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Behavior in school
My son is 6. He is going into 2nd grade and is in a 15:1 with a one to one. He is ASD and ADHD. But he has severe behavior issues. On at least 3 ocassions during the past 6 months, he has been sent home from school due to his behavior. The last day of school, they started calling me within 10 minutes of the start of the school day about his behavior. He was sent home an hour after the start of the day.
He was absolutely fine when I got him home. I do not agree with the decision of the school to send him home. I see it as a reinforcer. Has anyone dealt with this issue? What did you do? At what point do you say to the school, we need an out of district placement because you can't handle him? He is at or above grade level in all subjects but that doesn't reflect in his testing because of his behavior. Now that he is getting older, I feel like I need to be more agressive and proactive with the school because now his education really will begin to suffer.
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iluvmynutty
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Re: Behavior in school
The 1st step is a Functional Behavior Assessment (FBA) then a Behavior Intervention Plan (BIP) based on the outcomes of the FBA. Data should be collected and analyzed regarding the results and effectiveness of the BIP. A plan should also be be in place for severe/aggressive behaviors. He should also have a Behavioral Consult (Preferably with a Board Certified Behavioal Consultant/BCBA) on his IEP under the supports for staff section. He might need a 1:1 monitor to run the Behavior plan.
In the school district where I work, classified students are sent home or suspended if have displayed aggression/hurt students/staff or if they repeatedly distroy rooms/ are unsafe.
If they can not control/manage his behaviors after trying the BIP, an alternative placement maybe be necessary. At an out of district placement they have better tools in place to help students reduce behaviors and become more functional and independent.
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jamnmore
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Re: Behavior in school
Posted by iluvmynutty
The 1st step is a Functional Behavior Assessment (FBA) then a Behavior Intervention Plan (BIP) based on the outcomes of the FBA. Data should be collected and analyzed regarding the results and effectiveness of the BIP. A plan should also be be in place for severe/aggressive behaviors. He should also have a Behavioral Consult (Preferably with a Board Certified Behavioal Consultant/BCBA) on his IEP under the supports for staff section. He might need a 1:1 monitor to run the Behavior plan.
In the school district where I work, classified students are sent home or suspended if have displayed aggression/hurt students/staff or if they repeatedly distroy rooms/ are unsafe.
If they can not control/manage his behaviors after trying the BIP, an alternative placement maybe be necessary. At an out of district placement they have better tools in place to help students reduce behaviors and become more functional and independent.
He has a BIP in place for 2 years now. But every time he acts up, I get a phone call "Did he get his meds today?" or "maybe you need to adjust the med dose?" And yesterday he was at school for 9 minutes before I received the first phone call from school. The school is a 5 minute walk from my front door, so we will call it a 5 minute bus ride. He was put on the bus absolutely fine. What could have possibly happened in 5 minutes to have set him off. No one can tell me. He was not put on the bus in an agitated state. But in less than 10 minutes, could anyone have even really tried to de-escalate him? I don't know what the protocol is?
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Re: Behavior in school
I am in Queens so don’t have advice on the out of the district placement part, but this doesn’t sound right to me at all! It’s defininitely a reinforcer that he gets to leave school. For me, this would never work. DH and I both work and I couldn’t just leave to get him unless it was an emergency.
Honestly it sounds like either they don’t want to or don’t know how to deal with him and that’s not right. They need to figure it out. I’m sorry I don’t have an answer but if it was me, I would probably start looking into getting an advice from an advocate at this point.
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jamnmore
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Re: Behavior in school
Posted by Dolphinsbaby
I am in Queens so don’t have advice on the out of the district placement part, but this doesn’t sound right to me at all! It’s defininitely a reinforcer that he gets to leave school. For me, this would never work. DH and I both work and I couldn’t just leave to get him unless it was an emergency.
Honestly it sounds like either they don’t want to or don’t know how to deal with him and that’s not right. They need to figure it out. I’m sorry I don’t have an answer but if it was me, I would probably start looking into getting an advice from an advocate at this point.
I spoke to an advocate. Her statement to me is "where do you want him to go? There are not a lot of options on Long Island"
Maybe I just meet sucky people.
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Behavior in school
did they say what his behavior was that lead to them calling you to pick him up?
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Re: Behavior in school
What did the school say he did either on the bus or at school within those 10 minutes?
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| Posted 6/26/18 9:04 AM |
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What did the school say he did either on the bus or at school within those 10 minutes?
I got absolutely no answer when I asked this question. And when I arrived at the school he was sobbing about how much he was going to miss his teacher. Now, I know my kid. The fact that he was in tears over this, was totally not normal for him. He could not care less about his teacher. He has never expressed that he would miss his teachers, he's been going to school since he is 2. But I feel like they filled his head with this and contributed to it. And then when we went to leave, he was like ok bye. And his aide was like Can I get a hug. He did not care. He just wanted to leave.
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LSP2005
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Re: Behavior in school
Then I would not have taken him home. If there was no reason given, no documentation, it sounds like they wanted school to end early. Could your son tell you what happened?
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jamnmore
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Re: Behavior in school
Posted by LSP2005
Then I would not have taken him home. If there was no reason given, no documentation, it sounds like they wanted school to end early. Could your son tell you what happened?
The best I could get from him was that he wanted to be next to a certain friend and someone else was. He asked them to move and they said no. So my son pushed him out of the way which led to him kicking him. Ongoing problem with my son and this student. And it will not end because they are in a contained class.
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| Posted 6/26/18 1:17 PM |
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Aries14
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Re: Behavior in school
Posted by jamnmore
Posted by LSP2005
Then I would not have taken him home. If there was no reason given, no documentation, it sounds like they wanted school to end early. Could your son tell you what happened?
The best I could get from him was that he wanted to be next to a certain friend and someone else was. He asked them to move and they said no. So my son pushed him out of the way which led to him kicking him. Ongoing problem with my son and this student. And it will not end because they are in a contained class.
Well then that makes sense - if he put his hands on another student then they should have called. He showed aggression towards another student because he didn't get his way. I think that is grounds for the school calling.
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LSP2005
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Re: Behavior in school
Posted by Aries14
Posted by jamnmore
Posted by LSP2005
Then I would not have taken him home. If there was no reason given, no documentation, it sounds like they wanted school to end early. Could your son tell you what happened?
The best I could get from him was that he wanted to be next to a certain friend and someone else was. He asked them to move and they said no. So my son pushed him out of the way which led to him kicking him. Ongoing problem with my son and this student. And it will not end because they are in a contained class.
Well then that makes sense - if he put his hands on another student then they should have called. He showed aggression towards another student because he didn't get his way. I think that is grounds for the school calling.
So then you do know why they asked your son to leave. Putting his hands on someone else is enough of a reason to make him leave. Is your son in CBT?
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jamnmore
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Re: Behavior in school
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Posted by Aries14
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Then I would not have taken him home. If there was no reason given, no documentation, it sounds like they wanted school to end early. Could your son tell you what happened?
The best I could get from him was that he wanted to be next to a certain friend and someone else was. He asked them to move and they said no. So my son pushed him out of the way which led to him kicking him. Ongoing problem with my son and this student. And it will not end because they are in a contained class.
Well then that makes sense - if he put his hands on another student then they should have called. He showed aggression towards another student because he didn't get his way. I think that is grounds for the school calling.
So then you do know why they asked your son to leave. Putting his hands on someone else is enough of a reason to make him leave. Is your son in CBT?
He is in self contained. This all happened within 9 minutes of the start of the school day. But they need to de escalate him before sending him home. How could they have in 9 minutes. This is part of his BIP.
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Aries14
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Behavior in school
in my school - once a kid puts his hands on someone like that it is an automatic call
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jamnmore
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Re: Behavior in school
Posted by Aries14
in my school - once a kid puts his hands on someone like that it is an automatic call
Then where does the child get educated? If the school district can't handle the aggression, where does the student go?
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LSP2005
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Re: Behavior in school
IN my school it is an automatic call too. They have kicked kids out who do it more than a few times too.
With that said, deescallation means having the child removing their hands from the other person. It does not mean rectifying the behavior in my district. Rather, they put kids in seven to one classes, or homeschool, or private school education programs. They start getting more restrictive once it happens a few times.
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| Posted 6/27/18 12:07 PM |
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jamnmore
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Re: Behavior in school
Posted by LSP2005
IN my school it is an automatic call too. They have kicked kids out who do it more than a few times too.
With that said, deescallation means having the child removing their hands from the other person. It does not mean rectifying the behavior in my district. Rather, they put kids in seven to one classes, or homeschool, or private school education programs. They start getting more restrictive once it happens a few times.
I have asked for an alternative placement and the school is fighting me on it, they tell me he does not need it. But I can not leave work every time there is a problem. Their solution is that he spends hours in the office. Without a phone call.
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First, it sounds like the school can’t handle him. If they are calling you, have they tried everything in place already in the BIP if you get a cal 10 min into school, have they really tried all strategies? No. Second, they should complete a new FBA and BIP. Behaviors change. Next they shouldn’t be asking about meds and suggesting a dosing increase, you are the parent, not them.
Finally, out of district placement is considered when all options are exhausted. Have they truly done everything to meet his needs? Have they offered a BCBA consult at school? He is a special ed student and yes, putting his hands on someone is absolutely not ok, br sending him home reinforces the behavior rather than dealing with it, especially if escaping the school day is reinforcing to him...
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LSP2005
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Re: Behavior in school
I would get an attorney because for some districts that is all they will listen to.
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| Posted 6/27/18 12:15 PM |
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Re: Behavior in school
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
First, it sounds like the school can’t handle him. If they are calling you, have they tried everything in place already in the BIP if you get a cal 10 min into school, have they really tried all strategies? No. Second, they should complete a new FBA and BIP. Behaviors change. Next they shouldn’t be asking about meds and suggesting a dosing increase, you are the parent, not them.
Finally, out of district placement is considered when all options are exhausted. Have they truly done everything to meet his needs? Have they offered a BCBA consult at school? He is a special ed student and yes, putting his hands on someone is absolutely not ok, br sending him home reinforces the behavior rather than dealing with it, especially if escaping the school day is reinforcing to him...
This kind of all sums up how I feel. They send him to the office, I told them that is what he wants, you are reinforcing the behavior. Their response, we don't see how that is possible. He has to do work in the office. Yes I get that but he is doing it on his terms, no transitions, no rules, no one around him.
The first time they sent him home, they told him I was taking him to the dr for a psych eval. Yes they told my 6 year old that he was being taken to the hospital as punishment for bad behavior. And then the next day when I called the psych out on it, she said I never said that, you are misinterpreting what I said. I was standing there when she told him that I was taking him there and immediately told him I was not. A dr visit is not going to be a punishment ever.
Several times over the past 18 months I have asked them to stop referencing his medication. They continue to do it. EVERY SINGLE TIME I TALK TO THEM. Even though I have stated several times that they have no legal right to know.
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LSP2005
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Re: Behavior in school
Sending him to the office is not a solution. I would find an attorney to represent you and get what you need out of your district because it is clear they are not providing him what he needs. The fact that they are referencing his meds all the time upsets me so much. They should know better.
My own son had a regular classroom teacher who wanted to diagnose him and I called her out on it. I called the principal out on it too. I said where did she get a medical license? I would go to an attorney to fight for what your child needs.
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Re: Behavior in school
Posted by jamnmore
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
First, it sounds like the school can’t handle him. If they are calling you, have they tried everything in place already in the BIP if you get a cal 10 min into school, have they really tried all strategies? No. Second, they should complete a new FBA and BIP. Behaviors change. Next they shouldn’t be asking about meds and suggesting a dosing increase, you are the parent, not them.
Finally, out of district placement is considered when all options are exhausted. Have they truly done everything to meet his needs? Have they offered a BCBA consult at school? He is a special ed student and yes, putting his hands on someone is absolutely not ok, br sending him home reinforces the behavior rather than dealing with it, especially if escaping the school day is reinforcing to him...
This kind of all sums up how I feel. They send him to the office, I told them that is what he wants, you are reinforcing the behavior. Their response, we don't see how that is possible. He has to do work in the office. Yes I get that but he is doing it on his terms, no transitions, no rules, no one around him.
The first time they sent him home, they told him I was taking him to the dr for a psych eval. Yes they told my 6 year old that he was being taken to the hospital as punishment for bad behavior. And then the next day when I called the psych out on it, she said I never said that, you are misinterpreting what I said. I was standing there when she told him that I was taking him there and immediately told him I was not. A dr visit is not going to be a punishment ever.
Several times over the past 18 months I have asked them to stop referencing his medication. They continue to do it. EVERY SINGLE TIME I TALK TO THEM. Even though I have stated several times that they have no legal right to know.
Out of curiosity - what would you like to see them do?
Unfortunately the teacher has a bunch of other students so it is probably not that possible (or fair to the other students) to spend more than a couple of minutes trying to calm him down or change his behavior. Maybe once he goes to the office he does calm down? Sometimes removing them from the situation is the best and only way to get them regrouped.
But I agree 100% that students that put their hands on another student gets a call home and gets picked up. The school HAS to have a 0 tolerance policy on that - weather you think your child is only getting what he wants or not. At that point, its not only about your child but about the other child as well.
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Re: Behavior in school
Posted by Aries14
Posted by jamnmore
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
First, it sounds like the school can’t handle him. If they are calling you, have they tried everything in place already in the BIP if you get a cal 10 min into school, have they really tried all strategies? No. Second, they should complete a new FBA and BIP. Behaviors change. Next they shouldn’t be asking about meds and suggesting a dosing increase, you are the parent, not them.
Finally, out of district placement is considered when all options are exhausted. Have they truly done everything to meet his needs? Have they offered a BCBA consult at school? He is a special ed student and yes, putting his hands on someone is absolutely not ok, br sending him home reinforces the behavior rather than dealing with it, especially if escaping the school day is reinforcing to him...
This kind of all sums up how I feel. They send him to the office, I told them that is what he wants, you are reinforcing the behavior. Their response, we don't see how that is possible. He has to do work in the office. Yes I get that but he is doing it on his terms, no transitions, no rules, no one around him.
The first time they sent him home, they told him I was taking him to the dr for a psych eval. Yes they told my 6 year old that he was being taken to the hospital as punishment for bad behavior. And then the next day when I called the psych out on it, she said I never said that, you are misinterpreting what I said. I was standing there when she told him that I was taking him there and immediately told him I was not. A dr visit is not going to be a punishment ever.
Several times over the past 18 months I have asked them to stop referencing his medication. They continue to do it. EVERY SINGLE TIME I TALK TO THEM. Even though I have stated several times that they have no legal right to know.
Out of curiosity - what would you like to see them do?
Unfortunately the teacher has a bunch of other students so it is probably not that possible (or fair to the other students) to spend more than a couple of minutes trying to calm him down or change his behavior. Maybe once he goes to the office he does calm down? Sometimes removing them from the situation is the best and only way to get them regrouped.
But I agree 100% that students that put their hands on another student gets a call home and gets picked up. The school HAS to have a 0 tolerance policy on that - weather you think your child is only getting what he wants or not. At that point, its not only about your child but about the other child as well.
Allow for an out of district placement into BOCES that is designed to handle these kinds of situations. But they keep fighting me on it. Instead they call me, ask if he had his meds and then ask me to talk to him, so he calms down.
I get it that EVERY child deserves an education, but sitting in the office all day because no one wants to deal with him, he is not getting his education.
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Re: Behavior in school
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Posted by jamnmore
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
First, it sounds like the school can’t handle him. If they are calling you, have they tried everything in place already in the BIP if you get a cal 10 min into school, have they really tried all strategies? No. Second, they should complete a new FBA and BIP. Behaviors change. Next they shouldn’t be asking about meds and suggesting a dosing increase, you are the parent, not them.
Finally, out of district placement is considered when all options are exhausted. Have they truly done everything to meet his needs? Have they offered a BCBA consult at school? He is a special ed student and yes, putting his hands on someone is absolutely not ok, br sending him home reinforces the behavior rather than dealing with it, especially if escaping the school day is reinforcing to him...
This kind of all sums up how I feel. They send him to the office, I told them that is what he wants, you are reinforcing the behavior. Their response, we don't see how that is possible. He has to do work in the office. Yes I get that but he is doing it on his terms, no transitions, no rules, no one around him.
The first time they sent him home, they told him I was taking him to the dr for a psych eval. Yes they told my 6 year old that he was being taken to the hospital as punishment for bad behavior. And then the next day when I called the psych out on it, she said I never said that, you are misinterpreting what I said. I was standing there when she told him that I was taking him there and immediately told him I was not. A dr visit is not going to be a punishment ever.
Several times over the past 18 months I have asked them to stop referencing his medication. They continue to do it. EVERY SINGLE TIME I TALK TO THEM. Even though I have stated several times that they have no legal right to know.
Out of curiosity - what would you like to see them do?
Unfortunately the teacher has a bunch of other students so it is probably not that possible (or fair to the other students) to spend more than a couple of minutes trying to calm him down or change his behavior. Maybe once he goes to the office he does calm down? Sometimes removing them from the situation is the best and only way to get them regrouped.
But I agree 100% that students that put their hands on another student gets a call home and gets picked up. The school HAS to have a 0 tolerance policy on that - weather you think your child is only getting what he wants or not. At that point, its not only about your child but about the other child as well.
He also has a 1:1 aide who is there to implement his BIP and assist him through the day. It is her job to aide him when he is acting out. The classroom teacher is not required or expected to do it.
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| Posted 6/27/18 12:57 PM |
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Medication is 100% the parents choice
Unfortunately once there is aggression towards others , often times I have heard the school insists on psychological eval to see if meds needed .
Also I agree that if the school is calling you for behaviour , they are not managing the child .
I know of a parent , whose child has autism, and aggressive behaviour with hitting , but child is much older like 13 and district is placing him in a center
I think if they cannot manage him and keep calling you, then they have to place him in a different setting / school.
Maybe a parent advocate? Or attorney but I hear attorney costa a lot of money..
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