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IrishEyes
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Summer School Question
Does anyone know the summer school policy for Nassau County (or NYS)?
We have a cruise booked for this July and my husband was just informed that his son (7th grade, entering 8th in Sept) has failed Science and now has to attend summer school. When my husband informed the school about the one week cruise, they advised him that he is allowed 3 abscences but anything more than that will prevent him from getting credit.
We believe that he should attend summer school; however we have had this cruise booked for almost a year and it includes my inlaws (sister, neices/nephews and grandparents). Can he be left back for missing 5 days? He would still be in summer school for 5 out of the 6 weeks.
Thanks for the help!
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Re: Summer School Question
I believe it is New York State law that students are only allowed 3 absences. It has to do with the percentage of time he sits for the class and the amount of aid given the district by the state for summer school.
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| Posted 6/24/10 8:40 PM |
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Erica
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Re: Summer School Question
each school can be different, but when I taught summer school for western suffolk BOCES i was begging them to get rid of some students after the 3 absences - no such luck...they didn't care. Granted I stopped teaching summer school 12 years ago.
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| Posted 6/24/10 8:40 PM |
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Re: Summer School Question
That is ridiculous! They should let him make it up.
Can he take it again in 8th Grade? I know to some that sounds crazy but I totally understand how important and how long and hard a cruise is to plan. Especially with a lot of other people
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| Posted 6/24/10 8:47 PM |
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Re: Summer School Question
See if they will let him take it in two schools simultaneously so 9-10 in one school and then 11-12 in another school or a private school and then have them take the cumulative number of hours add up to make the requirement.
I took 10th grade math this way (SM II). I never took 10th grade math in high school - I wanted to be able to take Calculus in high school so my school district let me do this on my own $$. So I took the class twice during the summer to make the required number of hours. I had to pass the regents exam with a score over 85 for my high school to let me into 11th grade math (SM III) in 10th grade. So there is precedent out there for them to bend the rules.
The rule is that the student has to take X number of hours in a certain time frame. If you take the class twice, you will then meet the required number of hours.
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| Posted 6/24/10 9:06 PM |
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mrswask
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Re: Summer School Question
To my knowledge, this is a pretty standard policy. They need to be in attendance at the summer school course a certain number of days vs the total number of days the summer school program has.
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| Posted 6/24/10 9:26 PM |
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Re: Summer School Question
Posted by mrswask
To my knowledge, this is a pretty standard policy. They need to be in attendance at the summer school course a certain number of days vs the total number of days the summer school program has.
my sister had mono and it was a HUGE issue trying to get her through because she missed a week.
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| Posted 6/24/10 9:34 PM |
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Re: Summer School Question
Can you arrange to make up the time with a tutor?
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| Posted 6/24/10 9:46 PM |
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AngelaD1031
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Re: Summer School Question
I know FOR SURE that in the city they pass kids for way more than three absences. I have taught summer school for five years and have never had one kid left back due to not attending all days of summer school. I think it's more of a scare tactic than anything else.
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| Posted 6/24/10 9:48 PM |
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Re: Summer School Question
Posted by BigB
Can you arrange to make up the time with a tutor?
Back in HS I got the chicken pox and my mother had to jump through hoops but managed to get me a tutor which covered my week absence
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| Posted 6/24/10 9:51 PM |
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Re: Summer School Question
I've taught Summer School in Nassau County for almost 10 years and this is the policy. Because SS is only 6 weeks, the students have to be in attendance for a definite number of days. The curriculum is rushed, as it's a shortened period of time, so 2 days might not seem like a lot....but it's the equivalent of about 6 days of school time wise.
Some schools will work with you in the case of emergencies, but unfortunately for you, a family cruise isn't really seen as an emergency in Summer School land!
Good luck!! It's frustrating, I know! But I think they make it so difficult so that kids don't fail the courses during the year.
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BigB
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Re: Summer School Question
What would happen if the child just didn't go to summer school?
Will they leave the child back for just one subject?
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Re: Summer School Question
The child failed a class. I would not reward him by letting him take 5 days off from summer school to go on a cruise, rather than do the work that he should have done during the school year. Sorry...
I'm a hardazz with this stuff though, and as a teacher, maybe I'm seeing it a little differently.
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| Posted 6/25/10 10:36 AM |
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Re: Summer School Question
Posted by booklove83
The child failed a class. I would not reward him by letting him take 5 days off from summer school to go on a cruise, rather than do the work that he should have done during the school year. Sorry...
I'm a hardazz with this stuff though, and as a teacher, maybe I'm seeing it a little differently.
I completely agree with this. He failed the class, he pays the consequences. He is only in 7th grade, you don't want to be setting the standard that this is acceptable.
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| Posted 6/25/10 10:44 AM |
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Re: Summer School Question
Posted by booklove83
The child failed a class. I would not reward him by letting him take 5 days off from summer school to go on a cruise, rather than do the work that he should have done during the school year. Sorry...
I'm a hardazz with this stuff though, and as a teacher, maybe I'm seeing it a little differently.
This is a little different then a day trip to the zoo or a trip to the toy store or something. This is a cruise and the entire family is going. It will be hurting an entire family if he can't go.
What happens if he doesn't go to summer school? At least he is not a junior or senior.
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Re: Summer School Question
Posted by booklove83
The child failed a class. I would not reward him by letting him take 5 days off from summer school to go on a cruise, rather than do the work that he should have done during the school year. Sorry...
I'm a hardazz with this stuff though, and as a teacher, maybe I'm seeing it a little differently.
ITA
I know it is a tough situation with the cruise and all, but he failed and that is something that needs to be focused on.
I'd think either one parent stays behind with him, while everyone goes on the cruise, or find someone to take care of him during that week.
He shouldn't miss summer school.
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Posted by booklove83
The child failed a class. I would not reward him by letting him take 5 days off from summer school to go on a cruise, rather than do the work that he should have done during the school year. Sorry...
I'm a hardazz with this stuff though, and as a teacher, maybe I'm seeing it a little differently.
ITA
I know it is a tough situation with the cruise and all, but he failed and that is something that needs to be focused on.
I'd think either one parent stays behind with him, while everyone goes on the cruise, or find someone to take care of him during that week.
He shouldn't miss summer school.
i would have to disagree.
ok so he failed the class.. that IS a big deal.. but this is a trip that has been planned and im SURE paid for already. i think there are ways around everything.
i would punish the child in other ways.. no video games, no hanging out with friends during the week until his grades improve.
but to keep the child behind on a family trip that has already cost money and then have to have a parent stay behind as well is just silly. that would be a punishment and a financial loss for the entire family.
im sure if you fight you can get a tutor to cover the hours that he will lose. im sure its going to cost money but its probably less that the trip cost for this ticket that you would LOSE if he didnt go.
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Re: Summer School Question
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Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by booklove83
The child failed a class. I would not reward him by letting him take 5 days off from summer school to go on a cruise, rather than do the work that he should have done during the school year. Sorry...
I'm a hardazz with this stuff though, and as a teacher, maybe I'm seeing it a little differently.
ITA
I know it is a tough situation with the cruise and all, but he failed and that is something that needs to be focused on.
I'd think either one parent stays behind with him, while everyone goes on the cruise, or find someone to take care of him during that week.
He shouldn't miss summer school.
i would have to disagree.
ok so he failed the class.. that IS a big deal.. but this is a trip that has been planned and im SURE paid for already. i think there are ways around everything.
i would punish the child in other ways.. no video games, no hanging out with friends during the week until his grades improve.
but to keep the child behind on a family trip that has already cost money and then have to have a parent stay behind as well is just silly. that would be a punishment and a financial loss for the entire family.
im sure if you fight you can get a tutor to cover the hours that he will lose. im sure its going to cost money but its probably less that the trip cost for this ticket that you would LOSE if he didnt go.
I agree. I am a teacher and I don't think that punishing the entire family because the kid failed one class is the way to go. I'd also see about a tutor.
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Re: Summer School Question
Posted by Slightly-Taller
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by booklove83
The child failed a class. I would not reward him by letting him take 5 days off from summer school to go on a cruise, rather than do the work that he should have done during the school year. Sorry...
I'm a hardazz with this stuff though, and as a teacher, maybe I'm seeing it a little differently.
ITA
I know it is a tough situation with the cruise and all, but he failed and that is something that needs to be focused on.
I'd think either one parent stays behind with him, while everyone goes on the cruise, or find someone to take care of him during that week.
He shouldn't miss summer school.
i would have to disagree.
ok so he failed the class.. that IS a big deal.. but this is a trip that has been planned and im SURE paid for already. i think there are ways around everything.
i would punish the child in other ways.. no video games, no hanging out with friends during the week until his grades improve.
but to keep the child behind on a family trip that has already cost money and then have to have a parent stay behind as well is just silly. that would be a punishment and a financial loss for the entire family.
im sure if you fight you can get a tutor to cover the hours that he will lose. im sure its going to cost money but its probably less that the trip cost for this ticket that you would LOSE if he didnt go.
But wait, shouldn't parents (not just these parents but all parents) have been keeping track of their child's progress and report cards during the school year? It probably wasn't a secret that he was struggling in Science.
It does suck, it really does. But the child will think if he fails a class, he can not only go on a cruise, but bypass the 3 day absence rule.
I agree with the above poster that one or both parents should stay behind so the child can go to summer school and pass science. It's not a punishment for the parents if they can't go on the trip, it's just simply called parenting.
Maybe my mom was a hard a$$? But, if I failed a class, that trip would've been canceled so fast my head would spin.
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Posted by Ayne11
Posted by Slightly-Taller
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by booklove83
The child failed a class. I would not reward him by letting him take 5 days off from summer school to go on a cruise, rather than do the work that he should have done during the school year. Sorry...
I'm a hardazz with this stuff though, and as a teacher, maybe I'm seeing it a little differently.
ITA
I know it is a tough situation with the cruise and all, but he failed and that is something that needs to be focused on.
I'd think either one parent stays behind with him, while everyone goes on the cruise, or find someone to take care of him during that week.
He shouldn't miss summer school.
i would have to disagree.
ok so he failed the class.. that IS a big deal.. but this is a trip that has been planned and im SURE paid for already. i think there are ways around everything.
i would punish the child in other ways.. no video games, no hanging out with friends during the week until his grades improve.
but to keep the child behind on a family trip that has already cost money and then have to have a parent stay behind as well is just silly. that would be a punishment and a financial loss for the entire family.
im sure if you fight you can get a tutor to cover the hours that he will lose. im sure its going to cost money but its probably less that the trip cost for this ticket that you would LOSE if he didnt go.
But wait, shouldn't parents (not just these parents but all parents) have been keeping track of their child's progress and report cards during the school year? It probably wasn't a secret that he was struggling in Science.
It does suck, it really does. But the child will think if he fails a class, he can not only go on a cruise, but bypass the 3 day absence rule.
I agree with the above poster that one or both parents should stay behind so they child can go to school and pass science.
Maybe my mom was a hard a$$ but if I failed a class, that trip would've been canceled so fast my head would spin.
i see what youre saying.. and youre right.. there are progress reports etc. and my parents were such harda$$es it would have never gotten to the point of failing the class. 
BUT i do not want to get involved in how anyone parents their child or disciplines their child..
so to answer the OPs question.. i think you should look into a tutor. who are we to tell you whats the right or wrong thing to do when it comes to raising your kid??
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IrishEyes
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Re: Summer School Question
Thank you everyone for the input. I appreciate the responses to my question.
Unfortunately as life, this is not a black and white situation. I completely agree, as does my husband; that my ss needs to and deserves to be in summer school. We too are also torn, but this is a cruise that is a year in the making, fully paid for, and quite possibly the last group vacation to be taken with the kids grandparents.
My husband is divorced and that situation isn't the easiest. We have spoken to ss numerous times about school, we have helped him study, work on projects, bought new folders to organize his work and on and on. My husband has spoken to his son's mother a few times throughout the year - trying to stress the importance of school and where sports and 'extras' should be secondary to grades and homework. Unfortunately most of it falls on deaf ears, because somehow she always makes everything about her and not the kids. She doesn't want to hear it because he is 'attacking' her.
We went to the school and spoke with the guidance counselor (as well as the teachers) and the guidance counselor told us that we should take him to a real college campus and have him look around. It will give him incentive to work harder if he knows that hard work will bring him a nice college campus experience - he also said, "what are we talking about a few missing homeworks and a couple of failed tests? He'll be fine, the school year is early"
I am not in any way, blaming everyone for SS failing this class. I think he is more than capable, but was lazy. We think he should endure summer school, and he will be going, but the question is; how to handle the cruise? Do we have him stay home and miss the family time and experience and memories or do we hire a tutor to make up for the 5 missed days. A lot of money was paid for the cruise and while there is insurance, summer school is not a reason covered by insurance. Who knows yet, but something we'll need to decide and be ok with.
Thanks for the help, answers and support - it is much appreciated!
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Re: Summer School Question
I'm not commenting on what I think should happen with this kid or how he should be disciplined, frankly that's none of my business.
Possible solution?
I noticed you said your DH's son, so I'm assuming, you're not his biological mother which raises the question...
Is it possible just for the week that you are away you can have him stay with his mother that week?
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MrsPJB2007
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Re: Summer School Question
Posted by IrishEyes
I am not in any way, blaming everyone for SS failing this class. I think he is more than capable, but was lazy. We think he should endure summer school, and he will be going, but the question is; how to handle the cruise? Do we have him stay home and miss the family time and experience and memories or do we hire a tutor to make up for the 5 missed days. A lot of money was paid for the cruise and while there is insurance, summer school is not a reason covered by insurance. Who knows yet, but something we'll need to decide and be ok with.
I think this is something that you guys are really going to have to sit down, maybe even with SS, and hash out the best decision.
If you get a tutor, so he can go on the cruise, make sure you make the rest of his summer tough! I'm thinking lots of time in the library and asking the guidance counselor for some assignments your SS can do in various subjects, that you and your DH check him on, i.e. quizzes, reports, books to read, etc.
If he stays behind, clearly that will be punishment enough, and he will likely learn his lesson from this to make sure he keeps his grades up the whole year.
I do not envy the choices you have to make right now, good luck!
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Re: Summer School Question
I don't think he should be rewarded for failing.
I think it may do him a disservice by thinking that even if he screws up and fails, he will not suffer the consequences.
Assuming the school even lets you get a tutor to make up the days, thats one thing. But I would be more concerned with the lesson that I am teaching him regarding his responsibility to do well in school.
It's a tough spot and there's no easy answer, but my gut tells me that if it were my child, he'd be staying in summer school w/his bio mother.
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Re: Summer School Question
Posted by booklove83
The child failed a class. I would not reward him by letting him take 5 days off from summer school to go on a cruise, rather than do the work that he should have done during the school year. Sorry...
I'm a hardazz with this stuff though, and as a teacher, maybe I'm seeing it a little differently.
I agree 100%!
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