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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by Palebride
That's totally not what you said the first time.
I would have quoted it all, but, honestly, I was so put off by what you wrote that I didn't want to repeat it.
Thats fine - sometimes when I post something, it's already clear in my head what I mean, but it doesn't all get expressed.
Look, I don't know what it's like to have my husband be gone for an overnight shift in a bad neighborhood, but I know what it's like not to see him for a year if he is overseas in a war zone.
I don't get mad at cops for having great benefits, or teachers, etc. We are all people. The system is what is messed up, and how many policy makers are actually in touch with the duties that they are dictating for?
We ALL need to stick together, no matter what the job. No one has a cape. No one is superman or superwoman. We're all people at the end of the day and we need to realize that we are all on the same side.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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I just find all the glorifying that goes on unsettling.
I find your trivializing people risking their life for you unsettling.
A doctor that can save a life = hero
My brother who risked his life in Iraq for your freedom = hero
Cops/Firemen who go into work every day knowing they might not come home = hero
Teachers who shape the minds of our future = hero
There ARE certain jobs that are different than others. How dare you take that away from people.
Lori = my hero 
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| Posted 2/18/11 9:30 PM |
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
I am not a cop in the city, but I do teach in a neighborhood that most will never see in their life or understand. It is a cultural change when you go into some of those areas in the city. I can't think of a neighborhood in Nassau or Suffolk that I could compare it too.
The kids and adults hate the cops. It is run by gangs. My kids tell me about the rape that happened or the gun shots that they heard the night before. Guns don't make a bang bang sound. It makes a pop pop sound. I learned that from my fourth grader three years ago.
Just think, that somebodies husband, wife, son or daughter is a cop in this area. Where they are being threatened everyday to try to keep some kind of order in these areas. I have nothing but the most respect for these men and women that work in these areas and that risk their lives. If it is hero worship. Then I am guilty. But I think that people who risk their lives everyday should get compensated for it.
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| Posted 2/18/11 9:46 PM |
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
My BFF is in the NYPD. That girl works for her money. She works in a really bad area in Queens, her shifts are all over the place - sometimes 3 in a row. It's like impossible to have a normal life.
It's so hard to explain to people who don't live that life, and it's hard for people to understand. It's not like any other job and I don't think you know that going in.
Her and her DH (also NYPD) are both very upset about the proposed cuts. Bloomberg is trying to take a lot, it's sad.
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| Posted 2/18/11 10:07 PM |
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
I think all professions are worthy of making as much money and as much in benefits as they can. That being said, I don't think any profession is above another when it comes to cutbacks. It is the same thing I said on the other thread about the tax cap, all people are suffering and cutbacks are necessary. This does not take away from what cops, teachers, or firefighters do.
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| Posted 2/18/11 10:16 PM |
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by IrishLass
Pension, that they would've received had the officer lived, pension they paid into their entire career.
This is absolutely what the families SHOULD get: anything they would have gotten had the officer lived. Anything less is slap in the face.
Then again, I might be biased, as my profession is a frequent target of scrutiny when it comes to pay and benefits.
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| Posted 2/18/11 10:18 PM |
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by ttcc
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Currently if they get killed in the line of duty families get lifetime benefits, lifetime salary and kids will get to a state school for free.
I had no idea that was the benefit that their families got. Honestly, I think it's excessive.
______________________________'I agree 100%- very excessive
Dont you think the family of a private industry employee killed in the line of duty would sue the company for more than the what this would all cost?
actually they can't. Two Words. Workers Comp. Altho you could sue under the Employers Liability or a third party over action against the negligence etc.
Most jobs though wouldn't be putting your life at risk like a PD or FD. Its really not apples to apples.
Pension - pro
Benefits - pro
School - I'm not so sure, but hey its a benefit, right? Something to get you do put on that badge.
but really in the golden ages of time gone past even privately run companies used to give pensions and benefits to spouses. Remember there was a time spouses didn't work at all.
I don't get a pension if my hubby dies and he's put 14yrs into the same company. Instead I get his life insurance. My daughter will get no free school in any state.
I'm just a minority survivor of 9/11 and we mean even less. I got NOTHING. No victims compensation fund, never allowed back on that hallowed ground.
What would I give up benefit-wise to save one fireman who saved my life that day? Wow, I don't even think I could calculate. I remember him though. In my mind I see his face, what he was wearing and hear his voice. I'll tell you I wish I could give his wife/family those few seconds of time he spent with me. That I'd be willing to give up.
At the end of the day.. Dead is dead. What I learned from being injured is all the money in the world won't take away the pain of waking up in the middle of the night in terror (or for a spouse, alone).
Everyone's cutting corners, no body likes it. No one will win.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Actually any job has it's chance of being injured, killed etc. A bank teller, cashier, store clerk etc. I know NYPD and FD take thier jobs knowing the dangers of it,and put their lives on the line to protect us. But what about that store clerk, does their family get any compensation, our Armed Forces are the worst treated people I know, they have to fight for treatment after coming home from war zones and some never ever are the person they were before the war zone. Their families do not get just get compensation, if they are alive they fight for it and usually never get what they should. They also can lose anytime the VA decides according to them you are healed. My husband was a Viet Nam Vet I live the nightmares of his illness from that era, every day. We are not compensated with a 50% pension or free college. So yes I fully recognize NYPD and FD but lets realize their are others that do not get that payment, and give just as much as the next guy if they are shot, knifed, beat etc. Everyone will have a opinion and that is what makes this sight so wonderful, to see others views and maybe someone that did not understand, will and others will still be true to their beliefs. Everyone should be entitled to their opinions and not criticized for it. JMO
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
I do not think that any line of duty death benefits are too excessive for those that put their lives at risk on a daily basis to protect others.
I feel that it would be irresponsible for these men and women to put themselves in certain situations not knowing that their families would be taken care of in the event that things went terribly wrong. 
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: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by IrishLass
If it is my post that you are referring to as "glorifying"..that is not what I was thinking when I wrote it. I was trying to point out to the poster who thought she said she "understood" the sacrifices made that she really does not.
I'm not glorifying my DH's job, it's the life we lead, but don't tell me you understand when you don't live it. Just like I don't understand the life of a doctor, of the doctors wife, I don't understand the life of a lawyer, I'm not a lawyer's wife, I don't understand the life of a mechanic, plumber, electrician or anyone else, becuase I'm not them and I'm not their wives.
And the bleeding - well, no, it's not the same. It is very difficult to explain..when you are part of something where your family is at risk everyday, even though you know it and you signed up for it anyway, you have a feeling of closeness of family, even with other family members you don't know, because you all share in the same thing. Even in a subconscious way you cling to each other. So when I said we all bleed blue, I mean we bleed for each other, if one of us is cut, we all share the pain of what the other is going through. That is what I meant.
It is a feeling that is hard to explain, I've lived it my whole life, I can't explain it, but it's different than any other job, than being in an office, being in retail, even flipping burgers at Burger King.
I said No I don't get what life is like to be married to a police officer? I do understand the risks - death, permanently disabled, etc. I do understand that the salary sucks. But no I don't get the fear you have each time your husband goes to work. But it is a profession they chose. My husband chose a profession where he is three times as likely to die on his job over a police officer (Source: the Bureau of Labor Statistics website).
I'm simply stating that LIFETIME benefits, LIFETIME salary, plus free college is excessive in my opinion. You can agree or disagree.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Lifetime benefits are excessive. Period. That's my opinion. Military risk their lives and get limited benefits. So why should cops.We all know what we signed up for. JMO.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by nrthshgrl
I'm simply stating that LIFETIME benefits, LIFETIME salary, plus free college is excessive in my opinion. You can agree or disagree.
I completely agree.
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| Posted 2/19/11 2:08 AM |
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by sometimesmommy
Lifetime benefits are excessive. Period. That's my opinion. Military risk their lives and get limited benefits. So why should cops.We all know what we signed up for. JMO.
Yep. Right with you! ITA!
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Posted by sometimesmommy
Lifetime benefits are excessive. Period. That's my opinion. Military risk their lives and get limited benefits. So why should cops.We all know what we signed up for. JMO.
I totally agree and we shouldn't have to feel defensive for stating unpopular opinions on here. Cops get a lot of other perks other than better benefits for the crap some of them have to put up with (and I say some because most of the cops I've had the displeasure of knowing were spoiled rotten suffolk or upstate cops that do nothing but eat donuts all day). Cops are aware of being killed in the line of duty, it comes with the territory.
I'd be curious to see whether lifetime benefits are given to cops in other states.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
For one you cannot compare compare being a cop in NYC with anywhere in the US. I will be working July 4, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years Eve-not patrol but standing on a foot post sometimes in bad areas not knowing if I am going home. NYC has so much going on there is never a break
On Friday I might get a notification that I am working this weekend but who is going to watch my son? I dont care show up!
It is now Monday wanting to go home but can't because they are holding us because something might happen.
My SIL is a teacher she is going home but her husband is a cop he is not.
It is now 641 am and my husband is still at work even though he was off at 2 am.
Being a cop is the only job besides fd and military that you might be killed working. I am not saying we deserve a lot of money but I do think my pension should go to my son so he has some kind of life if I should be killed.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Anything extra the families get is from the widows and orphans funds. The family of slain NYPD only get their pension and life insurance policy thats it.
Both my parents died when I was little and I got SS, life insurance and medical insurance basically the same my son would get from my job.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Someone should take Bloombergs pension away!
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by hanna7636
Being a cop is the only job besides fd and military that you might be killed working. I am not saying we deserve a lot of money but I do think my pension should go to my son so he has some kind of life if I should be killed.
Seriously?? How about miners, construction workers, fishermen, pilots, truck drivers...if you look up the most dangerous jobs I'm certain cops and fireman are not the top 2. Don't get mad that people trivialize your job and then trivialize others.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by Katareen
Posted by hanna7636
Being a cop is the only job besides fd and military that you might be killed working. I am not saying we deserve a lot of money but I do think my pension should go to my son so he has some kind of life if I should be killed.
Seriously?? How about miners, construction workers, fishermen, pilots, truck drivers...if you look up the most dangerous jobs I'm certain cops and fireman are not the top 2. Don't get mad that people trivialize your job and then trivialize others.
Yeah, I was going to say something similar, although probably not those specific professions that you listed. I'm pretty sure, for example, unless you mean fighter pilots in the military that pilot is a pretty low-risk job.
Regardless, though, I think that cops and firemen (and teachers, for that matter) deserve all the benefits they have now and probably more.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by emilylives
Yeah, I was going to say something similar, although probably not those specific professions that you listed. I'm pretty sure, for example, unless you mean fighter pilots in the military that pilot is a pretty low-risk job.
Not commercial airlines--small aircaft piloting (private jets, air taxis, etc) is very dangerous.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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Posted by emilylives
Yeah, I was going to say something similar, although probably not those specific professions that you listed. I'm pretty sure, for example, unless you mean fighter pilots in the military that pilot is a pretty low-risk job.
Not commercial airlines--small aircaft piloting (private jets, air taxis, etc) is very dangerous.
not if you know what you're doing
the statistics of dying in a plane are excessively low
my dad's a pilot for the nypd..prior to that for the coast guard
i think the solution to this is that all cops/fd/teachers quit their jobs and leave the rest of the population to figure it out
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
For those that think that the cops knew what they were getting into or that the families know of the life, your ignorance of "knowing" astounds me. You have no idea how heartless and cruel it sounds.
Does "knowing" - in the cerebral sense, help you deal with or prepare for actually living and the emotional part? And I mean for anything - not just this. Just becuase you know something doesn't mean it's not difficult.
How much do we really think we know but living is so much more difficult?
1. You get PG and know you are having a miscarriage. Does knowing it's going to happen make it any easier.
2. You have to put your DC in daycare - at 8 weeks or 12 weeks and go back to work. You know it's going to be difficult, but how many posts do I see about how it's so much harder than they thought, the guilt about leaving them. In you head you knew it would be hard, actually having to live it everyday, was harder than you thought. Should I go on the parenting board and write "well you knew when you got pregnant you would have to put your child in daycare so I don't know what you're complaining about?". OMG, I would be set on fire. More to the point, I don't feel that way, because, even though I don't have children and no, I don't know what it feels like, I have empathy and compassion.
3. How many posts on the relationship board from people who are divorced or separate say it's so much harder than they thought? Should I be cruel and say "well, you knew what you were getting into?".
Knowing anything doesn't make you prepared, seeing it and for the living of it.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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No the families should receive some benefits but I find lifetime salary, lifetime benefits ( is that health insurance? retirement?) & schooling for free excessive.
I understand the risks taken, I understand the pay isn't like what a teacher is making (although my old boyfriend is doing pretty d@mn well & is ready to retire) & no I don't get what it's like to be married to a police officer. I'd like to know what that costs the State.
Fortunately not too many city cops get killed these days so it's not costing taxpayers too much 
The lifetime benefits is because most people dont have a job that can kill them. Most people dont put on a bullet proof vest to go to work. Most people dont run into burning buildings. Most people didnt dig through the rubble at 911 or run into the towers to rescue people.
Than again, in this $hitty society, we are not even taking care of the 1st responders from 9-11, let alone the military that come home from war injured and flucked up.
Well said! 
I am disgusted by some of the comments on here!!!! My DH has to risk his life just be doing a carstop! Yes he chose this profession but he is damn good at it!!!! I am very proud of him and he takes pride in helping the citizens of NYC!
He is never home on holidays and has to go in on his days off.
The variable supplement is technically the police officers money so Bloomberg is actually stealing. The man is a disgrace. why doens't he sell one if his homes to help pay for the budget?
I would like to see if one of your husband's were a police officer how you would feel? A loss of a life, money cannot replace. But for all the crap my DH sees and does he deserves a little compensation.
I still can't get over the word excessive!!! you should really be ashamed of yourself!
many many prayers go out to all police and firefighter families on here!!!!!
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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Posted by emilylives
Yeah, I was going to say something similar, although probably not those specific professions that you listed. I'm pretty sure, for example, unless you mean fighter pilots in the military that pilot is a pretty low-risk job.
Not commercial airlines--small aircaft piloting (private jets, air taxis, etc) is very dangerous.
not if you know what you're doing
the statistics of dying in a plane are excessively low
my dad's a pilot for the nypd..prior to that for the coast guard
i think the solution to this is that all cops/fd/teachers quit their jobs and leave the rest of the population to figure it out
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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Someone should take Bloombergs pension away!
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