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MissJones
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Hear me out here...
watching CSI and often they say that prints don't show up in the database. Okay, I know it's tv, but let's keep going.
Well, I suppose that their database is filled with prints of criminals. But everyone who commits a crime must commit their FIRST crime, right, so if they were never a criminal, then their prints won't be on a database.
So why isn't every fingerprinted when they get a license?
Then there would be a database of every person 16 and up for the most part to compare prints to.
Why is this not done? 
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Christine
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Re: Hear me out here...
It probably has to do with privacy rights.
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| Posted 3/8/08 8:34 PM |
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Shroggie
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Re: Hear me out here...
I like that idea
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| Posted 3/8/08 8:35 PM |
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Michi
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Re: Hear me out here...
i like that idea too--when a crime is involved either as the criminal or victim i dont think there should be privacy limitations
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| Posted 3/8/08 8:39 PM |
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igottabeme
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Re: Hear me out here...
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I like that idea
ditto. if you have nothing to hide no one should complain about it.
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| Posted 3/8/08 8:50 PM |
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wannabemom
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Re: Hear me out here...
it's a complete invasion of privacy. Criminals can have some of their rights forfeited upon arrest (fingerprints) and conviction (dna samples, sex offender lists, loss of voting rights).... but a person who has always been law abiding is entitled to keep their biological info (finger prints, retinal scans, dental records, DNA) private.
In a perfect world, everyone would have this information in a gov't file, and no one would misuse it. However, our consitution is designed to limit gov't powers over the individual, mainly becuase if it didn't, abuse would be rampant.
(ex... before you knew it, citizens DNA info would be leaked to insurance companies, and they wouldn't cover conditions that a person is genetically suceptible to such as cancer, diabetes, heart disease)
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| Posted 3/8/08 8:56 PM |
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Goldi0218
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Re: Hear me out here...
I think it has Orwell-ian implications. Not a fan of the idea.
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| Posted 3/8/08 8:57 PM |
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JodiBabe
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I like that idea alot!!!
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| Posted 3/8/08 9:07 PM |
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Do you want to pay the tax increase to maintain such a database and hire the staff it would take for the extra time and money to do the fingerprints?
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| Posted 3/8/08 9:18 PM |
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MissJones
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Re: Hear me out here...
Posted by Kerie-is-so-very
Do you want to pay the tax increase to maintain such a database and hire the staff it would take for the extra time and money to do the fingerprints?
Excellent point but I'm sure that any mother or father that lost their child to murder would say that they'd pay any amount of money if it would have prevented a killer from either getting away and killing again or from having their child be someone's 2nd victim. KWIM???
And on top of that, I would think that the time and energy AND MONEY wasted by NOT having such a system would outweigh the costs of something like this.
And yes, it probably is an invasion of privacy, but you know, it used to be that your SS# was something that nobody knew. Now, anyone get it. Anyone can get your c/c #, your bank account #, etc. Those are invasions of privacy that cost our country billions in identity theft.
I also think we've given up more than we know in terms of privacy.
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| Posted 3/8/08 9:30 PM |
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Re: Hear me out here...
Posted by MissJones
Posted by Kerie-is-so-very
Do you want to pay the tax increase to maintain such a database and hire the staff it would take for the extra time and money to do the fingerprints?
Excellent point but I'm sure that any mother or father that lost their child to murder would say that they'd pay any amount of money if it would have prevented a killer from either getting away and killing again or from having their child be someone's 2nd victim. KWIM???
And on top of that, I would think that the time and energy AND MONEY wasted by NOT having such a system would outweigh the costs of something like this.
And yes, it probably is an invasion of privacy, but you know, it used to be that your SS# was something that nobody knew. Now, anyone get it. Anyone can get your c/c #, your bank account #, etc. Those are invasions of privacy that cost our country billions in identity theft.
I also think we've given up more than we know in terms of privacy.
I just like to make the point that we all want services, be it for safety or anything else, yet many of us vote for as little spending as possible. I am not sure how I feel about the privacy aspect of this.
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| Posted 3/8/08 9:39 PM |
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wannabemom
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Re: Hear me out here...
Posted by MissJones
And yes, it probably is an invasion of privacy, but you know, it used to be that your SS# was something that nobody knew. Now, anyone get it. Anyone can get your c/c #, your bank account #, etc. Those are invasions of privacy that cost our country billions in identity theft.
I also think we've given up more than we know in terms of privacy.
but you can change your credit card #... you can't change your biological info. Since the good ol' fed has taken a liking to collecting everyone's phone records w/o a warrant, I'm not eager to share what ever genetic predispositions my family may have.
It should be stressed that corporatations and the gov't did that phone record data mining together... so it's VERY likely that personal information would be shared once again between companies and the gov't...
they would surely abuse that info the second they receive it. I'd protest such data collection tooth and nail.
consider me a citizen who maintains a healthy (not overly paranoid) skepticism of the motives of the gov't.
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| Posted 3/8/08 9:40 PM |
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Christine
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Re: Hear me out here...
Posted by MissJones
I also think we've given up more than we know in terms of privacy.
Which is why I wouldn't want to willingly hand over something I can never ever get back.
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| Posted 3/8/08 9:41 PM |
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Re: Hear me out here...
Posted by wannabemom
Posted by MissJones
And yes, it probably is an invasion of privacy, but you know, it used to be that your SS# was something that nobody knew. Now, anyone get it. Anyone can get your c/c #, your bank account #, etc. Those are invasions of privacy that cost our country billions in identity theft.
I also think we've given up more than we know in terms of privacy.
but you can change your credit card #... you can't change your biological info. Since the good ol' fed has taken a liking to collecting everyone's phone records w/o a warrant, I'm not eager to share what ever genetic predispositions my family may have.
It should be stressed that corporatations and the gov't did that phone record data mining together... so it's VERY likely that personal information would be shared once again between companies and the gov't...
they would surely abuse that info the second they receive it. I'd protest such data collection tooth and nail.
consider me a citizen who maintains a healthy (not overly paranoid) skepticism of the motives of the gov't.
ITA! Keep your hands off my private info.
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| Posted 3/8/08 10:09 PM |
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dpli
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I was willing to give up this aspect of my privacy when I worked in schools and totally understand why it was necessary. I don't think one should have to do so to obtain a driver's license. I think unless you are arrested, you should be able to keep your prints to yourself.
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| Posted 3/8/08 10:12 PM |
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Carolyn
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Re: Hear me out here...
When I was young....like in 3rd grade - we went on a field trip to a police station and all got fingerprinted..looking back I know it was to get our prints in the system. What do you guys think about that? I'm fine with my prints being there.
ETA I'm an attorney and I've been printed several times since then for bar exams, etc. But if I wasn't, I know I'm in the system already.
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Beth
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Posted by Goldi0218
I think it has Orwell-ian implications. Not a fan of the idea.
ditto- that scares the crap out of me
just read 1984 - you wont think this is such a hot idea
or imagine you can't get health insurace b/c they already know something is wrong with you
scary, scary thoughts
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| Posted 3/8/08 10:13 PM |
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dpli
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Re: Hear me out here...
Posted by Carolyn
When I was young....like in 3rd grade - we went on a field trip to a police station and all got fingerprinted..looking back I know it was to get our prints in the system. What do you guys think about that? I'm fine with my prints being there.
ETA I'm an attorney and I've been printed several times since then for bar exams, etc. But if I wasn't, I know I'm in the system already.
Did the police keep them on file for sure? I was fingerprinted as a kid too, but my mom had them in a lock box at home so that if something happened to us, she had a set of our prints. They were never put on file anywhere, though.
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Carolyn
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Re: Hear me out here...
Posted by dpli
Posted by Carolyn
When I was young....like in 3rd grade - we went on a field trip to a police station and all got fingerprinted..looking back I know it was to get our prints in the system. What do you guys think about that? I'm fine with my prints being there.
ETA I'm an attorney and I've been printed several times since then for bar exams, etc. But if I wasn't, I know I'm in the system already.
Did the police keep them on file for sure? I was fingerprinted as a kid too, but my mom had them in a lock box at home so that if something happened to us, she had a set of our prints. They were never put on file anywhere, though.
Actually, I don't know for sure...I always assumed they were kept on file. I should ask my mom. Honestly, if I had kids, I'd want their prints to be on file god forbid if something happened.
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| Posted 3/8/08 10:25 PM |
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JustJack
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Re: Hear me out here...
Posted by MissJones
Posted by Kerie-is-so-very
Do you want to pay the tax increase to maintain such a database and hire the staff it would take for the extra time and money to do the fingerprints?
Excellent point but I'm sure that any mother or father that lost their child to murder would say that they'd pay any amount of money if it would have prevented a killer from either getting away and killing again or from having their child be someone's 2nd victim. KWIM???
And on top of that, I would think that the time and energy AND MONEY wasted by NOT having such a system would outweigh the costs of something like this.
And yes, it probably is an invasion of privacy, but you know, it used to be that your SS# was something that nobody knew. Now, anyone get it. Anyone can get your c/c #, your bank account #, etc. Those are invasions of privacy that cost our country billions in identity theft.
I also think we've given up more than we know in terms of privacy.
Totally agree with you. DH and I were watching America's Most Wanted tonight and John Walsh was saying how he wants a national DNA database for everyone who commits crimes. DH and I were shocked to know that this doesn't already exist!
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| Posted 3/8/08 11:02 PM |
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HoneyBadger
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In a perfect world this is a great idea, but in this world, not so much.
It's just too much of an invasion of privacy and while it's not a huge violation, I think it could lead to bigger and worse offenses.
It's like communism, it's good in theory but not so much in practice.
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| Posted 3/8/08 11:10 PM |
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MrsPJB2007
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Posted by Jennie0898
In a perfect world this is a great idea, but in this world, not so much.
It's just too much of an invasion of privacy and while it's not a huge violation, I think it could lead to bigger and worse offenses.
It's like communism, it's good in theory but not so much in practice.
ditto
totally agree with wannabemom's reasoning as well---i think it sounds like a perfect idea--but she took the words right out of my mouth about how it would wind up as an invasion of privacy.
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Posted by dpli
Posted by Carolyn
When I was young....like in 3rd grade - we went on a field trip to a police station and all got fingerprinted..looking back I know it was to get our prints in the system. What do you guys think about that? I'm fine with my prints being there.
ETA I'm an attorney and I've been printed several times since then for bar exams, etc. But if I wasn't, I know I'm in the system already.
Did the police keep them on file for sure? I was fingerprinted as a kid too, but my mom had them in a lock box at home so that if something happened to us, she had a set of our prints. They were never put on file anywhere, though.
Actually, I don't know for sure...I always assumed they were kept on file. I should ask my mom. Honestly, if I had kids, I'd want their prints to be on file god forbid if something happened.
Actually, I was just thinking about the bar exam finger prints. I am a lawyer, too. I do not think that they kept a copy at the police station where I had them done. Mine were done the old fashioned way, with ink and then I had to clean my hands with gunk. I do not know if it is still done that way. I had to send them to the court but I do not know if they are on file anywhere except in the 2nd department, where I am registered. I guess there is a way to get the prints but I wonder if whoever needs them would need a subpoena to get them from the 2nd department. Does that make sense?
Oh, and I totally flirted with the cops when I went to get my fingerprints done.  One of them gave me his uniform hat, too. I was grossed out by the hand cleaning gunk, so they shoved my arm in up to my elbows as a joke. The hat was because I made them feel bad about that.
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Re: Hear me out here...
Posted by wannabemom
it's a complete invasion of privacy. Criminals can have some of their rights forfeited upon arrest (fingerprints) and conviction (dna samples, sex offender lists, loss of voting rights).... but a person who has always been law abiding is entitled to keep their biological info (finger prints, retinal scans, dental records, DNA) private.
In a perfect world, everyone would have this information in a gov't file, and no one would misuse it. However, our consitution is designed to limit gov't powers over the individual, mainly becuase if it didn't, abuse would be rampant.
(ex... before you knew it, citizens DNA info would be leaked to insurance companies, and they wouldn't cover conditions that a person is genetically suceptible to such as cancer, diabetes, heart disease)
I've had child care jobs in which you had to be fingerprinted. I think its a fabulous idea.
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