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BabyMakesTwo
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Everyone has a unique life situation that we may not see as obvious from the outside, thats why I would support the MYOB approach.
My children go to private school, BUT, if they went to public, it would be an interesting situation.
Both my children live 50% of the time with my husband and I, and 50% with their grandparents. The reason for this is bc both my husband and I work nights. So every night except weekends they are put to bed at their grandparents.
There are lots of grandparents now a days who claim their grandchildren as dependents, bc either one or both parents cannot be the primary caretaker for numerous reasons.
On the outside you may see someone picking them up and dropping them off at bus stop, but you don't know the whole story behind it, and who is really claiming those children come tax-time. Why take a chance at causing heartache and trouble for a family that could possibly not be doing anything wrong at all. Unless you know 100%, I would say MYOB.
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Re: What would you do if anything....
I wouldn't like it, but I would take the route of MYOB, since I don't know their particular situation... except if what they are doing affects my DC in a certain way.
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| Posted 1/7/17 10:17 PM |
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MrsA1012
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What would you do if anything....
I would definitely not say anything. None of my business and if the grandparents live in the schools town and pay taxes who is this actually harming ?
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| Posted 1/8/17 7:43 PM |
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MrsA1012
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What would you do if anything....
Also, for all the people who are outraged what would you do if couldn't afford a better school district but wanted the best for your kid ? I think many patents would take this route if the opportunity presented itself.
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| Posted 1/8/17 7:45 PM |
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cds58019
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What would you do if anything....
Because my district already has overcrowding issues, I would.
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| Posted 1/8/17 8:18 PM |
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ap123
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by MrsA1012
Also, for all the people who are outraged what would you do if couldn't afford a better school district but wanted the best for your kid ? I think many patents would take this route if the opportunity presented itself.
We all want the best for our children, but if everyone had the attitude that it's ok to break the rules we'd have every kid on LI attending the top 10 school districts. I'd buy the smallest, cheapest house in the best district before I'd ask my child to lie about where they live.
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| Posted 1/8/17 9:25 PM |
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Megs1234
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by CSK
It didn't seem like s/he's insinuating anything.
People may say, hey its a nice kid, until they push your kid on the bus, or its fine, until that kid gets chosen for X and they're taking up a spot you saw your kid in.
Basically assessing whether a kid is good or bad or anywhere in between can change by the day. its not a problem 1 minute, until well, it is.
This can translate to any of the MYOB posts that seem to go on about LI. Everyone is MYOB about everything around here. From illegal apartments, illegal house additions, cash business that cheat on their taxes, spouses who cheat on their partners, no show political jobs, down to the guy who acts like an as$ to the starbucks barista who made a mistake.
In general, I think society tends to deteriorate a little bit when people always stand around and do nothing.
From what I remember it costs somewhere between $20-25K per kid in school. Lets say there are 10 kids in your school illegally. Thats $200K. Not everything is incremental per kid, there are a lot of sunk costs. But seriously, if there is $50K of extra costs, think what that could do for the school. Anyone on the PTA? think of all the fundraising you do during the year and how much you raise and how much effort that takes...
The grandparent thing doesn't hold water for me. They sent their kids to school. Their taxes paid and are continuing to pay for that. If you think everyone who pays their taxes can rent out a spot in the school b/c they paid for it, school taxes will mirror the cost of a kids education for everyone, every year. your taxes would be $50K per year. Hey, if you know the details and don't want to report, thats just fine. For me, i think it only should fly if its a stopgap measure, short period of time thing.
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| Posted 1/8/17 10:40 PM |
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blu6385
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by haveaquestion
Posted by blu6385
Posted by Mara1017
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IMO if no one else in that house is going to school in that district whats the big deal that their grandkids use to go to school?
They have to pay taxes no matter what do why no let their grandkids go to the school?
Now if someone already is attending school in that house I would think its not right.
Either way I would MYOB though I would have better things to do then worry about who is supposed to be going to school vs who is not. My taxes go up every year me creating a big thing about one student is not changing that
Do you know how expensive one child can be for a school district. There are children who are special education children who are not educated in the District and instead attend an out of District placements. It is not unheard of for the out of district placement to cost the District well over $50,000.
Also, there are only limited places in programs or classes. The non resident child can be taking a spot away from someone who does reside in the District which is not right.
The law provides that the residency is where the children resides and not where the family thinks is the best school district and use an address of a family member if they do not have a child going to the school.
No matter how expensive it is somebody in that household is paying taxes for school and not utilizing the service so why can't a relative use it? What's the difference if they actually do live there and are using it.
Because that is not what the law says. You are entitled to a tuition free in the district you reside. If a someone has 10 grandchildren , all 10 should be entitled to use the schools even if they don't live there? You can choose not to report someone but they are doing something wrong no matter how you try to rationalize it.
we are not talking about 10 kids that's being excessive. We are talking maybe one or 2.
IMO I don't think you should pay school taxes if no one goes to school in your household. Yet I get we all have too cause if not then are schools would either be crap or we would not have public school and everyone would have to pay for their kid to go to school. Though I rather have to pay for my kid to go to school for 13 years then have to pay school taxes forever.
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| Posted 1/8/17 11:12 PM |
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MrsA1012
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by ap123
Posted by MrsA1012
Also, for all the people who are outraged what would you do if couldn't afford a better school district but wanted the best for your kid ? I think many patents would take this route if the opportunity presented itself.
We all want the best for our children, but if everyone had the attitude that it's ok to break the rules we'd have every kid on LI attending the top 10 school districts. I'd buy the smallest, cheapest house in the best district before I'd ask my child to lie about where they live.
. I wouldn't do it either , but I'm lucky enough to live in a very good district.Not everyone is in my shoes. I can certainly understand why a parent would do it if the opportunity presented itself and I don't think it makes that parent unethical. To be honest , at least where i am ( not Long Island ) is is extremely hard to go to a different district as you need to present multiple proofs of residence. So, I bet is is not common.
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| Posted 1/8/17 11:33 PM |
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LuckyStar
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by CSK
This can translate to any of the MYOB posts that seem to go on about LI. Everyone is MYOB about everything around here. From illegal apartments, illegal house additions, cash business that cheat on their taxes, spouses who cheat on their partners, no show political jobs, down to the guy who acts like an as$ to the starbucks barista who made a mistake.
In general, I think society tends to deteriorate a little bit when people always stand around and do nothing.
If people minded their own business, this thread wouldn't exist. No one on LI is minding their own business. If they did, no one would be enjoying LI's favorite pastime, keeping up with the joneses.
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| Posted 1/8/17 11:35 PM |
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ElizaRags35
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What would you do if anything....
I'd mind my own business.
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TheDivineMrsM
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Re: What would you do if anything....
So here's the thing...Education is expensive! If your child has an IEP / 504, it's more. I empathize with the mom that wants the best for her child, but frankly, I'm not ok with footing the bill for it. And the fact that the grandparents live in district is irrelevant. The parent is still lying about HER residence. I'd make an anonymous call to the district. Sorry not sorry. Rules exist for a reason and we all need to play by them.
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lululu
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Re: What would you do if anything....
It's interesting reading all the responses on here but when you really think about it, it's so IRONIC! The motivation for parents to do this is so that their child gets a better education, yet what they are really teaching them is that it's okay to lie and steal. I would personally rather have my child attend a district with lower ratings than have him believe that scamming the system is okay. This is why so many people become self entitled. Because they learn it from their parents and no one steps in and stops it.
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| Posted 1/9/17 9:48 AM |
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Mill188
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by lululu
It's interesting reading all the responses on here but when you really think about it, it's so IRONIC! The motivation for parents to do this is so that their child gets a better education, yet what they are really teaching them is that it's okay to lie and steal. I would personally rather have my child attend a district with lower ratings than have him believe that scamming the system is okay. This is why so many people become self entitled. Because they learn it from their parents and no one steps in and stops it.
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jlm2008
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by lululu
It's interesting reading all the responses on here but when you really think about it, it's so IRONIC! The motivation for parents to do this is so that their child gets a better education, yet what they are really teaching them is that it's okay to lie and steal. I would personally rather have my child attend a district with lower ratings than have him believe that scamming the system is okay. This is why so many people become self entitled. Because they learn it from their parents and no one steps in and stops it.
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| Posted 1/9/17 11:24 AM |
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Mara1017
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by blu6385
Posted by haveaquestion
Posted by blu6385
Posted by Mara1017
Posted by blu6385
IMO if no one else in that house is going to school in that district whats the big deal that their grandkids use to go to school?
They have to pay taxes no matter what do why no let their grandkids go to the school?
Now if someone already is attending school in that house I would think its not right.
Either way I would MYOB though I would have better things to do then worry about who is supposed to be going to school vs who is not. My taxes go up every year me creating a big thing about one student is not changing that
Do you know how expensive one child can be for a school district. There are children who are special education children who are not educated in the District and instead attend an out of District placements. It is not unheard of for the out of district placement to cost the District well over $50,000.
Also, there are only limited places in programs or classes. The non resident child can be taking a spot away from someone who does reside in the District which is not right.
The law provides that the residency is where the children resides and not where the family thinks is the best school district and use an address of a family member if they do not have a child going to the school.
No matter how expensive it is somebody in that household is paying taxes for school and not utilizing the service so why can't a relative use it? What's the difference if they actually do live there and are using it.
Because that is not what the law says. You are entitled to a tuition free in the district you reside. If a someone has 10 grandchildren , all 10 should be entitled to use the schools even if they don't live there? You can choose not to report someone but they are doing something wrong no matter how you try to rationalize it.
we are not talking about 10 kids that's being excessive. We are talking maybe one or 2.
IMO I don't think you should pay school taxes if no one goes to school in your household. Yet I get we all have too cause if not then are schools would either be crap or we would not have public school and everyone would have to pay for their kid to go to school. Though I rather have to pay for my kid to go to school for 13 years then have to pay school taxes forever.
That is the thing you are not talking about 1 or 2 children that are not residents but going to the school. There are ALOT more than that.
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Mara1017
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by ap123
Posted by MrsA1012
Also, for all the people who are outraged what would you do if couldn't afford a better school district but wanted the best for your kid ? I think many patents would take this route if the opportunity presented itself.
We all want the best for our children, but if everyone had the attitude that it's ok to break the rules we'd have every kid on LI attending the top 10 school districts. I'd buy the smallest, cheapest house in the best district before I'd ask my child to lie about where they live.
. I wouldn't do it either , but I'm lucky enough to live in a very good district.Not everyone is in my shoes. I can certainly understand why a parent would do it if the opportunity presented itself and I don't think it makes that parent unethical. To be honest , at least where i am ( not Long Island ) is is extremely hard to go to a different district as you need to present multiple proofs of residence. So, I bet is is not common.
In Long Island you have to provide a lot of proof also. It is not difficult to do since there is a family member living there and all that has to be done is say that the family is living at the house.
Unfortunately it is a problem in all districts
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Mara1017
LIF Adolescent
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by lululu
It's interesting reading all the responses on here but when you really think about it, it's so IRONIC! The motivation for parents to do this is so that their child gets a better education, yet what they are really teaching them is that it's okay to lie and steal. I would personally rather have my child attend a district with lower ratings than have him believe that scamming the system is okay. This is why so many people become self entitled. Because they learn it from their parents and no one steps in and stops it.
100% The entitlement attitude on Long Island is out of control.
I 100% agree that I would do everything I could for my child but lying and cheating the system is not one of them (because as much as you justify the grandparents are paying school taxes, that is not correct and you are lying!)
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Re: What would you do if anything....
I think part of the problem is the incredible emphasis placed on district "ratings" and perceived desirability of a district instead of a holistic, real study of the schools. Some do not even give their district a chance before frantically scouting out other options even when their neighborhood schools are fine. "Good" is subjective in many ways and is more than just ratings or perception.
Perhaps if we changed the language we used, language that superficially alienates some districts, we could start to resolve some of the catalysts for this issue.
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What would you do if anything....
This topic came up today in conversation actually
If you know someone is doing this… Can you get in trouble if you know but never said anything?
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mrsrainbow
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by oldtimerocknroll
I think part of the problem is the incredible emphasis placed on district "ratings" and perceived desirability of a district instead of a holistic, real study of the schools. Some do not even give their district a chance before frantically scouting out other options even when their neighborhood schools are fine. "Good" is subjective in many ways and is more than just ratings or perception.
Perhaps if we changed the language we used, language that superficially alienates some districts, we could start to resolve some of the catalysts for this issue.
People are obssessed with "good" and "bad" districts. It's all relative - the so called "good districts" have just as many problems as "bad" districts, the just hide them better.
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I used to think this and see the sentiment but I'm going to disagree a little. This is actually one thing I changed my mind on actually until experiencing it.
The really top notch districts do have a difference. More opportunities (after school clubs starting young, more sports opportunities, better funded programs, etc). I had moved a couple times and saw a huge difference, even with admin staff and teachers involvement. I was never in a "bad" district but a good one, an average one and a stellar one.
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jamnmore
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by blu6385
Posted by haveaquestion
Posted by blu6385
Posted by Mara1017
Posted by blu6385
IMO if no one else in that house is going to school in that district whats the big deal that their grandkids use to go to school?
They have to pay taxes no matter what do why no let their grandkids go to the school?
Now if someone already is attending school in that house I would think its not right.
Either way I would MYOB though I would have better things to do then worry about who is supposed to be going to school vs who is not. My taxes go up every year me creating a big thing about one student is not changing that
Do you know how expensive one child can be for a school district. There are children who are special education children who are not educated in the District and instead attend an out of District placements. It is not unheard of for the out of district placement to cost the District well over $50,000.
Also, there are only limited places in programs or classes. The non resident child can be taking a spot away from someone who does reside in the District which is not right.
The law provides that the residency is where the children resides and not where the family thinks is the best school district and use an address of a family member if they do not have a child going to the school.
No matter how expensive it is somebody in that household is paying taxes for school and not utilizing the service so why can't a relative use it? What's the difference if they actually do live there and are using it.
Because that is not what the law says. You are entitled to a tuition free in the district you reside. If a someone has 10 grandchildren , all 10 should be entitled to use the schools even if they don't live there? You can choose not to report someone but they are doing something wrong no matter how you try to rationalize it.
we are not talking about 10 kids that's being excessive. We are talking maybe one or 2.
IMO I don't think you should pay school taxes if no one goes to school in your household. Yet I get we all have too cause if not then are schools would either be crap or we would not have public school and everyone would have to pay for their kid to go to school. Though I rather have to pay for my kid to go to school for 13 years then have to pay school taxes forever.
But that's just it. The cost of education is spread out among all the homes in the district, regardless of how many students are in the home. A family of 7 kids pays the same amount as a family with no children or only 1 child. That is why property tax is forever. It sucks but that is the way it is.
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PhyllisNJoe
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Re: What would you do if anything....
I really think it all balances out in the end. My block alone there are 3 families, including us, that do not have children. Never did. So all 3 of these homes have been paying school tax for children we don't have. If 3 kids from another district use their grandparents, aunts, whoever adress to go to our schools, it would balance out in the end. $$$ wise at least.
If it's an issue of severe overcrowding in the classroom, then that's a different story.
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Posted by PhyllisNJoe
I really think it all balances out in the end. My block alone there are 3 families, including us, that do not have children. Never did. So all 3 of these homes have been paying school tax for children we don't have. If 3 kids from another district use their grandparents, aunts, whoever adress to go to our schools, it would balance out in the end. $$$ wise at least.
If it's an issue of severe overcrowding in the classroom, then that's a different story.
It doesn't balance out. If the three homes without kids now each had one kid everyone's taxes would go up to pay the 60k it costs to educate those three kids. Taxes are based on school enrollment, not on the assumption there is one kid in every house. I don't mind if my taxes go up to pay for kids who live in the district but I don't want to pay for people who don't like their district.
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