Guns in schools

So the whole grizzly bear threat is making me think about my position and how I would have answered that question. Part of me thinks that my children would be safer if we had armed security or a police presence at the schools. So, I am not sure that there is NO place in schools for guns. I feel like until there is better anti-gun legislation across the board, at least give the schools some protection. I don't think there should be random guns in case there is a wild grizzly, but I'm talking about trained, armed professionals.

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I'm actually pretty pro-gun. I also don't think that the right to bear arms will ever go away… I feel like there's a lot of fear mongering on the right about that… But I don't think that will ever ever be overturned Unlike issues like abortion and women's right stuff… I just don't think the right to bear arms is ever in danger


I actually wouldnt mind to see a police presence at school… Or at least armed security guards.

I would also like to see potential problem students identified and receiving help.

I love my school and the admin and specifically the one guy who is kind of in charge of security… But I also see that it's very overwhelming job and hard to maintain. I hate to even think this… But there is one classroom that is basically all windows… And it's right there out front… And one of my biggest fears was a random shooting by some loon.

Her grizzly comment was kind of ridiculous though.

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By the way… Did we ever discuss this video?

This is the MOST powerful video on school shootings ever

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My daughter's schools have both had armed police officers at the front desks, and visitors must be buzzed in. I am comfortable with that. Anything beyond, no. Only trained LEOs.

The idea of arming teachers seems to pop up from time to time, which always concerned me. After a certain age, it would take very little for a student to disarm a teacher. So I find that idea foolish, with a lot of potential for disaster.

And I also live in a town where bear sightings are fairly regular. And there have been times where the kids were kept in for recess because of bobcat sightings. But I do not think guns are needed in either instance.

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I believe schools should have armed guards. Absolutely. In this day and age i would feel a lot safer knowing there was a trained, armed security presence at my DD's school.

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I think about the huge issue we are dealing with recently with police shootings and whether or not each is justified. I don't think we need to introduce that issue inside our schools. Obviously it's a very sensitive issue but I don't think I could get behind it.

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Guns should not be in schools at all. One armed security guard is not a guarantee that it will save anyone. It might cause more issues that it solves.

I think that teaching lock down drills and training on what to do in case something does occur will help more. That goes for teacher as well as students.

The grizzly statement was just stupid.

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No secret I'm very anti-gun. After Sandy Hook I really thought about this and I still think guns would bring more bad than good.

Think about a child obtaining a gun in school (people are stupid, leave guns where they shouldn't, kids are sneaky and get into stuff they aren't supposed to.

Having a teacher or security guard go crazy. What happens if someone who has a gun has a mental illness or a lapse in judgement and shoots a child.

Also having a gun doesn't mean someone can't get into a school. It also doesn't mean you can stop someone before they shoot you.

I think we need to spend money better protecting or schools. All schools should have self locking doors. I know in my district in our elementary schools we renovating our main entrances to have a no entry past the office design. We need to spend money on mental health training for our teachers to help deal with student shootings and seeing the warning signs.

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The funny thing is, the school she referenced does not have a gun on campus.

Large fence and bear spray, but no gun.

It was on The Daily Show last night.

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There were 2 armed security officers at Columbine and they weren't able to stop the massacre from happening.

So many questions raised:

A guard may be able to stop an outside intruder from coming in, but how would armed guards be effective at stopping a shooting if a kid brought a gun to school and started shooting in a distant part of the building for example? By the time security got to the shooter there could be an untold number of victims. They might be successful at lessening the number of victims, but not stop it.

What about a situation like the trenchcoat mafia, where there are multiple shooters that might possibly outnumber the guard(s).

The guard(s) could be killed in the process, leaving the faculty and students unable to defend themselves until police arrive.

The student(s) could disarm the guard(s) and use their weapons against them.

What kind of training would these officers have when dealing with an elementary school student who opened fire at school? Put him down?

The $. Budgets are already tight and taxes are already high.

You could install metal detectors, but the kid could bypass it and still bring weapons into the school. Especially in HS.

It's such a dicey and shit.ty situation all around.

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How she should have answered, as a Republican who is supposed to side with the NRA etc.:
"Well of course I believe there are special circumstances where armed security personnel are required in case of a threat by someone who's is armed etc etc etc"

How she answered:
"Uh, yeah no maybe I think we need someone with a shotgun to kill grizzly bears in Wyoming"



As for the original question: no question about it. I think armed personnel should be in every school. I bet you that no matter how loudly the parents of those poor 20 children murdered in Sandy hook oppose guns, they WISH there was an armed guard at the door that day.

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Hmm, I got the sense that the guns in schools issue was more about what happened in Texas, where they made a state law that allowed students to carry concealed weapons on campus, not the institution of armed security professionals in schools.

I will tell you as someone who works in a school that, as great as it sounds in theory, this would influence building culture in a way that I think is unhealthy, similar to the way it feels when you have to pass through a metal detector to get into a school building. Schools should feel warm and safe, not like a war zone where armed guards pacing the halls indicate that there is a threat to fear. They also double-down on gun culture, which is contagious. It doesn't happen in a vacuum, so kids see that modeled, and some of them will bring weapons to school (illegally, if necessary) BECAUSE they see the staff in the building as a threat and refuse to feel defenseless in the face of that, especially in populations who are suspicious of authority.

As far as federally enforcing students' rights to carry and conceal on campus, that sh** is bananas. I couldn't imagine being forced to face that kind of environment in order to educate myself. Thank God I live in New York.

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I am pro gun...but they do NOT belong in schools.

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No, I don't think the answer to gun violence is more guns, especially in schools.

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I honestly have no idea if armed security guards would make a difference in certain types of school shootings. But, the one thing i know I am NOT for is teachers being trained and armed. This is an idea that I have heard a lot of pro-gun people floating around.

Too much room for error.