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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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I still don't understand the kind of magical thinking and absurd impatience that is going to cause people to push for something that, absent a game-changing event in the next few weeks, is so clearly going to lead to a massive disaster. There is no social distancing measure that is going to make it safe for tens, if not hundreds of thousands of young adults to descend on campuses to live, eat, study, socialize, etc. with one another in close quarters. Absent a game changer that makes the virus more contained or less deadly somehow, that is.
Talk about something that is going to keep cancer patients, pregnant women, and so many others from getting the resources that they need as the pandemic spreads.
I mean, I don't think remote learning is quite as good as in person learning, for many reasons. But if learning and progress toward degrees can be offered remotely, unlike a haircut or a visit to a gym, why wouldn't we continue to do do that until a game changer comes along and save innumerable people from what sounds like dry drowning and possible death?
This is starting to feel like the Emperor's New Clothes. People are in such denial.
Not that I want anything unsafe to occur but, I don't think we are at the point now where we can tell whether in person learning will be possible in the fall. I feel it's a bit premature to make this decision.
I'm not saying stop social distancing, I think we need to wait and see what happens as places start to reopen.
I 100% agree. If some game changing event occurs, they should, of course, open back up.
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Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
it's going to be a nightmare... i'm in the field. community colleges won't be able to handle the influx that might happen due to students changing their mind about going away to school or paying private school tuition. so much uncertainty for these kids.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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I still don't understand the kind of magical thinking and absurd impatience that is going to cause people to push for something that, absent a game-changing event in the next few weeks, is so clearly going to lead to a massive disaster. There is no social distancing measure that is going to make it safe for tens, if not hundreds of thousands of young adults to descend on campuses to live, eat, study, socialize, etc. with one another in close quarters. Absent a game changer that makes the virus more contained or less deadly somehow, that is.
Talk about something that is going to keep cancer patients, pregnant women, and so many others from getting the resources that they need as the pandemic spreads.
I mean, I don't think remote learning is quite as good as in person learning, for many reasons. But if learning and progress toward degrees can be offered remotely, unlike a haircut or a visit to a gym, why wouldn't we continue to do do that until a game changer comes along and save innumerable people from what sounds like dry drowning and possible death?
This is starting to feel like the Emperor's New Clothes. People are in such denial.
Not that I want anything unsafe to occur but, I don't think we are at the point now where we can tell whether in person learning will be possible in the fall. I feel it's a bit premature to make this decision.
I'm not saying stop social distancing, I think we need to wait and see what happens as places start to reopen.
I 100% agree. If some game changing event occurs, they should, of course, open back up.
So the virus isn’t going away, right? It might be around 2 years until we have a vaccine? So if the virus isn’t going away, then what? Do we suspend learning indefinitely? I would never pay 50, 75 k for “remote learning.” I guess I would just have my kid sit on the couch for two years. At some point don’t we have to just confront the risk, moderate our lifestyle, distance, and periodically quarantine as needed? Even the governor said at his last briefing that summer programs will be open because we can’t tell ppl living in an apartment that they have to stay inside with their three kids all summer (paraphrased). I was so grateful and relieved to hear this because I don’t understand the people who think we can live like this for 2 plus years or “until this is over,” which it isn’t going to be, for a long time, possibly never. I can only assume these ppl are snuggled nicely into big homes with lots of company and support, and oh yes, paychecks that continue to arrive. Ugh. I am so sick of the sanctimony. PP can’t understand the “impatience and magical thinking,” well, I can’t understand the unchecked privilege.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
Posted by Hopefulmama
Even the governor said at his last briefing that summer programs will be open because we can’t tell ppl living in an apartment that they have to stay inside with their three kids all summer (paraphrased). I was so grateful and relieved to hear this because I don’t understand the people who think we can live like this for 2 plus years or “until this is over,” which it isn’t going to be, for a long time, possibly never. I can only assume these ppl are snuggled nicely into big homes with lots of company and support, and oh yes, paychecks that continue to arrive. Ugh. I am so sick of the sanctimony. PP can’t understand the “impatience and magical thinking,” well, I can’t understand the unchecked privilege.
Seriously!!
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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Even the governor said at his last briefing that summer programs will be open because we can’t tell ppl living in an apartment that they have to stay inside with their three kids all summer (paraphrased). I was so grateful and relieved to hear this because I don’t understand the people who think we can live like this for 2 plus years or “until this is over,” which it isn’t going to be, for a long time, possibly never. I can only assume these ppl are snuggled nicely into big homes with lots of company and support, and oh yes, paychecks that continue to arrive. Ugh. I am so sick of the sanctimony. PP can’t understand the “impatience and magical thinking,” well, I can’t understand the unchecked privilege.
Seriously!!
I thought he just said that there will be summer activities but didn't elaborate - I take that to mean that some parks will be open, I am doubtful there will be camp programs and such. And I'm expecting him to close schools this week for the rest of the year.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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Posted by seaside
Posted by ali120206
Posted by seaside
I still don't understand the kind of magical thinking and absurd impatience that is going to cause people to push for something that, absent a game-changing event in the next few weeks, is so clearly going to lead to a massive disaster. There is no social distancing measure that is going to make it safe for tens, if not hundreds of thousands of young adults to descend on campuses to live, eat, study, socialize, etc. with one another in close quarters. Absent a game changer that makes the virus more contained or less deadly somehow, that is.
Talk about something that is going to keep cancer patients, pregnant women, and so many others from getting the resources that they need as the pandemic spreads.
I mean, I don't think remote learning is quite as good as in person learning, for many reasons. But if learning and progress toward degrees can be offered remotely, unlike a haircut or a visit to a gym, why wouldn't we continue to do do that until a game changer comes along and save innumerable people from what sounds like dry drowning and possible death?
This is starting to feel like the Emperor's New Clothes. People are in such denial.
Not that I want anything unsafe to occur but, I don't think we are at the point now where we can tell whether in person learning will be possible in the fall. I feel it's a bit premature to make this decision.
I'm not saying stop social distancing, I think we need to wait and see what happens as places start to reopen.
I 100% agree. If some game changing event occurs, they should, of course, open back up.
So the virus isn’t going away, right? It might be around 2 years until we have a vaccine? So if the virus isn’t going away, then what? Do we suspend learning indefinitely? I would never pay 50, 75 k for “remote learning.” I guess I would just have my kid sit on the couch for two years. At some point don’t we have to just confront the risk, moderate our lifestyle, distance, and periodically quarantine as needed? Even the governor said at his last briefing that summer programs will be open because we can’t tell ppl living in an apartment that they have to stay inside with their three kids all summer (paraphrased). I was so grateful and relieved to hear this because I don’t understand the people who think we can live like this for 2 plus years or “until this is over,” which it isn’t going to be, for a long time, possibly never. I can only assume these ppl are snuggled nicely into big homes with lots of company and support, and oh yes, paychecks that continue to arrive. Ugh. I am so sick of the sanctimony. PP can’t understand the “impatience and magical thinking,” well, I can’t understand the unchecked privilege.
If people want to stay hidden for 2 years or more- have at it.
The rest of the world will be slowly opening before that.
FYI- my 87 year old FIL who has a host of other health issues tested positive in his nursing home. He has now fully recovered. He didn't even need much medical intervention.
So it's not always the absolute death sentence that the doomsday sayers keep hanging on to.
Just wanted to share a positive story....
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
Posted by ali120206
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Posted by Hopefulmama
Even the governor said at his last briefing that summer programs will be open because we can’t tell ppl living in an apartment that they have to stay inside with their three kids all summer (paraphrased). I was so grateful and relieved to hear this because I don’t understand the people who think we can live like this for 2 plus years or “until this is over,” which it isn’t going to be, for a long time, possibly never. I can only assume these ppl are snuggled nicely into big homes with lots of company and support, and oh yes, paychecks that continue to arrive. Ugh. I am so sick of the sanctimony. PP can’t understand the “impatience and magical thinking,” well, I can’t understand the unchecked privilege.
Seriously!!
I thought he just said that there will be summer activities but didn't elaborate - I take that to mean that some parks will be open, I am doubtful there will be camp programs and such. And I'm expecting him to close schools this week for the rest of the year.
I was more applauding the last few comments with the unchecked privilege. I don’t trust Cuomo since he doesn’t really say much.
However, just like you can’t open the economy without schools the same would go for camps. Where are the kids at during the summer while the parents are at work? I think the smart thing would be to slowly open economy in summer and including camps. Not everyone uses camps so it won’t be as high of an enrollment like opening schools. I just want some type of strategy and not bullet points of ambiguous details.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
Posted by seaside
I still don't understand the kind of magical thinking and absurd impatience that is going to cause people to push for something that, absent a game-changing event in the next few weeks, is so clearly going to lead to a massive disaster. There is no social distancing measure that is going to make it safe for tens, if not hundreds of thousands of young adults to descend on campuses to live, eat, study, socialize, etc. with one another in close quarters. Absent a game changer that makes the virus more contained or less deadly somehow, that is.
Talk about something that is going to keep cancer patients, pregnant women, and so many others from getting the resources that they need as the pandemic spreads.
I mean, I don't think remote learning is quite as good as in person learning, for many reasons. But if learning and progress toward degrees can be offered remotely, unlike a haircut or a visit to a gym, why wouldn't we continue to do do that until a game changer comes along and save innumerable people from what sounds like dry drowning and possible death?
This is starting to feel like the Emperor's New Clothes. People are in such denial.
I'm glad that you don't have the issue of mental illness, poverty, and not getting a paycheck. Magical thinking is believing that we can remain like this for years. THAT is denial. You consistently come on here and play doomsday and make it sound like something with a 100% death rate is out there. It screams privilege, you can't look outside your own safe bubble. Covid is not the only thing that matters right now, no matter what you may think.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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Posted by ali120206
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Posted by Hopefulmama
Even the governor said at his last briefing that summer programs will be open because we can’t tell ppl living in an apartment that they have to stay inside with their three kids all summer (paraphrased). I was so grateful and relieved to hear this because I don’t understand the people who think we can live like this for 2 plus years or “until this is over,” which it isn’t going to be, for a long time, possibly never. I can only assume these ppl are snuggled nicely into big homes with lots of company and support, and oh yes, paychecks that continue to arrive. Ugh. I am so sick of the sanctimony. PP can’t understand the “impatience and magical thinking,” well, I can’t understand the unchecked privilege.
Seriously!!
I thought he just said that there will be summer activities but didn't elaborate - I take that to mean that some parks will be open, I am doubtful there will be camp programs and such. And I'm expecting him to close schools this week for the rest of the year.
I was more applauding the last few comments with the unchecked privilege. I don’t trust Cuomo since he doesn’t really say much.
However, just like you can’t open the economy without schools the same would go for camps. Where are the kids at during the summer while the parents are at work? I think the smart thing would be to slowly open economy in summer and including camps. Not everyone uses camps so it won’t be as high of an enrollment like opening schools. I just want some type of strategy and not bullet points of ambiguous details.
I didn’t say camps would be open - programs, activities, whatever he said was very vague, I am just grateful that he acknowledged the “sanity component” which seems to elude some ppl here. I personally hope to GOD schools open because my son has autism and cerebral palsy and NEEDS to go back to a full time care environment. I hope the smug, heroic isolators on here enjoy their next Zoom happy hour with the girls and Netflix and chill night with their SO. I’ll be trying to toilet train my 8 year old.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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Posted by ali120206
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Posted by Hopefulmama
Even the governor said at his last briefing that summer programs will be open because we can’t tell ppl living in an apartment that they have to stay inside with their three kids all summer (paraphrased). I was so grateful and relieved to hear this because I don’t understand the people who think we can live like this for 2 plus years or “until this is over,” which it isn’t going to be, for a long time, possibly never. I can only assume these ppl are snuggled nicely into big homes with lots of company and support, and oh yes, paychecks that continue to arrive. Ugh. I am so sick of the sanctimony. PP can’t understand the “impatience and magical thinking,” well, I can’t understand the unchecked privilege.
Seriously!!
I thought he just said that there will be summer activities but didn't elaborate - I take that to mean that some parks will be open, I am doubtful there will be camp programs and such. And I'm expecting him to close schools this week for the rest of the year.
I was more applauding the last few comments with the unchecked privilege. I don’t trust Cuomo since he doesn’t really say much.
However, just like you can’t open the economy without schools the same would go for camps. Where are the kids at during the summer while the parents are at work? I think the smart thing would be to slowly open economy in summer and including camps. Not everyone uses camps so it won’t be as high of an enrollment like opening schools. I just want some type of strategy and not bullet points of ambiguous details.
Sorry - was meaning more to quote the original poster.
I agree he's been ambiguous and would love to see camps reopen - not sure how I am going to work from home all summer with the kids - but, I don't think that was what he was committing to at that point. I think he was meaning people won't have to sit in their apts all summer, there will be things to do - but, I didn't view it as him committing to summer programs.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
Posted by Hopefulmama
Posted by Sash
Posted by ali120206
Posted by Sash
Posted by Hopefulmama
Even the governor said at his last briefing that summer programs will be open because we can’t tell ppl living in an apartment that they have to stay inside with their three kids all summer (paraphrased). I was so grateful and relieved to hear this because I don’t understand the people who think we can live like this for 2 plus years or “until this is over,” which it isn’t going to be, for a long time, possibly never. I can only assume these ppl are snuggled nicely into big homes with lots of company and support, and oh yes, paychecks that continue to arrive. Ugh. I am so sick of the sanctimony. PP can’t understand the “impatience and magical thinking,” well, I can’t understand the unchecked privilege.
Seriously!!
I thought he just said that there will be summer activities but didn't elaborate - I take that to mean that some parks will be open, I am doubtful there will be camp programs and such. And I'm expecting him to close schools this week for the rest of the year.
I was more applauding the last few comments with the unchecked privilege. I don’t trust Cuomo since he doesn’t really say much.
However, just like you can’t open the economy without schools the same would go for camps. Where are the kids at during the summer while the parents are at work? I think the smart thing would be to slowly open economy in summer and including camps. Not everyone uses camps so it won’t be as high of an enrollment like opening schools. I just want some type of strategy and not bullet points of ambiguous details.
I didn’t say camps would be open - programs, activities, whatever he said was very vague, I am just grateful that he acknowledged the “sanity component” which seems to elude some ppl here. I personally hope to GOD schools open because my son has autism and cerebral palsy and NEEDS to go back to a full time care environment. I hope the smug, heroic isolators on here enjoy their next Zoom happy hour with the girls and Netflix and chill night with the SO. I’ll be trying to toilet train my 8 year old.
I'm sorry you are going through this and I really hope things start to open up soon and your child can get the therapy and care he needs.
And that you can get some sense of sanity back in your life.
I know how hard it is... and I don't even have half of your struggles.
I have a one child who does her own school work pretty much, a home with a DH, a job that pays me to work from home (for now)
And I'm still getting close to the end of my mental rope. So I can't even imagine what you are feeling now.
I hear you.
100%
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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Posted by ali120206
Posted by Sash
Posted by Hopefulmama
Even the governor said at his last briefing that summer programs will be open because we can’t tell ppl living in an apartment that they have to stay inside with their three kids all summer (paraphrased). I was so grateful and relieved to hear this because I don’t understand the people who think we can live like this for 2 plus years or “until this is over,” which it isn’t going to be, for a long time, possibly never. I can only assume these ppl are snuggled nicely into big homes with lots of company and support, and oh yes, paychecks that continue to arrive. Ugh. I am so sick of the sanctimony. PP can’t understand the “impatience and magical thinking,” well, I can’t understand the unchecked privilege.
Seriously!!
I thought he just said that there will be summer activities but didn't elaborate - I take that to mean that some parks will be open, I am doubtful there will be camp programs and such. And I'm expecting him to close schools this week for the rest of the year.
I was more applauding the last few comments with the unchecked privilege. I don’t trust Cuomo since he doesn’t really say much.
However, just like you can’t open the economy without schools the same would go for camps. Where are the kids at during the summer while the parents are at work? I think the smart thing would be to slowly open economy in summer and including camps. Not everyone uses camps so it won’t be as high of an enrollment like opening schools. I just want some type of strategy and not bullet points of ambiguous details.
Sorry - was meaning more to quote the original poster.
I agree he's been ambiguous and would love to see camps reopen - not sure how I am going to work from home all summer with the kids - but, I don't think that was what he was committing to at that point. I think he was meaning people won't have to sit in their apts all summer, there will be things to d
o - but, I didn't view it as him committing to summer programs.
I did not say he said camps would be open. I used the word “programs” when the correct was “activities.” As I stated I was paraphrasing him.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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Posted by Hopefulmama
Posted by seaside
Posted by ali120206
Posted by seaside
I still don't understand the kind of magical thinking and absurd impatience that is going to cause people to push for something that, absent a game-changing event in the next few weeks, is so clearly going to lead to a massive disaster. There is no social distancing measure that is going to make it safe for tens, if not hundreds of thousands of young adults to descend on campuses to live, eat, study, socialize, etc. with one another in close quarters. Absent a game changer that makes the virus more contained or less deadly somehow, that is.
Talk about something that is going to keep cancer patients, pregnant women, and so many others from getting the resources that they need as the pandemic spreads.
I mean, I don't think remote learning is quite as good as in person learning, for many reasons. But if learning and progress toward degrees can be offered remotely, unlike a haircut or a visit to a gym, why wouldn't we continue to do do that until a game changer comes along and save innumerable people from what sounds like dry drowning and possible death?
This is starting to feel like the Emperor's New Clothes. People are in such denial.
Not that I want anything unsafe to occur but, I don't think we are at the point now where we can tell whether in person learning will be possible in the fall. I feel it's a bit premature to make this decision.
I'm not saying stop social distancing, I think we need to wait and see what happens as places start to reopen.
I 100% agree. If some game changing event occurs, they should, of course, open back up.
So the virus isn’t going away, right? It might be around 2 years until we have a vaccine? So if the virus isn’t going away, then what? Do we suspend learning indefinitely? I would never pay 50, 75 k for “remote learning.” I guess I would just have my kid sit on the couch for two years. At some point don’t we have to just confront the risk, moderate our lifestyle, distance, and periodically quarantine as needed? Even the governor said at his last briefing that summer programs will be open because we can’t tell ppl living in an apartment that they have to stay inside with their three kids all summer (paraphrased). I was so grateful and relieved to hear this because I don’t understand the people who think we can live like this for 2 plus years or “until this is over,” which it isn’t going to be, for a long time, possibly never. I can only assume these ppl are snuggled nicely into big homes with lots of company and support, and oh yes, paychecks that continue to arrive. Ugh. I am so sick of the sanctimony. PP can’t understand the “impatience and magical thinking,” well, I can’t understand the unchecked privilege.
If people want to stay hidden for 2 years or more- have at it.
The rest of the world will be slowly opening before that.
FYI- my 87 year old FIL who has a host of other health issues tested positive in his nursing home. He has now fully recovered. He didn't even need much medical intervention.
So it's not always the absolute death sentence that the doomsday sayers keep hanging on to.
Just wanted to share a positive story....
That’s great about your FIL, what a relief... it’s very nice to hear a happy story for a change. For some reason I feel like people (well the media mostly) are just BASKING in the negativity. Some good news, promising statistics come out and they’re hardly acknowledged. It’s like we WANT to perpetuate this! Or maybe I’m truly just losing my mind at this point, but this has been my perception lately.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Hopefulmama
Posted by seaside
Posted by ali120206
Posted by seaside
I still don't understand the kind of magical thinking and absurd impatience that is going to cause people to push for something that, absent a game-changing event in the next few weeks, is so clearly going to lead to a massive disaster. There is no social distancing measure that is going to make it safe for tens, if not hundreds of thousands of young adults to descend on campuses to live, eat, study, socialize, etc. with one another in close quarters. Absent a game changer that makes the virus more contained or less deadly somehow, that is.
Talk about something that is going to keep cancer patients, pregnant women, and so many others from getting the resources that they need as the pandemic spreads.
I mean, I don't think remote learning is quite as good as in person learning, for many reasons. But if learning and progress toward degrees can be offered remotely, unlike a haircut or a visit to a gym, why wouldn't we continue to do do that until a game changer comes along and save innumerable people from what sounds like dry drowning and possible death?
This is starting to feel like the Emperor's New Clothes. People are in such denial.
Not that I want anything unsafe to occur but, I don't think we are at the point now where we can tell whether in person learning will be possible in the fall. I feel it's a bit premature to make this decision.
I'm not saying stop social distancing, I think we need to wait and see what happens as places start to reopen.
I 100% agree. If some game changing event occurs, they should, of course, open back up.
So the virus isn’t going away, right? It might be around 2 years until we have a vaccine? So if the virus isn’t going away, then what? Do we suspend learning indefinitely? I would never pay 50, 75 k for “remote learning.” I guess I would just have my kid sit on the couch for two years. At some point don’t we have to just confront the risk, moderate our lifestyle, distance, and periodically quarantine as needed? Even the governor said at his last briefing that summer programs will be open because we can’t tell ppl living in an apartment that they have to stay inside with their three kids all summer (paraphrased). I was so grateful and relieved to hear this because I don’t understand the people who think we can live like this for 2 plus years or “until this is over,” which it isn’t going to be, for a long time, possibly never. I can only assume these ppl are snuggled nicely into big homes with lots of company and support, and oh yes, paychecks that continue to arrive. Ugh. I am so sick of the sanctimony. PP can’t understand the “impatience and magical thinking,” well, I can’t understand the unchecked privilege.
If people want to stay hidden for 2 years or more- have at it.
The rest of the world will be slowly opening before that.
FYI- my 87 year old FIL who has a host of other health issues tested positive in his nursing home. He has now fully recovered. He didn't even need much medical intervention.
So it's not always the absolute death sentence that the doomsday sayers keep hanging on to.
Just wanted to share a positive story....
That’s great about your FIL, what a relief... it’s very nice to hear a happy story for a change. For some reason I feel like people (well the media mostly) are just BASKING in the negativity. Some good news, promising statistics come out and they’re hardly acknowledged. It’s like we WANT to perpetuate this! Or maybe I’m truly just losing my mind at this point, but this has been my perception lately.
Nope you are right. Negativity and death sell.
Saying how many have recovered, or how many had it mild doesn't.
That is why I no longer watch any news. I can't deal with the constant negativity.
When the hospital ship came into NY it was all over the news- because in all honesty that was a scary sight to see.
It's leaving now- because we really didn't need it- which is great news! But you wont' see as much about that.
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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I still don't understand the kind of magical thinking and absurd impatience that is going to cause people to push for something that, absent a game-changing event in the next few weeks, is so clearly going to lead to a massive disaster. There is no social distancing measure that is going to make it safe for tens, if not hundreds of thousands of young adults to descend on campuses to live, eat, study, socialize, etc. with one another in close quarters. Absent a game changer that makes the virus more contained or less deadly somehow, that is.
Talk about something that is going to keep cancer patients, pregnant women, and so many others from getting the resources that they need as the pandemic spreads.
I mean, I don't think remote learning is quite as good as in person learning, for many reasons. But if learning and progress toward degrees can be offered remotely, unlike a haircut or a visit to a gym, why wouldn't we continue to do do that until a game changer comes along and save innumerable people from what sounds like dry drowning and possible death?
This is starting to feel like the Emperor's New Clothes. People are in such denial.
Not that I want anything unsafe to occur but, I don't think we are at the point now where we can tell whether in person learning will be possible in the fall. I feel it's a bit premature to make this decision.
I'm not saying stop social distancing, I think we need to wait and see what happens as places start to reopen.
I 100% agree. If some game changing event occurs, they should, of course, open back up.
So the virus isn’t going away, right? It might be around 2 years until we have a vaccine? So if the virus isn’t going away, then what? Do we suspend learning indefinitely? I would never pay 50, 75 k for “remote learning.” I guess I would just have my kid sit on the couch for two years. At some point don’t we have to just confront the risk, moderate our lifestyle, distance, and periodically quarantine as needed? Even the governor said at his last briefing that summer programs will be open because we can’t tell ppl living in an apartment that they have to stay inside with their three kids all summer (paraphrased). I was so grateful and relieved to hear this because I don’t understand the people who think we can live like this for 2 plus years or “until this is over,” which it isn’t going to be, for a long time, possibly never. I can only assume these ppl are snuggled nicely into big homes with lots of company and support, and oh yes, paychecks that continue to arrive. Ugh. I am so sick of the sanctimony. PP can’t understand the “impatience and magical thinking,” well, I can’t understand the unchecked privilege.
If people want to stay hidden for 2 years or more- have at it.
The rest of the world will be slowly opening before that.
FYI- my 87 year old FIL who has a host of other health issues tested positive in his nursing home. He has now fully recovered. He didn't even need much medical intervention.
So it's not always the absolute death sentence that the doomsday sayers keep hanging on to.
Just wanted to share a positive story....
That’s great about your FIL, what a relief... it’s very nice to hear a happy story for a change. For some reason I feel like people (well the media mostly) are just BASKING in the negativity. Some good news, promising statistics come out and they’re hardly acknowledged. It’s like we WANT to perpetuate this! Or maybe I’m truly just losing my mind at this point, but this has been my perception lately.
Nope you are right. Negativity and death sell.
Saying how many have recovered, or how many had it mild doesn't.
That is why I no longer watch any news. I can't deal with the constant negativity.
When the hospital ship came into NY it was all over the news- because in all honesty that was a scary sight to see.
It's leaving now- because we really didn't need it- which is great news! But you wont' see as much about that.
Even when it was suspected that the death rate was as low as 0.5%, Cuomo couldn't just say that was a possibility and it was a good thing. He had to say he doesn't think it's true. Maybe not, but maybe it is. I think he is worried that the more we reopen, the less we will need his daily briefings- which makes him feel oh so important. He thinks just like Giuliani was the hero of 9/11, he will be the hero of the Coronavirus. It's obnoxious.
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| Posted 4/27/20 11:01 AM |
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Sash
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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Even the governor said at his last briefing that summer programs will be open because we can’t tell ppl living in an apartment that they have to stay inside with their three kids all summer (paraphrased). I was so grateful and relieved to hear this because I don’t understand the people who think we can live like this for 2 plus years or “until this is over,” which it isn’t going to be, for a long time, possibly never. I can only assume these ppl are snuggled nicely into big homes with lots of company and support, and oh yes, paychecks that continue to arrive. Ugh. I am so sick of the sanctimony. PP can’t understand the “impatience and magical thinking,” well, I can’t understand the unchecked privilege.
Seriously!!
I thought he just said that there will be summer activities but didn't elaborate - I take that to mean that some parks will be open, I am doubtful there will be camp programs and such. And I'm expecting him to close schools this week for the rest of the year.
I was more applauding the last few comments with the unchecked privilege. I don’t trust Cuomo since he doesn’t really say much.
However, just like you can’t open the economy without schools the same would go for camps. Where are the kids at during the summer while the parents are at work? I think the smart thing would be to slowly open economy in summer and including camps. Not everyone uses camps so it won’t be as high of an enrollment like opening schools. I just want some type of strategy and not bullet points of ambiguous details.
Sorry - was meaning more to quote the original poster.
I agree he's been ambiguous and would love to see camps reopen - not sure how I am going to work from home all summer with the kids - but, I don't think that was what he was committing to at that point. I think he was meaning people won't have to sit in their apts all summer, there will be things to do - but, I didn't view it as him committing to summer programs.
Totally understand.
My second comment about the camps, was just kind of my extended opinion. I don’t know how you can slowly open the economy, whatever, that may mean without having proper childcare in place for parents who have to leave the house. Even if it is limited but I feel like there needs to be something.
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| Posted 4/27/20 11:04 AM |
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seaside
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
Yeah..the thing is...if I really had unchecked privilege and not principled views on what will be best for society (which civil people can dsagree with without resorting to personal attacks)...I'd just hide out in my comfy, safe house, watch the checks roll in...and watch as things "reopen," forcing people to go back to work beause the unemployment/safety net ends...and fail economically because the customers aren't there, and fail otherwise when they and their familes' health are threatened. And these people would be the test cases for all of the research and discoveries that could later benefit the "safe" people.
And when the second spike hit worse than the first, and critical care really was being rationed, I'd stay privileged throughout the fallout.
But I am just a regular person with ideas--capable of rational debate and discussion that doesn't need to resort to personal attacks. My posts don't typically reference my own situation--except to say things like that I am not a teacher, when I get attacked for being one or other defensive claims. They certainly don't attack anyone. That's a sign of a weak claim and character.
And my thoughts, while controversial to a few, actually advocate for everyone to feel protected and as safe as possible for as long as possible instead of the above scenario.
You know, some actually think it's a grand dispay of privilege to demand your "freedom" to buy nonessential goods and services at a time like this from people who have to put their lives at risk to get a paycheck because the unemployment ended after a few weeks because everyone grew fatigued from dealing with a very scary reality.
We will, eventually get this situation under better control, but that hasn't happened yet. I didn't create the reality--I just see it. Cheers to civility!
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Sash
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by shadows
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Hopefulmama
Posted by seaside
Posted by ali120206
Posted by seaside
I still don't understand the kind of magical thinking and absurd impatience that is going to cause people to push for something that, absent a game-changing event in the next few weeks, is so clearly going to lead to a massive disaster. There is no social distancing measure that is going to make it safe for tens, if not hundreds of thousands of young adults to descend on campuses to live, eat, study, socialize, etc. with one another in close quarters. Absent a game changer that makes the virus more contained or less deadly somehow, that is.
Talk about something that is going to keep cancer patients, pregnant women, and so many others from getting the resources that they need as the pandemic spreads.
I mean, I don't think remote learning is quite as good as in person learning, for many reasons. But if learning and progress toward degrees can be offered remotely, unlike a haircut or a visit to a gym, why wouldn't we continue to do do that until a game changer comes along and save innumerable people from what sounds like dry drowning and possible death?
This is starting to feel like the Emperor's New Clothes. People are in such denial.
Not that I want anything unsafe to occur but, I don't think we are at the point now where we can tell whether in person learning will be possible in the fall. I feel it's a bit premature to make this decision.
I'm not saying stop social distancing, I think we need to wait and see what happens as places start to reopen.
I 100% agree. If some game changing event occurs, they should, of course, open back up.
So the virus isn’t going away, right? It might be around 2 years until we have a vaccine? So if the virus isn’t going away, then what? Do we suspend learning indefinitely? I would never pay 50, 75 k for “remote learning.” I guess I would just have my kid sit on the couch for two years. At some point don’t we have to just confront the risk, moderate our lifestyle, distance, and periodically quarantine as needed? Even the governor said at his last briefing that summer programs will be open because we can’t tell ppl living in an apartment that they have to stay inside with their three kids all summer (paraphrased). I was so grateful and relieved to hear this because I don’t understand the people who think we can live like this for 2 plus years or “until this is over,” which it isn’t going to be, for a long time, possibly never. I can only assume these ppl are snuggled nicely into big homes with lots of company and support, and oh yes, paychecks that continue to arrive. Ugh. I am so sick of the sanctimony. PP can’t understand the “impatience and magical thinking,” well, I can’t understand the unchecked privilege.
If people want to stay hidden for 2 years or more- have at it.
The rest of the world will be slowly opening before that.
FYI- my 87 year old FIL who has a host of other health issues tested positive in his nursing home. He has now fully recovered. He didn't even need much medical intervention.
So it's not always the absolute death sentence that the doomsday sayers keep hanging on to.
Just wanted to share a positive story....
That’s great about your FIL, what a relief... it’s very nice to hear a happy story for a change. For some reason I feel like people (well the media mostly) are just BASKING in the negativity. Some good news, promising statistics come out and they’re hardly acknowledged. It’s like we WANT to perpetuate this! Or maybe I’m truly just losing my mind at this point, but this has been my perception lately.
Nope you are right. Negativity and death sell.
Saying how many have recovered, or how many had it mild doesn't.
That is why I no longer watch any news. I can't deal with the constant negativity.
When the hospital ship came into NY it was all over the news- because in all honesty that was a scary sight to see.
It's leaving now- because we really didn't need it- which is great news! But you wont' see as much about that.
Agree, thanks for sharing the story.
Also two of my husbands employees were tested positive. He was working with them closely. This was before the Mask mandates as well. They were both over 40. One was a little more sick than the other but they both survived. My DH didn’t get sick and neither has my son or I.
He also worked to set up the hospital in Stonybrook and hasn’t gotten sick. People think if you step into NYC you will get it and die. I got so many calls/text telling me not let my husband go help. It was a little disturbing.
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| Posted 4/27/20 11:10 AM |
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Naturalmama
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
Posted by seaside
Yeah..the thing is...if I really had unchecked privilege and not principled views on what will be best for society (which civil people can dsagree with without resorting to personal attacks)...I'd just hide out in my comfy, safe house, watch the checks roll in...and watch as things "reopen," forcing people to go back to work beause the unemployment/safety net ends...and fail economically because the customers aren't there, and fail otherwise when they and their familes' health are threatened. And these people would be the test cases for all of the research and discoveries that could later benefit the "safe" people.
And when the second spike hit worse than the first, and critical care really was being rationed, I'd stay privileged throughout the fallout.
But I am just a regular person with ideas--capable of rational debate and discussion that doesn't need to resort to personal attacks. My posts don't typically reference my own situation--except to say things like that I am not a teacher, when I get attacked for being one or other defensive claims. They certainly don't attack anyone. That's a sign of a weak claim and character.
And my thoughts, while controversial to a few, actually advocate for everyone to feel protected and as safe as possible for as long as possible instead of the above scenario.
You know, some actually think it's a grand dispay of privilege to demand your "freedom" to buy nonessential goods and services at a time like this from people who have to put their lives at risk to get a paycheck because the unemployment ended after a few weeks because everyone grew fatigued from dealing with a very scary reality.
We will, eventually get this situation under better control, but that hasn't happened yet. I didn't create the reality--I just see it. Cheers to civility!
I think the what made many upset is that you fail to see the other side. Staying like this for years will not help everyone feel as safe and protected as possible. You claim people who are literally on the verge of homelessness and unable to feed their families as people who are just fatigued by the inconvenience of having to stay home. It runs SO much deeper than that, and it doesn't seem like you can see anything past keeping people save from Covid. That can't be the only thing we care about until we MAYBE get a vaccine in two years. This is not all or nothing- and I think people are frustrated that some fail to see that.
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| Posted 4/27/20 11:16 AM |
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Naturalmama
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Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
My grandmother had it, 93 years old. We believe she got it from her home health aid taking public transportation to and from her house. She is now 100% fine, never needed to visit a hospital. My cousin, her ex husband, and their 6 yr old had it. We believe her ex-DH got it first, he works in a D75 DOE school that had several confirmed cases, then passed it to their son during his weekend visit, and the son brought it home to his mother. They are all fine. One of my students father's had it. Fine.
Doesn't make the deaths anymore heartbreaking. But positive stories will hopefully show people that for every 1 death, 5 others are fine. That a vast majority of people recover. This is not Ebola, with a 50% mortality rate.
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| Posted 4/27/20 11:21 AM |
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
Posted by seaside
Yeah..the thing is...if I really had unchecked privilege and not principled views on what will be best for society (which civil people can dsagree with without resorting to personal attacks)...I'd just hide out in my comfy, safe house, watch the checks roll in...and watch as things "reopen," forcing people to go back to work beause the unemployment/safety net ends...and fail economically because the customers aren't there, and fail otherwise when they and their familes' health are threatened. And these people would be the test cases for all of the research and discoveries that could later benefit the "safe" people.
And when the second spike hit worse than the first, and critical care really was being rationed, I'd stay privileged throughout the fallout.
But I am just a regular person with ideas--capable of rational debate and discussion that doesn't need to resort to personal attacks. My posts don't typically reference my own situation--except to say things like that I am not a teacher, when I get attacked for being one or other defensive claims. They certainly don't attack anyone. That's a sign of a weak claim and character.
And my thoughts, while controversial to a few, actually advocate for everyone to feel protected and as safe as possible for as long as possible instead of the above scenario.
You know, some actually think it's a grand dispay of privilege to demand your "freedom" to buy nonessential goods and services at a time like this from people who have to put their lives at risk to get a paycheck because the unemployment ended after a few weeks because everyone grew fatigued from dealing with a very scary reality.
We will, eventually get this situation under better control, but that hasn't happened yet. I didn't create the reality--I just see it. Cheers to civility!
You need to calm down. The PP, who called you privileged, was not asking for anything nonessential. She was asking for support services for her special needs child. How is that privileged?
The reason that people are getting so snarky with you is that you seem to be 100 percent convinced that the only way that this can go is to have people self quarantine for the next 2 years. That is just not a possibility for many people. If you want people to see your side of the argument, then you need to take a second and try and walk a mile in someone else's shoes.
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| Posted 4/27/20 11:41 AM |
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
Posted by busymomonli
Additionally, some kids may lose scholarships without consecutive full time attendance.
Yes, this is another big issue. We were hashing all the possible scenarios out over the weekend. She has grants and scholarships she would lose. But now her advisor is telling her that if it is distant learning, she should defer for a year. It's so annoying. It's already a 5 year program. Now she will be pushing everything back another year. And what the heck is she going to do for a year at home? IDK what the answer is but it's a real conundrum.
I heard on the news this morning that they are actually considering using campuses as essentially guinea pigs to test out the spread in lower risk areas. Because there is a lowered risk to that age bracket and campuses are a city unto themselves, there is a theory that this could be a good way to test the waters. I guess we shall see.
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| Posted 4/27/20 11:58 AM |
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Pomegranate5
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
Posted by seaside
And my thoughts, while controversial to a few, actually advocate for everyone to feel protected and as safe as possible for as long as possible instead of the above scenario.
Actually they don't, and that's what people are trying to say. Your views are intended to protect a specific population of people who can live relatively comfortably under these conditions. They are absolutely NOT for the benefit of everyone.
You, and many others, fail to recognize the large and growing population of people who are suffering so much worse because of these restrictions (the majority of which are not and never were at risk of dying from COVID). These people are not safer or more protected right now.
So you have two categories of people, and everyone has decided that the lives of the first category are more important than the second. Sounds like privilege to me.
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| Posted 4/27/20 12:18 PM |
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
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Even the governor said at his last briefing that summer programs will be open because we can’t tell ppl living in an apartment that they have to stay inside with their three kids all summer (paraphrased). I was so grateful and relieved to hear this because I don’t understand the people who think we can live like this for 2 plus years or “until this is over,” which it isn’t going to be, for a long time, possibly never. I can only assume these ppl are snuggled nicely into big homes with lots of company and support, and oh yes, paychecks that continue to arrive. Ugh. I am so sick of the sanctimony. PP can’t understand the “impatience and magical thinking,” well, I can’t understand the unchecked privilege.
Seriously!!
This....all of this! People can't seriously expect people to live like this for 18 months or longer...I don't understand how anyone can expect entire countries to do that??
BTW: I'm a CUNY student and I registered for the fall semester. Two of my classes are in person so I do think colleges will be open for the Fall.
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| Posted 4/27/20 5:32 PM |
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ChilisWife
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Re: Is it true colleges that colleges already decided they are remote learning for the fall????
Did anyone else watch yesterday when the reporter asked Cuomo about if colleges (particularly SUNY) would be able to open in September? He basically said he did not know and to ask him about it then (I guess meaning ask IN September) !?!?
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