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BriBri2u
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
Posted by AllyMally
They are conservative Christians. Teaching hate and spreading hate is one thing but teaching Jesus and what the Bible says is another. They have their belief's and they are allowed to have and teach them. Just as everyone else is. Just because you don't agree with mainstream society doesn't mean you are hateful or teaching hate. In fact in many ways it's nothing to do with hate at all just the teachings. If you watched last night you would here he is just about done with a 2 year program at college and looking into ministry. Just because it's a life YOU don't like doesn't mean it's hateful or sad that they are having a baby. That's like me saying because you care calling them hateful you, yourself, are as well. Why is it anyone against a cons. christian is allowed to be a turd in the name of equality but to even have a different view point makes us hateful? What a double standard to fit an agenda of "love". You must love and accept everyone but I can hate you and call you names because of what you believe.
Thank you!!!
Very well said. Everyone going on about them being in a cult and spewing hate is so off basis. They do not shove any of their beliefs down anyone's throat. If you choose to read and follow what they say that is your choice. However, they are not going around telling YOU that you are wrong in your beliefs and the way you raise your children.
Also, there are plenty of posters on these boards who had children the same age as these girls are. Are we to call their children sad too???
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
Posted by Sparrow
I say congratulations! Just because they don't live a life that's "normal" in accordance with the current societal norms in this county doesn't mean they're wrong. I think it's pretty closed minded to say they're wrong just because it's not how you choose to do things. They teach their children their beliefs, which I think is what all parents do. They're not hurting anyone.
I like them.
I don't agree with some of their views/values- but I still like them.
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
Posted by AllyMally
Just because you don't agree with mainstream society doesn't mean you are hateful or teaching hate. In fact in many ways it's nothing to do with hate at all just the teachings. If you watched last night you would here he is just about done with a 2 year program at college and looking into ministry. Just because it's a life YOU don't like doesn't mean it's hateful or sad that they are having a baby. That's like me saying because you care calling them hateful you, yourself, are as well. Why is it anyone against a cons. christian is allowed to be a turd in the name of equality but to even have a different view point makes us hateful?
Calling someone out on their desire to deny people their civil rights is NOT the same as calling someone out for their lifestyle and then working to deny them said civil right.
Apples and oranges.
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
Posted by AllyMally
They are conservative Christians. Teaching hate and spreading hate is one thing but teaching Jesus and what the Bible says is another. They have their belief's and they are allowed to have and teach them. Just as everyone else is. Just because you don't agree with mainstream society doesn't mean you are hateful or teaching hate. In fact in many ways it's nothing to do with hate at all just the teachings. If you watched last night you would here he is just about done with a 2 year program at college and looking into ministry. Just because it's a life YOU don't like doesn't mean it's hateful or sad that they are having a baby. That's like me saying because you care calling them hateful you, yourself, are as well. Why is it anyone against a cons. christian is allowed to be a turd in the name of equality but to even have a different view point makes us hateful? What a double standard to fit an agenda of "love". You must love and accept everyone but I can hate you and call you names because of what you believe.
Have you heard his rants against Catholics? There is more to a tv show that makes them look like good people.
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Another Duggar on the Way
I have never watched an episode so I don't even know who these people are.
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
Posted by july4mrsO
I don't watch the show. I don't agree with a lot of their beliefs from what I've read about them. But I don't think there's anything wrong with getting married young and having kids so long as you've got your head on straight and you can support them. In my own very non-religious family, we've had family members who became parents at 19/20 and raised their kids just fine with no public assistance. So I don't see the issue there. However at the same time, they chose to turn their private lives into a tv show. And with that they are opening themselves up to criticism. I don't go out of my way to bash them because I've never seen the show but I can see why they rub people the wrong way. And if you choose to put your life and your beliefs in the public eye then I don't feel sorry for you when people criticize you. Yes they are entitled to their beliefs but others are also entitled to disagree with them.
Nope there is nothing wrong with getting married young and having kids. IF you are supporting yourself, without the help of daddy and are a litttle mature.
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
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Posted by AllyMally
They are conservative Christians. Teaching hate and spreading hate is one thing but teaching Jesus and what the Bible says is another. They have their belief's and they are allowed to have and teach them. Just as everyone else is. Just because you don't agree with mainstream society doesn't mean you are hateful or teaching hate. In fact in many ways it's nothing to do with hate at all just the teachings. If you watched last night you would here he is just about done with a 2 year program at college and looking into ministry. Just because it's a life YOU don't like doesn't mean it's hateful or sad that they are having a baby. That's like me saying because you care calling them hateful you, yourself, are as well. Why is it anyone against a cons. christian is allowed to be a turd in the name of equality but to even have a different view point makes us hateful? What a double standard to fit an agenda of "love". You must love and accept everyone but I can hate you and call you names because of what you believe.
Thank you!!!
Very well said. Everyone going on about them being in a cult and spewing hate is so off basis. They do not shove any of their beliefs down anyone's throat. If you choose to read and follow what they say that is your choice. However, they are not going around telling YOU that you are wrong in your beliefs and the way you raise your children.
Also, there are plenty of posters on these boards who had children the same age as these girls are. Are we to call their children sad too???
Really? Campaigning and robocalling people is not shoving it down anyone's throats?
I would call anyone who is like them, sad, yes. They know no better though as that is how they are raised. They need to mature and form their own opinions, travel, have friends outside of he Gothard circle before marrying and having kids.
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Another Duggar on the Way
I think the point is that they CAN'T support their kids. Ben is 19 years old and attends online community college classes. He wants to go into the ministry? Well guess what, he's not making squat doing that. And Jessa isn't allowed to work. None of the women are allowed to work, their ONLY purpose in life is to marry and have children.
Michelle has written parenting books! She's an awful parent- how do you not teach your daughters to be self sufficient or think for themselves? Or teach your sons to respect women and not assume that they exist only to serve men? They are essentially glamorizing mental abuse.
And don't even get me started on how they treat the gays or the fact that they're tax evaders.
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
Posted by afternoondelight828
Posted by BriBri2u
Posted by AllyMally
They are conservative Christians. Teaching hate and spreading hate is one thing but teaching Jesus and what the Bible says is another. They have their belief's and they are allowed to have and teach them. Just as everyone else is. Just because you don't agree with mainstream society doesn't mean you are hateful or teaching hate. In fact in many ways it's nothing to do with hate at all just the teachings. If you watched last night you would here he is just about done with a 2 year program at college and looking into ministry. Just because it's a life YOU don't like doesn't mean it's hateful or sad that they are having a baby. That's like me saying because you care calling them hateful you, yourself, are as well. Why is it anyone against a cons. christian is allowed to be a turd in the name of equality but to even have a different view point makes us hateful? What a double standard to fit an agenda of "love". You must love and accept everyone but I can hate you and call you names because of what you believe.
Thank you!!!
Very well said. Everyone going on about them being in a cult and spewing hate is so off basis. They do not shove any of their beliefs down anyone's throat. If you choose to read and follow what they say that is your choice. However, they are not going around telling YOU that you are wrong in your beliefs and the way you raise your children.
Also, there are plenty of posters on these boards who had children the same age as these girls are. Are we to call their children sad too???
Really? Campaigning and robocalling people is not shoving it down anyone's throats?
I would call anyone who is like them, sad, yes. They know no better though as that is how they are raised. They need to mature and form their own opinions, travel, have friends outside of he Gothard circle before marrying and having kids.
So it's only ok to campaign and robo call if you're a liberal? Do you not think I find it annoying to get the equality calls? Is that going to change? No it's not and that's FINE, but don't tell me I have to change and then proceed to call me out(not you in particular). People have points of view, religion, feelings, beliefs whatever. That is the beauty of the USA. We get to have them and express them. They do not support certain things or lifestyles because of religion. How is that any different then another campaigning for change. Are both sides not allowed a voice? Clearly not. Even when I voted for same sex marriage I was called a hypocrite. How could I do that? So I agree it's ok? No I don't and i'm allowed to have that belief. My point is just because you don't agree with a religious or political stand point to call this sad or awful or whatever is so rude to do. They ARE a married adults. He IS in college, she is a homemaker. So freaking what. Who made people the baby patrol? We glorify teen pregnancy and this is sad? We have a man on tv who is having his 2nd "mistake" and told his daughter that she was one as well. We watch this crap and talk about what a d-bag Gary is, but THIS is sad? So basically unless you are in your middle 20's, in a stable relationship, college educated and liberal you shouldn't marry or have kids? What other "life" lessons should we add? What other "living" experiences should we add to properly qualify people? How many of us on here are stunning role models of parenting? How many of US were teenagers when pregnant? Not married? Had no "life experience"? Yet are we not congratulated on our kids? Embraced in this community? Don't like the DUggars fine, but to critique and make this seem like something it's not is not right either.
Oh and yes he is 19, but somehow we can pay Mary K and Vini to do an interview on national tv and that's ok THIS is the society we live in and it's disgusting.
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
Posted by AllyMally
Posted by afternoondelight828
Posted by BriBri2u
Posted by AllyMally
They are conservative Christians. Teaching hate and spreading hate is one thing but teaching Jesus and what the Bible says is another. They have their belief's and they are allowed to have and teach them. Just as everyone else is. Just because you don't agree with mainstream society doesn't mean you are hateful or teaching hate. In fact in many ways it's nothing to do with hate at all just the teachings. If you watched last night you would here he is just about done with a 2 year program at college and looking into ministry. Just because it's a life YOU don't like doesn't mean it's hateful or sad that they are having a baby. That's like me saying because you care calling them hateful you, yourself, are as well. Why is it anyone against a cons. christian is allowed to be a turd in the name of equality but to even have a different view point makes us hateful? What a double standard to fit an agenda of "love". You must love and accept everyone but I can hate you and call you names because of what you believe.
Thank you!!!
Very well said. Everyone going on about them being in a cult and spewing hate is so off basis. They do not shove any of their beliefs down anyone's throat. If you choose to read and follow what they say that is your choice. However, they are not going around telling YOU that you are wrong in your beliefs and the way you raise your children.
Also, there are plenty of posters on these boards who had children the same age as these girls are. Are we to call their children sad too???
Really? Campaigning and robocalling people is not shoving it down anyone's throats?
I would call anyone who is like them, sad, yes. They know no better though as that is how they are raised. They need to mature and form their own opinions, travel, have friends outside of he Gothard circle before marrying and having kids.
So it's only ok to campaign and robo call if you're a liberal? Do you not think I find it annoying to get the equality calls? Is that going to change? No it's not and that's FINE, but don't tell me I have to change and then proceed to call me out(not you in particular). People have points of view, religion, feelings, beliefs whatever. That is the beauty of the USA. We get to have them and express them. They do not support certain things or lifestyles because of religion. How is that any different then another campaigning for change. Are both sides not allowed a voice? Clearly not. Even when I voted for same sex marriage I was called a hypocrite. How could I do that? So I agree it's ok? No I don't and i'm allowed to have that belief. My point is just because you don't agree with a religious or political stand point to call this sad or awful or whatever is so rude to do. They ARE a married adults. He IS in college, she is a homemaker. So freaking what. Who made people the baby patrol? We glorify teen pregnancy and this is sad? We have a man on tv who is having his 2nd "mistake" and told his daughter that she was one as well. We watch this crap and talk about what a d-bag Gary is, but THIS is sad? So basically unless you are in your middle 20's, in a stable relationship, college educated and liberal you shouldn't marry or have kids? What other "life" lessons should we add? What other "living" experiences should we add to properly qualify people? How many of us on here are stunning role models of parenting? How many of US were teenagers when pregnant? Not married? Had no "life experience"? Yet are we not congratulated on our kids? Embraced in this community? Don't like the DUggars fine, but to critique and make this seem like something it's not is not right either.
Oh and yes he is 19, but somehow we can pay Mary K and Vini to do an interview on national tv and that's ok THIS is the society we live in and it's disgusting.
I agree. I don't get the Duggar hate bashing. They are conservative Christians and have certain beliefs that BTW a lot of Christians (Catholic, Lutheran, Pentecostal, etc) also have. How many of us on here practice one of those religions?
Congratulations to them. They are married and it seems like they sustain themselves so what's the big deal? I'd much rather see them bringing a kid into the world instead of some of the train wrecks that are on teen Mom or that you see IRL.
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
Posted by Katareen
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They're not hurting anyone.
Neither are gay people--but they spend their time trying to deny them rights. So to me that IS hurting them. Someone being gay would have NO affect on their life/family/safety/well being etc so who cares????
And didn't Jesus preach love for EVERYONE????
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
Opened this up thinking people would be congratulating them and come to find out people probably would hate me too  . I was engaged at 19, married at 20, my DS was born 5 days before our first anniversary. I'm 28 now and have 3 kids and trying for a 4th. I'm a stay at home mom, and we are pretty traditional. I don't know much about there behind the scenes stuff but I think these kids are great, they seem happy and are such good siblings, they also are very hardworking and don't mind getting their hands dirty.
Anyways just wanted to say while you think what they are doing is hurtful, saying its sad she got pregnant so fast is very hurtful for someone like myself. I wouldn't change anything in my life and feel quite blessed.
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
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Opened this up thinking people would be congratulating them and come to find out people probably would hate me too . I was engaged at 19, married at 20, my DS was born 5 days before our first anniversary. I'm 28 now and have 3 kids and trying for a 4th. I'm a stay at home mom, and we are pretty traditional. I don't know much about there behind the scenes stuff but I think these kids are great, they seem happy and are such good siblings, they also are very hardworking and don't mind getting their hands dirty.
Anyways just wanted to say while you think what they are doing is hurtful, saying its sad she got pregnant so fast is very hurtful for someone like myself. I wouldn't change anything in my life and feel quite blessed.
It IS a blessing. As someone who has suffered with IF for years I wish I could say I got pregnant so fast..
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
Posted by LuckyStar
I think the point is that they CAN'T support their kids. Ben is 19 years old and attends online community college classes. He wants to go into the ministry? Well guess what, he's not making squat doing that. And Jessa isn't allowed to work. None of the women are allowed to work, their ONLY purpose in life is to marry and have children.
Michelle has written parenting books! She's an awful parent- how do you not teach your daughters to be self sufficient or think for themselves? Or teach your sons to respect women and not assume that they exist only to serve men? They are essentially glamorizing mental abuse.
And don't even get me started on how they treat the gays or the fact that they're tax evaders.
I kinda love how LOST Michelle is without Jill and Jessa there...it's like she finally has to raise her own kids and doesn't know how to handle it.
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
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Posted by july4mrsO
I don't watch the show. I don't agree with a lot of their beliefs from what I've read about them. But I don't think there's anything wrong with getting married young and having kids so long as you've got your head on straight and you can support them. In my own very non-religious family, we've had family members who became parents at 19/20 and raised their kids just fine with no public assistance. So I don't see the issue there. However at the same time, they chose to turn their private lives into a tv show. And with that they are opening themselves up to criticism. I don't go out of my way to bash them because I've never seen the show but I can see why they rub people the wrong way. And if you choose to put your life and your beliefs in the public eye then I don't feel sorry for you when people criticize you. Yes they are entitled to their beliefs but others are also entitled to disagree with them.
Nope there is nothing wrong with getting married young and having kids. IF you are supporting yourself, without the help of daddy and are a litttle mature.
Umm plenty of us on these boards get help from our families and not in monetary form.
Both my mother and mother in law watch BOTH of our children so that we don't have to pay for childcare.
My mother is currently letting us live with her while we try and save up money for a down payment.
That is what parents do - they help their children. I would do the SAME thing for my children if they needed it.
So your comment above about only being a responsible parent if you don't require your daddy's help is insulting to say the least.
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
Posted by mommy2B3
Opened this up thinking people would be congratulating them and come to find out people probably would hate me too . I was engaged at 19, married at 20, my DS was born 5 days before our first anniversary. I'm 28 now and have 3 kids and trying for a 4th. I'm a stay at home mom, and we are pretty traditional. I don't know much about there behind the scenes stuff but I think these kids are great, they seem happy and are such good siblings, they also are very hardworking and don't mind getting their hands dirty.
Anyways just wanted to say while you think what they are doing is hurtful, saying its sad she got pregnant so fast is very hurtful for someone like myself. I wouldn't change anything in my life and feel quite blessed.
I totally understand what you are saying.
However, you had other choices, meaning go to college, work, etc. These women do not have that. If they did decide to go to university, J'chelle would do everything to stop that. If they couldn't, that person would probably not be a part of the family anymore. I find that sad.
I also feel that religion does not give you carte blanche to do what ever you want with regards to humanity. The gay community deserves rights like any other human being. The Duggars have some background in politics and try to stop these rights. This to me is hate.
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
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Posted by mommy2B3
Opened this up thinking people would be congratulating them and come to find out people probably would hate me too . I was engaged at 19, married at 20, my DS was born 5 days before our first anniversary. I'm 28 now and have 3 kids and trying for a 4th. I'm a stay at home mom, and we are pretty traditional. I don't know much about there behind the scenes stuff but I think these kids are great, they seem happy and are such good siblings, they also are very hardworking and don't mind getting their hands dirty.
Anyways just wanted to say while you think what they are doing is hurtful, saying its sad she got pregnant so fast is very hurtful for someone like myself. I wouldn't change anything in my life and feel quite blessed.
I totally understand what you are saying.
However, you had other choices, meaning go to college, work, etc. These women do not have that. If they did decide to go to university, J'chelle would do everything to stop that. If they couldn't, that person would probably not be a part of the family anymore. I find that sad.
I also feel that religion does not give you carte blanche to do what ever you want with regards to humanity. The gay community deserves rights like any other human being. The Duggars have some background in politics and try to stop these rights. This to me is hate.
THIS. Couldn't have said it better myself. You can believe whatever you want, but actively trying to deny others civil rights is disgusting. You don't like the idea of gay marriage? Then don't get "gay married" Think abortion should be illegal? OK. Cool. Then don't have one, but don't use your beliefs/religion to influence public policy. Separation of church and state, and all that jazz.
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by mommy2B3
Opened this up thinking people would be congratulating them and come to find out people probably would hate me too . I was engaged at 19, married at 20, my DS was born 5 days before our first anniversary. I'm 28 now and have 3 kids and trying for a 4th. I'm a stay at home mom, and we are pretty traditional. I don't know much about there behind the scenes stuff but I think these kids are great, they seem happy and are such good siblings, they also are very hardworking and don't mind getting their hands dirty.
Anyways just wanted to say while you think what they are doing is hurtful, saying its sad she got pregnant so fast is very hurtful for someone like myself. I wouldn't change anything in my life and feel quite blessed.
I totally understand what you are saying.
However, you had other choices, meaning go to college, work, etc. These women do not have that. If they did decide to go to university, J'chelle would do everything to stop that. If they couldn't, that person would probably not be a part of the family anymore. I find that sad.
I also feel that religion does not give you carte blanche to do what ever you want with regards to humanity. The gay community deserves rights like any other human being. The Duggars have some background in politics and try to stop these rights. This to me is hate.
THIS. Couldn't have said it better myself. You can believe whatever you want, but actively trying to deny others civil rights is disgusting. You don't like the idea of gay marriage? Then don't get "gay married" Think abortion should be illegal? OK. Cool. Then don't have one, but don't use your beliefs/religion to influence public policy. Separation of church and state, and all that jazz.
Yes! 
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
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However, they are not going around telling YOU that you are wrong in your beliefs and the way you raise your children.
They absolutely are going around telling people that they are wrong in their beliefs.
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by mommy2B3
Opened this up thinking people would be congratulating them and come to find out people probably would hate me too . I was engaged at 19, married at 20, my DS was born 5 days before our first anniversary. I'm 28 now and have 3 kids and trying for a 4th. I'm a stay at home mom, and we are pretty traditional. I don't know much about there behind the scenes stuff but I think these kids are great, they seem happy and are such good siblings, they also are very hardworking and don't mind getting their hands dirty.
Anyways just wanted to say while you think what they are doing is hurtful, saying its sad she got pregnant so fast is very hurtful for someone like myself. I wouldn't change anything in my life and feel quite blessed.
I totally understand what you are saying.
However, you had other choices, meaning go to college, work, etc. These women do not have that. If they did decide to go to university, J'chelle would do everything to stop that. If they couldn't, that person would probably not be a part of the family anymore. I find that sad.
I also feel that religion does not give you carte blanche to do what ever you want with regards to humanity. The gay community deserves rights like any other human being. The Duggars have some background in politics and try to stop these rights. This to me is hate.
THIS. Couldn't have said it better myself. You can believe whatever you want, but actively trying to deny others civil rights is disgusting. You don't like the idea of gay marriage? Then don't get "gay married" Think abortion should be illegal? OK. Cool. Then don't have one, but don't use your beliefs/religion to influence public policy. Separation of church and state, and all that jazz.
You both said it better than I did!!!
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by mommy2B3
Opened this up thinking people would be congratulating them and come to find out people probably would hate me too . I was engaged at 19, married at 20, my DS was born 5 days before our first anniversary. I'm 28 now and have 3 kids and trying for a 4th. I'm a stay at home mom, and we are pretty traditional. I don't know much about there behind the scenes stuff but I think these kids are great, they seem happy and are such good siblings, they also are very hardworking and don't mind getting their hands dirty.
Anyways just wanted to say while you think what they are doing is hurtful, saying its sad she got pregnant so fast is very hurtful for someone like myself. I wouldn't change anything in my life and feel quite blessed.
I totally understand what you are saying.
However, you had other choices, meaning go to college, work, etc. These women do not have that. If they did decide to go to university, J'chelle would do everything to stop that. If they couldn't, that person would probably not be a part of the family anymore. I find that sad.
I also feel that religion does not give you carte blanche to do what ever you want with regards to humanity. The gay community deserves rights like any other human being. The Duggars have some background in politics and try to stop these rights. This to me is hate.
THIS. Couldn't have said it better myself. You can believe whatever you want, but actively trying to deny others civil rights is disgusting. You don't like the idea of gay marriage? Then don't get "gay married" Think abortion should be illegal? OK. Cool. Then don't have one, but don't use your beliefs/religion to influence public policy. Separation of church and state, and all that jazz.
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by mommy2B3
Opened this up thinking people would be congratulating them and come to find out people probably would hate me too . I was engaged at 19, married at 20, my DS was born 5 days before our first anniversary. I'm 28 now and have 3 kids and trying for a 4th. I'm a stay at home mom, and we are pretty traditional. I don't know much about there behind the scenes stuff but I think these kids are great, they seem happy and are such good siblings, they also are very hardworking and don't mind getting their hands dirty.
Anyways just wanted to say while you think what they are doing is hurtful, saying its sad she got pregnant so fast is very hurtful for someone like myself. I wouldn't change anything in my life and feel quite blessed.
I totally understand what you are saying.
However, you had other choices, meaning go to college, work, etc. These women do not have that. If they did decide to go to university, J'chelle would do everything to stop that. If they couldn't, that person would probably not be a part of the family anymore. I find that sad.
I also feel that religion does not give you carte blanche to do what ever you want with regards to humanity. The gay community deserves rights like any other human being. The Duggars have some background in politics and try to stop these rights. This to me is hate.
THIS. Couldn't have said it better myself. You can believe whatever you want, but actively trying to deny others civil rights is disgusting. You don't like the idea of gay marriage? Then don't get "gay married" Think abortion should be illegal? OK. Cool. Then don't have one, but don't use your beliefs/religion to influence public policy. Separation of church and state, and all that jazz.
Ok so let me ask you this, and I am honestly wondering.....if we want church and state and ll that jazz then what about the Priest that marries a couple? A Minister, a Reverend? Is that not church and state in a partnership at it's finest? Is the church not performing a legal action? Is that authority of the church not signing a legal document provided to the state? I understand separation of church and state but the very essence of marriage is religious in a lot of ways. Now I understand not everyone has a religious ceremony but many are married by an official of the church. What about a Rabbi? An Islamic leader? What then? Indiana just passed the addendum to the freedom of religion law and now I wonder how long until a homosexual couple goes to a catholic church and requests to be married. Unless that church has NEVER married anyone that wasn't a member they would be breaking the law by saying no because it's based on sexual orientation. How is THAT right? You say if you don't like Gay marriage don't get gay married but what about the person ACTUALLY preforming the ceremony. Do they not have a right to say no? In all the fairness we are also losing our ability to practice our faith as well. A Priest could break the law for saying no. How is that right? What if someone forced YOU to do something you are very much against? What point is fairness imposing on others?
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Another Duggar on the Way
What I never understood and maybe this is why I'm not a religious person but... Isn't it taught that Jesus loves everyone and wants everyone to love one another like him? Or, is his love conditional and open to interpretation based on convenience? I'm not being an asshole, this is what I've always questioned... not that anyone will ever have the answer, I just can't logically wrap my head around this "loophole" for lack of a better word.
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IMHO Hate is fear based... What are people afraid of? Who people want to spend the rest of their lives with have NO bearing on their day to day. Assholes like the Kardashians , the Madonnas, etc have more power to corrupt society than a same sex couple or 50 years ago a interracial couple. How silly is it now that two people of different races couldn't legally be married? It's bullshitt!
I mean can you honestly tell me you wouldn't be beyond hurt and pissed off if you were told you couldn't marry your SO that you loved with all of your heart and wanted to die with because let say for example he/she has hair on their big toe...? it's the same thing IMO
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by AllyMally
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Posted by AllyMally
They are conservative Christians. Teaching hate and spreading hate is one thing but teaching Jesus and what the Bible says is another. They have their belief's and they are allowed to have and teach them. Just as everyone else is. Just because you don't agree with mainstream society doesn't mean you are hateful or teaching hate. In fact in many ways it's nothing to do with hate at all just the teachings. If you watched last night you would here he is just about done with a 2 year program at college and looking into ministry. Just because it's a life YOU don't like doesn't mean it's hateful or sad that they are having a baby. That's like me saying because you care calling them hateful you, yourself, are as well. Why is it anyone against a cons. christian is allowed to be a turd in the name of equality but to even have a different view point makes us hateful? What a double standard to fit an agenda of "love". You must love and accept everyone but I can hate you and call you names because of what you believe.
Thank you!!!
Very well said. Everyone going on about them being in a cult and spewing hate is so off basis. They do not shove any of their beliefs down anyone's throat. If you choose to read and follow what they say that is your choice. However, they are not going around telling YOU that you are wrong in your beliefs and the way you raise your children.
Also, there are plenty of posters on these boards who had children the same age as these girls are. Are we to call their children sad too???
Really? Campaigning and robocalling people is not shoving it down anyone's throats?
I would call anyone who is like them, sad, yes. They know no better though as that is how they are raised. They need to mature and form their own opinions, travel, have friends outside of he Gothard circle before marrying and having kids.
So it's only ok to campaign and robo call if you're a liberal? Do you not think I find it annoying to get the equality calls? Is that going to change? No it's not and that's FINE, but don't tell me I have to change and then proceed to call me out(not you in particular). People have points of view, religion, feelings, beliefs whatever. That is the beauty of the USA. We get to have them and express them. They do not support certain things or lifestyles because of religion. How is that any different then another campaigning for change. Are both sides not allowed a voice? Clearly not. Even when I voted for same sex marriage I was called a hypocrite. How could I do that? So I agree it's ok? No I don't and i'm allowed to have that belief. My point is just because you don't agree with a religious or political stand point to call this sad or awful or whatever is so rude to do. They ARE a married adults. He IS in college, she is a homemaker. So freaking what. Who made people the baby patrol? We glorify teen pregnancy and this is sad? We have a man on tv who is having his 2nd "mistake" and told his daughter that she was one as well. We watch this crap and talk about what a d-bag Gary is, but THIS is sad? So basically unless you are in your middle 20's, in a stable relationship, college educated and liberal you shouldn't marry or have kids? What other "life" lessons should we add? What other "living" experiences should we add to properly qualify people? How many of us on here are stunning role models of parenting? How many of US were teenagers when pregnant? Not married? Had no "life experience"? Yet are we not congratulated on our kids? Embraced in this community? Don't like the DUggars fine, but to critique and make this seem like something it's not is not right either.
Oh and yes he is 19, but somehow we can pay Mary K and Vini to do an interview on national tv and that's ok THIS is the society we live in and it's disgusting.
I agree. I don't get the Duggar hate bashing. They are conservative Christians and have certain beliefs that BTW a lot of Christians (Catholic, Lutheran, Pentecostal, etc) also have. How many of us on here practice one of those religions?
Congratulations to them. They are married and it seems like they sustain themselves so what's the big deal? I'd much rather see them bringing a kid into the world instead of some of the train wrecks that are on teen Mom or that you see IRL.
How do you think they sustain themselves? Daddy pays all their bills. Daddy controls their lives even after they are married and are adults and will never stop. He is a nasty pervert who talk about his married kids sex lives. Michele does nothing. She doesnt take care of the younger kids nor homeschool anymore.
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Re: Another Duggar on the Way
Posted by mommy2B3
Opened this up thinking people would be congratulating them and come to find out people probably would hate me too . I was engaged at 19, married at 20, my DS was born 5 days before our first anniversary. I'm 28 now and have 3 kids and trying for a 4th. I'm a stay at home mom, and we are pretty traditional. I don't know much about there behind the scenes stuff but I think these kids are great, they seem happy and are such good siblings, they also are very hardworking and don't mind getting their hands dirty.
Anyways just wanted to say while you think what they are doing is hurtful, saying its sad she got pregnant so fast is very hurtful for someone like myself. I wouldn't change anything in my life and feel quite blessed.
I am sure you had a much different life than they have had. They had and have no choice in what they do for their family. They are controlled to the point that you cant even talk to your future husband of a few hours alone on your wedding day. You are raised to go from a side hug to sex in the same day. They have no real life experiences and they are very uneducated people. How can you not be when your 15 yr. old sister is homeschooling you.
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