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Found an interesting article: "Proposed autism diagnosis changes anger "Aspies""

Proposed autism diagnosis changes anger "Aspies"


By LINDSEY TANNER, AP Medical Writer Lindsey Tanner, Ap Medical Writer – Thu Feb 11, 10:31 am ET

CHICAGO – In the autism world, "Aspies" are sometimes seen as the elites, the ones who are socially awkward, yet academically gifted and who embrace their quirkiness.

Now, many Aspies, a nickname for people with Asperger's syndrome, are upset over a proposal they see as an attack on their identity. Under proposed changes to the most widely used diagnostic manual of mental illness, Asperger's syndrome would no longer be a separate diagnosis.

Instead, Asperger's and other forms of autism would be lumped together in a single "autism spectrum disorders" category. Some parents say they'd welcome the change, thinking it would eliminate confusion over autism's variations and perhaps lead to better educational services for affected kids.

But opponents — mostly older teens and adults with Asperger's — disagree.

Liane Holliday Willey, a Michigan author and self-described Aspie whose daughter also has Asperger's, fears Asperger's kids will be stigmatized by the autism label — or will go undiagnosed and get no services at all.

Grouping Aspies with people "who have language delays, need more self-care and have lower IQs, how in the world are we going to rise to what we can do?" Willey said.

Rebecca Rubinstein, 23, a graduate student from Massapequa, N.Y., says she "vehemently" opposes the proposal and will think of herself as someone with Asperger's no matter what.

Autism and Asperger's "mean such different things," she said.

Yes and no.

Both are classified as neurodevelopmental disorders. Autism has long been considered a disorder that can range from mild to severe. Asperger's symptoms can vary, but the condition is generally thought of as a mild form and since 1994 has had a separate category in psychiatrists' diagnostic manual. Both autism and Asperger's involve poor social skills, repetitive behavior or interests, and problems communicating. But unlike classic autism, Asperger's does not typically involve delays in mental development or speech.

The American Psychiatric Association's proposed revisions, announced Wednesday, involve autism and several other conditions. The suggested autism changes are based on research advances since 1994 showing little difference between mild autism and Asperger's. Evidence also suggests that doctors use the term loosely and disagree on what it means, according to psychiatrists urging the revisions.

A new autism spectrum category recognizes that "the symptoms of these disorders represent a continuum from mild to severe, rather than being distinct disorders," said Dr. Edwin Cook, a University of Illinois at Chicago autism researcher and member of the APA work group proposing the changes.

The proposed revisions are posted online at http://www.DSM5.org for public comment, which will influence whether they are adopted. Publication of the updated manual is planned for May 2013.

Dr. Mina Dulcan, child and adolescent psychiatry chief at Chicago's Children's Memorial Hospital, said Aspies' opposition "is not really a medical question, it's an identity question."

"It would be just like if you were a student at MIT. You might not want to be lumped with somebody in the community college," said Dulcan who supports the diagnostic change.

"One of the characteristics of people with Asperger's is that they're very resistant to change," Dulcan added. The change "makes scientific sense. I'm sorry if it hurts people's feelings," she said.

Harold Doherty, a New Brunswick lawyer whose 13-year-old son has severe autism, opposes the proposed change for a different reason. He says the public perception of autism is skewed by success stories — the high-functioning "brainiac" kids who thrive despite their disability.

Doherty says people don't want to think about children like his son, Conor, who will never be able to function on his own. The revision would only skew the perception further, leading doctors and researchers to focus more on mild forms, he said.

It's not clear whether the change would affect autistic kids' access to special services.

But Kelli Gibson of Battle Creek, Mich., whose four sons have different forms of autism, thinks it would. She says the revision could make services now designated just for kids with an "autism" diagnosis available to less severely affected kids — including those with Asperger's and a variation called pervasive developmental disorder-not otherwise specified.

Also, Gibson said, she'd no longer have to use four different terms to describe her boys.

"Hallelujah! Let's just put them all in the same category and be done with it," Gibson said.

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On the Net:

Proposed changes: http://www.DSM5.org

Reaction: http://blog.autismspeaks.org/2010/02/10/a-single-diagnostic-category-for-autism/

Posted 2/12/10 8:38 AM
 

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Re: Found an interesting article: "Proposed autism diagnosis changes anger "Aspies""

I find the proposed changes so interesting. One thing that the article doesn't mention is that Autistic Disorder and Aspergers were always grouped under "Pervasive Developmental Disorders" in the DSM-IV. There are pros and cons to the proposed changes, and I'm still not sure how I feel about them, however, as a professional, I have always conceptualized Aspergers as an "Autism Spectrum Disorder."

Posted 2/12/10 11:49 AM
 

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Re: Found an interesting article: "Proposed autism diagnosis changes anger "Aspies""

as a mother of a child with autism and a nephew with Aspergers, I understand there are some differences. However, this quote REALLY bothered me:

"It would be just like if you were a student at MIT. You might not want to be lumped with somebody in the community college,"

Posted 2/12/10 4:12 PM
 

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Re: Found an interesting article: "Proposed autism diagnosis changes anger "Aspies""

Posted by carolinebn

as a mother of a child with autism and a nephew with Aspergers, I understand there are some differences. However, this quote REALLY bothered me:

"It would be just like if you were a student at MIT. You might not want to be lumped with somebody in the community college,"




I think this is the whole issue.

People with Aspergers were ALWAYS part of the PDD diagnostic. Like autism, Rett's syndrom, PDD-NOS.

I guess they see themselves as the "higher" ones and do not want to be part of the rest "less" functioning PPD spectrum.

But the bottom line is that they were part of that group all along. They were just the more "functional" one. Still part of the PDD diagnostic never the less.

I feel bad that they try to hang on to a diagnostic name to not associate themselves to lower functioning PPD diagnostics.

I personally did like the differentiation in diagnostic. As a parent, it made it easier to understand each group within PDD.

Posted 2/12/10 5:44 PM
 

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Re: Found an interesting article: "Proposed autism diagnosis changes anger "Aspies""

Posted by Jax430

I find the proposed changes so interesting. One thing that the article doesn't mention is that Autistic Disorder and Aspergers were always grouped under "Pervasive Developmental Disorders" in the DSM-IV. There are pros and cons to the proposed changes, and I'm still not sure how I feel about them, however, as a professional, I have always conceptualized Aspergers as an "Autism Spectrum Disorder."



You are right. They are all under the PDD label. Regardless of the individual diagnostics.

The issue is the people with Aspergers do not want to be mixed with an "autism" label. They want the differentiation. I am guessing it would be a "demotion" to them.

Posted 2/12/10 5:50 PM
 

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Re: Found an interesting article: "Proposed autism diagnosis changes anger "Aspies""

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Posted by Jax430

I find the proposed changes so interesting. One thing that the article doesn't mention is that Autistic Disorder and Aspergers were always grouped under "Pervasive Developmental Disorders" in the DSM-IV. There are pros and cons to the proposed changes, and I'm still not sure how I feel about them, however, as a professional, I have always conceptualized Aspergers as an "Autism Spectrum Disorder."



You are right. They are all under the PDD label. Regardless of the individual diagnostics.

The issue is the people with Aspergers do not want to be mixed with an "autism" label. They want the differentiation. I am guessing it would be a "demotion" to them.



The idea of a "demotion" is what frustrates me. I'm always trying to explain to people at work that there isn't a hierarchy of diagnoses from more to less severe. Within each diagnosis, there is a spectrum of functioning.

While I do think that those with Aspergers typically present differently than those diagnosed with autism, there are more commonalities than differences, IMO, and if changing it all to "Autism Spectrum Disorders" gets a child more services, I'm all for it.

I really do have to read more about the proposed changes to really see how I feel about them professionally.

Posted 2/12/10 6:27 PM
 

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Re: Found an interesting article: "Proposed autism diagnosis changes anger "Aspies""

I have been in a lot of discussions regarding this in the "Aspie" community....

It is very upsetting for a newly diagnosed Aspie to google Autism Spectrum Disorders or PDD-NOS and find that they are "cognitively low", nonverbal, etc. I have had many discussions with teenagers who have done the google searches and explained to them where they fell on the spectrum.

I do not see why things need to change. Asperger's Syndrome was put into the DSM IV in 1994 and helped so many who, prior to the diagnosis, had no understanding why they were the way they were, and were so grateful to see that there was a reason for them feeling different all this time. And there were now resources available for them after years and years of nothing!

Asperger's Syndrome is a very specific area of the spectrum that needs to be treated differently. This is a very individualized area on the spectrum that cannot be treated in the same way someone with "High Functioning Autism" can be treated - and yes, there is a distinction between the 2.

I am 100% against the proposed changes. It falls under the umbrella of Pervasive Developmental Disorders. It is clearly outlined - what is the issue?

Posted 2/13/10 11:07 AM
 

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Re: Found an interesting article: "Proposed autism diagnosis changes anger "Aspies""

Posted by Jax430

Posted by smdl

Posted by Jax430

I find the proposed changes so interesting. One thing that the article doesn't mention is that Autistic Disorder and Aspergers were always grouped under "Pervasive Developmental Disorders" in the DSM-IV. There are pros and cons to the proposed changes, and I'm still not sure how I feel about them, however, as a professional, I have always conceptualized Aspergers as an "Autism Spectrum Disorder."



You are right. They are all under the PDD label. Regardless of the individual diagnostics.

The issue is the people with Aspergers do not want to be mixed with an "autism" label. They want the differentiation. I am guessing it would be a "demotion" to them.



The idea of a "demotion" is what frustrates me. I'm always trying to explain to people at work that there isn't a hierarchy of diagnoses from more to less severe. Within each diagnosis, there is a spectrum of functioning.

While I do think that those with Aspergers typically present differently than those diagnosed with autism, there are more commonalities than differences, IMO, and if changing it all to "Autism Spectrum Disorders" gets a child more services, I'm all for it.

I really do have to read more about the proposed changes to really see how I feel about them professionally.



Whether you have autism, PDD-NOS, or Asperger's Syndrome, you are still classified as "Autistic" as an educational classification and you are still entitled to the services that anyone on the spectrum would get. Parents who's children have Asperger's Syndrome can opt to have an OHI/Other Health Impaired classification if they want - but they can hold onto the Autism classification for the services if they want it.

Yes, there are commonalities, but I think there are enough differences to separate the 2....

Posted 2/13/10 11:10 AM
 

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Re: Found an interesting article: "Proposed autism diagnosis changes anger "Aspies""

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Posted by Jax430

Posted by smdl

Posted by Jax430

I find the proposed changes so interesting. One thing that the article doesn't mention is that Autistic Disorder and Aspergers were always grouped under "Pervasive Developmental Disorders" in the DSM-IV. There are pros and cons to the proposed changes, and I'm still not sure how I feel about them, however, as a professional, I have always conceptualized Aspergers as an "Autism Spectrum Disorder."



You are right. They are all under the PDD label. Regardless of the individual diagnostics.

The issue is the people with Aspergers do not want to be mixed with an "autism" label. They want the differentiation. I am guessing it would be a "demotion" to them.



The idea of a "demotion" is what frustrates me. I'm always trying to explain to people at work that there isn't a hierarchy of diagnoses from more to less severe. Within each diagnosis, there is a spectrum of functioning.

While I do think that those with Aspergers typically present differently than those diagnosed with autism, there are more commonalities than differences, IMO, and if changing it all to "Autism Spectrum Disorders" gets a child more services, I'm all for it.

I really do have to read more about the proposed changes to really see how I feel about them professionally.



Whether you have autism, PDD-NOS, or Asperger's Syndrome, you are still classified as "Autistic" as an educational classification and you are still entitled to the services that anyone on the spectrum would get. Parents who's children have Asperger's Syndrome can opt to have an OHI/Other Health Impaired classification if they want - but they can hold onto the Autism classification for the services if they want it.

Yes, there are commonalities, but I think there are enough differences to separate the 2....



Yes, all the classifications were created for a reason. I personally thought it was easier to understand the differences when I first got introduce to the World of PDD.

Yet, they are still under the PDD umbrella. Regardless of what they say!

Posted 2/13/10 4:45 PM
 

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Re: Found an interesting article: "Proposed autism diagnosis changes anger "Aspies""

Posted by lipglossjunky73

I have been in a lot of discussions regarding this in the "Aspie" community....

It is very upsetting for a newly diagnosed Aspie to google Autism Spectrum Disorders or PDD-NOS and find that they are "cognitively low", nonverbal, etc. I have had many discussions with teenagers who have done the google searches and explained to them where they fell on the spectrum.

I do not see why things need to change. Asperger's Syndrome was put into the DSM IV in 1994 and helped so many who, prior to the diagnosis, had no understanding why they were the way they were, and were so grateful to see that there was a reason for them feeling different all this time. And there were now resources available for them after years and years of nothing!

Asperger's Syndrome is a very specific area of the spectrum that needs to be treated differently. This is a very individualized area on the spectrum that cannot be treated in the same way someone with "High Functioning Autism" can be treated - and yes, there is a distinction between the 2.

I am 100% against the proposed changes. It falls under the umbrella of Pervasive Developmental Disorders. It is clearly outlined - what is the issue?



I realize that Im not going to make much sense here..but maybe you might be able to understand what I am trying to say and reword it for me..Chat Icon

Ariel, as you know, is classified as Autistic on her IEP. From a educational stand point this is, most certainly, correct...

But...

From a medical standpoint is it really correct? Most individuals with Mosaic Down Syndrome...whether they be typically DS or normal..exhibit some signs of autistic behavior. So is it truly Autism or Autistic like? Should she be lumped in with the rest? Is her mental abilities caused by the DS or the Autism? Or is she not Autistic and simply DS?

I was surprised to learn that they include Rett Syndrome as a Spectrum Disorder. What is that all about? Chat Icon While it is true that children with Rett Syndrome exhibit much of the same symptoms as children with Autism there are enough differences to question the classification...

I dont really know what exactly Im getting at here specifically..But I can understand why the community may want the change made.

Posted 2/13/10 10:02 PM
 

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Re: Found an interesting article: "Proposed autism diagnosis changes anger "Aspies""

Actually, it is being proposed that Rett's Disorder be removed from the DSM-V. I agree with that. I also think I agree with the proposed change to "Autism spectrum disorder." The DSM-V is research based and research shows there to be a core common set of symptomatology. The 'disorders' are more similar than different and are proposed to simply be different manifestations of the same disorder. That is the reasoning behind the proposed change.

Also, I agree that these changes should in theory make no difference educationally, however, in practice I think it might. In my experience, not just those with Asperger's, but also kids with PDD-NOS who in my opinion need to be classified Autistic are classified OHI. I think with these DSM-V changes, districts won't be as able to get away with that move.

Message edited 2/14/2010 7:06:59 AM.

Posted 2/14/10 7:06 AM
 

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Re: Found an interesting article: "Proposed autism diagnosis changes anger "Aspies""

Chai and Heather.... You both made excellent points.

Here is what went hairy - when the Pervasive Developmental Disorder "Umbrella" was put in the DSM-IV, it really was never just about "Autism" - it was about development that was pervasively affected.

Autism just became so rampant within that category that it sort of "took over." Rett's Disorder and Childhood Disintegrative disorder also fall under that umbrella - not because they share a commonality with autism, but that all pervasive developmental disorders share enough commonalities to be placed under the same area of pervasive disorders (and if we REALLY want to get nit-picky - NONE of these disorders are truly "psychiatric" disorders - have you looked at the rest of the disorders in the DSM manuals?)

Rett's and CDD are drastically different from ASD's in that they are both disintegrative - both start out with typically functioning children who lose drastic milestones already accomplished, and they are both terminal in that these individuals die in childhood, while nothing like that happens with ASD's.

There will always be distinctions between medical diagnoses and educational classifications. I will be curious to see how this will impact services. I am hoping it will only serve to benefit, not take away, from the individuals who need the services, and will still emphasize the SPECIFIC needs all areas of the spectrum require!

Posted 2/14/10 11:14 AM
 

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Re: Found an interesting article: "Proposed autism diagnosis changes anger "Aspies""

Posted by lipglossjunky73

Chai and Heather.... You both made excellent points.

Here is what went hairy - when the Pervasive Developmental Disorder "Umbrella" was put in the DSM-IV, it really was never just about "Autism" - it was about development that was pervasively affected.

Autism just became so rampant within that category that it sort of "took over." Rett's Disorder and Childhood Disintegrative disorder also fall under that umbrella - not because they share a commonality with autism, but that all pervasive developmental disorders share enough commonalities to be placed under the same area of pervasive disorders (and if we REALLY want to get nit-picky - NONE of these disorders are truly "psychiatric" disorders - have you looked at the rest of the disorders in the DSM manuals?)

Rett's and CDD are drastically different from ASD's in that they are both disintegrative - both start out with typically functioning children who lose drastic milestones already accomplished, and they are both terminal in that these individuals die in childhood, while nothing like that happens with ASD's.

There will always be distinctions between medical diagnoses and educational classifications. I will be curious to see how this will impact services. I am hoping it will only serve to benefit, not take away, from the individuals who need the services, and will still emphasize the SPECIFIC needs all areas of the spectrum require!




I don't have your level of knowledge, but that's how I understood it (the "umbrella") after DS diagnostic and trying to figure out what I was dealing with.

They are all grouped together because all are PDD (not autism) disorders. I never really thought that people with Asperger's syndrom where autistic at all. Just that they had pervasive issues.

When professionals ask about DS, I say he is autistic. They say "PDD?" To which I reply "he is diagnosed with autism". While he does fall under PDD, I clearly classify him for his actual diagnostic. PDD is way too broad to understand what DS has. At this point, there is no doubt DS is autistic. He has the full spectrum of all characteristics "classifying" him as autistic. He cannot be confused at this point with someone with Apserger's.

Yet, like you said they are both under the umbrella of PDD. Just different disorders to me.

Posted 2/15/10 6:54 AM
 
 

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