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Police Chase & The Supreme Court


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Justices Take Up Police Use of Lethal Force

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By LINDA GREENHOUSE

WASHINGTON, Feb. 26 — There was no dispute in the Supreme Court on Monday about the disastrous consequences of a high-speed police chase over the back roads of a rural Georgia county six years ago.

A deputy sheriff caught up with the car that he and other officers were pursuing and, still traveling at high speed, rammed it with his own car, causing an accident that left Victor Harris, the 19-year-old driver, a quadriplegic. Mr. Harris’s original offense that set off the chase: driving 73 miles an hour in a 55-mile-an-hour zone. The Coweta County police delivered speeding citations to his hospital room.

The question for the court was whether the forcible termination of the chase had been reasonable under the circumstances, or whether a jury should at least be permitted to consider Mr. Harris’s claim that Deputy Sheriff Timothy Scott violated his constitutional rights by unreasonable application of deadly force. At issue were the standards to apply to such a determination.

The United States Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit, based in Atlanta and not known for being overly solicitous toward criminal defendants, ruled in 2005 that Mr. Harris was entitled to take his suit for damages to a jury. The appeals court refused to give Deputy Scott either summary judgment or immunity, basing its ruling on a series of Supreme Court decisions from the 1980s that set boundaries on the use of deadly police force against fleeing criminal suspects.

But the lawyers arguing for the deputy, both Philip W. Savrin of Atlanta and Gregory G. Garre, a deputy solicitor general in the Justice Department, argued that those precedents were not relevant, given the particular danger that Mr. Harris’s driving, at speeds of up to 90 miles an hour on dark and winding country roads, had posed to other drivers.

The court’s leading precedent, Tennessee v. Garner, from 1985, held that the police had acted unreasonably in shooting an unarmed suspect in the back as he fled from a house he was suspected of burglarizing.

But this case, Scott v. Harris, No. 05-1631, is “fundamentally different from Garner,” Mr. Garre said. When the deputy decided to use force, Mr. Garre continued, he “reasonably determined” that Mr. Harris “posed a grave threat to other motorists, the police and any bystanders who might come in his way.”

Most justices appeared to agree rather readily, describing their reactions to watching a videotape of the pursuit, made by an automatic camera mounted on the deputy’s dashboard, which is part of the record of the case. “He created the scariest chase I ever saw since ‘The French Connection,’ ” Justice Antonin Scalia observed. Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. told Craig T. Jones, Mr. Harris’s lawyer, that his client “created a tremendous risk” to other drivers.

Only Justices John Paul Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsburg raised the question of whether it would have been more reasonable for the police simply to have abandoned the chase. “If the police weren’t after him, there is no indication that he would have been speeding,” Justice Ginsburg said.

Justice Stevens raised the issue repeatedly. When Mr. Garre gave a hair-raising description of Mr. Harris’s behavior in trying to elude the police, Justice Stevens observed, “Before being chased he hadn’t done any of this.”

And when Deputy Scott’s lawyer, Mr. Savrin, said he had decided to intercept Mr. Harris after concluding that there was “a high likelihood, in fact a probability,” that harm would otherwise come to others on the road, Justice Stevens asked, “Would that have been likely if the officer had discontinued the chase?”

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. intervened several times to depict the deputy’s behavior as reasonable. “Is it reasonable to suppose that there might be something more going on if the guy is trying this hard to get away from a speeding ticket?” the chief justice asked at one point. Later he suggested that the car might have been stolen or that the deputy could have assumed Mr. Harris was being pursued “for mass murder or terrorism.”

With the court seemingly set against him, it was not easy for Mr. Harris’s lawyer, Mr. Jones, to get much traction during his 30 minutes at the lectern. His client was “an unsafe driver,” he said, but was not an aggressor. Mr. Harris even used his turn signal when he passed other cars, Mr. Jones noted.

That drew a sarcastic response from Justice Anthony M. Kennedy. “He used the turning signal!” Justice Kennedy said, adding, “That’s like the strangler who observes the ‘no smoking’ sign.”

For deadly force to be justified under the Fourth Amendment’s ban on unreasonable seizure, Mr. Jones persisted, “something more than just unsafe flight” is required. The rule the Supreme Court set 22 years ago in the Garner case to protect fleeing suspects should apply in this setting as well, he said, adding:

“The rule simply says you don’t kill him just because he is driving unsafely. And it simply says that if the choice is between killing him and letting him go, you have to let him go if the Garner factors aren’t present. And we find nothing in the law and no reason to create a new exception in the law that says that Garner doesn’t apply if you’re fleeing by vehicle.”


I know it's a long article. What are your thoughts?

Message edited 2/27/2007 2:55:51 PM.

Posted 2/27/07 2:50 PM
 
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Re: Police Chase & The Supreme Court

Can you cut it down to ten words or less? Chat Icon I got lost in there. I did try to read it, but wow, too much for my tired brain! Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 2/27/07 2:53 PM
 

Hi-Fi55
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Re: Police Chase & The Supreme Court

Here is a shorter article that summarizes what has been going on.

Shorter Article

Posted 2/27/07 2:58 PM
 

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Re: Police Chase & The Supreme Court

I think he has a case. I don't think a police officer should have rammed his car into the driver simply because he was speeding. I don't think 73 in a 55 zone is that uncommon and it makes me wonder if there are other factors that were not allowed to be brought in.

It would be interesting to hear what the justices would think if they didn't have a videotape of the incident. What I mean is whether or not the outcome of this case, with the same facts, would have been different if it were tried 30 years ago - before the technology was available.

Posted 2/27/07 4:48 PM
 

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Re: Police Chase & The Supreme Court

Posted by dpli

I think he has a case. I don't think a police officer should have rammed his car into the driver simply because he was speeding. I don't think 73 in a 55 zone is that uncommon and it makes me wonder if there are other factors that were not allowed to be brought in.



The officer didn't ram his car into the person simply b/c he was speeding. The guy led police on a high speed car chase at speeds of up to 90 miles/hour. At those speeds, he was a danger to other cars on the road. I think the police had a right to try to stop him. He knowingly engaged in (and initiated) a dangerous high speed chase. I don't think he should be allowed to recover damages.

Posted 2/27/07 7:09 PM
 

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Re: Police Chase & The Supreme Court

Posted by MrsS2005

Posted by dpli

I think he has a case. I don't think a police officer should have rammed his car into the driver simply because he was speeding. I don't think 73 in a 55 zone is that uncommon and it makes me wonder if there are other factors that were not allowed to be brought in.



The officer didn't ram his car into the person simply b/c he was speeding. The guy led police on a high speed car chase at speeds of up to 90 miles/hour. At those speeds, he was a danger to other cars on the road. I think the police had a right to try to stop him. He knowingly engaged in (and initiated) a dangerous high speed chase. I don't think he should be allowed to recover damages.



I understand that, but I agree with Justice stevens in this part of the article:

Only Justices John Paul Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsburg raised the question of whether it would have been more reasonable for the police simply to have abandoned the chase. “If the police weren’t after him, there is no indication that he would have been speeding,” Justice Ginsburg said.

Posted 2/27/07 7:33 PM
 
 

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