eireann was right :)

Message edited 7/5/2009 11:21:58 PM.

Re: I have never started drama, but this p*ssed me off

all i have to say is wow

Re: I have never started drama, but this p*ssed me off

I mean I can see validity in those who have to pic up a working moms slack...I personally do not let that happen so when I am out, I make sure everything I have to do is taken care of first. Its the actually hatred that some of the women were spewing that gets me.

Re: I have never started drama, but this p*ssed me off

And I NEVER post on "drama threads," but with all due respect, I think it was wrong of you to bring it over here.

Childfree families have different issues, perspectives, etc. than you or I might have. They have a board to discuss things from THOSE perspectives--not to argue their points with you or me. If they came onto the Parenting board and started flaming parents for taking more time off (or whatever the particular post was about...), I would expect you to get upset. But that post wasn't addressed to US. I feel sad that several members over there felt censored BECAUSE of parents taking offense at their perspectives.

And for the record, assuming that 18 YEAR old was a normally abled individual who is going to the gym for recreation or whatever, then yes, I feel he/she is a spoiled brat and agree with that poster...take a freakin' bus!

Re: I have never started drama, but this p*ssed me off

Posted by Eireann

And I NEVER post on "drama threads," but with all due respect, I think it was wrong of you to bring it over here.

Childfree families have different issues, perspectives, etc. than you or I might have. They have a board to discuss things from THOSE perspectives--not to argue their points with you or me. If they came onto the Parenting board and started flaming parents for taking more time off (or whatever the particular post was about...), I would expect you to get upset. But that post wasn't addressed to US. I feel sad that several members over there felt censored BECAUSE of parents taking offense at their perspectives.

And for the record, assuming that 18 YEAR old was a normally abled individual who is going to the gym for recreation or whatever, then yes, I feel he/she is a spoiled brat and agree with that poster...take a freakin' bus!

Re: I have never started drama, but this p*ssed me off

Re: eireann was right :)

I read it a few days ago, and all I thought to myself was that there was no way they could ever understand unless/until they had children of their own.

Things come up when you have kids, lots of things. I will be the first to say that my career took a backseat to my babies. Not everyone's does. Then there are also the people who take advantage in any given situation.

I try not to get too annoyed at that board, because I shared many of the same views, until I had children of my own.

Re: eireann was right :)

Posted by Eireann

And I NEVER post on "drama threads," but with all due respect, I think it was wrong of you to bring it over here.

Childfree families have different issues, perspectives, etc. than you or I might have. They have a board to discuss things from THOSE perspectives--not to argue their points with you or me. If they came onto the Parenting board and started flaming parents for taking more time off (or whatever the particular post was about...), I would expect you to get upset. But that post wasn't addressed to US. I feel sad that several members over there felt censored BECAUSE of parents taking offense at their perspectives.

And for the record, assuming that 18 YEAR old was a normally abled individual who is going to the gym for recreation or whatever, then yes, I feel he/she is a spoiled brat and agree with that poster...take a freakin' bus!

Re: eireann was right :)

Considering the special compensation mothers get in the workplace in other countries, the US is actually very far behind.

In Spain you get 16 weeks MINIMUM fully paid maternity leave. Then for 9 months you get an ADDITIONAL hour break, originally so you can nurse or pump (even if your DC is formula fed). Mothers also get additonal vacation and sick days, and are entitled to the same cost-of-living pay increase as all other employees. They can take up to 3 years off to take care of the child until school age, at which point they can return to their previous job at the salary plus any increases over that time that they may have gotten.

The goverments of what I like to call enlightened countries have put these practices in place to ensure a healthy and well-cared-for population......it's really an investement in the future.

Interesting article....
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-07-26-maternity-leave_x.htm

Re: eireann was right :)

Posted by Eireann

And I NEVER post on "drama threads," but with all due respect, I think it was wrong of you to bring it over here.

Childfree families have different issues, perspectives, etc. than you or I might have. They have a board to discuss things from THOSE perspectives--not to argue their points with you or me. If they came onto the Parenting board and started flaming parents for taking more time off (or whatever the particular post was about...), I would expect you to get upset. But that post wasn't addressed to US. I feel sad that several members over there felt censored BECAUSE of parents taking offense at their perspectives.

And for the record, assuming that 18 YEAR old was a normally abled individual who is going to the gym for recreation or whatever, then yes, I feel he/she is a spoiled brat and agree with that poster...take a freakin' bus!

Re: eireann was right :)

Re: eireann was right :)

Posted by headoverheels

Posted by Lisa

Thank you...I wish more parents on this boad understood that the childless board is a place for US the childless to discuss things..,NOT have parents jump down our thoats everytime something is posted that they dont like....

i honestly did not see that. i do see parents offering their opinions (and yes, i understand why the collective "you" do not appreciate that, and why the CF members frind that irritating) but i have never seen a parent jump down anyone's throat.

maybe i am not lurking on the right threads

Re: eireann was right :)

Truth is, while I might not agree to everything said there, it's really none of my business, and not directed at ME personally so there's no need to get so defensive.

And for the record - as a full-time working mom myself, who has faced some really serious discrimination from a former employer regarding my status as a mother, it irritates the crap out of me when anyone uses excuses to bend the rules for time off.

The job I have now I absolutely LOVE because we all have to abide by the same, strict, federal guidelines. If I have a doctor appointment for Alex, or if she is sick, I don't get any preferential treatment, just as when I had to take care of my father and take him to appointments - just like everyone else, I'm expected to use my vacation or sick time, and if I don't have enough, I take unpaid leave. I make sure I come in very early to make up the time, or build up credit hours that I can take for those kind of emergencies.

I really don't think that parents, or anyone, deserves preferential treatment. Everyone has their issues, whether it's a sick child, parent, spouse or pet. It doesn't really matter what the issue is, what it boils down to is that we are each responsible for handling those responsibilities maturely and respectfully without encumbering our co-workers.