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PhyllisNJoe
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
I can see why a lot of people aren't even getting calls. When I was hiring at my old job YEARS ago - like 7 years ago - I would get about 100 resumes DAILY. You can only go through so much. I probably bypassed some good people, but I had no choice. I couldn't dissect every resume for the 1 person we hired (who thankfully was good)
They are hiring at my night job and 3 supervisors just cant keep up with the amount of resumes. It's like a lottery now. I'd say 80% of the people are qualified "on paper" and then about 40% are qualified in person and after months of interviewing only 3 took the jobs and one already left for something better (he worked 6 weeks)
It's really crazy.
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
Posted by tarabelle99
Two are accounting type jobs, but not CPA - accounts receivables/payables, general office work etc. The other is IT/Help Desk.
The IT guy's biggest issue is lack of degree. He has solid experience, is willing to show his stuff but doesn't get calls for interviews.
From friends I have in HR, they've told me they're flat out overwhelmed with the amount of resumes they get. One friend told me on day 1 of placing an ad for an admin assistant (mid level, so some work experience was needed) she had over 500 resumes. That's nuts. So, I can see how good people's resumes may get passed over easily in favor of flashier resumes or resumes from experienced people.
I'd normally say a degree is not as important in IT as experience is, but if there's a huge influx of resumes, you have to start organizing somehow so maybe that's how employers start. I can tell you that my main concern was relevant experience, and someone who didn't jump around every 1 to 3 years. A degree is not a deal breaker for me, or even a main stipulation. I agree too about what someone said about character traits like a willingness to learn being as important as experience.
There was a huge influx of IT people years ago (that's when I got started in IT too) and help desk / pc repair people were a dime a dozen. Once the environment changed, suddenly IT was oversaturated and companies have had to make do with less. In my old job, my department was cut in half and those who were left had to suck it up and deal with double the work. It's a common story, but worse in job types that are deemed a luxury or not as important to the bottom line. IT departments don't make money in the traditional sense. We affect efficiency but it isn't as easy to value our worth as compared to say, a salesperson.
My nephew just joined the Marine reserves and he's specializing in computer technologies. For all these reasons, I'm afraid for his future, and his ability to work in his chosen career path. 
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nrthshgrl
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
Thanks for this post. I'll put it on my list to DVR. It's definitely tough out there. DH is in the construction industry & is out 14 weeks a year. When I met him he was getting 3 weeks paid vacation!
I have several friends (SAHMs) whose husbands lost their jobs. I know someone who has been out of work for 2 years. They depleted their 401(k), are looking into getting major medical for their family of 5. The wife told me "He's applied everywhere but he's 50 & the jobs are limited." Poor guy has a HS diploma, worked his way up to middle management in the decades he worked only to be laid off.
On the flip side, I'm in HR. We have tons of resumes submitted for jobs across the country, most of which did not read the job description or they wouldn't have applied because they aren't remotely qualified for the position. You know who is applying to the l jobs? Candidates from overseas. In scores, looking for visas.
On the other hand, we had job listings at the career center for my college & my boss's college. Not ONE applicant! We've re-written the job description to try to attract college grads. Nothing!
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| Posted 7/13/12 10:15 AM |
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
I know of a bunch of people who lost their jobs (legal and finance fields) and will never find jobs like those again. They no longer exist. When a 40 + year old loses his/her job and is making 6 figures, they are not going to find another job like that b/c companies/firms can hire 2 or more young people or outsource in another country for much less. My dh lost his job in 2009 and could not find anything. He went to a great college, great business school and had great work experience, but everytime he applied somewhere, they said he was overexperienced. He found something - one position where 3000 people applied for it. The NYS court system opened up a program for out of work attorneys who had more than 5 years experience - clerk for a judge but no pay. First week 75 people applied. 75 peope applied for a nonpaying job!!! That is crazy. Also, a lot of these people have a ton of school loans. Right now, law school is about 150k. While I know people are saying there are no qualified people out there, I think it depends on the field.
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| Posted 7/13/12 11:02 AM |
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
Posted by mrsej
I know of a bunch of people who lost their jobs (legal and finance fields) and will never find jobs like those again. They no longer exist. When a 40 + year old loses his/her job and is making 6 figures, they are not going to find another job like that b/c companies/firms can hire 2 or more young people or outsource in another country for much less. My dh lost his job in 2009 and could not find anything. He went to a great college, great business school and had great work experience, but everytime he applied somewhere, they said he was overexperienced. He found something - one position where 3000 people applied for it. The NYS court system opened up a program for out of work attorneys who had more than 5 years experience - clerk for a judge but no pay. First week 75 people applied. 75 peope applied for a nonpaying job!!! That is crazy. Also, a lot of these people have a ton of school loans. Right now, law school is about 150k. While I know people are saying there are no qualified people out there, I think it depends on the field.
I agree with this. Unfortunately a lot of people who lost jobs on or around 2008 will NEVER find jobs like that again paying what they were paid. NEVER. There is a lot of outsourcing now, companies are no longer as stable as they used to be and some of the fields just are no longer. College kids are coming out of school with lots of ambition and time and willing to work for less.
Another blow is that if you were in a specialized field making six figures chances are you were living a lifestyle to support that salary. Now six figure salaries are hard to come by so what do you do? Take a job making $40K if you could even get one...how can you pay your large mortgage or debt? You can't. It's just really sad.
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I don't know how to feel
I know the struggle most go through but then u get on here and people are doin major renos.. Fancy trips, big birthdays.. Buying pricey bags etc.. Seem to have tons of money in 401s and savings. So who knows
I don't judge because it's not my situation and even I bought a fancy bag recently.
I'm scared shitless though and try to live my life well while saving as much as I can... Yet I still make exceptions for certain things because you do have to enjoy life
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| Posted 7/13/12 12:26 PM |
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Jugglemom
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
Posted by cncforever
I don't know how to feel
I know the struggle most go through but then u get on here and people are doin major renos.. Fancy trips, big birthdays.. Buying pricey bags etc.. Seem to have tons of money in 401s and savings. So who knows
I don't judge because it's not my situation and even I bought a fancy bag recently.
I'm scared shitless though and try to live my life well while saving as much as I can... Yet I still make exceptions for certain things because you do have to enjoy life
Well it's both. The fact is that most people are employed. I am not sure what the unemployment rate on LI Is but let's say it is 8%. That means that 92% have jobs. When I look around at my friends who are in our 30's everyone s doing very well. Unfortunately, there is 8% of the population that is not and if you are in that 8% then life is really hard right now.
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| Posted 7/13/12 12:57 PM |
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LeShellem
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
Posted by cncforever
I don't know how to feel
I know the struggle most go through but then u get on here and people are doin major renos.. Fancy trips, big birthdays.. Buying pricey bags etc.. Seem to have tons of money in 401s and savings. So who knows
I don't judge because it's not my situation and even I bought a fancy bag recently.
I'm scared shitless though and try to live my life well while saving as much as I can... Yet I still make exceptions for certain things because you do have to enjoy life
In regards to the people on here. I have said this before, people with the means will boast about what they are doing. It's human nature. But those without the means will say nothing. You never see a post that says, "look at what I can't afford to buy."
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| Posted 7/13/12 3:09 PM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
Posted by LeShellem
In regards to the people on here. I have said this before, people with the means will boast about what they are doing. It's human nature. But those without the means will say nothing. You never see a post that says, "look at what I can't afford to buy."
Exactly! It's like on FB how everyone looks happy. It's because we rarely whip out a camera when we're arguing with our spouses or sitting on a delayed train for the 1,000th time. We save it for vacations & smiling photos.
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| Posted 7/13/12 3:30 PM |
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maybesoon
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
Posted by cncforever
I don't know how to feel
I know the struggle most go through but then u get on here and people are doin major renos.. Fancy trips, big birthdays.. Buying pricey bags etc.. Seem to have tons of money in 401s and savings. So who knows
I don't judge because it's not my situation and even I bought a fancy bag recently.
I'm scared shitless though and try to live my life well while saving as much as I can... Yet I still make exceptions for certain things because you do have to enjoy life
You read my mind.
Every other car is a bRand new Lexus, BMW, Mercedes etc. women are wearing huge rocks on their fingers, the restaurants are packed any day of the week. Hair salons are packed, kids going to $$$$$ camps all summer. Sometimes I look around and think, what recession are we talking about? The amount of renovations on homes and huge vacations FAmilies take, I just wonder.
Maybe I am lucky but I only know one person that has lost his job recently (older peron) and that was performance issues. The other people that have been laid off have jobs better then they had before.
I also save $ because that is just my nature.
I did not watch the documentary but I just don't see it. I hope to watch it but we don't have hbo
In any case, I hope things turn around for everyone soon. We should all be comfortable , have a job, and enough time to spend with our families.
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| Posted 7/13/12 3:44 PM |
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lovemyfamily88
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
Posted by maybesoon
Posted by cncforever
I don't know how to feel
I know the struggle most go through but then u get on here and people are doin major renos.. Fancy trips, big birthdays.. Buying pricey bags etc.. Seem to have tons of money in 401s and savings. So who knows
I don't judge because it's not my situation and even I bought a fancy bag recently.
I'm scared shitless though and try to live my life well while saving as much as I can... Yet I still make exceptions for certain things because you do have to enjoy life
You read my mind.
Every other car is a bRand new Lexus, BMW, Mercedes etc. women are wearing huge rocks on their fingers, the restaurants are packed any day of the week. Hair salons are packed, kids going to $$$$$ camps all summer. Sometimes I look around and think, what recession are we talking about? The amount of renovations on homes and huge vacations FAmilies take, I just wonder.
Maybe I am lucky but I only know one person that has lost his job recently (older peron) and that was performance issues. The other people that have been laid off have jobs better then they had before.
I also save $ because that is just my nature.
I did not watch the documentary but I just don't see it. I hope to watch it but we don't have hbo
In any case, I hope things turn around for everyone soon. We should all be comfortable , have a job, and enough time to spend with our families.
I see all this crazy spending as the reason to why some people get in so much trouble. The people buying expensive cars, houses, trips are the ones who have the rug pulled from under them when they lose thier jobs. Yes life is good now so they spend, spend, spend. Buy houses that they can afford now but what happens if they lose their jobs. Did they save enough to support their families for a year or two just in case?
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| Posted 7/13/12 4:07 PM |
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cateyemm
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
can i call it ironic that i cant afford hbo to watch this show?
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| Posted 7/13/12 4:29 PM |
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Mrs007
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
Posted by cateyemm
can i call it ironic that i cant afford hbo to watch this show?
You know, I was just thinking the same thing! We cut our TV packages in order to save $$ so I cannot even watch it!
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| Posted 7/13/12 4:42 PM |
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Janice
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
Posted by cateyemm
can i call it ironic that i cant afford hbo to watch this show?
 i was thinking the same...
i don't think we have ever had hbo.
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| Posted 7/13/12 4:46 PM |
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
I just wanted to respond to back up those who are having a hard time finding good employees.
I work in the human services/health care field and it's the same thing.
I know I am going to sound like a huge b!tch, but honestly, I go out of my way to avoid our last couple of hires because of how awful they are.
I swear one lied on their resume about their degree/experience because they can't figure out simple things even my 3-year-old knows how to do.
The other one, "nothing is her job" and when you call her with something, it's ALWAYS a fight.
The first one has caught on that if he says "he has too much to do" the supervisor will just get someone else to do it. It's all the freakin' time now and everyone is getting really pi$$ed. I don't think they've been there for more than a few months and have such balls.
My supervisor said the resumes he gets are crap and they post on places like Careerbuilder, so he needs to take ppl like this in the meantime. It $ucks because when you coddle ppl like this, it is horrible for employee morale overall and then you set up an awful cycle of expectation among these idiots.
Like others indicated, my boss also said that it's a constant where he will schedule an interview and then no one shows up. This is for both Long Island and NYC positions.
On the flip side, I have been working in my field since 1998, without a lapse in employment and I have a Master's degree and no one even responds to me when I send out resumes.
If anyone is looking, please, let me know and I would absolutely pass on your resume.
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tara73
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
Every person on here who is in a hiring capacity is complaining they can't find good employees.
People are complaining they are reliable employees and don't even get calls back from submitted resumes. Since I know some personally and can vouch for their work ethic and competency, I'm baffled they don't get calls.
So where is the disconnect?
What is wrong with the way hiring is being done that employers are contacting duds and good employees are languishing in crappy jobs or unemployed and not getting calls?
For those hiring, tell us what you're looking for in a resume. What jumps out at you. What do you automatically discount and toss aside?
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Since I was the last one who commented, I will respond:
Master's degree preferred (MSW), but will consider BA degree if the experience is there.
At least 2-3 years solid working experience doing case management with clients who are disabled.
Ability to write!!!!!
Willingness to do field work (we try to lump your cases in the same general area). Caseload on average is 10-14 at any given time and you meet with the client monthly.
Ability to work independently/figure out common sense things on your own before going to a supervisor constantly (This is a HUGE area I see is lacking with people of ALL ages).
Good communication skills/able to work as part of a team and with other providers (This is MAJOR at my job because we are all about customer service).
Willingness to do things that social workers and ppl who work in our field have to do sometimes that suck without complaining for a week about it (i.e. dropping a foodstamps application off, dealing with a family member who is difficult, helping ensure a client is following through on their medical appts, etc.)
There are lots of good perks about my agency so I am often clueless myself.
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| Posted 7/13/12 5:27 PM |
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tara73
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
Posted by mzsocialworker1
Willingness to do things that social workers and ppl who work in our field have to do sometimes that suck without complaining for a week about it (i.e. dropping a foodstamps application off, dealing with a family member who is difficult, helping ensure a client is following through on their medical appts, etc.)
I don't think this exists LOL
Seriously, OK, so you're reviewing resumes, do you consider people just out of school that may be career changers that have a solid work history otherwise?
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| Posted 7/13/12 5:41 PM |
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mrsBLT
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
Posted by tarabelle99
Every person on here who is in a hiring capacity is complaining they can't find good employees.
People are complaining they are reliable employees and don't even get calls back from submitted resumes. Since I know some personally and can vouch for their work ethic and competency, I'm baffled they don't get calls.
So where is the disconnect?
What is wrong with the way hiring is being done that employers are contacting duds and good employees are languishing in crappy jobs or unemployed and not getting calls?
For those hiring, tell us what you're looking for in a resume. What jumps out at you. What do you automatically discount and toss aside?
I get so many resumes from people that are not qualified for the job. When we post job openings, we are very specific about the qualifications because we don't want to waste time looking at resumes of people who we wouldn't hire, but I can tell you that still 8 out of the 10 resumes I receive will be from people who are highly educated, have years of experience, but are not qualified for THAT particular job. I think that everyone is applying for any job they see, so it's hard for HR departments to read every resume and find real applicants, and that's why people are getting passed over. I understand that people are desperate for a job, but I also think that they should only apply for jobs they will actually be considered for so the people that are qualified for those positions actually have a chance and don't get passed over.
As far as what I look for in a resume:
1. Experience (based on the type of job we're hiring for and what experience we specified in the posting). We understand that not everyone will have the exact experience we want, especially now, so we are even looking for customer service, reception/admin skills, etc. even if they don't directly relate to the position.
2. Education
3. Professionalism (if you have typos or horrid grammar in your resume/cover letter or you start it out with something like, "I DON'T WANT NO COMMISSION BASED JOBS. I'M DESPERATE FOR WORK. DON'T EMAIL ME BACK OR I'LL THINK IT'S SPAM. CALL ME" don't expect to get a call from me). Also, if I call you to talk about the position, make sure that if you answer the phone you're in a position to talk. If you're not, then be honest and ask to call me back. I'd rather have you call me back than sit on the phone trying to ask you questions with screaming kids, honking horns, or any other distracting things going on in the background.
4. Easy to read resumes that highlight the above things. Yes, that customer service experience as a waitress is great and I like to see that, but I don't need 4 bullet points under that job explaining what you did - I know what a waitress is. Use the space and the time I'll spend reading your cover letter and resume to highlight and elaborate on the most impressive things/the things I'll care about most.
5. FOLLOW UP! If you meet all the qualifications in the job posting and you think you're a perfect match, send me another email if you haven't heard back within a week/week and a half!
6. Be appreciative and open minded. Chances are you aren't getting your dream job in this market. If something starts out as part time with the opportunity to move to full time, consider it. If something doesn't start at your ideal salary, consider it. Consider anything that comes your way.
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
Posted by tarabelle99
Posted by mzsocialworker1
Willingness to do things that social workers and ppl who work in our field have to do sometimes that suck without complaining for a week about it (i.e. dropping a foodstamps application off, dealing with a family member who is difficult, helping ensure a client is following through on their medical appts, etc.)
I don't think this exists LOL
Seriously, OK, so you're reviewing resumes, do you consider people just out of school that may be career changers that have a solid work history otherwise?
It can be hard because of the reason I mentioned about not going to the supervisor for every little thing.
As I mentioned as well, you need to have a certain amount of years of case management experience. This is a state mandate, not agency one.
I've been doing what I do for awhile and trust me, it's hard to find ppl who are all of these things I mentioned above.
I really don't get it in this economy.
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ChilisWife
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
I just watched this documentary and am in tears. I am also utterly disgusted about all the jobs being outsourced overseas. I want to send some of these people money and gift cards! It is so sad and SCARY because it can happen to anyone. It doesn't matter how hard you work, how smart you are, how well you plan. It means crap.
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Posted by cateyemm
can i call it ironic that i cant afford hbo to watch this show?
 I was thinking the same thing!!!!!
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beautyq115
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
I just finished watching this.....I am so depressed especially for the Hartstein family. I was glad there were some happy updates for some of the other people.
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Re: "Hard Times: Lost on Long Island" was on HBO last night
As someone in a hiring capacity for a large company. I will also jump on the bandwagon that I get more "bad" applicants than qualified.
Interview 101
1. Make sure you are reachable-Some applicants dont check for typos and unfortunately I've gotten star resumes but the contact info was wrong.
2a. Make sure you read the job description-dont apply for the job you "think" you can do. If Im looking for a specific skillset or software-sorry but most managers DO NOT WANT TO TRAIN.
2b. Pay close attention to the years experience-its a good indicator if the company is looking for entry level. Again-the truth is someone with 10-15+ years experience most likely wont get interviewed for a job seeking 1-3 or 3-5 yrs exp. Usually its a non mangerial job or role best suited for junior employees. So the manager may be threatened by someone who has more years experience and could take their job-reality unfortunately. Also in the rare cases an exception is made-it usually hasnt worked out because the experienced hire at times has issues going in to such a junior role and although they may feel it does not show-most often the attitude creeps out-not always ina challenging way but those around can tell they are not comfortable in the junior role :(
3. Appearance-Who ever said it didnt matter lied. It matters just as much as your resume does. You dont need fancy suits but if its a hip industry (like I'm in) you have to come polished or at least interview like you get the industry i.e Tie for some Finance roles, hip and trendy for creative roles etc
4. Personality-know your audience. Let the recruiter or manager guide the interview. If the interviewer is a talker-run with it. If not-keep the answers short. We ar elooking for a connection. And unfortunately if we dont get one-you usually dont get the job..
Those are just a few...
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We've run into this recently as well. Positions have been offered to ppl with years more experience than the average, and they have accepted.
While it's great to have them and their expertise on staff, there's also a major boundaries thing going on and very often because they have the years of experience, it's almost expected (to them) that they be treated differently from the role they were hired for.
I have someone on staff right now who is a wonderful person but doesn't know when to stop, that they are NOT going to get promoted into the role they desire. They are twice my age with all kinds of letters and experience behind their name.
It's challenging for our team to adapt to a person like this, because they are so focused on what they WANT to have instead of on the ROLE they were HIRED for.
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