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rose825
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Re: There just has to be an answer out there...
next time he has a rageful fit she should call 911 that he is emotionally disturbed. If she can get him into an inpatient psych unit the social worker will help with a good disposition. I hope Stony Brook is not your nearest hospital though, because I understand their criteria for admission are very high and they admit no one! Good luck.
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Re: There just has to be an answer out there...
if she can get him into a psych unit. He can not just walk out.
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My moms counselor told her to bring him to the er at the hospital, and say he is suicidial ( i guess in someway- doing drugs is suicidal) That way they'd admitt him, run drug tests etc...
but- there was just something about lying that didnt sit well with us...
Yes stony brook is the closet one 
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Re: There just has to be an answer out there...
Posted by rose825
if she can get him into a psych unit. He can not just walk out.
they treat drug addiction in the psych units?
Or do the transfer them out?
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Re: There just has to be an answer out there...
 I am so sorry!
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Re: There just has to be an answer out there...
Posted by Redhead
Posted by rose825
if she can get him into a psych unit. He can not just walk out.
they treat drug addiction in the psych units?
Or do the transfer them out?
They will take them in if they also have emotional issues.
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if she can get him into a psych unit. He can not just walk out.
they treat drug addiction in the psych units?
Or do the transfer them out?
They will take them in if they also have emotional issues.
i understand that..
but yet look at it differently than people with addiction...
i have a lot of patients that will end up there..
They are primarily used to stablize people on medication...
Never to get someone off an addiction only..
but that is just my experience with them
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Re: There just has to be an answer out there...
Posted by Redhead
Posted by prncssrachel
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Posted by rose825
if she can get him into a psych unit. He can not just walk out.
they treat drug addiction in the psych units?
Or do the transfer them out?
They will take them in if they also have emotional issues.
i understand that..
but yet look at it differently than people with addiction...
i have a lot of patients that will end up there..
They are primarily used to stablize people on medication...
Never to get someone off an addiction only..
but that is just my experience with them
That's been my experience as well. Although, some of the hospitals have detox units but that's short term and I think has to be voluntary.
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Posted by Wendy1220
i have a lot of patients that will end up there..
They are primarily used to stablize people on medication...
Never to get someone off an addiction only..
but that is just my experience with them
That's been my experience as well. Although, some of the hospitals have detox units but that's short term and I think has to be voluntary.
that is what i thought as well
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Many substance abusers have an underlying mood disorder. You are right if it is purely a drug problem than no a psych unit is not the way to go. But it sounds like there are other emotional and behavioral problems. Unless all fo this behavior is only when he is high and he is normal when he is sober.
What a psych unit would do is be able to observe him in the absence of any mood altering substance and then be able to appropriately address any underlying issues. If there are none than he wouldnt be put on meds and transferred to an appropriate facility.
Stony brook is very crowded and very hard to access. You may have to travel a bit but getting him somewhere is the first step.
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Marissa -- my older brother and sister both had (sister still has at 33) serious drug problems. They were from my dad's first marriage and were born addicted because thier mom was a herion addict, and even though my dad and mom raised them from when they were really young becaue he left thier mom, they still had a lot of problems growing up. My brother was in and out of phoenix house as a child and my sister has been in so much trouble.
Please let me know if you just need someone to listen. They are both older then me so I saw it from a different perspective, but I do know what it is like to have someone with those types of problems so close to you. Also my niece's ex bf recently went through a serious of drug rehab places so let me know if you want me to find out any of the info on them.
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Posted by rose825
Many substance abusers have an underlying mood disorder. You are right if it is purely a drug problem than no a psych unit is not the way to go. But it sounds like there are other emotional and behavioral problems. Unless all fo this behavior is only when he is high and he is normal when he is sober.
What a psych unit would do is be able to observe him in the absence of any mood altering substance and then be able to appropriately address any underlying issues. If there are none than he wouldnt be put on meds and transferred to an appropriate facility.
Stony brook is very crowded and very hard to access. You may have to travel a bit but getting him somewhere is the first step.
yes....that does make sense...
just think that though...if there is no mood disorder here....
then a place like this would be doing them a HUGE disservice..
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Posted by rose825
Many substance abusers have an underlying mood disorder. You are right if it is purely a drug problem than no a psych unit is not the way to go. But it sounds like there are other emotional and behavioral problems. Unless all fo this behavior is only when he is high and he is normal when he is sober.
What a psych unit would do is be able to observe him in the absence of any mood altering substance and then be able to appropriately address any underlying issues. If there are none than he wouldnt be put on meds and transferred to an appropriate facility.
Stony brook is very crowded and very hard to access. You may have to travel a bit but getting him somewhere is the first step.
yes....that does make sense...
just think that though...if there is no mood disorder here....
then a place like this would be doing them a HUGE disservice..
Really??? How so? If they can gain entry into "the system" and in the process either eliminate or confirm an underlying problem, I would think they would be a lot better off then where they are now.
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Re: There just has to be an answer out there...
Posted by rose825
yes....that does make sense...
just think that though...if there is no mood disorder here....
then a place like this would be doing them a HUGE disservice..
Really??? How so? If they can gain entry into "the system" and in the process either eliminate or confirm an underlying problem, I would think they would be a lot better off then where they are now.
i just think that if there is no underlying mood issue
then they are probably going to either just detox him and discharge
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put him on another substance...which is probably unnecessary...
Do they transer to any rehab facility...if so then you are correct that would be a great way to go
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sorry for the hijack 
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they would absolutely transfer to a rehab facility. And if they dont think there is a mood disorder they wont prescribe meds. BUt there are some meds that are also good for impulse control disorders.
ETA: marissa I hope this is helpful. It is a tough decision but your fmaily will know best what direction is right and whether or not they suspect something else is going on. Lord knows your fmaily has enough other stressors.
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Posted by rose825
they would absolutely transfer to a rehab facility. And if they dont think there is a mood disorder they wont prescribe meds. .
oh....well then that is an AWESOME way to go then and i agree...
but a lot of the psych units are way over crowded in both counties...
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Wow, your brothers situation sadly sounds like my brother growing up. My parents tried everything under the sun, he was put in South Oaks, but after a while left, was in jail a few times for minor things, but always got out. As he got older, he realized what an idiot he was and was turning his life around when he sadly died.
Here is another idea....my uncle had to do this with my cousin....Look for a place far away, another state..my uncle went to Michigan..for a rehab for my cousin. As long as your brother is here, being influenced by his probably scummy friends, feeling like he can just walk all over your mom, not much will change. Tell your mom to check in to some rehabs in other states. All she has to do is tell your brother she wants the two of them to get a way for a bit, take and just leave him, I know it sounds cruel,but he'll be in an unfamiliar place, he won't know anyone and he'll have no money for anything, therefore, he will have no choice but to stay. And I believe most of these rehabs are based on a sliding scale. Just a suggestion, worked for my cousin, she stayed in treatment, because she had no alternative, no where to go, finished her rehab, met a great guy, got married and today is in her final year of nursing school.
I will keep your brother in my prayers that he wakes up and realizes what he is doing to himself and the people he loves before its too late.
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Im sorry I dont have any answers...but Im sorry you're going through this
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Thanks everyone...
There is def. behavioral issues.... and I wanna say some emotional issues as well (since this all came out after my dad left)
As far as going away...
My mom found some home/school in PA. that allows them to finish HS, and its also a rehab- I think they too have the "open door" policy, however- he'll be less likely to "walk out" being in a different state with no where to go....
Im not sure what the answer is..... but something gotta be better than this!
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Marissa - I wish I had some advice for you!
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Thanks everyone...
There is def. behavioral issues.... and I wanna say some emotional issues as well (since this all came out after my dad left)
As far as going away...
My mom found some home/school in PA. that allows them to finish HS, and its also a rehab- I think they too have the "open door" policy, however- he'll be less likely to "walk out" being in a different state with no where to go....
Im not sure what the answer is..... but something gotta be better than this!
I hope it works out. And If your mom is considering sending him away, She might want to look further than PA. Only because it is close enough where his friends could visit or take him out of the place if he calls.
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Many substance abusers have an underlying mood disorder. You are right if it is purely a drug problem than no a psych unit is not the way to go. But it sounds like there are other emotional and behavioral problems. Unless all fo this behavior is only when he is high and he is normal when he is sober.
What a psych unit would do is be able to observe him in the absence of any mood altering substance and then be able to appropriately address any underlying issues. If there are none than he wouldnt be put on meds and transferred to an appropriate facility.
Stony brook is very crowded and very hard to access. You may have to travel a bit but getting him somewhere is the first step.
yes....that does make sense...
just think that though...if there is no mood disorder here....
then a place like this would be doing them a HUGE disservice..
Mather Hospital has a very good psych. program. The best part about it is that they separate the juveniles from the adults. There are actually (especially true for the juvenile unit) more drug addicted patients than emotionally disabled patients. It is a locked unit and they can't "check themselves out". After hospitalization (usually around 10 days) they have a "partial hospitalization" day program for about 12 weeks. Their follow up is very good. They'll assign a social worker and help set up tutoring.
What school district is he in? I'm sorry you're going through this. I've been through it all with my brother. You can FM me for details if you'd like.
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I would have to agree that there does sound like something is underlying all of this and treatment of any kind is the best way to get the doors open to help in any form.
I find many drug addicts always have underlying depression, rage etc that stems and then morphs into the addiction.
I think she should attempt to get him psychoilogically help first, they are the ones who will tackle the other issues. AND they will help with legal issues as well.
Is he covered under insurance? Your Mom can call the mental health portion of the insurance to ask for places to take him. They will call places and FIND a bed, versus going to the ER aand being admitted into psych as well....
i work a lot with our mental health division at my job and they transfer patients to where ever they are needed and are often involved in the court end as well.
GOOD LUCK!!!!!
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