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Re: Random ?: Home birth
Posted by nycgirl
You have to accept 19th century outcomes if you are going to use the techniques.
Lots of women and their babies used to die during childbirth. Not to mention bad babies that were left to die prior to neonatal ICU care.
There are lawsuits in the home birth situation. Problem is, you won't get much if you sue a midwife... And the ob at the hospital isn't responsible if you are not there. Of course, one won't read this on a home birth website.
Many women died of childbirth years ago because of infection, not complications during childbirth. There was a deep held belief into the early 1900s that washing your hands before attending a birthing mother wwas not necessary, so many women became septic after birth. You can google Ignaz Semmesweiss for that.
Secondly, there are lawsuits with OBs too, so I don't see your point? Midwives carry malpractice insurance. These aren't some women who haven't had a lick of schooling and just watch a few births and practice. These are women who have a bachelors degree in nursing, years of clinical rn experience, and a master's degree in midwifery.
Study after study have shown planned homebirths to be as safe as hospital birth. Many countries in Europe have almost exclusively homebirths, yet their complications and deaths are lower than ours, with an astronomical c-section rate. So many women are conditioned in the US to belive that pregnancy and birth are dangerous, fraught with risks and imminenet death.
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
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Posted by MarisaK
This is not something I understand at ALL -
I can understand why someone would want to go drug free ......but I can not understand the appeal or reason to do something like give birth to another human being and NOT have the best medical opprotunities available to you RIGHT THERE .........I would be TERRIFIED and a total and complete nervous wreck if I had to go through childbirth anywhere but a hospital.
But that's me - I much prefer the white coats and the fancy MD degrees to the midwives and the whole 'natural, trust my body' thing - I'm admitedly not very 'in tune' with my body.
That's why I like hospital-based midwives. You get all the security of having a baby in a hospital, but a better shot of being able to go naturally.
Great in theory but, currently there are only 3 hospitals that allow midwives in Long Island. Not because they are not qualifed that is for sure. The closest birthing center is very far into brooklyn.
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
Posted by MarisaK
This is not something I understand at ALL -
I can understand why someone would want to go drug free ......but I can not understand the appeal or reason to do something like give birth to another human being and NOT have the best medical opprotunities available to you RIGHT THERE .........I would be TERRIFIED and a total and complete nervous wreck if I had to go through childbirth anywhere but a hospital.
But that's me - I much prefer the white coats and the fancy MD degrees to the midwives and the whole 'natural, trust my body' thing - I'm admitedly not very 'in tune' with my body.
I 100% agree.
The thought of a home birth never crossed my mind.
I never understood when watching baby story shows about homebirths, when they would say that if something should go wrong, they can have an ambulance there ASAP to transport them.
Why would I want to chance giving birth at home to wait for an ambulance to transport me ...aren't you losing precious minutes if something goes wrong?? If you're already in the hospital, the baby is right there, no transporting necessary.
I would love to read more into the statistics...but i could never be convinced to give birth outside a hospital.
To each their own, i agree with that..but i can't fathom it.
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by nycgirl
You have to accept 19th century outcomes if you are going to use the techniques.
Lots of women and their babies used to die during childbirth. Not to mention bad babies that were left to die prior to neonatal ICU care.
There are lawsuits in the home birth situation. Problem is, you won't get much if you sue a midwife... And the ob at the hospital isn't responsible if you are not there. Of course, one won't read this on a home birth website.
Many women died of childbirth years ago because of infection, not complications during childbirth. There was a deep held belief into the early 1900s that washing your hands before attending a birthing mother wwas not necessary, so many women became septic after birth. You can google Ignaz Semmesweiss for that.
Secondly, there are lawsuits with OBs too, so I don't see your point? Midwives carry malpractice insurance. These aren't some women who haven't had a lick of schooling and just watch a few births and practice. These are women who have a bachelors degree in nursing, years of clinical rn experience, and a master's degree in midwifery.
Study after study have shown planned homebirths to be as safe as hospital birth. Many countries in Europe have almost exclusively homebirths, yet their complications and deaths are lower than ours, with an astronomical c-section rate. So many women are conditioned in the US to belive that pregnancy and birth are dangerous, fraught with risks and imminenet death.
Well said!! 
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
crunchy topic = drama  did we expect less?
ok folks, everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the subject.
ETA - for me, there are too many "what ifs" too many unknowns. i would not feel safe delivering at home. i want to be steps away for any intervention that I may need to delivery my child safely.
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
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I may totally get flamed for this.. but it is my honest opinion..
As moms-to-be our number one priority should be the health and well being of our babies. That being said, I think if you chose a home birth over a hospital birth you are putting your own needs ahead of your childs.
God forbid there is an unforeseen complication and something happened to my baby (and it DOES happen).. I could NEVER forgive myself. Just because I didn't want to give birth in a hospital? It's definitely not a risk I would ever be willing to take.
But to each his own I guess.
Sounds like you need to do some reading on the topic before jumping to such conclusions.
Don't be so defensive. It's my opinion. You made your choice and it worked out for you. Great. It wouldn't work for me. No need to be presumptuous and assume I haven't looked into the topic.
Exactly, you are 100% judging based on you OPINION. Show us the facts before you judge. That's like me coming here and saying that if you have a baby in a hospital (for all the reasons I did NOT choose a hospital birth) that you are putting yourself first, or women who get epidurals are putting themselves 1st. I would NEVER say that.
purely from a knowledge standpoint (for myself) - what happens if the baby decels during the delivery or if there is distocia? what happens if there is a cord issue (knots, wrapped around limbs, neck - preventing decention in the birth canal stalling delivery?) or if the baby flips breech or transverse? What happens if there is placental abruption?
That all scares the crap out of me. A MW at home is not capable of making the decision on the spot to wheel you down the hall, perform a csection and get the kid out ASAP saving 2 lives. None of those things can be foreseen before a delivery and there are a million other instances like it.
for myself, they found a rare blood antibody isoimmunization when i delivered my son in the hospital. it could have been life threatening for my son if not found. if I had delivered at home - we would not have known about it and even if he was OK, we would have gone on to have our second pregnancy not knowing about the isoimmunization which would have 100% ended in fetal death before 20 weeks for #2.
waaaaay too many unknowns, uncertainties for ME to feel comfortable.
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
Before I was pregnant I wanted a home birth. DH thought I was nuts, he felt very nervous with no "dr" on hand, and after discussion we decided on a hospital birth. I knew I wanted a natural birth so I researched dr.'s and found soemone who I felt would support my wishes. In the end, my plan was to stay at home as long as possible. I labored at home, went for a walk, showered, ate (a lot, lol) did whatever was comfortable. Once arriving at the hospital, I was allowed the same privileges. I labored standing, walking, in bathrrom, etc. I had my DD within 3 hours of being admitted. For me, I would do it this way again. It was the best compromise for us in my opinion. I got to stay home for the majority of my labor but ultimately delivered in the hospital, but in a way I was comfortable with.
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
Both of my DS came out with the cords around their neck. Thank God all was fine, but I just couldn't chance a home birth. I did deliver my second son with a midwife though. Not even because I felt strongly about it, but she was the on-call from my practice. And she was amazing. I wanted to kill her at the time because she had my standing and rocking while I was in active, very painful labor. But looking back, she helped me have a smooth, easier time pushing then I had with a Dr. delivering DS1.
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
Posted by TheDivineMrsM
Posted by MarisaK
This is not something I understand at ALL -
I can understand why someone would want to go drug free ......but I can not understand the appeal or reason to do something like give birth to another human being and NOT have the best medical opprotunities available to you RIGHT THERE .........I would be TERRIFIED and a total and complete nervous wreck if I had to go through childbirth anywhere but a hospital.
But that's me - I much prefer the white coats and the fancy MD degrees to the midwives and the whole 'natural, trust my body' thing - I'm admitedly not very 'in tune' with my body.
That's why I like hospital-based midwives. You get all the security of having a baby in a hospital, but a better shot of being able to go naturally.
Interesting - I think we all know I'm not the 'go naturally' type 
But now I am even more confused, and I of course have done ZERO research on this topic b/c it would not appeal to me as an option at all .......but What is the appeal of doing all of this at home, with the risk of needing an ambulance, when you CAN be in the hospital with everything and anything you MIGHT need, but ALSO have the midwife doing everything the way you would hopefully want .....?
I'm not being snarky - I'm really curious. Is is a white coat syndrome that some people just hate Dr. and Hospitals make them nervous? (I get that......) or is it something else?
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Random ?: Home birth
i think the real issue isn't the opinion of home vs hospital - its that society in the US has conditioned us to believe birth is a medical procedure with tons of risks and almost always "necessary" intervention.
in reality - babies are born with cords around their necks. they move positions. an experienced midwife who can empower a woman to labor and deliver without fear can deal with these issues in a non-hospital setting. the problem is that most women fear birth immensely instead of seeing it as an empowering experience. if we fear it, of course we'll all want to deliver in hospital with the all-mighty doctor and OR nearby. frankly we just don't live in a country where woman are empowered to trust their bodies.
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
There are risks to a hospital too- you are walking into a cesspool of multidrug resistant germs. And working with staff that are busy, attending to multiple patients, and have poor hanf hygienge (trust me- I work in a hospital and see how frequently nurses and doctors DONT wash their hands).
You are forced into an unnatural position for labor- laying on your back. I delivered in a hospital with a midwife, and being on my back was the most uncomfrotable thing ever. I had to argue with the nurse so they would montior me standing. Being upright helps with the baby moving down and prevents a stalled labor. There are risks to you and the baby from pitocin, an epidural etc. They may have there uses and benefits, but they are not without risk and people tend to forget that,
You are on a clock when you walk in the door. You risk interventions that you don't want forced on you because of that clock.
Also, home birht midwives can give a shot of pitocin if neccesary for post partum hemmoraghe, they are things they can do to change the baby position and resolve a shoulder dystocia, etc. IF you havea cord prolapse, they can but you in a certain position to prevent compression until you get to the hospital. Its not delivering the baby without any medical aid in your toilet or something
Dont get me wrong- there are risks of homebirth sure- and it wasnt for me.
But birth is not a medical intervention. Your not curing an illness. There are risks with a hospital too.
And just to add- having the cord around the neck is not a need for intervention. As long as it isnt knotted, blood continues to flow and oxgtenate the baby. My baby was born with the cord around the neck twice and no one did anything.
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
Posted by FlowerWife
i think the real issue isn't the opinion of home vs hospital - its that society in the US has conditioned us to believe birth is a medical procedure with tons of risks and almost always "necessary" intervention.
in reality - babies are born with cords around their necks. they move positions. an experienced midwife who can empower a woman to labor and deliver without fear can deal with these issues in a non-hospital setting. the problem is that most women fear birth immensely instead of seeing it as an empowering experience. if we fear it, of course we'll all want to deliver in hospital with the all-mighty doctor and OR nearby. frankly we just don't live in a country where woman are empowered to trust their bodies.
FOr many of us childbirth is a medical condition with severe repercussions. It is great that there are women who can trust their bodies and their bodies do what hey are supposed to. But some of us had great pregnancies and no indication that anything would go wrong until they went horribly wrong. It may be a small percentage of births but that percentage is irrelevant if you are in that percentage without warning. For me, I developed a potentially deadly condition days after I delivered. If I had not been monitored at a hospital we would have never known as I did not display any of the most outward symptoms.
The truth is no matter how empowered I am, sometimes your body fails you.
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
Can I ask a question- a bit off topic sorry- about laboring on your back in the hospital?
Everyone talks about this and how it's not comfortable, slows progression etc.
But when I was in the hospital, with a traditional OB and an epidural, the nurse did not make me lay flat on my back.
In fact, as soon as the epi was in, she put the bed in an upright position and said that was how I should be as it would help the baby progres down properly.
So I was sitting pretty much upright the whole time.
Is that uncommon?
Do they normally make you lay flat on your back the whole time?
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Random ?: Home birth
I had an easy, text book birth and COULD have safety birthed at home but NEVER in a million years would.
This is just my opinion but why would I put my child and my own health in danger if I have the medical insurance to give birth in a hospital? Sure I had an easy labor the first time but the horror stories of my friends and family are enough to convince me that this would never be an option.
Also I would never willingly give birth without an epidural lol
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
Posted by TheDivineMrsm
That's why I like hospital-based midwives. You get all the security of having a baby in a hospital, but a better shot of being able to go naturally.
Great in theory but, currently there are only 3 hospitals that allow midwives in Long Island. Not because they are not qualifed that is for sure. The closest birthing center is very far into brooklyn.
There's a rumor that Huntington Hospital is building a birthing center.
I had a midwife with DD and see a different mw group with this baby. I don't get why midwives aren't in more hospitals on LI. From a financial perspective, I'd think the decision makers in healthcare would be all over it. MWs work cheaper than docs and generally use fewer interventions, and have much lower c-section rates (which ultimately cost the insurance companies less).
To the people that are anti homebirth, I totally understand the fear of having a baby outside a medical setting. I had an emergency c under general because my daughter's heartrate plummeted and didn't rebound. But I always wondered if it was my epidural that caused this reaction. Post-partum research showed me that it's a pretty common side effect. Not all babies "like" these drugs. If you read the package inserts to common meds used during birth (like Pitocin), they're not always used properly. So sometimes hospitals cause the emergencies...
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
Posted by Jugglemom
Posted by FlowerWife
i think the real issue isn't the opinion of home vs hospital - its that society in the US has conditioned us to believe birth is a medical procedure with tons of risks and almost always "necessary" intervention.
in reality - babies are born with cords around their necks. they move positions. an experienced midwife who can empower a woman to labor and deliver without fear can deal with these issues in a non-hospital setting. the problem is that most women fear birth immensely instead of seeing it as an empowering experience. if we fear it, of course we'll all want to deliver in hospital with the all-mighty doctor and OR nearby. frankly we just don't live in a country where woman are empowered to trust their bodies.
FOr many of us childbirth is a medical condition with severe repercussions. It is great that there are women who can trust their bodies and their bodies do what hey are supposed to. But some of us had great pregnancies and no indication that anything would go wrong until they went horribly wrong. It may be a small percentage of births but that percentage is irrelevant if you are in that percentage without warning. For me, I developed a potentially deadly condition days after I delivered. If I had not been monitored at a hospital we would have never known as I did not display any of the most outward symptoms.
The truth is no matter how empowered I am, sometimes your body fails you.
It can become a medical condition in the blink of an eye. As I stated earlier, for me, it was not the birth at all, that went as smooth as can be, for all of my births, I labored at home and arrived at the hospital between 8-10 cms. I even researched having a home birth but my husband was dead set against it. Thank god he was. My last birth experience was phenomenal, easy, until immediately after I gave birth. The issue was not with the birth at all, but my body's reaction to it IMMEDIATELY afterwards. I would be DEAD if I were not in a hospital. I would not have had a chance to be transported to a hospital. Women do die in childbirth for many reasons and I am just glad I was there. It has nothing to do with my fear of birth, or treating it as a medical condition. For me, or my husband actually, it was about taking precautions for unforeseen circumstances.
More power to the women to do it, but there is a flip side to just trusting your body and not needing a Dr. or hospital. Like the PP said, your body can fail you without warning, and when if it does, a MW cannot help. It is just something to consider is all I am saying. Birth is risky no matter what.
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
Posted by mlny
I may totally get flamed for this.. but it is my honest opinion..
As moms-to-be our number one priority should be the health and well being of our babies. That being said, I think if you chose a home birth over a hospital birth you are putting your own needs ahead of your childs.
The same could be said for women that opt for an induction or c-section that isn't medically necessary. There are potential risks to mom and baby with these procedures, and to risk oneself or their child for the sake of convenience is not the best parenting choice IMO.
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
Posted by TheDivineMrsM
Posted by mlny
I may totally get flamed for this.. but it is my honest opinion..
As moms-to-be our number one priority should be the health and well being of our babies. That being said, I think if you chose a home birth over a hospital birth you are putting your own needs ahead of your childs.
The same could be said for women that opt for an induction or c-section that isn't medically necessary. There are potential risks to mom and baby with these procedures, and to risk oneself or their child for the sake of convenience is not the best parenting choice IMO.
i do not know of any practice that will induce or do a csection that is not in some fashion medically necessary. You can't pop into your OB and say "hey, lets deliver at 39w by section because I am afraid to push".
There has to be some medical reason to induce or perform a csection or insurance will not cover it. It must be deemed medically necessary.
ETA - i should say "in the US" ... now Brazil is another story 
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
Posted by maymama
Posted by TheDivineMrsM
Posted by mlny
I may totally get flamed for this.. but it is my honest opinion..
As moms-to-be our number one priority should be the health and well being of our babies. That being said, I think if you chose a home birth over a hospital birth you are putting your own needs ahead of your childs.
The same could be said for women that opt for an induction or c-section that isn't medically necessary. There are potential risks to mom and baby with these procedures, and to risk oneself or their child for the sake of convenience is not the best parenting choice IMO.
i do not know of any practice that will induce or do a csection that is not in some fashion medically necessary. You can't pop into your OB and say "hey, lets deliver at 39w by section because I am afraid to push".
There has to be some medical reason to induce or perform a csection or insurance will not cover it. It must be deemed medically necessary.
It has to be written down as medically necessary... but these side deals do happen. I know one person that asked her OB for a C because... wait for it... she's SHORT and was afraid to push. (FTR, she's either 5' or 5'1 and had a 6lb baby that was in a head-down position). I know another that was due around the holidays and didn't want to miss Christmas dinner with her family, and asked to be induced earlier. Doc agreed to the induction.
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
It definitely wasn't for me
there is no way i would want to even think about messing up my own bedroom/bathroom/living room etc with all the disgusting mess that came out of me. Only if my room was completely covered in plastic like Dexters 'kill rooms' 
give me drugs, give me a comfy hospital bed and a staff of people there to attend to my every need any day!
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
Posted by OffWithHerHead23
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by nycgirl
You have to accept 19th century outcomes if you are going to use the techniques.
Lots of women and their babies used to die during childbirth. Not to mention bad babies that were left to die prior to neonatal ICU care.
There are lawsuits in the home birth situation. Problem is, you won't get much if you sue a midwife... And the ob at the hospital isn't responsible if you are not there. Of course, one won't read this on a home birth website.
Many women died of childbirth years ago because of infection, not complications during childbirth. There was a deep held belief into the early 1900s that washing your hands before attending a birthing mother wwas not necessary, so many women became septic after birth. You can google Ignaz Semmesweiss for that.
Secondly, there are lawsuits with OBs too, so I don't see your point? Midwives carry malpractice insurance. These aren't some women who haven't had a lick of schooling and just watch a few births and practice. These are women who have a bachelors degree in nursing, years of clinical rn experience, and a master's degree in midwifery.
Study after study have shown planned homebirths to be as safe as hospital birth. Many countries in Europe have almost exclusively homebirths, yet their complications and deaths are lower than ours, with an astronomical c-section rate. So many women are conditioned in the US to belive that pregnancy and birth are dangerous, fraught with risks and imminenet death.
Well said!!
Some midwifes are nurses. Some are not. Either way, when you sue, you can't sue someone for something that is beyond their scope of practice. Therefore, if there is anything that goes wrong... You are in a window by yourself where your baby's brain cells are dying and no one is responsible while you are getting to help.
Oh, and the recent studies show that the infant mortality rate is 2 to 3 times higher with a home birth. Also correlated by reanalyzing the old data quoted. Come on, is that really surprising?
Yes. Infection was the cause of 50% of maternal death after death... But only 50%. Blood loss was the cause of over 20%... But that's not the complication I'd be most concerned of.
Stillbirths have fallen dramatically. Antibiotics have nothing to do with this.
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
Posted by MarisaK
This is not something I understand at ALL -
I can understand why someone would want to go drug free ......but I can not understand the appeal or reason to do something like give birth to another human being and NOT have the best medical opprotunities available to you RIGHT THERE .........I would be TERRIFIED and a total and complete nervous wreck if I had to go through childbirth anywhere but a hospital.
But that's me - I much prefer the white coats and the fancy MD degrees to the midwives and the whole 'natural, trust my body' thing - I'm admitedly not very 'in tune' with my body.
Ita. I went through a phase of contemplating a midwife because I wanted to deliver vaginally (wih epi) and I know they allow you to let your body do it's thing which is best for the baby. But having twins and a myriad of other pregnancy complications I knew I needed an ob and would most likely need a CS. I wanted to deliver vagianally since these babies will most likely be my only ones and I wanted to experience it. It was mainly for myself. I'm ok with the CS now only because i know there are so many things that can arise during labor with twins that it's just the safest thing for them and for me too. I could never imagine having a home birth without having a dr right there to jump in if things got scary. I'm sure home births are wonderful experiences if all goes well but it's just not for me.
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
Posted by NervousNell
Can I ask a question- a bit off topic sorry- about laboring on your back in the hospital?
Everyone talks about this and how it's not comfortable, slows progression etc.
But when I was in the hospital, with a traditional OB and an epidural, the nurse did not make me lay flat on my back.
In fact, as soon as the epi was in, she put the bed in an upright position and said that was how I should be as it would help the baby progres down properly.
So I was sitting pretty much upright the whole time.
Is that uncommon?
Do they normally make you lay flat on your back the whole time?
I haven't read about effective ways to progress birth but it makes sense that sitting upright or standing would progress baby down. I'm on bedrest for a shortened cervix and they don't want me on my feet or even sitting upright in a chair for long because then the baby is putting pressure on my cervix and shortening it further. So laying flat is causing the least amount of pressure.
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
Posted by nycgirl
Posted by OffWithHerHead23
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by nycgirl
You have to accept 19th century outcomes if you are going to use the techniques.
Lots of women and their babies used to die during childbirth. Not to mention bad babies that were left to die prior to neonatal ICU care.
There are lawsuits in the home birth situation. Problem is, you won't get much if you sue a midwife... And the ob at the hospital isn't responsible if you are not there. Of course, one won't read this on a home birth website.
Many women died of childbirth years ago because of infection, not complications during childbirth. There was a deep held belief into the early 1900s that washing your hands before attending a birthing mother wwas not necessary, so many women became septic after birth. You can google Ignaz Semmesweiss for that.
Secondly, there are lawsuits with OBs too, so I don't see your point? Midwives carry malpractice insurance. These aren't some women who haven't had a lick of schooling and just watch a few births and practice. These are women who have a bachelors degree in nursing, years of clinical rn experience, and a master's degree in midwifery.
Study after study have shown planned homebirths to be as safe as hospital birth. Many countries in Europe have almost exclusively homebirths, yet their complications and deaths are lower than ours, with an astronomical c-section rate. So many women are conditioned in the US to belive that pregnancy and birth are dangerous, fraught with risks and imminenet death.
Well said!!
Some midwifes are nurses. Some are not. Either way, when you sue, you can't sue someone for something that is beyond their scope of practice. Therefore, if there is anything that goes wrong... You are in a window by yourself where your baby's brain cells are dying and no one is responsible while you are getting to help.
Oh, and the recent studies show that the infant mortality rate is 2 to 3 times higher with a home birth. Also correlated by reanalyzing the old data quoted. Come on, is that really surprising?
Yes. Infection was the cause of 50% of maternal death after death... But only 50%. Blood loss was the cause of over 20%... But that's not the complication I'd be most concerned of. Can you provide links to that study? I would be interested in reading it. Thanks.
Stillbirths have fallen dramatically. Antibiotics have nothing to do with this.
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Re: Random ?: Home birth
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by nycgirl
Posted by OffWithHerHead23
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by nycgirl
You have to accept 19th century outcomes if you are going to use the techniques.
Lots of women and their babies used to die during childbirth. Not to mention bad babies that were left to die prior to neonatal ICU care.
There are lawsuits in the home birth situation. Problem is, you won't get much if you sue a midwife... And the ob at the hospital isn't responsible if you are not there. Of course, one won't read this on a home birth website.
Many women died of childbirth years ago because of infection, not complications during childbirth. There was a deep held belief into the early 1900s that washing your hands before attending a birthing mother wwas not necessary, so many women became septic after birth. You can google Ignaz Semmesweiss for that.
Secondly, there are lawsuits with OBs too, so I don't see your point? Midwives carry malpractice insurance. These aren't some women who haven't had a lick of schooling and just watch a few births and practice. These are women who have a bachelors degree in nursing, years of clinical rn experience, and a master's degree in midwifery.
Study after study have shown planned homebirths to be as safe as hospital birth. Many countries in Europe have almost exclusively homebirths, yet their complications and deaths are lower than ours, with an astronomical c-section rate. So many women are conditioned in the US to belive that pregnancy and birth are dangerous, fraught with risks and imminenet death.
Well said!!
Some midwifes are nurses. Some are not. Either way, when you sue, you can't sue someone for something that is beyond their scope of practice. Therefore, if there is anything that goes wrong... You are in a window by yourself where your baby's brain cells are dying and no one is responsible while you are getting to help.
Oh, and the recent studies show that the infant mortality rate is 2 to 3 times higher with a home birth. Also correlated by reanalyzing the old data quoted. Come on, is that really surprising?
Yes. Infection was the cause of 50% of maternal death after death... But only 50%. Blood loss was the cause of over 20%... But that's not the complication I'd be most concerned of. C
an you provide links to that study? I would be interested in reading it. Thanks.
Stillbirths have fallen dramatically. Antibiotics have nothing to do with this.
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