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Re: Masking and children
Posted by ChilisWife
I won’t quote because it’s too long but it’s getting tiresome hearing how unless we comply with everything (including things that do not work) then we will be in this cycle of restrictions and quarantines forever. No. It is the exact opposite. This will never ever end unless and until we the people end it. People seem to forget that before 2019, people got sick. Yes. Yes they did. And yet somehow the last 18 months have made people truly convinced that nobody can ever be sick ever again and by golly if that means ruining children’s lives then so be it.
and the ONLY illness you can get is covid. Once again, I wish they would check these covid tests to see if the common virus (coronavirus) is detected as that would answer a lot of questions.
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by ChilisWife
I won’t quote because it’s too long but it’s getting tiresome hearing how unless we comply with everything (including things that do not work) then we will be in this cycle of restrictions and quarantines forever. No. It is the exact opposite. This will never ever end unless and until we the people end it. People seem to forget that before 2019, people got sick. Yes. Yes they did. And yet somehow the last 18 months have made people truly convinced that nobody can ever be sick ever again and by golly if that means ruining children’s lives then so be it.
Exactly. It's getting out of control.
Guess what? This ISN'T going to end. Ever.
You can mask your cat, your dog and your goldfish and Covid will never end. There will be variant after variant for the rest of eternity. Just like ever other virus from the beginning of time.
Even the vaccine won't end it.
So this is how life will be forever if you use that logic.
But if it makes you feel better and like you are saving the world, mask your baby. Sleep in your mask. Drive in it.
See if it helps.
Message edited 9/21/2021 1:55:56 PM.
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by ChilisWife
I won’t quote because it’s too long but it’s getting tiresome hearing how unless we comply with everything (including things that do not work) then we will be in this cycle of restrictions and quarantines forever. No. It is the exact opposite. This will never ever end unless and until we the people end it. People seem to forget that before 2019, people got sick. Yes. Yes they did. And yet somehow the last 18 months have made people truly convinced that nobody can ever be sick ever again and by golly if that means ruining children’s lives then so be it.
Exactly. It's getting out of control.
Guess what? This ISN'T going to end. Ever.
You can mask your cat, your dog and your goldfish and Covid will never end. There will be variant after variant for the rest of eternity. Just like ever other virus from the beginning of time.
Even the vaccine won't end it.
So this is how life will be forever if you use that logic.
And vaccines will end and people who pushed them are not willing to get a booster. Then what?
How about teaching everyone how to stay healthy, as much as you can as many have underlying issues that make them sicker faster and harder and they have to be more careful.
Life has to go on. Viruses and illnesses will never end.
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Re: Masking and children
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Posted by MrsS2005
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Posted by MrsS2005
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Posted by AliceCullen
Posted by MrsS2005
My youngest has been wearing a mask at daycare since she turned 3 due to the requirements in my state. They don’t wear them while eating or sleeping and within the past several months, we could give written permission for the kids to not have to wear them outside.
It has been over a year with wearing masks. I wasn’t thrilled about it at first, but most kids seem to adapt really easily. There was a transitional period as well to get the kids used to it. I think it also helped for them to see everyone else in masks. At the beginning, it was difficult to get her to keep it on even if we went places where masks were required. Once she got used to the mask, she began putting it on without any issue. She doesn’t complain about wearing it.
Unfortunately, we have had positive cases at daycare throughout the pandemic. I’m unaware of any transmission between kids at daycare though. After going months without a positive case, we have had a few in the last month in different age groups. My child is currently home due to being in direct contact with someone who tested positive at daycare. All of my kids have been in quarantine at some point due to exposure, but I was most nervous about this one because kids that young seem most likely to not wear their masks correctly. She’s past the quarantine period and has had a negative test and we’re just waiting for her daycare room to reopen. I don’t know if kids this young just have a lower viral load and are less likely to spread the virus, if the masks actually worked or it’s a combination of the two. Regardless, this past year, the masks have certainly cut down on all of the colds/viruses that usually go around.
I'm actually worried my 3 year old is going to get sick more often now that she'll be dropping her mask on the floor and putting it back on her face. And the teachers will constantly be touching her face to put her mask on. There will be a lot more touching of her face now.
It's so gross. They'll be sneezing into the masks and then wearing them like that all day, drooling in them (the little ones), touching them, swapping them with friends, having them all over the floor.
It's unsanitary and totally gross and someone who is aware of SCIENCE and perhaps a medical professional should step in and tell this assh0le governor of ours just how dangerous this is.
Speaking from my experience only, we are asked to have at least 1 extra mask in their backpack or cubby and there are always disposable masks on hand. There are certainly times when the masks can get gross, but the dirty ones are put in a bag and changed out.
DD hasn’t come home with a mask that isn’t hers and I’ve never seen her in someone else’s mask. Masked or not, toddlers, preschoolers, etc. can often be unsanitary and gross. They can wipe their noses on their hands and then touch common surfaces or toys, not wash their hands thoroughly, not cover their nose and/or mouth when they sneeze/cough, put things in their mouth that were on the floor, etc.
I understand the concerns and I wish we could be done with masks for good. However, since they’ll continue to be around for a while, I do think many young kids are more adaptable than older kids and adults.
Great. Fine. Fantastic. But all of this ignores statistics and “the science” that covid poses almost NO risk to children!
They only trust the science when it's convenient to them...disgusting.
That could certainly be said on both sides. People throw around stats, studies, stories, etc. that support their argument.
As far as COVID not posing much of a risk to children, that’s not the only consideration in enacting mask mandates. It’s certainly not perfect, but masks can protect others and reduce transmission. While children are likely to have mild cases and recover quickly, they may pass it to a classmate and then pass it to others who are at greater risk. With the contagiousness of the Delta variant, the increase in positive cases in children along with other groups has gone up dramatically over the past few months. Masks at least provide some protection to others.
The vaccine should be doing that for those at greater risk.
That's the point of it I thought.
You shouldn't have to mask a 2 year old to protect a higher risk adult when ca vaccines are widely available.
That argument held water prior to the development of the vaccine.
Right, but the same people complaining about the masks on two year olds are almost always the same people who rail against the vaccine.
This is the part that makes zero sense to me.
There are 676k Americans dead but some people just want to... let death run rampant?
I don't think people understand the significance of that number. It's more US casualties than from WW1, WW2, and Vietnam. COMBINED.
It's cruelty and insanity at this point.
Rail against one friggin part of this, fine, but the "just let it infect everyone because I am going to push back on everything the government tries to do" is bonkers.
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by JennP
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by AliceCullen
Posted by MrsS2005
My youngest has been wearing a mask at daycare since she turned 3 due to the requirements in my state. They don’t wear them while eating or sleeping and within the past several months, we could give written permission for the kids to not have to wear them outside.
It has been over a year with wearing masks. I wasn’t thrilled about it at first, but most kids seem to adapt really easily. There was a transitional period as well to get the kids used to it. I think it also helped for them to see everyone else in masks. At the beginning, it was difficult to get her to keep it on even if we went places where masks were required. Once she got used to the mask, she began putting it on without any issue. She doesn’t complain about wearing it.
Unfortunately, we have had positive cases at daycare throughout the pandemic. I’m unaware of any transmission between kids at daycare though. After going months without a positive case, we have had a few in the last month in different age groups. My child is currently home due to being in direct contact with someone who tested positive at daycare. All of my kids have been in quarantine at some point due to exposure, but I was most nervous about this one because kids that young seem most likely to not wear their masks correctly. She’s past the quarantine period and has had a negative test and we’re just waiting for her daycare room to reopen. I don’t know if kids this young just have a lower viral load and are less likely to spread the virus, if the masks actually worked or it’s a combination of the two. Regardless, this past year, the masks have certainly cut down on all of the colds/viruses that usually go around.
I'm actually worried my 3 year old is going to get sick more often now that she'll be dropping her mask on the floor and putting it back on her face. And the teachers will constantly be touching her face to put her mask on. There will be a lot more touching of her face now.
It's so gross. They'll be sneezing into the masks and then wearing them like that all day, drooling in them (the little ones), touching them, swapping them with friends, having them all over the floor.
It's unsanitary and totally gross and someone who is aware of SCIENCE and perhaps a medical professional should step in and tell this assh0le governor of ours just how dangerous this is.
Speaking from my experience only, we are asked to have at least 1 extra mask in their backpack or cubby and there are always disposable masks on hand. There are certainly times when the masks can get gross, but the dirty ones are put in a bag and changed out.
DD hasn’t come home with a mask that isn’t hers and I’ve never seen her in someone else’s mask. Masked or not, toddlers, preschoolers, etc. can often be unsanitary and gross. They can wipe their noses on their hands and then touch common surfaces or toys, not wash their hands thoroughly, not cover their nose and/or mouth when they sneeze/cough, put things in their mouth that were on the floor, etc.
I understand the concerns and I wish we could be done with masks for good. However, since they’ll continue to be around for a while, I do think many young kids are more adaptable than older kids and adults.
Great. Fine. Fantastic. But all of this ignores statistics and “the science” that covid poses almost NO risk to children!
They only trust the science when it's convenient to them...disgusting.
That could certainly be said on both sides. People throw around stats, studies, stories, etc. that support their argument.
As far as COVID not posing much of a risk to children, that’s not the only consideration in enacting mask mandates. It’s certainly not perfect, but masks can protect others and reduce transmission. While children are likely to have mild cases and recover quickly, they may pass it to a classmate and then pass it to others who are at greater risk. With the contagiousness of the Delta variant, the increase in positive cases in children along with other groups has gone up dramatically over the past few months. Masks at least provide some protection to others.
The vaccine should be doing that for those at greater risk.
That's the point of it I thought.
You shouldn't have to mask a 2 year old to protect a higher risk adult when ca vaccines are widely available.
That argument held water prior to the development of the vaccine.
Right, but the same people complaining about the masks on two year olds are almost always the same people who rail against the vaccine.
This is the part that makes zero sense to me.
There are 676k Americans dead but some people just want to... let death run rampant?
I don't think people understand the significance of that number. It's more US casualties than from WW1, WW2, and Vietnam. COMBINED.
It's cruelty and insanity at this point.
Rail against one friggin part of this, fine, but the "just let it infect everyone because I am going to push back on everything the government tries to do" is bonkers.
Just stop.
I am the first to say that the ones at risk should be vaccinated.
And stop with the nonsense about rallying against the government. Me not wanting this vaccine has nothing to do with the government. That just sounds ignorant to keep beating that drum.
And if I don't want to be vaccinated, it should be on ME. ME. If I get sick and die, oh well right?
It shouldn't be your concern and it CERTAINLY shouldn't be on a 2 year old to protect me.
There's something called free will.
Now that the vaccine is widely available I'm sick of the whole- well YOU have to protect ME.
No.
Go protect yourself, you have a good option for that now, and leave me alone.
Sorry but it's been almost 2 years now and I'm getting sick and tired of the nonsense with no end game.
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by JennP
Right, but the same people complaining about the masks on two year olds are almost always the same people who rail against the vaccine.
This is the part that makes zero sense to me.
There are 676k Americans dead but some people just want to... let death run rampant?
I don't think people understand the significance of that number. It's more US casualties than from WW1, WW2, and Vietnam. COMBINED.
It's cruelty and insanity at this point.
Rail against one friggin part of this, fine, but the "just let it infect everyone because I am going to push back on everything the government tries to do" is bonkers.
I don't really agree. I know a lot of people that are pro vaccine but are anti mask FOR CHILDREN. Personally I would rather see every adult masked in public and see the children not have to wear masks. This is probably one of the first times in the history of the US that children are being asked to make sacrifices to protect weak or elderly adults. Frankly, it's somewhat unnatural. Personally, I don't see masks as a huge deal but for young children it's a little ridiculous. It's very easy to categorize anyone that is anti mask or anti vaccine as fitting a certain narrative (right wing, hillbilly republicans) but frankly that is not the case. There is a wide breadth of people who have these views for a wide variety of reasons.
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by lululu
Posted by JennP
Right, but the same people complaining about the masks on two year olds are almost always the same people who rail against the vaccine.
This is the part that makes zero sense to me.
There are 676k Americans dead but some people just want to... let death run rampant?
I don't think people understand the significance of that number. It's more US casualties than from WW1, WW2, and Vietnam. COMBINED.
It's cruelty and insanity at this point.
Rail against one friggin part of this, fine, but the "just let it infect everyone because I am going to push back on everything the government tries to do" is bonkers.
I don't really agree. I know a lot of people that are pro vaccine but are anti mask FOR CHILDREN. Personally I would rather see every adult masked in public and see the children not have to wear masks. This is probably one of the first times in the history of the US that children are being asked to make sacrifices to protect weak or elderly adults. Frankly, it's somewhat unnatural. Personally, I don't see masks as a huge deal but for young children it's a little ridiculous. It's very easy to categorize anyone that is anti mask or anti vaccine as fitting a certain narrative (right wing, hillbilly republicans) but frankly that is not the case. There is a wide breadth of people who have these views for a wide variety of reasons.
Exactly And quite frankly it's annoying and stereotypical to paint everyone with such a broad brush.
I'm not anti vax
I'm not anti science
I'm not a conspiracy theorist
I don't think the govt is out to get me
I'm not a right wing nut
I have a mind of my own and my own reservations about things.
And I'm getting sick and tired of being stereotyped because I don't want this vaccine- YET.
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by JennP
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by AliceCullen
Posted by MrsS2005
My youngest has been wearing a mask at daycare since she turned 3 due to the requirements in my state. They don’t wear them while eating or sleeping and within the past several months, we could give written permission for the kids to not have to wear them outside.
It has been over a year with wearing masks. I wasn’t thrilled about it at first, but most kids seem to adapt really easily. There was a transitional period as well to get the kids used to it. I think it also helped for them to see everyone else in masks. At the beginning, it was difficult to get her to keep it on even if we went places where masks were required. Once she got used to the mask, she began putting it on without any issue. She doesn’t complain about wearing it.
Unfortunately, we have had positive cases at daycare throughout the pandemic. I’m unaware of any transmission between kids at daycare though. After going months without a positive case, we have had a few in the last month in different age groups. My child is currently home due to being in direct contact with someone who tested positive at daycare. All of my kids have been in quarantine at some point due to exposure, but I was most nervous about this one because kids that young seem most likely to not wear their masks correctly. She’s past the quarantine period and has had a negative test and we’re just waiting for her daycare room to reopen. I don’t know if kids this young just have a lower viral load and are less likely to spread the virus, if the masks actually worked or it’s a combination of the two. Regardless, this past year, the masks have certainly cut down on all of the colds/viruses that usually go around.
I'm actually worried my 3 year old is going to get sick more often now that she'll be dropping her mask on the floor and putting it back on her face. And the teachers will constantly be touching her face to put her mask on. There will be a lot more touching of her face now.
It's so gross. They'll be sneezing into the masks and then wearing them like that all day, drooling in them (the little ones), touching them, swapping them with friends, having them all over the floor.
It's unsanitary and totally gross and someone who is aware of SCIENCE and perhaps a medical professional should step in and tell this assh0le governor of ours just how dangerous this is.
Speaking from my experience only, we are asked to have at least 1 extra mask in their backpack or cubby and there are always disposable masks on hand. There are certainly times when the masks can get gross, but the dirty ones are put in a bag and changed out.
DD hasn’t come home with a mask that isn’t hers and I’ve never seen her in someone else’s mask. Masked or not, toddlers, preschoolers, etc. can often be unsanitary and gross. They can wipe their noses on their hands and then touch common surfaces or toys, not wash their hands thoroughly, not cover their nose and/or mouth when they sneeze/cough, put things in their mouth that were on the floor, etc.
I understand the concerns and I wish we could be done with masks for good. However, since they’ll continue to be around for a while, I do think many young kids are more adaptable than older kids and adults.
Great. Fine. Fantastic. But all of this ignores statistics and “the science” that covid poses almost NO risk to children!
They only trust the science when it's convenient to them...disgusting.
That could certainly be said on both sides. People throw around stats, studies, stories, etc. that support their argument.
As far as COVID not posing much of a risk to children, that’s not the only consideration in enacting mask mandates. It’s certainly not perfect, but masks can protect others and reduce transmission. While children are likely to have mild cases and recover quickly, they may pass it to a classmate and then pass it to others who are at greater risk. With the contagiousness of the Delta variant, the increase in positive cases in children along with other groups has gone up dramatically over the past few months. Masks at least provide some protection to others.
The vaccine should be doing that for those at greater risk.
That's the point of it I thought.
You shouldn't have to mask a 2 year old to protect a higher risk adult when ca vaccines are widely available.
That argument held water prior to the development of the vaccine.
Right, but the same people complaining about the masks on two year olds are almost always the same people who rail against the vaccine.
This is the part that makes zero sense to me.
There are 676k Americans dead but some people just want to... let death run rampant?
I don't think people understand the significance of that number. It's more US casualties than from WW1, WW2, and Vietnam. COMBINED.
It's cruelty and insanity at this point.
Rail against one friggin part of this, fine, but the "just let it infect everyone because I am going to push back on everything the government tries to do" is bonkers.
Just stop.
I am the first to say that the ones at risk should be vaccinated.
And stop with the nonsense about rallying against the government. Me not wanting this vaccine has nothing to do with the government. That just sounds ignorant to keep beating that drum.
And if I don't want to be vaccinated, it should be on ME. ME. If I get sick and die, oh well right?
It shouldn't be your concern and it CERTAINLY shouldn't be on a 2 year old to protect me.
There's something called free will.
Now that the vaccine is widely available I'm sick of the whole- well YOU have to protect ME.
No.
Go protect yourself, you have a good option for that now, and leave me alone.
Sorry but it's been almost 2 years now and I'm getting sick and tired of the nonsense with no end game.
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by ChilisWife
It is not a child’s job to protect adults who can protect themselves. It is not a child’s obligation to restrict their breathing, impair their learning, impede their social skills, and grow up living in fear and anxiety just so that the world can achieve immortality for all. Sorry but it’s not and it is shocking that some think it is.
Not all adults can protect themselves and there are children who are vulnerable as well who are too young to be vaccinated. There are enough people who don’t want to do anything to protect themselves or others that we’ll keep continuing down the same path of restrictions, quarantines, etc.
No one likes masks, but adults seem much more bothered by them than kids. I had mixed feelings about masks when they were first required in daycare and I never thought it was necessary to mask outside in a school or daycare setting. I can certainly understand the frustration when kids haven’t been masked in daycare until now and have been okay, but we’re dealing with more contagious variants than we were previously. I’m just sharing that having been through this for over a year now, it does seem to provide protection in the positive cases we’ve had at daycare and hasn’t been the negative experience people who haven’t experienced this are making it out to be.
If you are that vulnerable an adult and you can't protect yourself, you probably shouldn't be working in a day care center. At any time not just during Covid. There are so many other illness that can kill you if you are that fragile.
This argument can go on and on until we are masking newborns to protect the fragile adults.
It's never going to end.
This is the like the diabetic eating grapes in the grocery store argument.
Well what if this, what if that, what if my baby coughs on someone who is medically fragile? She's only 6 months old, so perhaps she should be masked. To protect the adult who can't protect themselves. They can't protect themselves, but my baby in a mask will save them.
We can bring up all kinds of scenarios if we really try. It's getting tiresome
It’s not just the daycare workers though. When someone in the household tests positive, it generally spreads to at least some other family members. I don’t really want to go down the rabbit hole either, but pregnant women are also at higher risk of severe illness, death and pregnancy complications.
I originally posted to share my experience and observations with masking at daycare over the past year. I understand that the idea of little kids in masks for hours is upsetting to those whose children are affected by this mandate. I wasn’t thrilled about it when the mandate came out in my area. Kids are resilient though. What seems like a huge burden to many adults hasn’t had the same impact on young kids from what I’ve seen. I’m not trying to change people’s minds about masks, but maybe my experience can provide some reassurance to those whose kids are actually impacted.
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by ChilisWife
It is not a child’s job to protect adults who can protect themselves. It is not a child’s obligation to restrict their breathing, impair their learning, impede their social skills, and grow up living in fear and anxiety just so that the world can achieve immortality for all. Sorry but it’s not and it is shocking that some think it is.
Not all adults can protect themselves and there are children who are vulnerable as well who are too young to be vaccinated. There are enough people who don’t want to do anything to protect themselves or others that we’ll keep continuing down the same path of restrictions, quarantines, etc.
No one likes masks, but adults seem much more bothered by them than kids. I had mixed feelings about masks when they were first required in daycare and I never thought it was necessary to mask outside in a school or daycare setting. I can certainly understand the frustration when kids haven’t been masked in daycare until now and have been okay, but we’re dealing with more contagious variants than we were previously. I’m just sharing that having been through this for over a year now, it does seem to provide protection in the positive cases we’ve had at daycare and hasn’t been the negative experience people who haven’t experienced this are making it out to be.
If you are that vulnerable an adult and you can't protect yourself, you probably shouldn't be working in a day care center. At any time not just during Covid. There are so many other illness that can kill you if you are that fragile.
This argument can go on and on until we are masking newborns to protect the fragile adults.
It's never going to end.
This is the like the diabetic eating grapes in the grocery store argument.
Well what if this, what if that, what if my baby coughs on someone who is medically fragile? She's only 6 months old, so perhaps she should be masked. To protect the adult who can't protect themselves. They can't protect themselves, but my baby in a mask will save them.
We can bring up all kinds of scenarios if we really try. It's getting tiresome
It’s not just the daycare workers though. When someone in the household tests positive, it generally spreads to at least some other family members. I don’t really want to go down the rabbit hole either, but pregnant women are also at higher risk of severe illness, death and pregnancy complications.
I originally posted to share my experience and observations with masking at daycare over the past year. I understand that the idea of little kids in masks for hours is upsetting to those whose children are affected by this mandate. I wasn’t thrilled about it when the mandate came out in my area. Kids are resilient though. What seems like a huge burden to many adults hasn’t had the same impact on young kids from what I’ve seen. I’m not trying to change people’s minds about masks, but maybe my experience can provide some reassurance to those whose kids are actually impacted.
I think that for me, it's more about the long term mask usage that is creating the issue. Even with the older kids we are seeing issues with how they are coping due to the social constraints covid restrictions have put on them. Not being able to socialize at lunch or recess for example. And for the younger kids a lot is learned socially thru facial expressions.
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by JennP
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by AliceCullen
Posted by MrsS2005
My youngest has been wearing a mask at daycare since she turned 3 due to the requirements in my state. They don’t wear them while eating or sleeping and within the past several months, we could give written permission for the kids to not have to wear them outside.
It has been over a year with wearing masks. I wasn’t thrilled about it at first, but most kids seem to adapt really easily. There was a transitional period as well to get the kids used to it. I think it also helped for them to see everyone else in masks. At the beginning, it was difficult to get her to keep it on even if we went places where masks were required. Once she got used to the mask, she began putting it on without any issue. She doesn’t complain about wearing it.
Unfortunately, we have had positive cases at daycare throughout the pandemic. I’m unaware of any transmission between kids at daycare though. After going months without a positive case, we have had a few in the last month in different age groups. My child is currently home due to being in direct contact with someone who tested positive at daycare. All of my kids have been in quarantine at some point due to exposure, but I was most nervous about this one because kids that young seem most likely to not wear their masks correctly. She’s past the quarantine period and has had a negative test and we’re just waiting for her daycare room to reopen. I don’t know if kids this young just have a lower viral load and are less likely to spread the virus, if the masks actually worked or it’s a combination of the two. Regardless, this past year, the masks have certainly cut down on all of the colds/viruses that usually go around.
I'm actually worried my 3 year old is going to get sick more often now that she'll be dropping her mask on the floor and putting it back on her face. And the teachers will constantly be touching her face to put her mask on. There will be a lot more touching of her face now.
It's so gross. They'll be sneezing into the masks and then wearing them like that all day, drooling in them (the little ones), touching them, swapping them with friends, having them all over the floor.
It's unsanitary and totally gross and someone who is aware of SCIENCE and perhaps a medical professional should step in and tell this assh0le governor of ours just how dangerous this is.
Speaking from my experience only, we are asked to have at least 1 extra mask in their backpack or cubby and there are always disposable masks on hand. There are certainly times when the masks can get gross, but the dirty ones are put in a bag and changed out.
DD hasn’t come home with a mask that isn’t hers and I’ve never seen her in someone else’s mask. Masked or not, toddlers, preschoolers, etc. can often be unsanitary and gross. They can wipe their noses on their hands and then touch common surfaces or toys, not wash their hands thoroughly, not cover their nose and/or mouth when they sneeze/cough, put things in their mouth that were on the floor, etc.
I understand the concerns and I wish we could be done with masks for good. However, since they’ll continue to be around for a while, I do think many young kids are more adaptable than older kids and adults.
Great. Fine. Fantastic. But all of this ignores statistics and “the science” that covid poses almost NO risk to children!
They only trust the science when it's convenient to them...disgusting.
That could certainly be said on both sides. People throw around stats, studies, stories, etc. that support their argument.
As far as COVID not posing much of a risk to children, that’s not the only consideration in enacting mask mandates. It’s certainly not perfect, but masks can protect others and reduce transmission. While children are likely to have mild cases and recover quickly, they may pass it to a classmate and then pass it to others who are at greater risk. With the contagiousness of the Delta variant, the increase in positive cases in children along with other groups has gone up dramatically over the past few months. Masks at least provide some protection to others.
The vaccine should be doing that for those at greater risk.
That's the point of it I thought.
You shouldn't have to mask a 2 year old to protect a higher risk adult when ca vaccines are widely available.
That argument held water prior to the development of the vaccine.
Right, but the same people complaining about the masks on two year olds are almost always the same people who rail against the vaccine.
This is the part that makes zero sense to me.
There are 676k Americans dead but some people just want to... let death run rampant?
I don't think people understand the significance of that number. It's more US casualties than from WW1, WW2, and Vietnam. COMBINED.
It's cruelty and insanity at this point.
Rail against one friggin part of this, fine, but the "just let it infect everyone because I am going to push back on everything the government tries to do" is bonkers.
Just stop.
I am the first to say that the ones at risk should be vaccinated.
And stop with the nonsense about rallying against the government. Me not wanting this vaccine has nothing to do with the government. That just sounds ignorant to keep beating that drum.
And if I don't want to be vaccinated, it should be on ME. ME. If I get sick and die, oh well right?
It shouldn't be your concern and it CERTAINLY shouldn't be on a 2 year old to protect me.
There's something called free will.
Now that the vaccine is widely available I'm sick of the whole- well YOU have to protect ME.
No.
Go protect yourself, you have a good option for that now, and leave me alone.
Sorry but it's been almost 2 years now and I'm getting sick and tired of the nonsense with no end game.
I don't have to stop anything.
I wouldn't rip out the word ignorant when you are saying "if I want to die, oh well?"
That is your answer? You have a family. You have a child.
You really didn't address what I said, anyway.
Just let this be and do nothing? Take no responsibility?
I've tried to be nice but it's like the Angels of Death just come on here multiple times of day and complain about every. single. aspect of this.
"I won't do this. I won't do that."
You (general you) don't live in a bubble! The death and disease you all like to exchange affects other people.
I'm just so disgusted.
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Re: Masking and children
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Right, but the same people complaining about the masks on two year olds are almost always the same people who rail against the vaccine.
This is the part that makes zero sense to me.
There are 676k Americans dead but some people just want to... let death run rampant?
I don't think people understand the significance of that number. It's more US casualties than from WW1, WW2, and Vietnam. COMBINED.
It's cruelty and insanity at this point.
Rail against one friggin part of this, fine, but the "just let it infect everyone because I am going to push back on everything the government tries to do" is bonkers.
I don't really agree. I know a lot of people that are pro vaccine but are anti mask FOR CHILDREN.
That's true. I should have clarified. I meant on LIF.
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Masking and children
18 months ago when this pandemic really started to hit the fan mandates were necessary. They did not know how to treat Covid. They did not understand Covid. They had a multitude of people dying of Covid. There was alot of unknowns. That was 18 months ago. They now can treat Covid. The hospitals are not overrun. They understand and are studying Covid and it's variants daily. There are no need for mandates anymore. We are not in the same place we were when this started. Are people still getting sick from Covid, absolutely but most not seriously. Are people still dying from Covid, yes but most have other issues going on and the number is substantially lower now. Unfortunately people die from illnesses all the time. We never had mandates with the flu or pneumonia outbreaks which also kill many people. The time for quarantining is over, the time for mandates are over. If you want to keep wearing a mask, please do. I hope all people if feeling will put one on to protect others. That should have been a "thing" all along. It is no longer about science, it is all about control.
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Re: Masking and children
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18 months ago when this pandemic really started to hit the fan mandates were necessary. They did not know how to treat Covid. They did not understand Covid. They had a multitude of people dying of Covid. There was alot of unknowns. That was 18 months ago. They now can treat Covid. The hospitals are not overrun. They understand and are studying Covid and it's variants daily. There are no need for mandates anymore. We are not in the same place we were when this started. Are people still getting sick from Covid, absolutely but most not seriously. Are people still dying from Covid, yes but most have other issues going on and the number is substantially lower now. Unfortunately people die from illnesses all the time. We never had mandates with the flu or pneumonia outbreaks which also kill many people. The time for quarantining is over, the time for mandates are over. If you want to keep wearing a mask, please do. I hope all people if feeling will put one on to protect others. That should have been a "thing" all along. It is no longer about science, it is all about control.
Thank you and everyone is responsible for themselves, like they always have been.
If you are worried you will get sick, stay home as much as you can or avoid crowds and wear a mask when you find necessary for YOUR.SELF.
Kids are not dying all over the place, especially not 2 year olds.
It is ALL about control and if you don't see it then you have blinders on and can't think for yourself.
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by ChilisWife
It is not a child’s job to protect adults who can protect themselves. It is not a child’s obligation to restrict their breathing, impair their learning, impede their social skills, and grow up living in fear and anxiety just so that the world can achieve immortality for all. Sorry but it’s not and it is shocking that some think it is.
Not all adults can protect themselves and there are children who are vulnerable as well who are too young to be vaccinated. There are enough people who don’t want to do anything to protect themselves or others that we’ll keep continuing down the same path of restrictions, quarantines, etc.
No one likes masks, but adults seem much more bothered by them than kids. I had mixed feelings about masks when they were first required in daycare and I never thought it was necessary to mask outside in a school or daycare setting. I can certainly understand the frustration when kids haven’t been masked in daycare until now and have been okay, but we’re dealing with more contagious variants than we were previously. I’m just sharing that having been through this for over a year now, it does seem to provide protection in the positive cases we’ve had at daycare and hasn’t been the negative experience people who haven’t experienced this are making it out to be.
If you are that vulnerable an adult and you can't protect yourself, you probably shouldn't be working in a day care center. At any time not just during Covid. There are so many other illness that can kill you if you are that fragile.
This argument can go on and on until we are masking newborns to protect the fragile adults.
It's never going to end.
This is the like the diabetic eating grapes in the grocery store argument.
Well what if this, what if that, what if my baby coughs on someone who is medically fragile? She's only 6 months old, so perhaps she should be masked. To protect the adult who can't protect themselves. They can't protect themselves, but my baby in a mask will save them.
We can bring up all kinds of scenarios if we really try. It's getting tiresome
It’s not just the daycare workers though. When someone in the household tests positive, it generally spreads to at least some other family members. I don’t really want to go down the rabbit hole either, but pregnant women are also at higher risk of severe illness, death and pregnancy complications.
I originally posted to share my experience and observations with masking at daycare over the past year. I understand that the idea of little kids in masks for hours is upsetting to those whose children are affected by this mandate. I wasn’t thrilled about it when the mandate came out in my area. Kids are resilient though. What seems like a huge burden to many adults hasn’t had the same impact on young kids from what I’ve seen. I’m not trying to change people’s minds about masks, but maybe my experience can provide some reassurance to those whose kids are actually impacted.
That’s ur experience and what u've observed in ur circle, I’m happy that’s the case for u. I’ve have noticed though that usually people that don’t have challenges like their little children having health issues like asthma and using masks is torture for them, or have children with speech disadvantages and depending on speech therapies to overcome these problems is a must but masks is a big obstacle, or have children that get very anxious with having to wear masks for long periods of time, and so many other things, usually parents that don’t have these challenges are the ones that tend to say children are resilient and with the right amount of encouragement, children get used to masks with no problems. Just know that although ur experience might have been pretty easy and ur children are totally fine wearing masks, that’s not the case for others. Reason why I don’t believe in masks mandates especially for children because not everyone is the same, if one child is completely used to wearing masks, another child might not be. If u need ur child to mask, go right ahead and do so but someone else that has a child that cannot tolerate masks has the same right as u and should not be demanded or expected to be masked.
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by ChilisWife
It is not a child’s job to protect adults who can protect themselves. It is not a child’s obligation to restrict their breathing, impair their learning, impede their social skills, and grow up living in fear and anxiety just so that the world can achieve immortality for all. Sorry but it’s not and it is shocking that some think it is.
Not all adults can protect themselves and there are children who are vulnerable as well who are too young to be vaccinated. There are enough people who don’t want to do anything to protect themselves or others that we’ll keep continuing down the same path of restrictions, quarantines, etc.
No one likes masks, but adults seem much more bothered by them than kids. I had mixed feelings about masks when they were first required in daycare and I never thought it was necessary to mask outside in a school or daycare setting. I can certainly understand the frustration when kids haven’t been masked in daycare until now and have been okay, but we’re dealing with more contagious variants than we were previously. I’m just sharing that having been through this for over a year now, it does seem to provide protection in the positive cases we’ve had at daycare and hasn’t been the negative experience people who haven’t experienced this are making it out to be.
If you are that vulnerable an adult and you can't protect yourself, you probably shouldn't be working in a day care center. At any time not just during Covid. There are so many other illness that can kill you if you are that fragile.
This argument can go on and on until we are masking newborns to protect the fragile adults.
It's never going to end.
This is the like the diabetic eating grapes in the grocery store argument.
Well what if this, what if that, what if my baby coughs on someone who is medically fragile? She's only 6 months old, so perhaps she should be masked. To protect the adult who can't protect themselves. They can't protect themselves, but my baby in a mask will save them.
We can bring up all kinds of scenarios if we really try. It's getting tiresome
It’s not just the daycare workers though. When someone in the household tests positive, it generally spreads to at least some other family members. I don’t really want to go down the rabbit hole either, but pregnant women are also at higher risk of severe illness, death and pregnancy complications.
I originally posted to share my experience and observations with masking at daycare over the past year. I understand that the idea of little kids in masks for hours is upsetting to those whose children are affected by this mandate. I wasn’t thrilled about it when the mandate came out in my area. Kids are resilient though. What seems like a huge burden to many adults hasn’t had the same impact on young kids from what I’ve seen. I’m not trying to change people’s minds about masks, but maybe my experience can provide some reassurance to those whose kids are actually impacted.
That’s ur experience and what u've observed in ur circle, I’m happy that’s the case for u. I’ve have noticed though that usually people that don’t have challenges like their little children having health issues like asthma and using masks is torture for them, or have children with speech disadvantages and depend on speech therapies to overcome these problems is a must but masks is a big obstacle, or have children that get very anxious with having to wear masks for long periods of time, and so many other things, usually parents that don’t have these challenges are the ones that tend to say children are resilient and with the right amount of encouragement, children get used to masks with no problems. Just know that although ur experience might have been pretty easy and ur children are totally fine wearing masks, that’s not the case for others. Reason why I don’t believe in masks mandates especially for children because not everyone is the same, if one child is completely used to wearing masks, another child might not be. If u need ur child to mask, go right ahead and do so but someone else that has a child that cannot tolerate masks has the same right as u and should not be demanded or expected to be masked.
True. And if there is a pregnant parent at home, a high risk person, a grape eating diabetic, or any other multitude of people that need extra protection in the family of a daycare child then that child can be masked.
The whole daycare does not need to be.
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by ChilisWife
It is not a child’s job to protect adults who can protect themselves. It is not a child’s obligation to restrict their breathing, impair their learning, impede their social skills, and grow up living in fear and anxiety just so that the world can achieve immortality for all. Sorry but it’s not and it is shocking that some think it is.
Not all adults can protect themselves and there are children who are vulnerable as well who are too young to be vaccinated. There are enough people who don’t want to do anything to protect themselves or others that we’ll keep continuing down the same path of restrictions, quarantines, etc.
No one likes masks, but adults seem much more bothered by them than kids. I had mixed feelings about masks when they were first required in daycare and I never thought it was necessary to mask outside in a school or daycare setting. I can certainly understand the frustration when kids haven’t been masked in daycare until now and have been okay, but we’re dealing with more contagious variants than we were previously. I’m just sharing that having been through this for over a year now, it does seem to provide protection in the positive cases we’ve had at daycare and hasn’t been the negative experience people who haven’t experienced this are making it out to be.
If you are that vulnerable an adult and you can't protect yourself, you probably shouldn't be working in a day care center. At any time not just during Covid. There are so many other illness that can kill you if you are that fragile.
This argument can go on and on until we are masking newborns to protect the fragile adults.
It's never going to end.
This is the like the diabetic eating grapes in the grocery store argument.
Well what if this, what if that, what if my baby coughs on someone who is medically fragile? She's only 6 months old, so perhaps she should be masked. To protect the adult who can't protect themselves. They can't protect themselves, but my baby in a mask will save them.
We can bring up all kinds of scenarios if we really try. It's getting tiresome
It’s not just the daycare workers though. When someone in the household tests positive, it generally spreads to at least some other family members. I don’t really want to go down the rabbit hole either, but pregnant women are also at higher risk of severe illness, death and pregnancy complications.
I originally posted to share my experience and observations with masking at daycare over the past year. I understand that the idea of little kids in masks for hours is upsetting to those whose children are affected by this mandate. I wasn’t thrilled about it when the mandate came out in my area. Kids are resilient though. What seems like a huge burden to many adults hasn’t had the same impact on young kids from what I’ve seen. I’m not trying to change people’s minds about masks, but maybe my experience can provide some reassurance to those whose kids are actually impacted.
That’s ur experience and what u've observed in ur circle, I’m happy that’s the case for u. I’ve have noticed though that usually people that don’t have challenges like their little children having health issues like asthma and using masks is torture for them, or have children with speech disadvantages and depend on speech therapies to overcome these problems is a must but masks is a big obstacle, or have children that get very anxious with having to wear masks for long periods of time, and so many other things, usually parents that don’t have these challenges are the ones that tend to say children are resilient and with the right amount of encouragement, children get used to masks with no problems. Just know that although ur experience might have been pretty easy and ur children are totally fine wearing masks, that’s not the case for others. Reason why I don’t believe in masks mandates especially for children because not everyone is the same, if one child is completely used to wearing masks, another child might not be. If u need ur child to mask, go right ahead and do so but someone else that has a child that cannot tolerate masks has the same right as u and should not be demanded or expected to be masked.
True. And if there is a pregnant parent at home, a high risk person, a grape eating diabetic, or any other multitude of people that need extra protection in the family of a daycare child then that child can be masked.
The whole daycare does not need to be.
Or they can get the vaccine. It’s odd that people who strongly believe in the vaccine don’t see how this should be argument enough and not need to mask small children. My stepson has two small sibling, he has chronic asthma and got the vaccine, the solution wasn’t to put the baby in a mask. It was for him to protect himself.
Also kids are resilient but they do suffer, many well adjusted kids have suffered. So people need to stop with that. Kids are resilient until they arent and are in therapy and you realize they weren’t as resilient as we thought. Kids have been greatly effected by this pandemic and we have ignored them by using the phrase “oh kids are resilient”. Again let’s be empathetic to parents who do have kids who are struggling even if yours aren’t.
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by KarenK122
18 months ago when this pandemic really started to hit the fan mandates were necessary. They did not know how to treat Covid. They did not understand Covid. They had a multitude of people dying of Covid. There was alot of unknowns. That was 18 months ago. They now can treat Covid. The hospitals are not overrun. They understand and are studying Covid and it's variants daily. There are no need for mandates anymore. We are not in the same place we were when this started. Are people still getting sick from Covid, absolutely but most not seriously. Are people still dying from Covid, yes but most have other issues going on and the number is substantially lower now. Unfortunately people die from illnesses all the time. We never had mandates with the flu or pneumonia outbreaks which also kill many people. The time for quarantining is over, the time for mandates are over. If you want to keep wearing a mask, please do. I hope all people if feeling will put one on to protect others. That should have been a "thing" all along. It is no longer about science, it is all about control.
Thank you!! Not to mention that the vaccine does not prevent people from getting our spreading COVID so why force people to take something that won't end this virus?? At this point there is no end game other than control.
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by ChilisWife
It is not a child’s job to protect adults who can protect themselves. It is not a child’s obligation to restrict their breathing, impair their learning, impede their social skills, and grow up living in fear and anxiety just so that the world can achieve immortality for all. Sorry but it’s not and it is shocking that some think it is.
Not all adults can protect themselves and there are children who are vulnerable as well who are too young to be vaccinated. There are enough people who don’t want to do anything to protect themselves or others that we’ll keep continuing down the same path of restrictions, quarantines, etc.
No one likes masks, but adults seem much more bothered by them than kids. I had mixed feelings about masks when they were first required in daycare and I never thought it was necessary to mask outside in a school or daycare setting. I can certainly understand the frustration when kids haven’t been masked in daycare until now and have been okay, but we’re dealing with more contagious variants than we were previously. I’m just sharing that having been through this for over a year now, it does seem to provide protection in the positive cases we’ve had at daycare and hasn’t been the negative experience people who haven’t experienced this are making it out to be.
If you are that vulnerable an adult and you can't protect yourself, you probably shouldn't be working in a day care center. At any time not just during Covid. There are so many other illness that can kill you if you are that fragile.
This argument can go on and on until we are masking newborns to protect the fragile adults.
It's never going to end.
This is the like the diabetic eating grapes in the grocery store argument.
Well what if this, what if that, what if my baby coughs on someone who is medically fragile? She's only 6 months old, so perhaps she should be masked. To protect the adult who can't protect themselves. They can't protect themselves, but my baby in a mask will save them.
We can bring up all kinds of scenarios if we really try. It's getting tiresome
It’s not just the daycare workers though. When someone in the household tests positive, it generally spreads to at least some other family members. I don’t really want to go down the rabbit hole either, but pregnant women are also at higher risk of severe illness, death and pregnancy complications.
I originally posted to share my experience and observations with masking at daycare over the past year. I understand that the idea of little kids in masks for hours is upsetting to those whose children are affected by this mandate. I wasn’t thrilled about it when the mandate came out in my area. Kids are resilient though. What seems like a huge burden to many adults hasn’t had the same impact on young kids from what I’ve seen. I’m not trying to change people’s minds about masks, but maybe my experience can provide some reassurance to those whose kids are actually impacted.
That’s ur experience and what u've observed in ur circle, I’m happy that’s the case for u. I’ve have noticed though that usually people that don’t have challenges like their little children having health issues like asthma and using masks is torture for them, or have children with speech disadvantages and depend on speech therapies to overcome these problems is a must but masks is a big obstacle, or have children that get very anxious with having to wear masks for long periods of time, and so many other things, usually parents that don’t have these challenges are the ones that tend to say children are resilient and with the right amount of encouragement, children get used to masks with no problems. Just know that although ur experience might have been pretty easy and ur children are totally fine wearing masks, that’s not the case for others. Reason why I don’t believe in masks mandates especially for children because not everyone is the same, if one child is completely used to wearing masks, another child might not be. If u need ur child to mask, go right ahead and do so but someone else that has a child that cannot tolerate masks has the same right as u and should not be demanded or expected to be masked.
True. And if there is a pregnant parent at home, a high risk person, a grape eating diabetic, or any other multitude of people that need extra protection in the family of a daycare child then that child can be masked.
The whole daycare does not need to be.
The issue though is that masks provide relatively little protection to the mask wearer. If the others in the daycare are not masked then it won't matter. But with anything, we have to make choices right? If there is someone high risk at home, find an alternative to day care for your child.
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by ChilisWife
It is not a child’s job to protect adults who can protect themselves. It is not a child’s obligation to restrict their breathing, impair their learning, impede their social skills, and grow up living in fear and anxiety just so that the world can achieve immortality for all. Sorry but it’s not and it is shocking that some think it is.
Not all adults can protect themselves and there are children who are vulnerable as well who are too young to be vaccinated. There are enough people who don’t want to do anything to protect themselves or others that we’ll keep continuing down the same path of restrictions, quarantines, etc.
No one likes masks, but adults seem much more bothered by them than kids. I had mixed feelings about masks when they were first required in daycare and I never thought it was necessary to mask outside in a school or daycare setting. I can certainly understand the frustration when kids haven’t been masked in daycare until now and have been okay, but we’re dealing with more contagious variants than we were previously. I’m just sharing that having been through this for over a year now, it does seem to provide protection in the positive cases we’ve had at daycare and hasn’t been the negative experience people who haven’t experienced this are making it out to be.
How many children in daycare have been hospitalized or died from this Delta variant?
You really are just wasting your time trying Tom give a different perspective. They do not care and do not want to hear it.
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by luckystar08
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by ChilisWife
It is not a child’s job to protect adults who can protect themselves. It is not a child’s obligation to restrict their breathing, impair their learning, impede their social skills, and grow up living in fear and anxiety just so that the world can achieve immortality for all. Sorry but it’s not and it is shocking that some think it is.
Not all adults can protect themselves and there are children who are vulnerable as well who are too young to be vaccinated. There are enough people who don’t want to do anything to protect themselves or others that we’ll keep continuing down the same path of restrictions, quarantines, etc.
No one likes masks, but adults seem much more bothered by them than kids. I had mixed feelings about masks when they were first required in daycare and I never thought it was necessary to mask outside in a school or daycare setting. I can certainly understand the frustration when kids haven’t been masked in daycare until now and have been okay, but we’re dealing with more contagious variants than we were previously. I’m just sharing that having been through this for over a year now, it does seem to provide protection in the positive cases we’ve had at daycare and hasn’t been the negative experience people who haven’t experienced this are making it out to be.
How many children in daycare have been hospitalized or died from this Delta variant?
You really are just wasting your time trying Tom give a different perspective. They do not care and do not want to hear it.
No one will answer that as they KNOW it is sooo minimal. Not enough for a 2 year old to have to wear a mask all day.
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by KarenK122
18 months ago when this pandemic really started to hit the fan mandates were necessary. They did not know how to treat Covid. They did not understand Covid. They had a multitude of people dying of Covid. There was alot of unknowns. That was 18 months ago. They now can treat Covid. The hospitals are not overrun. They understand and are studying Covid and it's variants daily. There are no need for mandates anymore. We are not in the same place we were when this started. Are people still getting sick from Covid, absolutely but most not seriously. Are people still dying from Covid, yes but most have other issues going on and the number is substantially lower now. Unfortunately people die from illnesses all the time. We never had mandates with the flu or pneumonia outbreaks which also kill many people. The time for quarantining is over, the time for mandates are over. If you want to keep wearing a mask, please do. I hope all people if feeling will put one on to protect others. That should have been a "thing" all along. It is no longer about science, it is all about control.
Absolutely agree. Covid is at the point of “everyone do what’s best for you”. They know enough medically to treat it. And we, as citizens, know enough to decide for ourselves. And if you don’t, start reading and ask your trusted medical professionals opinion.
I am pro vaccine but not pro mandate for it because of what you listed above.
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| Posted 9/22/21 5:49 PM |
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Raging2020
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by JennP
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Posted by AliceCullen
Posted by MrsS2005
My youngest has been wearing a mask at daycare since she turned 3 due to the requirements in my state. They don’t wear them while eating or sleeping and within the past several months, we could give written permission for the kids to not have to wear them outside.
It has been over a year with wearing masks. I wasn’t thrilled about it at first, but most kids seem to adapt really easily. There was a transitional period as well to get the kids used to it. I think it also helped for them to see everyone else in masks. At the beginning, it was difficult to get her to keep it on even if we went places where masks were required. Once she got used to the mask, she began putting it on without any issue. She doesn’t complain about wearing it.
Unfortunately, we have had positive cases at daycare throughout the pandemic. I’m unaware of any transmission between kids at daycare though. After going months without a positive case, we have had a few in the last month in different age groups. My child is currently home due to being in direct contact with someone who tested positive at daycare. All of my kids have been in quarantine at some point due to exposure, but I was most nervous about this one because kids that young seem most likely to not wear their masks correctly. She’s past the quarantine period and has had a negative test and we’re just waiting for her daycare room to reopen. I don’t know if kids this young just have a lower viral load and are less likely to spread the virus, if the masks actually worked or it’s a combination of the two. Regardless, this past year, the masks have certainly cut down on all of the colds/viruses that usually go around.
I'm actually worried my 3 year old is going to get sick more often now that she'll be dropping her mask on the floor and putting it back on her face. And the teachers will constantly be touching her face to put her mask on. There will be a lot more touching of her face now.
It's so gross. They'll be sneezing into the masks and then wearing them like that all day, drooling in them (the little ones), touching them, swapping them with friends, having them all over the floor.
It's unsanitary and totally gross and someone who is aware of SCIENCE and perhaps a medical professional should step in and tell this assh0le governor of ours just how dangerous this is.
Speaking from my experience only, we are asked to have at least 1 extra mask in their backpack or cubby and there are always disposable masks on hand. There are certainly times when the masks can get gross, but the dirty ones are put in a bag and changed out.
DD hasn’t come home with a mask that isn’t hers and I’ve never seen her in someone else’s mask. Masked or not, toddlers, preschoolers, etc. can often be unsanitary and gross. They can wipe their noses on their hands and then touch common surfaces or toys, not wash their hands thoroughly, not cover their nose and/or mouth when they sneeze/cough, put things in their mouth that were on the floor, etc.
I understand the concerns and I wish we could be done with masks for good. However, since they’ll continue to be around for a while, I do think many young kids are more adaptable than older kids and adults.
Great. Fine. Fantastic. But all of this ignores statistics and “the science” that covid poses almost NO risk to children!
They only trust the science when it's convenient to them...disgusting.
That could certainly be said on both sides. People throw around stats, studies, stories, etc. that support their argument.
As far as COVID not posing much of a risk to children, that’s not the only consideration in enacting mask mandates. It’s certainly not perfect, but masks can protect others and reduce transmission. While children are likely to have mild cases and recover quickly, they may pass it to a classmate and then pass it to others who are at greater risk. With the contagiousness of the Delta variant, the increase in positive cases in children along with other groups has gone up dramatically over the past few months. Masks at least provide some protection to others.
The vaccine should be doing that for those at greater risk.
That's the point of it I thought.
You shouldn't have to mask a 2 year old to protect a higher risk adult when ca vaccines are widely available.
That argument held water prior to the development of the vaccine.
Right, but the same people complaining about the masks on two year olds are almost always the same people who rail against the vaccine.
This is the part that makes zero sense to me.
There are 676k Americans dead but some people just want to... let death run rampant?
I don't think people understand the significance of that number. It's more US casualties than from WW1, WW2, and Vietnam. COMBINED.
It's cruelty and insanity at this point.
Rail against one friggin part of this, fine, but the "just let it infect everyone because I am going to push back on everything the government tries to do" is bonkers.
Just stop.
I am the first to say that the ones at risk should be vaccinated.
And stop with the nonsense about rallying against the government. Me not wanting this vaccine has nothing to do with the government. That just sounds ignorant to keep beating that drum.
And if I don't want to be vaccinated, it should be on ME. ME. If I get sick and die, oh well right?
It shouldn't be your concern and it CERTAINLY shouldn't be on a 2 year old to protect me.
There's something called free will.
Now that the vaccine is widely available I'm sick of the whole- well YOU have to protect ME.
No.
Go protect yourself, you have a good option for that now, and leave me alone.
Sorry but it's been almost 2 years now and I'm getting sick and tired of the nonsense with no end game.
I don't have to stop anything.
I wouldn't rip out the word ignorant when you are saying "if I want to die, oh well?"
That is your answer? You have a family. You have a child.
You really didn't address what I said, anyway.
Just let this be and do nothing? Take no responsibility?
I've tried to be nice but it's like the Angels of Death just come on here multiple times of day and complain about every. single. aspect of this.
"I won't do this. I won't do that."
You (general you) don't live in a bubble! The death and disease you all like to exchange affects other people.
I'm just so disgusted.
You do you….and the rest of us will do what’s best for us. Majority of people are tired of this never ending dangling carrot in front of us. It’s time to return to normal.
My kids have several friends who tested positive since school started. All had a little sniffle and only got tested bc they were in contact with someone who was. No one in their families were bedridden. None hospitalized. 24/48 hours they were fine. Now they have antibodies. Covid is not a death sentence for the heathy. Those at risk can take precautions. I have the example before - if you have a life threatening peanut allergy and touching peanut residue can kill you….you don’t ask the world to stop consuming peanuts. You take precautions for yourself.
Message edited 9/22/2021 6:04:46 PM.
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| Posted 9/22/21 6:01 PM |
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mommy2devin
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by JennP
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by JennP
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by AliceCullen
Posted by MrsS2005
My youngest has been wearing a mask at daycare since she turned 3 due to the requirements in my state. They don’t wear them while eating or sleeping and within the past several months, we could give written permission for the kids to not have to wear them outside.
It has been over a year with wearing masks. I wasn’t thrilled about it at first, but most kids seem to adapt really easily. There was a transitional period as well to get the kids used to it. I think it also helped for them to see everyone else in masks. At the beginning, it was difficult to get her to keep it on even if we went places where masks were required. Once she got used to the mask, she began putting it on without any issue. She doesn’t complain about wearing it.
Unfortunately, we have had positive cases at daycare throughout the pandemic. I’m unaware of any transmission between kids at daycare though. After going months without a positive case, we have had a few in the last month in different age groups. My child is currently home due to being in direct contact with someone who tested positive at daycare. All of my kids have been in quarantine at some point due to exposure, but I was most nervous about this one because kids that young seem most likely to not wear their masks correctly. She’s past the quarantine period and has had a negative test and we’re just waiting for her daycare room to reopen. I don’t know if kids this young just have a lower viral load and are less likely to spread the virus, if the masks actually worked or it’s a combination of the two. Regardless, this past year, the masks have certainly cut down on all of the colds/viruses that usually go around.
I'm actually worried my 3 year old is going to get sick more often now that she'll be dropping her mask on the floor and putting it back on her face. And the teachers will constantly be touching her face to put her mask on. There will be a lot more touching of her face now.
It's so gross. They'll be sneezing into the masks and then wearing them like that all day, drooling in them (the little ones), touching them, swapping them with friends, having them all over the floor.
It's unsanitary and totally gross and someone who is aware of SCIENCE and perhaps a medical professional should step in and tell this assh0le governor of ours just how dangerous this is.
Speaking from my experience only, we are asked to have at least 1 extra mask in their backpack or cubby and there are always disposable masks on hand. There are certainly times when the masks can get gross, but the dirty ones are put in a bag and changed out.
DD hasn’t come home with a mask that isn’t hers and I’ve never seen her in someone else’s mask. Masked or not, toddlers, preschoolers, etc. can often be unsanitary and gross. They can wipe their noses on their hands and then touch common surfaces or toys, not wash their hands thoroughly, not cover their nose and/or mouth when they sneeze/cough, put things in their mouth that were on the floor, etc.
I understand the concerns and I wish we could be done with masks for good. However, since they’ll continue to be around for a while, I do think many young kids are more adaptable than older kids and adults.
Great. Fine. Fantastic. But all of this ignores statistics and “the science” that covid poses almost NO risk to children!
They only trust the science when it's convenient to them...disgusting.
That could certainly be said on both sides. People throw around stats, studies, stories, etc. that support their argument.
As far as COVID not posing much of a risk to children, that’s not the only consideration in enacting mask mandates. It’s certainly not perfect, but masks can protect others and reduce transmission. While children are likely to have mild cases and recover quickly, they may pass it to a classmate and then pass it to others who are at greater risk. With the contagiousness of the Delta variant, the increase in positive cases in children along with other groups has gone up dramatically over the past few months. Masks at least provide some protection to others.
The vaccine should be doing that for those at greater risk.
That's the point of it I thought.
You shouldn't have to mask a 2 year old to protect a higher risk adult when ca vaccines are widely available.
That argument held water prior to the development of the vaccine.
Right, but the same people complaining about the masks on two year olds are almost always the same people who rail against the vaccine.
This is the part that makes zero sense to me.
There are 676k Americans dead but some people just want to... let death run rampant?
I don't think people understand the significance of that number. It's more US casualties than from WW1, WW2, and Vietnam. COMBINED.
It's cruelty and insanity at this point.
Rail against one friggin part of this, fine, but the "just let it infect everyone because I am going to push back on everything the government tries to do" is bonkers.
Just stop.
I am the first to say that the ones at risk should be vaccinated.
And stop with the nonsense about rallying against the government. Me not wanting this vaccine has nothing to do with the government. That just sounds ignorant to keep beating that drum.
And if I don't want to be vaccinated, it should be on ME. ME. If I get sick and die, oh well right?
It shouldn't be your concern and it CERTAINLY shouldn't be on a 2 year old to protect me.
There's something called free will.
Now that the vaccine is widely available I'm sick of the whole- well YOU have to protect ME.
No.
Go protect yourself, you have a good option for that now, and leave me alone.
Sorry but it's been almost 2 years now and I'm getting sick and tired of the nonsense with no end game.
I don't have to stop anything.
I wouldn't rip out the word ignorant when you are saying "if I want to die, oh well?"
That is your answer? You have a family. You have a child.
You really didn't address what I said, anyway.
Just let this be and do nothing? Take no responsibility?
I've tried to be nice but it's like the Angels of Death just come on here multiple times of day and complain about every. single. aspect of this.
"I won't do this. I won't do that."
You (general you) don't live in a bubble! The death and disease you all like to exchange affects other people.
I'm just so disgusted.
You do you….and the rest of us will do what’s best for us. Majority of people are tired of this never ending dangling carrot in front of us. It’s time to return to normal.
My kids have several friends who tested positive since school started. All had a little sniffle and only got tested bc they were in contact with someone who was. No one in their families were bedridden. None hospitalized. 24/48 hours they were fine. Now they have antibodies. Covid is not a death sentence for the heathy. Those at risk can take precautions. I have the example before - if you have a life threatening peanut allergy and touching peanut residue can kill you….you don’t ask the world to stop consuming peanuts. You take precautions for yourself.
Using your example though, if a child has a peanut allergy then the entire classroom is prohibited from bringing any food into the classroom that contains peanuts, peanut oil or made in a factory where peanuts are used in any form. To protect THAT child with the allergy. So, we are protecting that child by "punishing" all of the healthy. But nobody is complaining about that. There isn't a being upheaval about that. In fact, those with peanut allergies are made to sit with other children in the cafeteria (at least in elementary school) that also have that allergy so there is no cross contamination. So other precautions are taken to protect that child from the peanut allergy. Wearing the mask isn't protecting the mask wearer, it is for the good of others around them. There are also other cultures who were wearing masks way before the pandemic started and have some of the most advanced children in the world. Masks stink but they aren't worth the big upheaval and kids for the most part adjust fine to almost anything. If the parents would stop complaining so much they probably wouldn't have an issue at all. Kids are creatures of their habitat.
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| Posted 9/22/21 6:27 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Masking and children
Posted by JennP
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by JennP
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by AliceCullen
Posted by MrsS2005
My youngest has been wearing a mask at daycare since she turned 3 due to the requirements in my state. They don’t wear them while eating or sleeping and within the past several months, we could give written permission for the kids to not have to wear them outside.
It has been over a year with wearing masks. I wasn’t thrilled about it at first, but most kids seem to adapt really easily. There was a transitional period as well to get the kids used to it. I think it also helped for them to see everyone else in masks. At the beginning, it was difficult to get her to keep it on even if we went places where masks were required. Once she got used to the mask, she began putting it on without any issue. She doesn’t complain about wearing it.
Unfortunately, we have had positive cases at daycare throughout the pandemic. I’m unaware of any transmission between kids at daycare though. After going months without a positive case, we have had a few in the last month in different age groups. My child is currently home due to being in direct contact with someone who tested positive at daycare. All of my kids have been in quarantine at some point due to exposure, but I was most nervous about this one because kids that young seem most likely to not wear their masks correctly. She’s past the quarantine period and has had a negative test and we’re just waiting for her daycare room to reopen. I don’t know if kids this young just have a lower viral load and are less likely to spread the virus, if the masks actually worked or it’s a combination of the two. Regardless, this past year, the masks have certainly cut down on all of the colds/viruses that usually go around.
I'm actually worried my 3 year old is going to get sick more often now that she'll be dropping her mask on the floor and putting it back on her face. And the teachers will constantly be touching her face to put her mask on. There will be a lot more touching of her face now.
It's so gross. They'll be sneezing into the masks and then wearing them like that all day, drooling in them (the little ones), touching them, swapping them with friends, having them all over the floor.
It's unsanitary and totally gross and someone who is aware of SCIENCE and perhaps a medical professional should step in and tell this assh0le governor of ours just how dangerous this is.
Speaking from my experience only, we are asked to have at least 1 extra mask in their backpack or cubby and there are always disposable masks on hand. There are certainly times when the masks can get gross, but the dirty ones are put in a bag and changed out.
DD hasn’t come home with a mask that isn’t hers and I’ve never seen her in someone else’s mask. Masked or not, toddlers, preschoolers, etc. can often be unsanitary and gross. They can wipe their noses on their hands and then touch common surfaces or toys, not wash their hands thoroughly, not cover their nose and/or mouth when they sneeze/cough, put things in their mouth that were on the floor, etc.
I understand the concerns and I wish we could be done with masks for good. However, since they’ll continue to be around for a while, I do think many young kids are more adaptable than older kids and adults.
Great. Fine. Fantastic. But all of this ignores statistics and “the science” that covid poses almost NO risk to children!
They only trust the science when it's convenient to them...disgusting.
That could certainly be said on both sides. People throw around stats, studies, stories, etc. that support their argument.
As far as COVID not posing much of a risk to children, that’s not the only consideration in enacting mask mandates. It’s certainly not perfect, but masks can protect others and reduce transmission. While children are likely to have mild cases and recover quickly, they may pass it to a classmate and then pass it to others who are at greater risk. With the contagiousness of the Delta variant, the increase in positive cases in children along with other groups has gone up dramatically over the past few months. Masks at least provide some protection to others.
The vaccine should be doing that for those at greater risk.
That's the point of it I thought.
You shouldn't have to mask a 2 year old to protect a higher risk adult when ca vaccines are widely available.
That argument held water prior to the development of the vaccine.
Right, but the same people complaining about the masks on two year olds are almost always the same people who rail against the vaccine.
This is the part that makes zero sense to me.
There are 676k Americans dead but some people just want to... let death run rampant?
I don't think people understand the significance of that number. It's more US casualties than from WW1, WW2, and Vietnam. COMBINED.
It's cruelty and insanity at this point.
Rail against one friggin part of this, fine, but the "just let it infect everyone because I am going to push back on everything the government tries to do" is bonkers.
Just stop.
I am the first to say that the ones at risk should be vaccinated.
And stop with the nonsense about rallying against the government. Me not wanting this vaccine has nothing to do with the government. That just sounds ignorant to keep beating that drum.
And if I don't want to be vaccinated, it should be on ME. ME. If I get sick and die, oh well right?
It shouldn't be your concern and it CERTAINLY shouldn't be on a 2 year old to protect me.
There's something called free will.
Now that the vaccine is widely available I'm sick of the whole- well YOU have to protect ME.
No.
Go protect yourself, you have a good option for that now, and leave me alone.
Sorry but it's been almost 2 years now and I'm getting sick and tired of the nonsense with no end game.
I don't have to stop anything.
I wouldn't rip out the word ignorant when you are saying "if I want to die, oh well?"
That is your answer? You have a family. You have a child.
You really didn't address what I said, anyway.
Just let this be and do nothing? Take no responsibility?
I've tried to be nice but it's like the Angels of Death just come on here multiple times of day and complain about every. single. aspect of this.
"I won't do this. I won't do that."
You (general you) don't live in a bubble! The death and disease you all like to exchange affects other people.
I'm just so disgusted.
You don't know a thing about me so don't presume to and don't speak of my child or family.
honestly don't even speak to me.
I'm so disgusted too. SO DISGUSTED and SO DONE with morally superior people like you.
Mind your own business.
Go mask your child, vaccinate them on their birthday the second they are allowed to get it and you're safe. Don't worry about me or anyone else.
Protect yourself and shut up already.
Me and many many others are done being lectured.
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| Posted 9/22/21 6:37 PM |
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