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QuoteTheRaven424
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I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
Yesterday, at the Met game, our new closer Billy Wagner came out to "Enter Sandman" by Metallica. Of course, Yankee fans know this song as "Mo Rivera's song", as he has been the most identified with it.
I have my thoughts, but want to hear yours.
Not looking to start a Met-Yankee war here.
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DjPiLL
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
This post I pulled from another site sums up my view perfectly.
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Billy Wagner: 1995 MLB Debut
Assumed Closer's Role: 1996.
First Season as Opening Day Closer: 1997
Mariano Rivera: 1995 MLB Debut
Assumed Closer's Role: 1996.
First Season as Opening Day Closer: 1997
How can anyone assume that Rivera had it first?
Just because YANKEE FANS have NO CLUE WHAT THE CLOSER IN HOUSTON is doing in 1997, doesn't mean Rivera had it first.
I have NO IDEA who had it first. I have no idea what ANY closer comes into, except Rivera and Hoffman.
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| Posted 4/4/06 10:23 AM |
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DjPiLL
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
Also.... I am VERY HAPPY... that Wagner pretty much said f' the Yanks and Rivera. The last thing I wanted to see is a p*ssy closer.
They both started using the song at the same time. They are both on the same level skill wise. Rivera simply had the luxury of playing on the better team his whole career.
There are no "rights" to songs... and if any Yankee fan is ****** about this.... all I can do is 
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| Posted 4/4/06 10:25 AM |
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FeliciaDP
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
Posted by DjPiLL
There are no "rights" to songs... and if any Yankee fan is ****** about this.... all I can do is
Well I'm a Yankee fan and I'm not pizzed about it at all  So please do not categorize Yankee fans in general
Quite frankly, I could care less 90% of the time WHAT goes on with the Mets, their new closer or otherwise  I mean no disrespect by that statement either. The only time I really care about the Mets is when they are playing the Yankees. Any other game of the season, I wish them well, since they aren't our direct competition anyhow
This "Enter Sandman" story.. well to me, it sounds like a story that the MEDIA is just looking to PUSH to create yet another "NY rivalry" over (IMO anyhow)
Just too too silly
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
my opinion is that if wagner happens to like the song and wants to use it, he should be able to, but he should be prepared to accept the criticism from the yankee fans, since rivera is most identified with the song in New York. But, at the end of the day it's not "Mariano's song" He just happens to be the most associated with it.
BUT, if the mets and wagner are only using the song to take a shot at the yankees, that's wrong. He's only played one game in New York and if he fails, he sets himself up as a laughing stock. At this point, shut up and play.
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
Posted by CaptainCharisma424
my opinion is that if wagner happens to like the song and wants to use it, he should be able to, but he should be prepared to accept the criticism from the yankee fans, since rivera is most identified with the song in New York. But, at the end of the day it's not "Mariano's song" He just happens to be the most associated with it.
BUT, if the mets and wagner are only using the song to take a shot at the yankees, that's wrong. He's only played one game in New York and if he fails, he sets himself up as a laughing stock. At this point, shut up and play.
Agree on all counts 
I will say though that when the Subway Series rolls around, it WILL be really interesting if/when either closer is brought into the game and that song is played
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
for all we know it could have been a one time thing - -who knows
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FeliciaDP
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
Posted by CaptainCharisma424
for all we know it could have been a one time thing - -who knows
Yes, true. In which case I think its really kind of stupid, but that's just me.
I suppose unless someone knows for SURE whether Billy Wagner used this song in his past (instead of just posting 'statisics' on when Wagner began as a closer ) then really there isn't much to debate, now is there 
Posted by DjPiLL
They both started using the song at the same time.
Do we know this for sure?? Or are you just 'speculating" based on the fact he started his career around the same time as Mo?
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DjPiLL
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
YES i know for sure. Billy said that Jeff Bagwell picked the song for him in '97.
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| Posted 4/4/06 11:06 AM |
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MrsS2005
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
I thought Wagner had been using that song for a while. He shouldn't have to give it up b/c a pitcher from another NY team uses it too. I think it's stupid to criticize him for using a song he has used for years.
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| Posted 4/4/06 11:13 AM |
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FeliciaDP
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
Posted by DjPiLL
YES i know for sure. Billy said that Jeff Bagwell picked the song for him in '97.
Well then there ya go ..
Let him use it all he wants, he's entitled
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dengal
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
This was a major debate yesterday on WFAN. If Wagner used it in the past, I don't see a problem with him continuing to use it.
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| Posted 4/4/06 11:30 AM |
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Stefanie
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
Who cares who uses that song....all that matters is when I hear it, I know that Rivera is coming out...
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
Posted by Stefanie
Who cares who uses that song....all that matters is when I hear it, I know that Rivera is coming out...
unless you're watching a subway series game on TV at shea
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| Posted 4/4/06 2:18 PM |
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Stefanie
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
Doh...
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Redhead
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
i really don't care who walks out to what
he...if he wants to bite off someone elses identity...so be it
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
i agree with your first statement red
disagree with the second
i have to do some more reading on this
but if what pill says is true, then he wouldn't be biting off of anyone
if they both used the song historically, then he wouldn't be copying rivera
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Redhead
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
Posted by CaptainCharisma424
i agree with your first statement red
disagree with the second
i have to do some more reading on this
but if what pill says is true, then he wouldn't be biting off of anyone
if they both used the song historically, then he wouldn't be copying rivera
true...but i don't htink i would have done it
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
so you would have changed an entrance that you've had historically?
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Redhead
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
Posted by CaptainCharisma424
so you would have changed an entrance that you've had historically?
yes i think i might
but i am not him
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
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Posted by CaptainCharisma424
so you would have changed an entrance that you've had historically?
yes i think i might
but i am not him
and IMO, if he had done that, he would have looked like a p*ssy
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| Posted 4/4/06 6:11 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
Posted by CaptainCharisma424
Posted by Redhead
Posted by CaptainCharisma424
so you would have changed an entrance that you've had historically?
yes i think i might
but i am not him
and IMO, if he had done that, he would have looked like a p*ssy
i dunno....this is where i just see the BIG boys playing in the sandbox....
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DebG
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
I think whoever paid to download the song should be the one who gets to use it
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| Posted 4/4/06 7:04 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
Posted by DebG
I think whoever paid to download the song should be the one who gets to use it
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| Posted 4/4/06 7:07 PM |
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traceyd
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Re: I'm going to open up a Pandora's box here
I will always consider it Mo's song -that is my favorite part when I go to Yankee games
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