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bunnyluck
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Cincinnati Zoo incident
Does anyone have thoughts on this?
To me it's very clear and dry....
I totally feel for the gorilla who had to be killed. Im an animal lover and think it's terrible that it had to come to that. But I really, really wonder if all these people who are up in arms and say the wrong choice was made have children? I'm just baffled. EXPERTS made the best choice they had to save a little boy. That's that to me.
I agree the boy should've been supervised better.
I agree the safety conditions of the zoo should be reviewed.
The reason the boy ended up in the pen is irrelevant to how to best save him.
You want to hold the parents liable after the fact then fine.
But honestly, whatever had to be done to get the boy out alive and safe needed to be. And anyone who thinks differently is nuts (to me - sorry!). You just don't take chances with a 4 year old's life. Watch the video. What if that was your child, neice or nephew and you had to make the choice between killing the gorilla which gaurantees your child would live or tranquilizing which requires time and experts advise could lead to aggressive behavior?
Who in their right mind would pick option 2????? I'm just baffled by these people!!!!!!! Are they high???? Lololol. Sometimes I listen to the news and feel like I'm the crazy one.
(P.S. I know the parents did not make the choice using it as an example)
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blessedmama
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
I'd like to know what the mother was doing after her kid told her he wanted to swim with the gorilla and at the time the kid was climbing in the "cage".
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Posted by blessedmama
I'd like to know what the mother was doing after her kid told her he wanted to swim with the gorilla and at the time the kid was climbing in the "cage".
I read she was putting other children in a stroller so they could all leave the Gorilla Exhibit.
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| Posted 5/31/16 12:24 PM |
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Posted by blessedmama
I'd like to know what the mother was doing after her kid told her he wanted to swim with the gorilla and at the time the kid was climbing in the "cage".
Same I totally agree the parents need to be investigated! The tragedy should've and could've been avoided with parental supervision.
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I pretty much agree with all you've stated.
I feel for every being involved here.
I just don't understand why this can't be seen as an unfortunate incident, and nothing more. I was not there, it was not my child, I have no place for judgement.
As parents, we've ALL lost sight of our child for a moment or two. Did NO ONE see this child climbing in? I don't put my hands on other people's children, but if I saw someone's preschooler climbing into a gorilla enclosure, I'm grabbing that child and stopping them if I can. I am so baffled that NO ONE saw this happening and was able to prevent it.
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Posted by blessedmama
I'd like to know what the mother was doing after her kid told her he wanted to swim with the gorilla and at the time the kid was climbing in the "cage".
Regardless of what the mother was doing, the four year old is not responsible and did not deserve to be seriously injured or die. So I fully support killing the gorilla. However I do think that the mom should have some accountability.
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
This whole "controversy" is really agitating me.
If the zoo delayed in reacting or tried tranquilizing the gorilla first and that kid was killed, the public outrage would be enormous. Every animal expert I have seen giving commentary on this is 100% supportive of the zoo's decision. The peanut gallery needs to take a seat.
Speaking of the peanut gallery, I wonder how many of the critics are parents. If they are a parent, I wonder how often, if at all, they take their small child out in public. Anyone that has taken their kid anywhere, especially a place that is exciting and stimulating like a zoo or a carnival or an amusement park, etc., knows how fast your kid can escape you and fall out of sight. Any parent who says they have never ever lost sight of their kid is a liar. The way this mother is being villainized is disgraceful.
This whole incident is a terrible tragedy but it was an accident. That's that.
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Would love to know how hard it is to get into that exhibit. Not blaming the mother at all. Just curious.
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| Posted 5/31/16 12:32 PM |
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blessedmama
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Posted by nraboni
Posted by blessedmama
I'd like to know what the mother was doing after her kid told her he wanted to swim with the gorilla and at the time the kid was climbing in the "cage".
I read she was putting other children in a stroller so they could all leave the Gorilla Exhibit.
She should have been all over that 4 year old when he said he wanted to swim in there, sorry. Was she alone too? There is so many holes to this story.
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| Posted 5/31/16 12:34 PM |
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blessedmama
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Posted by LiveForMoments
I pretty much agree with all you've stated.
I feel for every being involved here.
I just don't understand why this can't be seen as an unfortunate incident, and nothing more. I was not there, it was not my child, I have no place for judgement.
As parents, we've ALL lost sight of our child for a moment or two. Did NO ONE see this child climbing in? I don't put my hands on other people's children, but if I saw someone's preschooler climbing into a gorilla enclosure, I'm grabbing that child and stopping them if I can. I am so baffled that NO ONE saw this happening and was able to prevent it.
In this day and age, people don't know if they should or should not help as many parents have a fit if you touch their kid. You just never know how this mother was.
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blessedmama
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Posted by lululu
Posted by blessedmama
I'd like to know what the mother was doing after her kid told her he wanted to swim with the gorilla and at the time the kid was climbing in the "cage".
Regardless of what the mother was doing, the four year old is not responsible and did not deserve to be seriously injured or die. So I fully support killing the gorilla. However I do think that the mom should have some accountability.
ITA that he did not deserve to be injured or die (which he didn't and he is fine).
I do think that he was her responsibility and once he said he wanted to swim in there, a light should have gone on in her head to make sure she watched him or had him by her side the entire time.
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blessedmama
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Posted by FirstMate
This whole "controversy" is really agitating me.
If the zoo delayed in reacting or tried tranquilizing the gorilla first and that kid was killed, the public outrage would be enormous. Every animal expert I have seen giving commentary on this is 100% supportive of the zoo's decision. The peanut gallery needs to take a seat.
Speaking of the peanut gallery, I wonder how many of the critics are parents. If they are a parent, I wonder how often, if at all, they take their small child out in public. Anyone that has taken their kid anywhere, especially a place that is exciting and stimulating like a zoo or a carnival or an amusement park, etc., knows how fast your kid can escape you and fall out of sight. Any parent who says they have never ever lost sight of their kid is a liar. The way this mother is being villainized is disgraceful.
This whole incident is a terrible tragedy but it was an accident. That's that.
I don't think people lie. Some people are just more cautious with their children. When my kids were small I was more overprotective than most parents are (especially now with cellphones). Maybe I looked crazy watching them constantly and telling them not to do this or that but I never had to worry about something like this.
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Posted by Lara&Aidansmommy
Would love to know how hard it is to get into that exhibit. Not blaming the mother at all. Just curious.
The viewers said that the kid had to climb up and over shrubs so it wasn't something that happened in 2 seconds.
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| Posted 5/31/16 12:39 PM |
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Posted by blessedmama
Posted by FirstMate
This whole "controversy" is really agitating me.
If the zoo delayed in reacting or tried tranquilizing the gorilla first and that kid was killed, the public outrage would be enormous. Every animal expert I have seen giving commentary on this is 100% supportive of the zoo's decision. The peanut gallery needs to take a seat.
Speaking of the peanut gallery, I wonder how many of the critics are parents. If they are a parent, I wonder how often, if at all, they take their small child out in public. Anyone that has taken their kid anywhere, especially a place that is exciting and stimulating like a zoo or a carnival or an amusement park, etc., knows how fast your kid can escape you and fall out of sight. Any parent who says they have never ever lost sight of their kid is a liar. The way this mother is being villainized is disgraceful.
This whole incident is a terrible tragedy but it was an accident. That's that.
I don't think people lie. Some people are just more cautious with their children. When my kids were small I was more overprotective than most parents are (especially now with cellphones). Maybe I looked crazy watching them constantly and telling them not to do this or that but I never had to worry about something like this.
Yes, I am the first to admit I'm a bit of a nut. Like wayyyy overprotective and paranoid when we are out and about.
That's not to say that something can't happen because unless you lock your kids up in a bubble, freak things can always happen.
But I tend to be more on the hovering, overprotective, you don't leave my site for a second, side.
I also only have one so it's easier to always have eyes on her.
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Cincinnati Zoo incident
There were other people in the exhibit right?? Why did NO ONE try to stop the boy!?! Someone must have seen him climbing/trying to get in!?
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blessedmama
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Just found this analogy online:
If you take your eye off the road and crash into someone, accident or not, you're responsible for their loss. You pay for their car and lost wages.
So she took her eye off the child and it cost the zoo an animal. She should be held responsible for her child's medical bills and any lost revenue of the zoo due to her "accident".
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
I am never one to judge another parent, especially since becoming a mother and seeing how things do happen. However, the fact that this kid was 3 and able to escape his mother long enough to jump the barricade, crawl through the shrubs and drop 15 feet into the cage is astonishing to me. Especially after stating he wanted to swim with the gorilla. Yes, kids are fast but that's exactly why a 3 or 4 year old (I have heard conflicting stories of how old he is) should either be strapped into a stroller or a leash if you aren't able to give them your absolute attention. The fact that she also posted on FB that "stuff happens" shows no remorse. Yes, stuff happens but I would be filled with grief over the situation, the death of the gorilla and the harm and trauma to that little boy. Posting on FB would be the last thing on my mind.
That being said, I am a huge animal lover but agree with them having to unfortunately have to kill the gorilla. I don't know if he meant the boy harm but he was confused and although he may have been trying to protect him, that strength and power could have killed him in an instant without even meaning to. Professionals have spoken out that a tranquilizer would have taken minutes and the dart would have caused the gorilla to go into fight or flight mode which could have been deadly for the boy. If it was my kid, I would want them to use whatever means necessary to ensure his safety. Hell, i would have jumped in the cage myself.
Just a really sad and unfortunate situation and one that was most likely avoidable.
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| Posted 5/31/16 12:48 PM |
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Posted by blessedmama
Posted by Lara&Aidansmommy
Would love to know how hard it is to get into that exhibit. Not blaming the mother at all. Just curious.
The viewers said that the kid had to climb up and over shrubs so it wasn't something that happened in 2 seconds.
Exactly. How long were her eyes off the child? A kid runs into the street to get a ball, trips down stairs, I get it. Things happen in a split second. I have no doubt that when my daughter starts walking there will be incidents caused by me taking my eyes off her.
But this child went under a rail, through wires and into a moat. That is not a split second. And, this is a ZOO. It's not the freaking slide at the playground.
IMO, this is 100% the mother's fault.
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blessedmama
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Posted by Naner325
I am never one to judge another parent, especially since becoming a mother and seeing how things do happen. However, the fact that this kid was 3 and able to escape his mother long enough to jump the barricade, crawl through the shrubs and drop 15 feet into the cage is astonishing to me. Especially after stating he wanted to swim with the gorilla. Yes, kids are fast but that's exactly why a 3 or 4 year old (I have heard conflicting stories of how old he is) should either be strapped into a stroller or a leash if you aren't able to give them your absolute attention. The fact that she also posted on FB that "stuff happens" shows no remorse. Yes, stuff happens but I would be filled with grief over the situation, the death of the gorilla and the harm and trauma to that little boy. Posting on FB would be the last thing on my mind.
That being said, I am a huge animal lover but agree with them having to unfortunately have to kill the gorilla. I don't know if he meant the boy harm but he was confused and although he may have been trying to protect him, that strength and power could have killed him in an instant without even meaning to. Professionals have spoken out that a tranquilizer would have taken minutes and the dart would have caused the gorilla to go into fight or flight mode which could have been deadly for the boy. If it was my kid, I would want them to use whatever means necessary to ensure his safety. Hell, i would have jumped in the cage myself.
Just a really sad and unfortunate situation and one that was most likely avoidable.
My husband actually asked me that this morning if I would have jumped in to get my child. I said I don't know and I know that sounds horrible but I don't know if that would have made it worse.
Where did you find a fb? I heard her name was Michelle Gregg and supposedly she has child neglect charges on her before but did not see evidence yet on that so don't believe it until I see it.
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
God this story really makes me sick.
I can't even read about it anymore because it's so sad and senseless
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Posted by blessedmama
Posted by Naner325
I am never one to judge another parent, especially since becoming a mother and seeing how things do happen. However, the fact that this kid was 3 and able to escape his mother long enough to jump the barricade, crawl through the shrubs and drop 15 feet into the cage is astonishing to me. Especially after stating he wanted to swim with the gorilla. Yes, kids are fast but that's exactly why a 3 or 4 year old (I have heard conflicting stories of how old he is) should either be strapped into a stroller or a leash if you aren't able to give them your absolute attention. The fact that she also posted on FB that "stuff happens" shows no remorse. Yes, stuff happens but I would be filled with grief over the situation, the death of the gorilla and the harm and trauma to that little boy. Posting on FB would be the last thing on my mind.
That being said, I am a huge animal lover but agree with them having to unfortunately have to kill the gorilla. I don't know if he meant the boy harm but he was confused and although he may have been trying to protect him, that strength and power could have killed him in an instant without even meaning to. Professionals have spoken out that a tranquilizer would have taken minutes and the dart would have caused the gorilla to go into fight or flight mode which could have been deadly for the boy. If it was my kid, I would want them to use whatever means necessary to ensure his safety. Hell, i would have jumped in the cage myself.
Just a really sad and unfortunate situation and one that was most likely avoidable.
My husband actually asked me that this morning if I would have jumped in to get my child. I said I don't know and I know that sounds horrible but I don't know if that would have made it worse.
Where did you find a fb? I heard her name was Michelle Gregg and supposedly she has child neglect charges on her before but did not see evidence yet on that so don't believe it until I see it.
I mean, to say I would is one thing but I don't know if that would have been any better. I just don't know how I would react and I am sure it all moved so quickly. It was mentioned on most of the stations reporting on this that she put up a FB post that was pretty quickly deleted.
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It is RIDICULOUS to vilify these parents, kids get away from their parents it happens...they hid in clothing racks, run off and it all happens in a SPLIT SECOND, every day to all kinds of parents. Bravo to those parents who have never ever ever taken their eye off their child for one second.
The ZOO is at fault here, how do they have an enclosure so weak that it can be easily and quickly breached by a small child?
Its unfortunate for all, for the parents who are now receiving death threats. Lets be real here, these are not from people who are regular activists, on a day to day basis, 90% of the people flipping out don't give a shit about animals. They eat their meat, wear their leather shoes, take their kids to the zoo etc. All this is is the angry internet mob mentality....same as the cow from Benners. Soon everyone will move on to the next sensationalized story and be all up in arms about something they are passionate about for a week.
It is unfortunate and heartbreaking that the Gorilla had to be killed but that is not on the parents, they are NOT the ones who made that call. Also on the zoo.
There are no winners here but accidents happen ALL THE TIME, kids wander off ALL THE TIME, every day it happens to the best of parents....every.single.day. The circumstances surrounding this one just happen to be REALLY REALLY unfortunate.
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
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This whole "controversy" is really agitating me.
If the zoo delayed in reacting or tried tranquilizing the gorilla first and that kid was killed, the public outrage would be enormous. Every animal expert I have seen giving commentary on this is 100% supportive of the zoo's decision. The peanut gallery needs to take a seat.
Speaking of the peanut gallery, I wonder how many of the critics are parents. If they are a parent, I wonder how often, if at all, they take their small child out in public. Anyone that has taken their kid anywhere, especially a place that is exciting and stimulating like a zoo or a carnival or an amusement park, etc., knows how fast your kid can escape you and fall out of sight. Any parent who says they have never ever lost sight of their kid is a liar. The way this mother is being villainized is disgraceful.
This whole incident is a terrible tragedy but it was an accident. That's that.
I am parent of two small kids (ages 3 and 7). I've taken them to amusement parks, zoos, parks, stores, EVERYWHERE and when I am in public with them, I'm on them like a hawk! I've never lost sight of my kids in a public place, NOT EVER. They are either right next to me holding the wagon, holding my hand, or in the stroller. Please explain how you manage to lost sight of your child long enough for them to climb a wall into a gorilla cage??!?!
I'm so tired of this nonsense where people excuse every bit of $hit parenting out there. We make excuses for why someone left their kid in a hot car and their child died, now we're making excuses for a parent who couldn't watch their kid well enough to avoid them gaining access to a gorilla cage, and we continue to excuse parents whose actions result in a thousand other horrifying things you hear about in the news.
This was a case of lousy parenting, there is NO excuse for your FOUR YEAR OLD CHILD to be able to make his way into a gorilla habitat. Call me a b!tch but I blame the mother 100% and if she was watching her child the entire incident wouldn't have occurred. She should count her lucky stars that gorilla didn't kill her kid! I've had enough of this PC cr@p where we aren't suppose to criticize or blame the parent. BS. There is a ton of $hit parenting out there that SHOULD be called out so that things like this don't happen in the future.
I can't tell you how many times I see kids in public running all over the place with no parent in sight. Or with some parent off in the distance too busy with their phone to bother giving a cr@p that their kids are running all over the place. I see it ALL the time. NOT every parent is a good parent. NOT everyone watches their kids like they should. So can we as a society just stop pretending like those facts aren't true. Call a spade a spade................some parents SUCK at their job. Period.
Additionally, I also blame the zoo because they should have proper safety measures in place at all of their exhibits so something like this cannot ever happen. If a 4 yr old can so easily make their way into the exhibit that means the zoo failed both its patrons and its animals.
I think it was a very unfortunate accident and while I realize there was likely no other choice but to kill this animal I just find it sad that an innocent animal had to die because of stupid human mistakes. I think people are more upset that this had to happen in the first place and not so much that the only choice was to kill the gorilla. If the zoo had proper measures in place and the parents were on top of their kids, none of this would've had to happen.
ETA - And before it's typed................no, I do NOT think I am a perfect parent but I won't excuse someone else's cr@p parenting when I see it. That mom failed her child. That zoo failed its animals and patrons.
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For those who say "how did he have time to crawl in there?" - if you lose sight of your child at the zoo, where is the first place you turn to look? I'm pretty sure 99% of us would turn towards the walkways where people are and start looking around there, and not towards the gorilla enclosure. Regardless of the fact the child said he wanted to go in there, 4 year olds say a lot of things that they have no intention of acting on.
But really, none of us know the family or situation...
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident
Posted by Hofstra26
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This whole "controversy" is really agitating me.
If the zoo delayed in reacting or tried tranquilizing the gorilla first and that kid was killed, the public outrage would be enormous. Every animal expert I have seen giving commentary on this is 100% supportive of the zoo's decision. The peanut gallery needs to take a seat.
Speaking of the peanut gallery, I wonder how many of the critics are parents. If they are a parent, I wonder how often, if at all, they take their small child out in public. Anyone that has taken their kid anywhere, especially a place that is exciting and stimulating like a zoo or a carnival or an amusement park, etc., knows how fast your kid can escape you and fall out of sight. Any parent who says they have never ever lost sight of their kid is a liar. The way this mother is being villainized is disgraceful.
This whole incident is a terrible tragedy but it was an accident. That's that.
I am parent of two small kids (ages 3 and 7). I've taken them to amusement parks, zoos, parks, stores, EVERYWHERE and when I am in public with them, I'm on them like a hawk! I've never lost sight of my kids in a public place, NOT EVER. They are either right next to me holding the wagon, holding my hand, or in the stroller. Please explain how you manage to lost sight of your child long enough for them to climb a wall into a gorilla cage??!?!
I'm so tired of this nonsense where people excuse every bit of $hit parenting out there. We make excuses for why someone left their kid in a hot car and their child died, now we're making excuses for a parent who couldn't watch their kid well enough to avoid them gaining access to a gorilla cage, and we continue to excuse parents whose actions result in a thousand other horrifying things you hear about in the news.
This was a case of lousy parenting, there is NO excuse for your FOUR YEAR OLD CHILD to be able to make his way into a gorilla habitat. Call me a b!tch but I blame the mother 100% and if she was watching her child the entire incident wouldn't have occurred. She should count her lucky stars that gorilla didn't kill her kid! I've had enough of this PC cr@p where we aren't suppose to criticize or blame the parent. BS. There is a ton of $hit parenting out there that SHOULD be called out so that things like this don't happen in the future.
I can't tell you how many times I see kids in public running all over the place with no parent in sight. Or with some parent off in the distance too busy with their phone to bother giving a cr@p that their kids are running all over the place. I see it ALL the time. NOT every parent is a good parent. NOT everyone watches their kids like they should. So can we as a society just stop pretending like those facts aren't true. Call a spade a spade................some parents SUCK at their job. Period.
Additionally, I also blame the zoo because they should have proper safety measures in place at all of their exhibits so something like this cannot ever happen. If a 4 yr old can so easily make their way into the exhibit that means the zoo failed both its patrons and its animals.
I think it was a very unfortunate accident and while I realize there was likely no other choice but to kill this animal I just find it sad that an innocent animal had to die because of stupid human mistakes. I think people are more upset that this had to happen in the first place and not so much that the only choice was to kill the gorilla. If the zoo had proper measures in place and the parents were on top of their kids, none of this would've had to happen.
ETA - And before it's typed................no, I do NOT think I am a perfect parent but I won't excuse someone else's cr@p parenting when I see it. That mom failed her child. That zoo failed its animals and patrons.
Hofstra - you complete me! Perfectly, perfectly said!!
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