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I don't know much about the program. It sounds like it's for low income families. So it allows the state to pay for school/daycare/childcare whatever you want to call it for families who cannot afford childcare. Without state funded childcare, these families would not work. They would live off the government in other ways- welfare, food stamps, etc.
Guess what? If I have to pay the freaking taxes, I'd rather they go to SOMEONE WHO WORKS. Someone who is putting in the effort to make a better life for themselves and their child.
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Re: DiBlasio looking to offer free school for all of NYC's 3 year olds
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A 3 yr old doesn't need to be in school IMO. They'll have a YEARS and YEARS of schooling and education, at age 3............stay home, play, and be a kid.
totally agree
With all due respect Hofstra...I know you're a SAHM, previous teacher, that I'm sure provides a TON of enrichment for your children. Reading, cooking, playing games, talking to them all day. Going to the park, visiting friends, taking a trip to the zoo or aquarium. Your three-year-old would not need to be in a program like this because you're providing all of this at home. Not everyone is able to provide this kind of environment for their children.
Not everyone can do this for their kids. Most cant. Be happy that you can...
I'll start by saying that I am NOT a huge proponent of Pre-K in general. I don't feel like it's necessary and I don't like how we're pushing our kids into a structured school environment at a younger and younger age. I don't think it's necessary that a 4 yr old can write their name or count to 100. But that's just me. I didn't go to Pre-K and I didn't send my own DD to Pre-K and she's excelling in school despite not going.
To that end, Pre-K is age 4, not 3. Age 3 is a toddler therefore, this sounds more like state funded daycare to me than "school".
Lastly, while I am fortunate to be able to be a SAHM EVERYONE has the capacity to be a good, nurturing, involved, caring, loving parent who plays with their child, teaches their child, talks with their child, and encourages their growth and development. That is a parents job, not the states. Just my two cents.
I don't think being a caring, loving, nurturing parent has anything to do with this. While loving, caring parents are working long hours to provide for their kids, they are sometimes left with suboptimal childcare options. Caregivers that don't speak english, or don't read/play with the child.
I agree with you that 3 is too young for a full day in school, but that's because my kids are lucky enough to have access to books, language, and constant interaction at home.
I think this is a good thing for a specific population, not for every 3 year old.
I am a loving caring parent but I do not have the ability to stay at home with my DS nor do I even have 3 hrs to sprnd with my DS working on everything he learns at his daycare and now his pre K. I thank God every day I have a wonderful day care and Pre K to support my family.
So for Hofstra to even suggest that people who work long hours and need these services are not loving and nuturing is insane.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on when to send a child to school but to say parents aren't loving and nurturing because they have to work and don't have the hours in the day is so judgmental.
You missed the point I was making ENTIRELY. The poster above said I should be thankful that I can provide an enriching environment for my kids and MY POINT was that EVERY parent can do that whether they work or not. My being a SAHM doesn't mean I'm doing something with my kids that is exclusive to my being home with them. EVERY parent can nurture their kids with whatever time they have, working or being home doesn't take away from the type of parent you are or can be.
MY POINT was this doesn't sound like SCHOOL he's proposing, it sounds like DAY CARE which shouldn't be funded by the state.
I wasn't judging anyone's parenting, you misread.
Daycare is school. And I do not feel I misread your post.
I am a teacher. Daycare is not school!! I am not a babysitter. Sorry I'm getting off the original topic, but this mentality makes me so mad. Do not send your child to school when he/she is sick as a dog with a fever, because you have no one to care for your child. It is not fair to everyone else in the class. (On that note you should not be sending your child to daycare suck either.) Sorry to hijack the post, but you completely misread what Hofstra was saying.
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Re: DiBlasio looking to offer free school for all of NYC's 3 year olds
Posted by sourpatchkids
Posted by alli3131
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by ap123
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by olive98
Posted by Katareen
Posted by Diane
Posted by Hofstra26
A 3 yr old doesn't need to be in school IMO. They'll have a YEARS and YEARS of schooling and education, at age 3............stay home, play, and be a kid.
totally agree
With all due respect Hofstra...I know you're a SAHM, previous teacher, that I'm sure provides a TON of enrichment for your children. Reading, cooking, playing games, talking to them all day. Going to the park, visiting friends, taking a trip to the zoo or aquarium. Your three-year-old would not need to be in a program like this because you're providing all of this at home. Not everyone is able to provide this kind of environment for their children.
Not everyone can do this for their kids. Most cant. Be happy that you can...
I'll start by saying that I am NOT a huge proponent of Pre-K in general. I don't feel like it's necessary and I don't like how we're pushing our kids into a structured school environment at a younger and younger age. I don't think it's necessary that a 4 yr old can write their name or count to 100. But that's just me. I didn't go to Pre-K and I didn't send my own DD to Pre-K and she's excelling in school despite not going.
To that end, Pre-K is age 4, not 3. Age 3 is a toddler therefore, this sounds more like state funded daycare to me than "school".
Lastly, while I am fortunate to be able to be a SAHM EVERYONE has the capacity to be a good, nurturing, involved, caring, loving parent who plays with their child, teaches their child, talks with their child, and encourages their growth and development. That is a parents job, not the states. Just my two cents.
I don't think being a caring, loving, nurturing parent has anything to do with this. While loving, caring parents are working long hours to provide for their kids, they are sometimes left with suboptimal childcare options. Caregivers that don't speak english, or don't read/play with the child.
I agree with you that 3 is too young for a full day in school, but that's because my kids are lucky enough to have access to books, language, and constant interaction at home.
I think this is a good thing for a specific population, not for every 3 year old.
I am a loving caring parent but I do not have the ability to stay at home with my DS nor do I even have 3 hrs to sprnd with my DS working on everything he learns at his daycare and now his pre K. I thank God every day I have a wonderful day care and Pre K to support my family.
So for Hofstra to even suggest that people who work long hours and need these services are not loving and nuturing is insane.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on when to send a child to school but to say parents aren't loving and nurturing because they have to work and don't have the hours in the day is so judgmental.
You missed the point I was making ENTIRELY. The poster above said I should be thankful that I can provide an enriching environment for my kids and MY POINT was that EVERY parent can do that whether they work or not. My being a SAHM doesn't mean I'm doing something with my kids that is exclusive to my being home with them. EVERY parent can nurture their kids with whatever time they have, working or being home doesn't take away from the type of parent you are or can be.
MY POINT was this doesn't sound like SCHOOL he's proposing, it sounds like DAY CARE which shouldn't be funded by the state.
I wasn't judging anyone's parenting, you misread.
Daycare is school. And I do not feel I misread your post.
I am a teacher. Daycare is not school!! I am not a babysitter. Sorry I'm getting off the original topic, but this mentality makes me so mad. Do not send your child to school when he/she is sick as a dog with a fever, because you have no one to care for your child. It is not fair to everyone else in the class. (On that note you should not be sending your child to daycare suck either.) Sorry to hijack the post, but you completely misread what Hofstra was saying.
Whoa who said I was sending my kid anywhere sick. Daycare is childcare but every single one of his teachers is that a teacher. They are not. Abysitting my kid. I have way more respect for them than to ever call them that. The rooms are run like a school. There is curriculum and set schedules for age appropriate play and learning. And it has been that was since he was there as an infant.
So yes his daycare is a school.
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Whoa who said I was sending my kid anywhere sick. Daycare is childcare but every single one of his teachers is that a teacher. They are not. Abysitting my kid. I have way more respect for them than to ever call them that. The rooms are run like a school. There is curriculum and set schedules for age appropriate play and learning. And it has been that was since he was there as an infant.
So yes his daycare is a school.
I remember when I worked in daycare years ago, we all knew the parents looked at us as nothing more than glorified babysitters. We worked so hard with those kids, all classrooms had a curriculum. 18 month olds were sitting in circle time, and had a theme of the week, science projects, etc. I am no longer in the child care field, but thank you for appreciating what child care workers do. They are, IMO, some of the most underappreciated people on the planet.
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Re: DiBlasio looking to offer free school for all of NYC's 3 year olds
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Putting funding related concerns aside, there have been studies which show that kids from high poverty areas enter school being exposed to 30 million fewer words than more middle class and affluent peers. It impacts these kids through their entire academic lives. I think preschool for 3 year olds could go a long way towards getting these kids more prepared for school, even if it's not academic in nature.
This is important! Studies have shown subsidized preschool programs help close the social class achievement gap seen later. So many kids grow up in homes that lack quality care that they slip through the cracks (sometimes with undiagnosed developmental delays and learning disabilities, hearing or visual impairments, etc) until kindergarten.
Those of you who've written that 3 year olds need unstructured play, and do not benefit from school, you are right for your family because you're providing great care for your kids -- taking them to their pediatrician appointments, going to museums, speaking and reading to them regularly, and everything else that comes with being a good parent. Some kids in impoverished homes do not benefit from these things and suffer later, and the cycle continues.
NYC UPK is funded through a dedicated tax on households making over 500k/year, and I'm guessing this program would be funded similarly.
Yes to all of this. Hopefully these early child education programs will help to close the social class achievement gap.
Yes yes yes yes yes !!!!!!!! I'm an administrator in one of those areas and I can tell you first hand - it would be GREAT to have my students exposed to literacy, numbers, shapes, colors etc that early. Bc whether you want to call it "free daycare" or whatnot - the fact is they NEED that exposure. The gaps are far too great; getting them acquainted that early will set them up for a greater chance of success. Don't we want to nurture and grow successful citizens ?
And to those saying 3 year olds don't need school - do you know what their day will look like? Did anyone come out saying here is the schedule for what the 3 year old will be doing? I can't imagine it will resemble a K , 1, 2 class. If I'm wrong, I'll stand corrected.
My main point is this: in under privileged areas, nursery school is not always an option, and 3 for all as an option will help serve them and prepare them for the future. It's not just about money and those parents wanting free daycare. It's about providing opportunities parents may not be aware of, or able to provide themselves. You can't just put a 3 year old on a bus or train to go attend nursery school which isn't available in your community... but send them a few hours a day to the local elementary - that's feasible.
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Re: DiBlasio looking to offer free school for all of NYC's 3 year olds
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Whoa who said I was sending my kid anywhere sick. Daycare is childcare but every single one of his teachers is that a teacher. They are not. Abysitting my kid. I have way more respect for them than to ever call them that. The rooms are run like a school. There is curriculum and set schedules for age appropriate play and learning. And it has been that was since he was there as an infant.
So yes his daycare is a school.
I remember when I worked in daycare years ago, we all knew the parents looked at us as nothing more than glorified babysitters. We worked so hard with those kids, all classrooms had a curriculum. 18 month olds were sitting in circle time, and had a theme of the week, science projects, etc. I am no longer in the child care field, but thank you for appreciating what child care workers do. They are, IMO, some of the most underappreciated people on the planet.
Some of the "babysitters" in my DD's daycare have masters degrees. All head or permanent assistant teachers have their bachelor's in early childhood ed. Floaters are all finishing up their degrees. They have a full on curriculum in my DD's class, which is 12-18 months- circle time, music, dance, manners, math, art, reading. Of course it's a school. The teachers are no different than if they were out teaching kindergarten in a public school.....you know, except for the fact that they get paid crap and don't have summers off.
So maybe some daycares let the kids run amok and hire people off the street, but not all do. Mine certainly does not.
I think these teachers have one of the hardest jobs in the world. If I ever heard another parent insult any of them I'd punch them in the throat.
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Re: DiBlasio looking to offer free school for all of NYC's 3 year olds
I've worked in daycare centers (in different states too) and in public school settings. Teaching in a daycare center and teaching in a public school aren't even comparable. I'm sorry, but they are not. I don't doubt daycare teachers work hard, I'm not arguing that, but it's just a whole different ball of wax teaching grades K-6..........and I say this from PERSONAL experience having done both. It's nowhere near the same thing.
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Re: DiBlasio looking to offer free school for all of NYC's 3 year olds
Posted by Hofstra26
I've worked in daycare centers (in different states too) and in public school settings. Teaching in a daycare center and teaching in a public school aren't even comparable. I'm sorry, but they are not. I don't doubt daycare teachers work hard, I'm not arguing that, but it's just a whole different ball of wax teaching grades K-6..........and I say this from PERSONAL experience having done both. It's nowhere near the same thing.
You can say that about any age - I.e. K versus High school; Middle School versus Higher Education (I've done both). It doesn't lessen that it is teaching. A K teacher has a drastically different job than a 10th grade teacher, yet you don't typically hear people downplaying K teachers. It's all about perspective. Daycare "workers" are teachers.
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Re: DiBlasio looking to offer free school for all of NYC's 3 year olds
Posted by Michelle1110
Posted by Maybe-Baybe
Posted by spartagoose
Putting funding related concerns aside, there have been studies which show that kids from high poverty areas enter school being exposed to 30 million fewer words than more middle class and affluent peers. It impacts these kids through their entire academic lives. I think preschool for 3 year olds could go a long way towards getting these kids more prepared for school, even if it's not academic in nature.
This is important! Studies have shown subsidized preschool programs help close the social class achievement gap seen later. So many kids grow up in homes that lack quality care that they slip through the cracks (sometimes with undiagnosed developmental delays and learning disabilities, hearing or visual impairments, etc) until kindergarten.
Those of you who've written that 3 year olds need unstructured play, and do not benefit from school, you are right for your family because you're providing great care for your kids -- taking them to their pediatrician appointments, going to museums, speaking and reading to them regularly, and everything else that comes with being a good parent. Some kids in impoverished homes do not benefit from these things and suffer later, and the cycle continues.
NYC UPK is funded through a dedicated tax on households making over 500k/year, and I'm guessing this program would be funded similarly.
Yes to all of this. Hopefully these early child education programs will help to close the social class achievement gap.
Yes yes yes yes yes !!!!!!!! I'm an administrator in one of those areas and I can tell you first hand - it would be GREAT to have my students exposed to literacy, numbers, shapes, colors etc that early. Bc whether you want to call it "free daycare" or whatnot - the fact is they NEED that exposure. The gaps are far too great; getting them acquainted that early will set them up for a greater chance of success. Don't we want to nurture and grow successful citizens ?
And to those saying 3 year olds don't need school - do you know what their day will look like? Did anyone come out saying here is the schedule for what the 3 year old will be doing? I can't imagine it will resemble a K , 1, 2 class. If I'm wrong, I'll stand corrected.
My main point is this: in under privileged areas, nursery school is not always an option, and 3 for all as an option will help serve them and prepare them for the future. It's not just about money and those parents wanting free daycare. It's about providing opportunities parents may not be aware of, or able to provide themselves. You can't just put a 3 year old on a bus or train to go attend nursery school which isn't available in your community... but send them a few hours a day to the local elementary - that's feasible.
I get this. BUT the plan is to start in the needy areas and then EXPAND city wide. Is that necessary? Why not just stick with head start type programs in low income zip codes? Again its a 1 billion $ project !
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Re: DiBlasio looking to offer free school for all of NYC's 3 year olds
I was discussing this with my husband last night. He thinks it is a great idea, because maybe it will get the parents out and try to find jobs??
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Re: DiBlasio looking to offer free school for all of NYC's 3 year olds
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I've worked in daycare centers (in different states too) and in public school settings. Teaching in a daycare center and teaching in a public school aren't even comparable. I'm sorry, but they are not. I don't doubt daycare teachers work hard, I'm not arguing that, but it's just a whole different ball of wax teaching grades K-6..........and I say this from PERSONAL experience having done both. It's nowhere near the same thing.
You can say that about any age - I.e. K versus High school; Middle School versus Higher Education (I've done both). It doesn't lessen that it is teaching. A K teacher has a drastically different job than a 10th grade teacher, yet you don't typically hear people downplaying K teachers. It's all about perspective. Daycare "workers" are teachers.
There are no state mandates, no curriculum requirements, and no accountability before the elementary level. Working in a daycare setting is not anywhere near the same as teaching at the elementary, MS, or HS level. It's not school below age 5, it's childcare. You are not mandated to attend school from ages 1-5 therefore, there are no requirements for what is taught or done in those settings, it's center specific. They might do a cute unit on bugs or teach letters and that's great to expose kids to different concepts but what teachers in a daycare setting are doing is nothing like the stress and curriculum demands of a teacher in grades K-12. I say this from EXPERIENCE, I've done BOTH.
You teach in a daycare setting but free of the demands and constraints of curriculum, state learning standards, and testing. It's DEFINTELY a less stressful, more relaxed, and more fun learning environment. The focus is still more on play and social interaction in a childcare setting........ As it should be.
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Re: DiBlasio looking to offer free school for all of NYC's 3 year olds
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DiBlasio looking to offer free school for all of NYC's 3 year olds
After thinking it over a bit more i think it should be limited to lower income communities , but I see no need for it elsewhere.
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I was discussing this with my husband last night. He thinks it is a great idea, because maybe it will get the parents out and try to find jobs??
What does this mean? Can you elaborate?
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Re: DiBlasio looking to offer free school for all of NYC's 3 year olds
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Michelle1110
Posted by Hofstra26
I've worked in daycare centers (in different states too) and in public school settings. Teaching in a daycare center and teaching in a public school aren't even comparable. I'm sorry, but they are not. I don't doubt daycare teachers work hard, I'm not arguing that, but it's just a whole different ball of wax teaching grades K-6..........and I say this from PERSONAL experience having done both. It's nowhere near the same thing.
You can say that about any age - I.e. K versus High school; Middle School versus Higher Education (I've done both). It doesn't lessen that it is teaching. A K teacher has a drastically different job than a 10th grade teacher, yet you don't typically hear people downplaying K teachers. It's all about perspective. Daycare "workers" are teachers.
There are no state mandates, no curriculum requirements, and no accountability before the elementary level. Working in a daycare setting is not anywhere near the same as teaching at the elementary, MS, or HS level. It's not school below age 5, it's childcare. You are not mandated to attend school from ages 1-5 therefore, there are no requirements for what is taught or done in those settings, it's center specific. They might do a cute unit on bugs or teach letters and that's great to expose kids to different concepts but what teachers in a daycare setting are doing is nothing like the stress and curriculum demands of a teacher in grades K-12. I say this from EXPERIENCE, I've done BOTH.
You teach in a daycare setting but free of the demands and constraints of curriculum, state learning standards, and testing. It's DEFINTELY a less stressful, more relaxed, and more fun learning environment. The focus is still more on play and social interaction in a childcare setting........ As it should be.
I agree. If it's consider "school", how does Danielson fall into all this? The lack of a standardized curriculum makes it childcare and not school.
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Re: DiBlasio looking to offer free school for all of NYC's 3 year olds
Posted by quasi3
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Michelle1110
Posted by Hofstra26
I've worked in daycare centers (in different states too) and in public school settings. Teaching in a daycare center and teaching in a public school aren't even comparable. I'm sorry, but they are not. I don't doubt daycare teachers work hard, I'm not arguing that, but it's just a whole different ball of wax teaching grades K-6..........and I say this from PERSONAL experience having done both. It's nowhere near the same thing.
You can say that about any age - I.e. K versus High school; Middle School versus Higher Education (I've done both). It doesn't lessen that it is teaching. A K teacher has a drastically different job than a 10th grade teacher, yet you don't typically hear people downplaying K teachers. It's all about perspective. Daycare "workers" are teachers.
There are no state mandates, no curriculum requirements, and no accountability before the elementary level. Working in a daycare setting is not anywhere near the same as teaching at the elementary, MS, or HS level. It's not school below age 5, it's childcare. You are not mandated to attend school from ages 1-5 therefore, there are no requirements for what is taught or done in those settings, it's center specific. They might do a cute unit on bugs or teach letters and that's great to expose kids to different concepts but what teachers in a daycare setting are doing is nothing like the stress and curriculum demands of a teacher in grades K-12. I say this from EXPERIENCE, I've done BOTH.
You teach in a daycare setting but free of the demands and constraints of curriculum, state learning standards, and testing. It's DEFINTELY a less stressful, more relaxed, and more fun learning environment. The focus is still more on play and social interaction in a childcare setting........ As it should be.
I agree. If it's consider "school", how does Danielson fall into all this? The lack of a standardized curriculum makes it childcare and not school.
I think everyone is taking the "school" too literally. It is going to be a structured class for children to attend. If people are so worried about not following a true ciriculum then why don't we just do away with Pre-K and K too for that matter. None of it is mandated. Also not for nothing but my daughter started SCHOOL at 3 years old due to her disability. It was not daycare and it was not babysitting. She was learning from teachers. Yes it was alot of play based activities but it was still teaching.
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