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MC09
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Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
Or is that only a thing when it's meant to prevent OTHER religions that are not your own from influencing politics?
Some people mistakenly believe that freedom of religion is used to impose their will and beliefs on all others.
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chilltocam
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Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
Great question! Wish people would remember the principles upon which this country was founded.
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| Posted 10/20/16 12:26 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
I often wonder how these people would feel if another religion's beliefs were forced upon them and affected the laws of the country.
I don't get it.
Church and State are 2 very different things.
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| Posted 10/20/16 12:26 PM |
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MC09
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Re: Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
Posted by chilltocam
Great question! Wish people would remember the principles upon which this country was founded.
Interestingly enough they seem to always remember the need for the 2nd amendment (well at least some of them accurately do) but they always seem to have trouble remembering the whole sep of church and state thing. Blatant hypocrisy.
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| Posted 10/20/16 12:29 PM |
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MC09
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Re: Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
Posted by NervousNell
I often wonder how these people would feel if another religion's beliefs were forced upon them and affected the laws of the country.
I don't get it.
Church and State are 2 very different things.
They would never stand for it.
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| Posted 10/20/16 12:30 PM |
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Re: Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
If you have access to Newsday.com, go check out the comments section on the article about Hindu and Muslim people asking for school holidays. Be warned, r=it is not pretty! 
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| Posted 10/20/16 12:41 PM |
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Ian&EmmesMommy23
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Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
i always say this. it kills me that people forget or just don't want to remember
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| Posted 10/20/16 12:44 PM |
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Re: Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
Here's a link if you can access the site:
Newsday
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| Posted 10/20/16 12:45 PM |
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Re: Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
Posted by MC09
Posted by NervousNell
I often wonder how these people would feel if another religion's beliefs were forced upon them and affected the laws of the country.
I don't get it.
Church and State are 2 very different things.
They would never stand for it.
Because as far as I know - the Republican party would have no other platform.
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MC09
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Re: Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
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Posted by MC09
Posted by NervousNell
I often wonder how these people would feel if another religion's beliefs were forced upon them and affected the laws of the country.
I don't get it.
Church and State are 2 very different things.
They would never stand for it.
Because as far as I know - the Republican party would have no other platform.
 "We want small government. Unless, of course, we're talking about your uterus or your bedroom. Then we want big government. Very very big government. The bigliest."
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| Posted 10/20/16 12:48 PM |
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MrsT809
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Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
Even now, the norm is not a complete separation like I think it should be. We are not a religious family so having dd come home from school reciting the pledge of allegiance referencing God does bother me.
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| Posted 10/20/16 12:52 PM |
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Kitten1929
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Re: Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
Posted by MC09
Posted by Kitten1929
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Posted by NervousNell
I often wonder how these people would feel if another religion's beliefs were forced upon them and affected the laws of the country.
I don't get it.
Church and State are 2 very different things.
They would never stand for it.
Because as far as I know - the Republican party would have no other platform.
"We want small government. Unless, of course, we're talking about your uterus or your bedroom. Then we want big government. Very very big government. The bigliest."
And I am not even saying that to be ass - their beliefs are small government, pro-life, anti-regulation, low taxation, right to bear arms, religious doctrine...they don't have a platform based on policy or action or what is best for the entire American population. They think of what is best for them, everyone else be damned.
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| Posted 10/20/16 12:55 PM |
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MC09
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Re: Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
Posted by BaseballWidow
Here's a link if you can access the site:
Newsday
We share an island with some very ignorant racist people. The level is astounding 
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| Posted 10/20/16 12:55 PM |
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Re: Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
I am very much for separation so much that i am not 100 % sure public schools should have off for religious holidays.
But what about when you see extreme cases like parents not seeking medical care for child because it goes against their relgion? Or lpolygyny as a religious belief (why is it illegal here? Is it because out founding "fathers" were of christian faith)?
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NervousNell
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Re: Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
Posted by stinger
I am very much for separation so much that i am not 100 % sure public schools should have off for religious holidays.
But what about when you see extreme cases like parents not seeking medical care for child because it goes against their relgion? Or lpolygyny as a religious belief (why is it illegal here? Is it because out founding "fathers" were of christian faith)?
Eh I kind of look at polygamy like... consenting adults- you want 5 wives- go ahead. I couldn't care less what other people do in their relationships. Have at it.
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Ian&EmmesMommy23
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Re: Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
Posted by stinger
I am very much for separation so much that i am not 100 % sure public schools should have off for religious holidays.
But what about when you see extreme cases like parents not seeking medical care for child because it goes against their relgion? Or lpolygyny as a religious belief (why is it illegal here? Is it because out founding "fathers" were of christian faith)?
i see what you're saying about the holidays. i just wouldn't want my kid penalized for taking off for Yom Kippur. It should be a one off, but thats hard to manage.
and yeah...i couldn't care how many wives someone has. they're stupid enough to do it then more power to them lol
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| Posted 10/20/16 1:26 PM |
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Re: Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
This is not a new issue.
The public school example is a great one.
If church & state were completely separate, schools should close for religious holidays.
When's the last time you saw your mail carrier on Christmas Day?
So pack those lunches and backpacks on Christmas, or whichever holiday, if this is how you really feel.
We want things to be black & white, except when we want them grey.
Disclaimer: I am not even the slightest bit Republican.
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| Posted 10/20/16 2:15 PM |
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Re: Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
Posted by LiveForMoments
This is not a new issue.
The public school example is a great one.
If church & state were completely separate, schools should close for religious holidays.
When's the last time you saw your mail carrier on Christmas Day?
So pack those lunches and backpacks on Christmas, or whichever holiday, if this is how you really feel.
We want things to be black & white, except when we want them grey.
Disclaimer: I am not even the slightest bit Republican.
The school thing could be left to a more localized policy. For example Syosset schools will get off for Diwali and NYC schools for Eid. But thats just to be fair obviously no separation
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stinger
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Re: Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
Posted by Ian&EmmesMommy23
Posted by stinger
I am very much for separation so much that i am not 100 % sure public schools should have off for religious holidays.
But what about when you see extreme cases like parents not seeking medical care for child because it goes against their relgion? Or lpolygyny as a religious belief (why is it illegal here? Is it because out founding "fathers" were of christian faith)?
i see what you're saying about the holidays. i just wouldn't want my kid penalized for taking off for Yom Kippur. It should be a one off, but thats hard to manage.
and yeah...i couldn't care how many wives someone has. they're stupid enough to do it then more power to them lol
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Re: Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
Posted by MC09
Posted by BaseballWidow
Here's a link if you can access the site:
Newsday
We share an island with some very ignorant racist people. The level is astounding
You need a strong stomach to read the comments. It sickens me that these people are our neighbors or worse, our children's friends' parents.
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NervousNell
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Re: Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by MC09
Posted by BaseballWidow
Here's a link if you can access the site:
Newsday
We share an island with some very ignorant racist people. The level is astounding
You need a strong stomach to read the comments. It sickens me that these people are our neighbors or worse, our children's friends' parents.
I dont' even read those comments any more because it's wretched.
People are so disgusting.
And we wonder why there is such an issue with bullying, mean girls, etc. If this is what is raising children, what can you expect from our society.
I personally think comments should be disabled on news stories. It only leads to hurtful, evil things being said.
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Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
Aside from Donald's myriad issues another big reason not to vote for him is because his running mate wants to legislate completely based on his faith. His Homophobia is truly terrifying and I cannot understand how anyone can be ok with this person being a heartbeat away from the presidency.
I understand why people are pro life, I don't agree but I understand. I do not understand how anyone could be opposed to marriage equality.
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| Posted 10/20/16 2:39 PM |
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Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
Aside from Donald's myriad issues another big reason not to vote for him is because his running mate wants to legislate completely based on his faith. His Homophobia is truly terrifying and I cannot understand how anyone can be ok with this person being a heartbeat away from the presidency.
I understand why people are pro life, I don't agree but I understand. I do not understand how anyone could be opposed to marriage equality.
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| Posted 10/20/16 2:39 PM |
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Re: Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
I always say this. We are not a christian nation, we have separation of church and state and should not legislate our religious beliefs and impose them on others. What if I was Jewish and wanted to make a national ban on pork products? It's one thing for me not to eat pork (and I am not forced to) but I shouldn't be able to unilaterally deny others that ability because of my religion. And that's just something silly like a food -- when it's applied to more fundamental things like marriage, etc it's even more abhorrent. You should not impose your religious beliefs on others period.
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| Posted 10/20/16 3:11 PM |
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Re: Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
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I always say this. We are not a christian nation, we have separation of church and state and should not legislate our religious beliefs and impose them on others. What if I was Jewish and wanted to make a national ban on pork products? It's one thing for me not to eat pork (and I am not forced to) but I shouldn't be able to unilaterally deny others that ability because of my religion. And that's just something silly like a food -- when it's applied to more fundamental things like marriage, etc it's even more abhorrent. You should not impose your religious beliefs on others period.
Good point. I think some people interpret upholding the constitution as one that was based on what the people of that time wanted (white christian male).
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