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jellybean78
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For those voting for Hillary
Did you watch this..it's long but worth it.
I didn't personally verify each piece of info but no way is all of this false. Too much info and detail.
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Re: For those voting for Hillary
Posted by jellybean78
Did you watch this..it's long but worth it.
I didn't personally verify each piece of info but no way is all of this false. Too much info and detail.
Source?
And just because something is "long and detailed" does in no way make it true.
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| Posted 10/14/16 7:01 PM |
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ElizaRags35
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For those voting for Hillary
That's not at all full of conspiracy theories and snippets of half truths. Not at all.
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| Posted 10/14/16 8:11 PM |
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Re: For those voting for Hillary
Posted by ElizaRags35
That's not at all full of conspiracy theories and snippets of half truths. Not at all.
On a slightly unrelated note, it's very frustrating that it's as hard as it is to find objective news and info - on either candidate. At least with Trump, he says such outrageous things that one can fact check simply by reviewing his Twitter feed. But with Hillary? I don't know. I have done a lot of research because she was not my first choice and I wanted to know who/what I was voting for. And so much written about her does not pass the smell test. She is definitely not a saint but I feel like so much is distorted to bring her down.
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| Posted 10/14/16 10:57 PM |
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LeeCR7
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Re: For those voting for Hillary
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/27/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-scandals
I'm no Hilary Clinton cheerleader. I think she has likely skirted just along the edge of the law many times. I also think she is probably too smart to outright break the law. It is fair game to discuss whether or not that will affect your vote.
Every investigation has cleared her, and Republicans have admitted that at least some were politically motivated (the 8th Benghazi committee was formed in part to "lower Hilary's poll numbers," according to Republican senators McCarthy and Hanna). So these investigations are not, to me, convincing.
Plus, any time some one tries to convince me that the Clintons are/were actually killing people or ordering hits, or watching and laughing as the Benghazi attacks unfolded, you immediately lose my attention. There are plenty of weaknesses that Hilary Clinton has that are fair game, but this stuff is just a smear attempt, designed to enrage people who already hate her.
Clinton is a typical politician, and, she's not great at hiding it. I can't stand that she seems to feel like she is somehow entitled to the presidency. However, I think that she will do some good as president, maybe not out of any deep concern for typical citizens, but because she wants to look good and get re-elected. Smear her all you want, insult her with actual fair criticism, but you can't discount the fact that she has done good things for this country (children's health insurance, for one).
My vote for Clinton was never a given, but with Trump as the other choice, it's not even a question. Do you give the keys to your house to a girl who may peek through your drawers, eat some food and put her feet up on your couch, or to the guy who is likely to burn the house down?
Trump is not an option. Hilary Clinton is deserving of criticism, but also of respect. She has my vote.
Message edited 10/15/2016 12:09:19 AM.
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ElizaRags35
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Re: For those voting for Hillary
Posted by LeeCR7
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/27/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-scandals
I'm no Hilary Clinton cheerleader. I think she has likely skirted just along the edge of the law many times. I also think she is probably too smart to outright break the law. It is fair game to discuss whether or not that will affect your vote.
Every investigation has cleared her, and Republicans have admitted that at least some were politically motivated (the 8th Benghazi committee was formed in part to "lower Hilary's poll numbers," according to Republican senators McCarthy and Hanna). So these investigations are not, to me, convincing.
Plus, any time some one tries to convince me that the Clintons are/were actually killing people or ordering hits, or watching and laughing as the Benghazi attacks unfolded, you immediately lose my attention. There are plenty of weaknesses that Hilary Clinton has that are fair game, but this stuff is just a smear attempt, designed to enrage people who already hate her.
Clinton is a typical politician, and, she's not great at hiding it. I can't stand that she seems to feel like she is somehow entitled to the presidency. However, I think that she will do some good as president, maybe not out of any deep concern for typical citizens, but because she wants to look good and get re-elected. Smear her all you want, insult her with actual fair criticism, but you can't discount the fact that she has done good things for this country (children's health insurance, for one).
My vote for Clinton was never a given, but with Trump as the other choice, it's not even a question. Do you give the keys to your house to a girl who may peek through your drawers, eat some food and put her feet up on your couch, or to the guy who is likely to burn the house down?
Trump is not an option. Hilary Clinton is deserving of criticism, but also of respect. She has my vote.
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| Posted 10/15/16 12:58 AM |
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Re: For those voting for Hillary
Posted by LeeCR7
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/27/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-scandals
I'm no Hilary Clinton cheerleader. I think she has likely skirted just along the edge of the law many times. I also think she is probably too smart to outright break the law. It is fair game to discuss whether or not that will affect your vote.
Every investigation has cleared her, and Republicans have admitted that at least some were politically motivated (the 8th Benghazi committee was formed in part to "lower Hilary's poll numbers," according to Republican senators McCarthy and Hanna). So these investigations are not, to me, convincing.
Plus, any time some one tries to convince me that the Clintons are/were actually killing people or ordering hits, or watching and laughing as the Benghazi attacks unfolded, you immediately lose my attention. There are plenty of weaknesses that Hilary Clinton has that are fair game, but this stuff is just a smear attempt, designed to enrage people who already hate her.
Clinton is a typical politician, and, she's not great at hiding it. I can't stand that she seems to feel like she is somehow entitled to the presidency. However, I think that she will do some good as president, maybe not out of any deep concern for typical citizens, but because she wants to look good and get re-elected. Smear her all you want, insult her with actual fair criticism, but you can't discount the fact that she has done good things for this country (children's health insurance, for one).
My vote for Clinton was never a given, but with Trump as the other choice, it's not even a question. Do you give the keys to your house to a girl who may peek through your drawers, eat some food and put her feet up on your couch, or to the guy who is likely to burn the house down?
Trump is not an option. Hilary Clinton is deserving of criticism, but also of respect. She has my vote.
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| Posted 10/15/16 7:48 AM |
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eroxgirl
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Re: For those voting for Hillary
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by LeeCR7
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/27/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-scandals
I'm no Hilary Clinton cheerleader. I think she has likely skirted just along the edge of the law many times. I also think she is probably too smart to outright break the law. It is fair game to discuss whether or not that will affect your vote.
Every investigation has cleared her, and Republicans have admitted that at least some were politically motivated (the 8th Benghazi committee was formed in part to "lower Hilary's poll numbers," according to Republican senators McCarthy and Hanna). So these investigations are not, to me, convincing.
Plus, any time some one tries to convince me that the Clintons are/were actually killing people or ordering hits, or watching and laughing as the Benghazi attacks unfolded, you immediately lose my attention. There are plenty of weaknesses that Hilary Clinton has that are fair game, but this stuff is just a smear attempt, designed to enrage people who already hate her.
Clinton is a typical politician, and, she's not great at hiding it. I can't stand that she seems to feel like she is somehow entitled to the presidency. However, I think that she will do some good as president, maybe not out of any deep concern for typical citizens, but because she wants to look good and get re-elected. Smear her all you want, insult her with actual fair criticism, but you can't discount the fact that she has done good things for this country (children's health insurance, for one).
My vote for Clinton was never a given, but with Trump as the other choice, it's not even a question. Do you give the keys to your house to a girl who may peek through your drawers, eat some food and put her feet up on your couch, or to the guy who is likely to burn the house down?
Trump is not an option. Hilary Clinton is deserving of criticism, but also of respect. She has my vote.
Wow.
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| Posted 10/15/16 8:26 AM |
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KarenK122
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Re: For those voting for Hillary
Posted by LeeCR7
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/27/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-scandals
I'm no Hilary Clinton cheerleader. I think she has likely skirted just along the edge of the law many times. I also think she is probably too smart to outright break the law. It is fair game to discuss whether or not that will affect your vote.
Every investigation has cleared her, and Republicans have admitted that at least some were politically motivated (the 8th Benghazi committee was formed in part to "lower Hilary's poll numbers," according to Republican senators McCarthy and Hanna). So these investigations are not, to me, convincing.
Plus, any time some one tries to convince me that the Clintons are/were actually killing people or ordering hits, or watching and laughing as the Benghazi attacks unfolded, you immediately lose my attention. There are plenty of weaknesses that Hilary Clinton has that are fair game, but this stuff is just a smear attempt, designed to enrage people who already hate her.
Clinton is a typical politician, and, she's not great at hiding it. I can't stand that she seems to feel like she is somehow entitled to the presidency. However, I think that she will do some good as president, maybe not out of any deep concern for typical citizens, but because she wants to look good and get re-elected. Smear her all you want, insult her with actual fair criticism, but you can't discount the fact that she has done good things for this country (children's health insurance, for one).
My vote for Clinton was never a given, but with Trump as the other choice, it's not even a question. Do you give the keys to your house to a girl who may peek through your drawers, eat some food and put her feet up on your couch, or to the guy who is likely to burn the house down?
Trump is not an option. Hilary Clinton is deserving of criticism, but also of respect. She has my vote.
I am not a Hillary (or Trump) Supporter but I agree with you 100%. I really hope that this election people have woken up to the mess that our country is truly in with it's leadership and I also hope that when Hillary wins that her supporters understand that it wasn't really a win for the United States it was just the lesser of two evils.
Vote for your congressperson and senators as that is where we can start to begin a change.
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| Posted 10/15/16 9:33 AM |
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JennP
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Re: For those voting for Hillary
Posted by eroxgirl
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by LeeCR7
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/27/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-scandals
I'm no Hilary Clinton cheerleader. I think she has likely skirted just along the edge of the law many times. I also think she is probably too smart to outright break the law. It is fair game to discuss whether or not that will affect your vote.
Every investigation has cleared her, and Republicans have admitted that at least some were politically motivated (the 8th Benghazi committee was formed in part to "lower Hilary's poll numbers," according to Republican senators McCarthy and Hanna). So these investigations are not, to me, convincing.
Plus, any time some one tries to convince me that the Clintons are/were actually killing people or ordering hits, or watching and laughing as the Benghazi attacks unfolded, you immediately lose my attention. There are plenty of weaknesses that Hilary Clinton has that are fair game, but this stuff is just a smear attempt, designed to enrage people who already hate her.
Clinton is a typical politician, and, she's not great at hiding it. I can't stand that she seems to feel like she is somehow entitled to the presidency. However, I think that she will do some good as president, maybe not out of any deep concern for typical citizens, but because she wants to look good and get re-elected. Smear her all you want, insult her with actual fair criticism, but you can't discount the fact that she has done good things for this country (children's health insurance, for one).
My vote for Clinton was never a given, but with Trump as the other choice, it's not even a question. Do you give the keys to your house to a girl who may peek through your drawers, eat some food and put her feet up on your couch, or to the guy who is likely to burn the house down?
Trump is not an option. Hilary Clinton is deserving of criticism, but also of respect. She has my vote.
Wow.
I love this - so beautifully said.
I will add, though, that I do believe that underneath the typical politician she truly does care about protecting the vulnerable and that desire is in tandem with her desire for power and the presidency.
No one would do the grassroots work she did in the beginning of her career if that was not the case.
As SOS she also made a lot of quiet overtures to the world's autocracies on behalf of women and children that didn't necessarily make the news but got things done.
So I've learned a bit about her career over time and I've become a fan.
Ultimately, though, if I did not feel this way about her, I would do what so many others have said they would do, on this thread, in the media, among our families and friends - hold my nose and vote for her for the sake of our women and children, our repressed, our country, and the world.
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MC09
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Re: For those voting for Hillary
Posted by JennP
Posted by eroxgirl
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by LeeCR7
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/27/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-scandals
I'm no Hilary Clinton cheerleader. I think she has likely skirted just along the edge of the law many times. I also think she is probably too smart to outright break the law. It is fair game to discuss whether or not that will affect your vote.
Every investigation has cleared her, and Republicans have admitted that at least some were politically motivated (the 8th Benghazi committee was formed in part to "lower Hilary's poll numbers," according to Republican senators McCarthy and Hanna). So these investigations are not, to me, convincing.
Plus, any time some one tries to convince me that the Clintons are/were actually killing people or ordering hits, or watching and laughing as the Benghazi attacks unfolded, you immediately lose my attention. There are plenty of weaknesses that Hilary Clinton has that are fair game, but this stuff is just a smear attempt, designed to enrage people who already hate her.
Clinton is a typical politician, and, she's not great at hiding it. I can't stand that she seems to feel like she is somehow entitled to the presidency. However, I think that she will do some good as president, maybe not out of any deep concern for typical citizens, but because she wants to look good and get re-elected. Smear her all you want, insult her with actual fair criticism, but you can't discount the fact that she has done good things for this country (children's health insurance, for one).
My vote for Clinton was never a given, but with Trump as the other choice, it's not even a question. Do you give the keys to your house to a girl who may peek through your drawers, eat some food and put her feet up on your couch, or to the guy who is likely to burn the house down?
Trump is not an option. Hilary Clinton is deserving of criticism, but also of respect. She has my vote.
Wow.
I love this - so beautifully said.
I will add, though, that I do believe that underneath the typical politician she truly does care about protecting the vulnerable and that desire is in tandem with her desire for power and the presidency.
No one would do the grassroots work she did in the beginning of her career if that was not the case.
As SOS she also made a lot of quiet overtures to the world's autocracies on behalf of women and children that didn't necessarily make the news but got things done.
So I've learned a bit about her career over time and I've become a fan.
Ultimately, though, if I did not feel this way about her, I would do what so many others have said they would do, on this thread, in the media, among our families and friends - hold my nose and vote for her for the sake of our women and children, our repressed, our country, and the world.
both LeeCR7 and JennP ALWAYS so eloquently put and FACTUAL (something we, as a people, are truly lacking these days -- actual FACTS!!! Not SENSATIONALISM, as per this video.) Just because a video or article has a lot of info and detail doesn't make it factual. You'd be surprised how much detailed nonsense I could come up with in a few minutes lol. I can't begin to explain how many people post, repost, share, and like these kinds of videos on my fb newsfeed. This kind of nonsense spreads like wildfire and people are so misinformed that it's truly sad. Like the recent bit about Hillary getting a child rapist off the hook 40 years ago then laughing about it. How do you stop stupid?? People don't want to put in the 5 minutes to fact check anything, they just want to hit like and share. And why wouldn't they when it's easier not to and the subject fits snugly right into their core beliefs? (Not referring to you OP, just saying the population in general).
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Re: For those voting for Hillary
Posted by LeeCR7
Do you give the keys to your house to a girl who may peek through your drawers, eat some food and put her feet up on your couch, or to the guy who is likely to burn the house down?
Trump is not an option. Hilary Clinton is deserving of criticism, but also of respect. She has my vote.
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| Posted 10/15/16 3:28 PM |
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jtd
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Re: For those voting for Hillary
So why does most of Long Island not agree....especially 'union workers' and woman?
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| Posted 10/15/16 9:09 PM |
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Re: For those voting for Hillary
Posted by LeeCR7
My vote for Clinton was never a given, but with Trump as the other choice, it's not even a question. Do you give the keys to your house to a girl who may peek through your drawers, eat some food and put her feet up on your couch, or to the guy who is likely to burn the house down?
Trump is not an option. Hilary Clinton is deserving of criticism, but also of respect. She has my vote.
I feel the same way and you expressed it perfectly.
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Re: For those voting for Hillary
Posted by jtd
So why does most of Long Island not agree....especially 'union workers' and woman?
I'm a union worker...not agree with what?
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| Posted 10/17/16 1:25 PM |
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Kitten1929
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Re: For those voting for Hillary
Posted by jtd
So why does most of Long Island not agree....especially 'union workers' and woman?
I think it goes to what core beliefs a lot of blue collar workers have - they tend to fall in line with Republican values. Most of them are pro-life, are against government aid to the poor/subsidizing welfare/food stamps/etc, are against raising taxes, etc. Blue collars workers work hard, and Republican values have taught them that working hard is THE way to earn the things you have, and to never expect a handout. It's extremely generational, too. So it almost doesn't matter that Hillary is qualified or not - she is a woman attempting to rise to the highest level of power in this country AND she stands for the things they don't believe in.
From a feminist standpoint, I don't understand the hatred from other women. But not everyone woman is a feminist, and they rightly have a choice to dislike her. I think her background and expertise and unfailing devotion to public service outweigh many of the negative things she has done/been blamed for.
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