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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
I have been avoiding commenting on this hot topic for a while now but...
Everytime I read someone saying this woman was a "POS", it REALLY bothers me. What happened was HORRIBLE.
You can be mad, you can be angry, but to call someone a POS when they are dead is just something that I find to be inexcusable. No matter what she may have done, she is still someone's daughter, mother, wife, sister, etc. Imagine if your brother/sister was DEAD and people you don't even know where calling him/her a "POS."
Or that 5 year old boy. One day, he will be able to use the internet and will google his mother's name. He will then see all these posts where his dead mother was called a "POS." How would YOU feel?
I understand the emotion around this issue, but really, perhaps we can all take a deep breath and have this debate without such derogatory terms. I am not asking you to respect this woman, I am just asking to consider the other people involved.
JMO. FLAME AWAY!!!!!!!!!
(PS - I am not a big drinker & I have a kid but I have had bottles of wine in my car going to/from a party or vacation or as a housewarming gift, etc. Not sure why everyone is suddenly so holy and never transported booze before  )
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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
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but even if she DID have a TIA, it still begs the questions...WHY did she have alcohol and pot in her system? WHY was a full bottle of vodka at her arms reach in the car? what did she have a joint/roach/blunt whatever...available to smoke AT ALL?
she couldn't be this "clean" person that everyone claims her to be and magically have these things in her possession on the same day she randomly has a stroke.
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I don't drink, but you can absolutely find me driving with wine, beer or hard liquor in my car. Not all the time, but if I am going to or coming from someone's house, a party, or a get together, I might have any of these items in my car. Because I am bringing it to a location for other people or taking it home for DH.
in the front seat? an open bottle? with a rolled joint.
I carry wine too, so it does't clang clang clang. but I am not the one driving. 
if you are sitting in your car driving and mistake a bottle of vodka for a bottle of water...odds are it's in your line of vision, or within the reach of you hand. not smart no matter how you slice it.
No to the rolled joint in the car 
And yes, I have had alcohol in the front seat of my car. No, not open, but I guess I never thought of a reason to not have the alcohol in the front seat. Sometimes I just put it there so that it doesn't bang into anything else. So yes, I guess you could say that I have been guilty of having alcohol in my car within arms reach.
Maybe this story is a good example of why I should start putting it in the trunk.
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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
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They originally said they carried that same bottle of vodka back and forth with them every weekend in the car because the husband liked to have a drink at night when they were at the camp site.
As the pp stated, I dont see anything too wrong with that. We go on famlily vacations all the time and we have leftover beers in our car that we travel home with. I am sure a lot of people do that, I just dont think they break em out while they are driving?
ITA with you...especially knowing the area they went camping (as I do), liquor stores are not very prevalent...and even if there is one in the area, chances are the prices are almost double there!
For the record, I am certainly not making any excuses for her, I think it's despicable what she did. I just don't get why people think it's a big deal that someone would have a bottle of booze in the car coming back from a trip (AGAIN, I would NEVER say it was ok for her to drink while driving, or even for passengers to drink in a car). A bottle of booze (or beer) packed in with the rest of the luggage/belongings would not be alarming to me.
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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
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Maybe this story is a good example of why I should start putting it in the trunk.
only if you would be a candidate for a stroke and then decide to drink some water b/c you feel disoriented
it's the WHOLE picture being painted that i am barking at. not any one piece versus another.
and LOL at the "holy transporting alcohol" comment (to whoever made it..not nec the person quoted). that wasn't really where I was going or the point.
but you can pick at what I am saying until the cows come home. doesn't make ANY of the theories valid (or disprove any of them either.)
at the end of the day. she still drove in her condition and killed people. that's all that matters to me.
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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
Posted by Ophelia
at the end of the day. she still drove in her condition and killed people. that's all that matters to me.
I guess I keep trying to think of it this way. (probably because I just have such a hard time understanding what she did) If I were her husband, would I be trying everything in my power to make her look less culpable?
Yes, at the end of the day, she drove, she had a BAC of 0.19, she had pot in her system and she killed 7 people plus herself.  Nothing is going to change that.
But if the DH can find some rational explanation as to why it happened other than the fact that she was a horrible, terrible, monster, I don't blame him for trying.
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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
I also think the husband is changing his story a bit - he told investigators that she drank on friday night - two vodkas and juice. He also told investigators that she occasionally smoked pot when she was stressed. Now he is saying she never drank and won't answer questions about pot. I think the husband is nervous about potential lawsuits - insurance companies won't cover for DUI. I think he would be better if he just did things quietly - exhume the body without holding a press conference. I think the fact that the forgotten victims here, the Bastardi and Longo families, have to endure b/c of this neverending overwheliming publicity by the husband is very difficult.
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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
1) It was stated last night that the van she was driving was actually her brothers car. Do we know if that's true or not? I'm curious bc that's the first time I heard that.
2) We can all agree to disagree about what we *think* happened, but we can certainly all agree that something isn't adding up. The timeline just isn't gelling for me. The PI that was on last night had a very detailed account from interviews with people that she had contact with prior to the accident who stated she was totally fine. And then bam, 45 minutes later, disaster strikes. Something had to have happened.
Everyone is bringing up the TIA and how it could've played a role in what happened... her disorientation, her incoherence. If it wasn't a possibility than it wouldn't have been mentioned, right? The chances of this happening the way it did are probably slim to none, but it also could've just been that one in a million perfect storm, ya know?
I feel very bad for all involved. I completely understand what Daniel Shuler is doing... would I do it, who knows. I can say with tons of certainty, that I CANNOT stand his attorney.
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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
Posted by carolinebn
I have been avoiding commenting on this hot topic for a while now but...
Everytime I read someone saying this woman was a "POS", it REALLY bothers me. What happened was HORRIBLE.
You can be mad, you can be angry, but to call someone a POS when they are dead is just something that I find to be inexcusable. No matter what she may have done, she is still someone's daughter, mother, wife, sister, etc. Imagine if your brother/sister was DEAD and people you don't even know where calling him/her a "POS."
Or that 5 year old boy. One day, he will be able to use the internet and will google his mother's name. He will then see all these posts where his dead mother was called a "POS." How would YOU feel?
I understand the emotion around this issue, but really, perhaps we can all take a deep breath and have this debate without such derogatory terms. I am not asking you to respect this woman, I am just asking to consider the other people involved.
JMO. FLAME AWAY!!!!!!!!!
(PS - I am not a big drinker & I have a kid but I have had bottles of wine in my car going to/from a party or vacation or as a housewarming gift, etc. Not sure why everyone is suddenly so holy and never transported booze before )
Problem is, if I were the family of those innocent men who were killed you can d@mn well believe that I'd be calling her a POS and a lot worse when I found out that she killed my husband, father, brother, what have you, while she was drunk and high as a kite.
It may be wrong, it may be disrespectful to the dead, but unfortuneatly it's a natural human reaction.
And just because someone is dead doesn't mean they were an angel in life and you can't call a spade a spade.
Jeffrey Dahmer is dead- does that mean we can't call him a POS for what he did to his victims?
I'm sure there is no love between the family of drunk driver vicitims and the drunks who killed them.
Ask Jennifer Flynn if Martin Heidgen is a POS... I think she'd say that and a whole lot more....
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1) It was stated last night that the van she was driving was actually her brothers car. Do we know if that's true or not? I'm curious bc that's the first time I heard that.
I am pretty sure that the Journal-News reported that the van was registered to her brother.
O/T regarding transporting alcohold- my grandma used to take me on errands, often to pick up her syringes (she was diabetic) and she always put the stuff in the trunck. I think she was afraid that she'd be pulled over and the officer would think she was shooting up.  But on a more serious note, I always put alcohol in the trunk. I'm such a nut that I worry that I'll get into an accident and the bottle or bottles will go flying.
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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
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I have been avoiding commenting on this hot topic for a while now but...
Everytime I read someone saying this woman was a "POS", it REALLY bothers me. What happened was HORRIBLE.
You can be mad, you can be angry, but to call someone a POS when they are dead is just something that I find to be inexcusable. No matter what she may have done, she is still someone's daughter, mother, wife, sister, etc. Imagine if your brother/sister was DEAD and people you don't even know where calling him/her a "POS."
Or that 5 year old boy. One day, he will be able to use the internet and will google his mother's name. He will then see all these posts where his dead mother was called a "POS." How would YOU feel?
I understand the emotion around this issue, but really, perhaps we can all take a deep breath and have this debate without such derogatory terms. I am not asking you to respect this woman, I am just asking to consider the other people involved.
JMO. FLAME AWAY!!!!!!!!!
(PS - I am not a big drinker & I have a kid but I have had bottles of wine in my car going to/from a party or vacation or as a housewarming gift, etc. Not sure why everyone is suddenly so holy and never transported booze before )
Problem is, if I were the family of those innocent men who were killed you can d@mn well believe that I'd be calling her a POS and a lot worse when I found out that she killed my husband, father, brother, what have you, while she was drunk and high as a kite.
It may be wrong, it may be disrespectful to the dead, but unfortuneatly it's a natural human reaction.
And just because someone is dead doesn't mean they were an angel in life and you can't call a spade a spade.
Jeffrey Dahmer is dead- does that mean we can't call him a POS for what he did to his victims?
I'm sure there is no love between the family of drunk driver vicitims and the drunks who killed them.
Ask Jennifer Flynn if Martin Heidgen is a POS... I think she'd say that and a whole lot more....
I see your point, but as far was I know, none of us are the family of those killed. I think they have every right to say those things. I think what happened is HORRIBLE and TERRIBLE and MONSTROUS. But I don't think Jeffrey Dalhmer's mother calls him a POS.
Again, JUST my opinion. I'm all for free speech... I just wish we could do it a little more civilly. Not looking to censor anyone.
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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
Posted by KGools
1) It was stated last night that the van she was driving was actually her brothers car. Do we know if that's true or not? I'm curious bc that's the first time I heard that.
2) We can all agree to disagree about what we *think* happened, but we can certainly all agree that something isn't adding up. The timeline just isn't gelling for me. The PI that was on last night had a very detailed account from interviews with people that she had contact with prior to the accident who stated she was totally fine. And then bam, 45 minutes later, disaster strikes. Something had to have happened.
Everyone is bringing up the TIA and how it could've played a role in what happened... her disorientation, her incoherence. If it wasn't a possibility than it wouldn't have been mentioned, right? The chances of this happening the way it did are probably slim to none, but it also could've just been that one in a million perfect storm, ya know?
I feel very bad for all involved. I completely understand what Daniel Shuler is doing... would I do it, who knows. I can say with tons of certainty, that I CANNOT stand his attorney.
It was her brother's car. That was reported a few weeks ago.
I also understand why Daniel Schuler is doing this. If it were my husband and what happened in that car was completely out of character for him, I would do everything in my power to find out how or why.
We can speculate until the cows come home on what really happened. The fact remains though that we don't know that family. We don't know what the norm is for them, if Diane never drank, or if her DH is lying. It is an awful tragedy and we will probably never know what caused her to drink, smoke pot, and drive.
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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
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Let's get real here.....the reason we are grasping for excuses is because no one can ever wrap their heads around the fact that a woman would drink and smoke like that with kids in a car on a Sunday morning. It just does not make sense and won't ever make sense.
I personally believe she snapped for whatever reason. I can't understand how you drive for almost 2 miles in broad daylight with cars coming at you and kids no doubt screaming if you are not trying to kill yourself. I don't care how drunk you have to be...there had to be a ton of cars that went past her over those 2 miles and she had plenty of time to pull over. Plus people who saw her driving the wrong way said she drove pretty straight. This was not a woman who passed out at the wheel or was driving in the middle of night in the dark with few cars on the road.
I know most of us cannot understand how a mother could do that with kids in the car, but it's always in the news of mothers snapping and doing horrible, horrible things to their kids. Whether she was depressed or angry or whatever, something made her chug that vodka bottle and smoke that pot. I think she was on a mission to kill herself and didn't care who was in that car. That is the only sense I can make of the whole horrible tragedy.
ITA. People don't want to believe that a mother can do something so horrible so they are grasping at straws.
IMO she is a POS....her legacy will not be that of a doting mother, wife and aunt...instead it's of a drunk pot smoker who killed her nieces, daughter and 3 other innocent people. Sad but true.
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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
Posted by carolinebn
I have been avoiding commenting on this hot topic for a while now but...
Everytime I read someone saying this woman was a "POS", it REALLY bothers me. What happened was HORRIBLE.
You can be mad, you can be angry, but to call someone a POS when they are dead is just something that I find to be inexcusable. No matter what she may have done, she is still someone's daughter, mother, wife, sister, etc. Imagine if your brother/sister was DEAD and people you don't even know where calling him/her a "POS."
Or that 5 year old boy. One day, he will be able to use the internet and will google his mother's name. He will then see all these posts where his dead mother was called a "POS." How would YOU feel?
I understand the emotion around this issue, but really, perhaps we can all take a deep breath and have this debate without such derogatory terms. I am not asking you to respect this woman, I am just asking to consider the other people involved.
JMO. FLAME AWAY!!!!!!!!!
(PS - I am not a big drinker & I have a kid but I have had bottles of wine in my car going to/from a party or vacation or as a housewarming gift, etc. Not sure why everyone is suddenly so holy and never transported booze before )
I have sympathy for her family, and especially her son. How horrible for him as he gets older and learns how needlessly his sister and cousins died, along with his mother.
But I have no sympathy for her. The issue isn't that she had a bottle of booze in her car, if that's all the evidence that was found, it wouldn't mean she drank. But the toxicology report found a high level of alsochol plus marijuana in her system. The woman was very likely a closet alcoholic and drug user. Everything she did that day that seems inconsistent with good sense makes sense if you realize you are dealing with an alcoholic. She caused the deaths of too many people and a lot of pain for her son and husband. She chose to drink and drive, no one forced her to do this. I don't buy that blood sugar cooking and turning to alcohol story for a moment.
She caused the deaths of too many people to deserve even an ounce of sympathy IMO.
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Playing devils advocate here only because I know how a stroke can confuse someone. So flame away here but this is WHAT POSSIBLE could have happened
IF and I say IFFFFFF she was having a TIA(mini stroke) with that bottle of liquor in the car COULD HAVE been mistaken for a water bottle.
I say this why because when Keith had his TIA he had been acting fine BUT when i was telling him to do something he was messing up his left from his right. I thought he was just playing with me. he was laughing. this is common in a stroke victim a sign i wish i would have known that then.
SO if she was, she could have easily mistaken the bottle of vodka for a water bottle. drank it as if it was a water bottle. think about it when you are drinking a water bottle you drink a lot more at one time then you would a bottle of soda , alcove drinks. ect.
again , just a possibility and MAYBE what happened
flame away. i am ok with it but again it is a POSSIBILITY
I understand what you are saying BUT that is some serious reaching!
Just as the husband is reaching, saying it was everything but what it is. She was DRUNK and HIGH! She KILLED 8 people. So, I think saying anything but the obvious is reaching BIGTIME!
JMHO!
how is it reaching? have you ever known someone to have a stroke? have you ever been around someone WHILE they are? it is a VERY big possibility that is what happen.
Well Actually YES I have. Thank you. Im saying freaking medical tests have been done. The SCIENCE does not lie. the chick was drunk and HIGH with her kids in the car. she was iresponsible and now after the fact they are REACHING for anything to make her NOT look like the POS she is.
I never said she was not DRUNK, she very may well have been because she thought what was a water bottle was in fact a bottle of vodka. as for the pot i am not sure, but the husband did say they used it socially, so if there was a roach in the car she may have picked up, she may have smoked ciggies. look i am not here to argue that what happened was not right, IT WAS HORRIBLE WRONG and sad. BUT it is VERY POSSIBLE that is what happened.
With that kind of reachong one would be able to touch the sun.
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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
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I just think it is strange that the husband can get up there and say "she never drank - two drinks a year" but he never saw her. They worked totally opposite schedules and never crossed paths 5 days a week. Who knows what she is doing. He should be careful when he makes blanket statements like that.
How do you know they don't cross paths 5 days a week?
People who knew her have all said there's no way she'd purposely drink and drive with those kids in the car. She appeared perfectly fine to everyone who saw her that day, up until just a short bit before the final call was made to her brother. Something does not add up. There's a piece of the puzzle missing and Danny is trying to find it. I don't blame him, and my heart aches for him.
She didn't have a drinking problem that she hid from him or anyone else. The ME report PROVED this. Her body showed NO signs of alcohol use.
Yes, they tested for a stroke, but even the docs agree that a TIA would NOT show up on these reports. It is TRANSIENT.
Several people have said he showed no emotion. No one knows how hard it is for him to look at a picture of his 2 year old daughter. No one knows what he goes through on his personal time. Just because he puts a front on for the cameras doesn't mean he has no emotion. People handle things differently. He's made it his mission to clear her name. I think I'd do the same thing if I were in his shoes. Unfortunately, his lawyer just makes things appear worse for him because he's just trying to become the next famous lawyer.
No signs maybe of long term abuse but she did drink, plenty of people know her from her favorite bar
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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
This is such a sad situation. I really feel terrible for the little boy who has to live with this trauma. I think the husband is in denial. Its pretty much stated that this was uncharacteristic of his wife by many people but to have so much evidence in toxicology reports....she had alcohol in her stomach, blood, brain, even in her eye fluid!! Its hard enough for the husband to deal with the tragedy, but im sure all this info is making it even harder. and I do think his lawyer is an idiot
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I also feel very much for the little boy and for the family of the guys in the other car.
another theory i think may be a possiblity. since there was one mention of her going to a bar after work every now and then to complain about work stress and a miserable marriage.
maybe her husband is trying to cover/sugar coat that HE 's the reason that she wanted to kill herself. maybe he'd be completely embarassed if this were the focus of the story (reason for her drinking/drugs).
no one knows what conversations they had before she left the camp. or how she was feeling when he drove off to go fishing and she drove off with 5 children in her car. if he knew she had all these "medical issues" he could have made an effort to be the driver...
just a theory...
but Im laughing at all these possibilites, maybe she thought the bottle of vodka was water ?????? 
who would have a bottle of vodka in hands reach while driving ? for what reason? where did she get marijuana ?
just because her husband didnt know she drank  doesnt mean she didnt drink. period. end of story on that one. I just dont buy any of his or his lawyers blabbering. they both have no confidence in what they are saying. it's completely obvious.
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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
Well, I have been thinking about possible ways for her to have alcohol in her body without her drinking.
So here is my theory:
The booze was not for her. It was just in the car. As she screamed "holy $hit" as she was confused and about to kill several people including herself, the booze bottle broke in her car and accidentally go ingested as she had her mouth open.
For the pot, I guess she thought it would be just "funny" to light grass on fire. She did not know what it was. She accidentally inhaled the smoke not knowing what it was.
Let's get real!!!!!!
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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
The problem is that there are a lot of weird stories going around. My uncle goes to AA and he says that at the meetings they say that she was well know around the local bars and was quite drunk and complaining about her DH.
I also heard from someone who knows someone who knew her ( I know... I know... but, it's just what I heard), that she just found out that the husband was having an affair that weekend. I don't know if it was true.. but, it would explain a lot.
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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
Posted by sfp0701
she just found out that the husband was having an affair that weekend. I don't know if it was true.. but, it would explain a lot.
This would have come out if true I think.
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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
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I also heard from someone who knows someone who knew her ( I know... I know... but, it's just what I heard), that she just found out that the husband was having an affair that weekend. I don't know if it was true.. but, it would explain a lot.
I don't think that's any reason to drink and drive, but for some reason, I feel this might just be it. I'm so confused over it.  to these families. What a nightmare.
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she just found out that the husband was having an affair that weekend. I don't know if it was true.. but, it would explain a lot.
This would have come out if true I think.
Well... maybe.. Except the family is trying to cover something.. IMO.. It supposedly was an affair with someone close to her. I won't name a name because, honestly, it could all be BS.. But, it would make a lot of sense.
ETA: Just out of curiousity... I did some googling and it seems that I'm not the only one who heard this..... Or a whole bunch of people could be jumping to conclusions.
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she just found out that the husband was having an affair that weekend. I don't know if it was true.. but, it would explain a lot.
This would have come out if true I think.
Well... maybe.. Except the family is trying to cover something.. IMO.. It supposedly was an affair with someone close to her. I won't name a name because, honestly, it could all be BS.. But, it would make a lot of sense.
ETA: Just out of curiousity... I did some googling and it seems that I'm not the only one who heard this..... Or a whole bunch of people could be jumping to conclusions.
I agree that they are covering up something in the family. their marriage was prob a mess, she left the campground fuming. he just doesnt seem in the last bit sincere. neither does the SIL.
I had read somewhere that the lawyer said the words "maybe something happened to her brain" something a 3yr old might say.. theyre just digging themselves deeper and deeper...
i do feel bad for diane too though, if this is the case, I wonder what she was going through to get to this point.
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| Posted 9/2/09 8:20 PM |
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waterspout4
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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by janet
Posted by JennZ
Posted by janet
Posted by JennZ
Posted by janet
Playing devils advocate here only because I know how a stroke can confuse someone. So flame away here but this is WHAT POSSIBLE could have happened
IF and I say IFFFFFF she was having a TIA(mini stroke) with that bottle of liquor in the car COULD HAVE been mistaken for a water bottle.
I say this why because when Keith had his TIA he had been acting fine BUT when i was telling him to do something he was messing up his left from his right. I thought he was just playing with me. he was laughing. this is common in a stroke victim a sign i wish i would have known that then.
SO if she was, she could have easily mistaken the bottle of vodka for a water bottle. drank it as if it was a water bottle. think about it when you are drinking a water bottle you drink a lot more at one time then you would a bottle of soda , alcove drinks. ect.
again , just a possibility and MAYBE what happened
flame away. i am ok with it but again it is a POSSIBILITY
I understand what you are saying BUT that is some serious reaching!
Just as the husband is reaching, saying it was everything but what it is. She was DRUNK and HIGH! She KILLED 8 people. So, I think saying anything but the obvious is reaching BIGTIME!
JMHO!
how is it reaching? have you ever known someone to have a stroke? have you ever been around someone WHILE they are? it is a VERY big possibility that is what happen.
Well Actually YES I have. Thank you. Im saying freaking medical tests have been done. The SCIENCE does not lie. the chick was drunk and HIGH with her kids in the car. she was iresponsible and now after the fact they are REACHING for anything to make her NOT look like the POS she is.
I never said she was not DRUNK, she very may well have been because she thought what was a water bottle was in fact a bottle of vodka. as for the pot i am not sure, but the husband did say they used it socially, so if there was a roach in the car she may have picked up, she may have smoked ciggies. look i am not here to argue that what happened was not right, IT WAS HORRIBLE WRONG and sad. BUT it is VERY POSSIBLE that is what happened.
With that kind of reachong one would be able to touch the sun.
I am sure that Janet and Kryssy reach for the sun everyday to feel the warmth of Keith's touch from heaven.
Personally, I find this very harsh to say to a woman who lost her husband to TIA a few years ago. There are many things that Keith would not have done had he not suffered this type of stroke. He was a fine man and did some 'strange' things in that short time he had between the stroke and his passing.
Janet is just trying to let you all know that TIA can f^ck with your mind and everything you do. Is she saying that the woman had it? No. But don't you think if she thought Keith had it, she would've done everythig in her power to help him? She is NOT defending this woman, but merely saying how much TIA can be such a horrible life changing event.
I just think that backing off needs to happen when 'downplaying' TIA and its effects.
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| Posted 9/2/09 9:00 PM |
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janet
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Re: diane schuler's husband is on Larry King Live
Posted by waterspout4
Posted by annoyedTTCer
Posted by janet
Posted by JennZ
Posted by janet
Posted by JennZ
Posted by janet
Playing devils advocate here only because I know how a stroke can confuse someone. So flame away here but this is WHAT POSSIBLE could have happened
IF and I say IFFFFFF she was having a TIA(mini stroke) with that bottle of liquor in the car COULD HAVE been mistaken for a water bottle.
I say this why because when Keith had his TIA he had been acting fine BUT when i was telling him to do something he was messing up his left from his right. I thought he was just playing with me. he was laughing. this is common in a stroke victim a sign i wish i would have known that then.
SO if she was, she could have easily mistaken the bottle of vodka for a water bottle. drank it as if it was a water bottle. think about it when you are drinking a water bottle you drink a lot more at one time then you would a bottle of soda , alcove drinks. ect.
again , just a possibility and MAYBE what happened
flame away. i am ok with it but again it is a POSSIBILITY
I understand what you are saying BUT that is some serious reaching!
Just as the husband is reaching, saying it was everything but what it is. She was DRUNK and HIGH! She KILLED 8 people. So, I think saying anything but the obvious is reaching BIGTIME!
JMHO!
how is it reaching? have you ever known someone to have a stroke? have you ever been around someone WHILE they are? it is a VERY big possibility that is what happen.
Well Actually YES I have. Thank you. Im saying freaking medical tests have been done. The SCIENCE does not lie. the chick was drunk and HIGH with her kids in the car. she was iresponsible and now after the fact they are REACHING for anything to make her NOT look like the POS she is.
I never said she was not DRUNK, she very may well have been because she thought what was a water bottle was in fact a bottle of vodka. as for the pot i am not sure, but the husband did say they used it socially, so if there was a roach in the car she may have picked up, she may have smoked ciggies. look i am not here to argue that what happened was not right, IT WAS HORRIBLE WRONG and sad. BUT it is VERY POSSIBLE that is what happened.
With that kind of reachong one would be able to touch the sun.
I am sure that Janet and Kryssy reach for the sun everyday to feel the warmth of Keith's touch from heaven.
Personally, I find this very harsh to say to a woman who lost her husband to TIA a few years ago. There are many things that Keith would not have done had he not suffered this type of stroke. He was a fine man and did some 'strange' things in that short time he had between the stroke and his passing.
Janet is just trying to let you all know that TIA can f^ck with your mind and everything you do. Is she saying that the woman had it? No. But don't you think if she thought Keith had it, she would've done everythig in her power to help him? She is NOT defending this woman, but merely saying how much TIA can be such a horrible life changing event.
I just think that backing off needs to happen when 'downplaying' TIA and its effects.
Thanks sweetie . and yes we do everyday.
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