a snow day, I was pg. But working in NYC makes you bitter bc we ARE treated like babysitters.
Working in NYC I understand your frustration dealing with the snow and bad weather...I do. If you are making it all the way into the city to just sit in a classroom without teaching then I get why you would be bitter.
But your bitterness in the previous statement was mis-directed. I won't dwell on how hurtful it can be because I think teachers and parents need to be partners. I think the bitterness is towards your employer and/or their policies. Most people understand that...really they do!
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
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As an ex-NYC teacher who lives in Stony Brook and had to travel into Flushing every day when it snowed I ALWAYS took a sick day. I didn't care who had a problem with it, the DOE can kiss my a$$. On a GOOD day it took me 2 hrs. to get to work and another 2 hrs. home, when it snowed...........there was NO point in even trying to get to work. Not to mention that most of the time the city doesn't even have the consideration to suspend alternate side parking so there isn't even a single place to park when you get to school. The one time I actually showed up because it wasn't going to start snowing till later (which it did) I left school at 2:40 and didn't get home until 7:30pm.
So while I get that whole argument of you have a job and you get paid to be there it doesn't mean I want to sit in a car for 15 hrs. to literally babysit (because on snow days it is what you're doing since they collapse classes since many teachers don't show up) and risk my life on dangerous roads because it's "my job". Do I think the city should close schools when there is a bad storm?...........H-E-L-L yes because it's a danger to the children, parents, and teachers who are all trying to trudge through 15 inches of snow to get there. It's not safe. But I will also say, because the city hardly ever closes............thank god for sick days! At least half of my 10 earned sick days per school year were spent on "snow days".
Noboyd is arguing that it's your choice to come not come to work but NOBODY says that teachers are babysitters. That's a ridiculous statement.
If the school is open, I am expecting my kid to be taught.
If you taught in the city system the ongoing "joke" is that NYC teachers are paid babysitters. And yes, on snow days, your child is not being taught, they are being occupied until you can come pick them up. In all three of the schools I was at, it was the same way. There are a ridiculous amount of kids in every class when ALL teachers are in attendance but when many of the teachers call out for snow, they don't have means or funds for subs for all the classes so they condense the classes and it's literally a matter of maintaining order all day until the kids go home.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Posted by jewels
To answer the OP's question the answer is YES when my DS's daycare is closed for snow I do feel inconvenienced because I have no one else to watch him and even if I can get to work I sometimes have to stay home for him. So I do understand where the mayor is coming from.
That being said - I am a NYC teacher - and as a parent, and someone who worked for several years in Manhattan in the corporate world, I see both sides of the issue. People don't realize that teachers cannot just go in late like other professionals would. We are expected there at 8am or whatever the time may be. There is no flexibility to adjust hours, work from home or go in Saturday to make up time. Also many teachers call in sick on snow days (just like many non-teachers) and it really never is a normal day of instruction because there are substitutes or classes are split, etc. So yes I think we are babysitters on those days - and that's fine - it is what it is. I don't think teachers deserve special treatment by any means just a little unerstanding.
ETA - I never understand these debates. Teachers sometimes come off as lazy or spoiled and others come off as teacher-haters. What's the point?
I agree with everything you said. I am a NYC teacher and you wrote down what I was thinking. I get up at 5 to make it to my work in time. I would NOT make it to work on time, therefore, depending on what time I got to work would be charged a full day anyway. So, what would the point be for going in? Also, NYC schools do not close as often as LI school and they do not have a delayed opening.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
This whole thread just illustrates why there is a movement to require NYC teachers to live within the 5 boroughs.
I understand that it's an inconvenience to the teachers to have to come in because Bloomberg didn't close the schools.... but come on, if you have a 2 hour commute, that's because you CHOSE it. If you are working on a school snow schedule that conflicts with your kid's Long Island schedule, again you CHOSE it. You were not drafted into this system. Every job has perks and every job has parts that suck. You have to take the good with the bad-- the summers off with the snowy commutes.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
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This whole thread just illustrates why there is a movement to require NYC teachers to live within the 5 boroughs.
I understand that it's an inconvenience to the teachers to have to come in because Bloomberg didn't close the schools.... but come on, if you have a 2 hour commute, that's because you CHOSE it. If you are working on a school snow schedule that conflicts with your kid's Long Island schedule, again you CHOSE it. You were not drafted into this system. Every job has perks and every job has parts that suck. You have to take the good with the bad-- the summers off with the snowy commutes.
I had a 2 hr. commute and I was ALWAYS on time..........ALWAYS whereas I knew MANY teachers who lived in the 5 boroughs that were ALWAYS late. It's a silly a$$ argument to say that teachers in the city need to live in the 5 boroughs, living close doesn't mean you'll be on time. And really, as a principal, I would rather have someone who lives 2 hrs away and is always on time and misses 2-3 days for snow over someone who lives near by and is always late.
Aside from that, many, many, many of the city teachers live on the island and the city would lose a TON of good teachers should they require anyone to live in the boroughs. It's just stupid IMO.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Posted by jgl
I guess parents dont care if their kids are sitting in a classroom of 40 students and 1 teacher.
I expect the teachers to teach and do their job if they are at work regardless of the amount of snow or sunshine.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Posted by computergirl
This whole thread just illustrates why there is a movement to require NYC teachers to live within the 5 boroughs.
I understand that it's an inconvenience to the teachers to have to come in because Bloomberg didn't close the schools.... but come on, if you have a 2 hour commute, that's because you CHOSE it. If you are working on a school snow schedule that conflicts with your kid's Long Island schedule, again you CHOSE it. You were not drafted into this system. Every job has perks and every job has parts that suck. You have to take the good with the bad-- the summers off with the snowy commutes.
I asked this above - are snow days really the only reason for this? Never heard this before and think it's nuts. We're talking about a handful of days as reason to reject tons of qualified people. Don't get it. Those people take their sick days (we only get 1 a month). And I totally agree that I chose my long commute. Happens to be cuz I moved where I could afford - haha - but that's irrelevant!
had to edit my post again cuz i keep thinking about this - doesn't it say something that so many nyc teachers can't afford to live in nyc that it is a problem on snow days?!?!?! interesting. i know many choose not to live in nyc but many cannot. AND the area schools are graduating too many education majors when there are not enough teaching jobs to go around on long island. SOOOOOoooooooooo many issues here.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Posted by morgie124
Posted by jgl
I guess parents dont care if their kids are sitting in a classroom of 40 students and 1 teacher.
I expect the teachers to teach and do their job if they are at work regardless of the amount of snow or sunshine.
You can expect that but it doesn't mean it's what is happening. Sorry but it's the truth.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Posted by Jackie24
Hi! A childless special education teacher here. My question is do you feel inconvenienced by snow days? I feel extremely resentful when Mayor Bloomberg insists on keeping schools open so parents can go to work. Last time I checked we weren't babysitters but I do know that parents go to work when their kids are in school! I think its a terrible reason to keep schools open and endanger the safety of students and teachers by doing so. The DOE has had 9 snow days (I believe) since 1978. This is insane!!!!!!
If the schools are open, you aren't babysitting...you should be there teaching. If schools aren't closed...so be it. Use a personal day.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
As a teacher and a parent I will tell you. If the roads are bad I do not care if my school or dd's school is closed or not. We are both staying home. I would not let a superintendent decide if it is safe enough for me or my child to be on the roads. I dont care if I lose pay (and believe me I need it) our safety is more important so I would rather schools close if there is even a question about the safety
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
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Posted by Jackie24
Hi! A childless special education teacher here. My question is do you feel inconvenienced by snow days? I feel extremely resentful when Mayor Bloomberg insists on keeping schools open so parents can go to work. Last time I checked we weren't babysitters but I do know that parents go to work when their kids are in school! I think its a terrible reason to keep schools open and endanger the safety of students and teachers by doing so. The DOE has had 9 snow days (I believe) since 1978. This is insane!!!!!!
If the schools are open, you aren't babysitting...you should be there teaching. If schools aren't closed...so be it. Use a personal day.
When they shove an additional 20 kids into my room on top of the already 36 that I have then yes, I consider it babysitting.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
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As an ex-NYC teacher who lives in Stony Brook and had to travel into Flushing every day when it snowed I ALWAYS took a sick day. I didn't care who had a problem with it, the DOE can kiss my a$$. On a GOOD day it took me 2 hrs. to get to work and another 2 hrs. home, when it snowed...........there was NO point in even trying to get to work. Not to mention that most of the time the city doesn't even have the consideration to suspend alternate side parking so there isn't even a single place to park when you get to school. The one time I actually showed up because it wasn't going to start snowing till later (which it did) I left school at 2:40 and didn't get home until 7:30pm.
So while I get that whole argument of you have a job and you get paid to be there it doesn't mean I want to sit in a car for 15 hrs. to literally babysit (because on snow days it is what you're doing since they collapse classes since many teachers don't show up) and risk my life on dangerous roads because it's "my job". Do I think the city should close schools when there is a bad storm?...........H-E-L-L yes because it's a danger to the children, parents, and teachers who are all trying to trudge through 15 inches of snow to get there. It's not safe. But I will also say, because the city hardly ever closes............thank god for sick days! At least half of my 10 earned sick days per school year were spent on "snow days".
Noboyd is arguing that it's your choice to come not come to work but NOBODY says that teachers are babysitters. That's a ridiculous statement.
If the school is open, I am expecting my kid to be taught.
If you taught in the city system the ongoing "joke" is that NYC teachers are paid babysitters. And yes, on snow days, your child is not being taught, they are being occupied until you can come pick them up. In all three of the schools I was at, it was the same way. There are a ridiculous amount of kids in every class when ALL teachers are in attendance but when many of the teachers call out for snow, they don't have means or funds for subs for all the classes so they condense the classes and it's literally a matter of maintaining order all day until the kids go home.
So what is your solution? The minute we are 2 flurries we should close all schools.
DC's school was closed last Friday. We had 4 inches of snow. It was ridiculous that it was closed.
Just because it is snowing we cannot stop normal life. Stores are open. Businesses are open.
It's NY. It's going to snow. If we lived in upstate NY we would have 1 foot of snow every morning. Life does not stop in upstate NY.
Sorry for being sarcastic but school closings are not always necessary and DO create major problems for parents, teacher parents included.
Most of the reasons teachers do not go to work is because their own kids' school are closed.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
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Posted by jgl
I guess parents dont care if their kids are sitting in a classroom of 40 students and 1 teacher.
I expect the teachers to teach and do their job if they are at work regardless of the amount of snow or sunshine.
You can expect that but it doesn't mean it's what is happening. Sorry but it's the truth.
She's right. It's not. It's totally unreasonable to expect normal instruction to continue when only a fraction of the class is present and we have students split from other classes because their teachers are absent. I made plans yesterday afternoon to show Oceans and do some art activities if school was open today.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by jgl
I guess parents dont care if their kids are sitting in a classroom of 40 students and 1 teacher.
I expect the teachers to teach and do their job if they are at work regardless of the amount of snow or sunshine.
You can expect that but it doesn't mean it's what is happening. Sorry but it's the truth.
was thinking the exact same thing!!!
i hate that i cant teach on those days. but if i do my planned lessons i still have to teach them again the next day for the half of the class that was out! i still try to make it a productive day but it can't possibly be a normal school day.
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Re: A question for the parents about snow days.....
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Posted by Hofstra26
As an ex-NYC teacher who lives in Stony Brook and had to travel into Flushing every day when it snowed I ALWAYS took a sick day. I didn't care who had a problem with it, the DOE can kiss my a$$. On a GOOD day it took me 2 hrs. to get to work and another 2 hrs. home, when it snowed...........there was NO point in even trying to get to work. Not to mention that most of the time the city doesn't even have the consideration to suspend alternate side parking so there isn't even a single place to park when you get to school. The one time I actually showed up because it wasn't going to start snowing till later (which it did) I left school at 2:40 and didn't get home until 7:30pm.
So while I get that whole argument of you have a job and you get paid to be there it doesn't mean I want to sit in a car for 15 hrs. to literally babysit (because on snow days it is what you're doing since they collapse classes since many teachers don't show up) and risk my life on dangerous roads because it's "my job". Do I think the city should close schools when there is a bad storm?...........H-E-L-L yes because it's a danger to the children, parents, and teachers who are all trying to trudge through 15 inches of snow to get there. It's not safe. But I will also say, because the city hardly ever closes............thank god for sick days! At least half of my 10 earned sick days per school year were spent on "snow days".
Noboyd is arguing that it's your choice to come not come to work but NOBODY says that teachers are babysitters. That's a ridiculous statement.
If the school is open, I am expecting my kid to be taught.
If you taught in the city system the ongoing "joke" is that NYC teachers are paid babysitters. And yes, on snow days, your child is not being taught, they are being occupied until you can come pick them up. In all three of the schools I was at, it was the same way. There are a ridiculous amount of kids in every class when ALL teachers are in attendance but when many of the teachers call out for snow, they don't have means or funds for subs for all the classes so they condense the classes and it's literally a matter of maintaining order all day until the kids go home.
So what is your solution? The minute we are 2 flurries we should close all schools.
DC's school was closed last Friday. We had 4 inches of snow. It was ridiculous that it was closed.
Just because it is snowing we cannot stop normal life. Stores are open. Businesses are open.
It's NY. It's going to snow. If we lived in upstate NY we would have 1 foot of snow every morning. Life does not stop in upstate NY.
Sorry for being sarcastic but school closings are not always necessary and DO create major problems for parents, teacher parents included.
Most of the reasons teachers do not go to work is because their own kids' school are closed.
I think what we're talking about here is major snowstorms of serious accumulations which when it happens, the city especially is ill equipped to handle. Upstate NY is able to handle a lot of snow because it's part of their daily life in the winter, that is not the case on the island. Remember the first big snowstorm this year where they couldn't even manage to collect the garbage for over a week for goodness sake?
I think schools and businesses need to be considerate of a persons safety and if there is 16 inches of snow on the ground then yes, it's probably makes more sense for a school to close then deal with 400 kids and not enough people to care for them all day. And it doesn't just go for schools, on bad snowstorms my DH (who is a digital design engineer) even gets a snow day. It isn't worth risking someone's safety to be open on principle.
I don't get all the upset, we have a few big storms a year and maybe need a few snow days because of it...........so what? That's life. If you can make it to work then great, but I don't think you can really fault someone for not traveling out in bad weather.
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